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Message from SamFirmware I got from Twitter after asking when well see froyo...
Sorry if its in wrong forum.
"SamFirmware: @thunderlight868 America will be later. Samsung want first his 2.2 for Europe - Asia - Africa.I think update for America December / January"
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samfirmware is not an official channel, right?
Samfirmware is NOT Samsung. Not to mention they said they think (so it's just a guess) December or January. There is no proof here. Anyone's guess is as good as this one.
Actually.. I Think It Makes Sense...
The End Of The JI6 Firmware Is Oct. 31st Right?
Give It 2 Weeks To Deal With Customers...
And We Should Get It Within 3rd Week Of Nov. Through 2nd Week Of December
yeah and this is why I'm trading the vibrant for a g2.
Samsung’s full press release is as follows:
Samsung GALAXY S Offers New Android 2.2 Upgrade
New platform upgrade provides enhanced experience on the go
SEOUL, Korea – October 18, 2010 – Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd., a leading mobile phone provider, today announced the Android™ 2.2 (Froyo) upgrade to the Samsung GALAXY S, giving users access to new features, enhanced navigation applications and improved performance.
The Android 2.2 upgrade will be available via Kies, Samsung’s unique in-house software upgrade program. Kies can be downloaded at the Samsung mobile website (http://www.samsungmobile.com).
The GALAXY S is Samsung’s cleverly designed smartphone with a bright 4-inch SUPER AMOLED screen and a 1 GHz application processor, giving users an intelligent, immersive and integrated mobile experience. The Android 2.2 upgrade offers voice-controlled GPS through Google MapsTM with Navigation, faster performance by JIT(Just in Time) compiler. Additionally, further functionalities including Search in-browser, Adobe® Flash® Player 10.1, improved customization options will be provided with OS upgrade.
- Google MapsTM with Navigation: GPS navigation system with voice guidance
- Adobe® Flash® Player 10.1: Allow the web browser to make full use of the whole web
- Setup Wizard: Quickly customize the GALAXY S and access networks with ease
- Home Screen/Menu Preview and Edit : Preview by pinch-zoom
- Search in-Browser : Google™, Translate, Wikipedia, Dictionary
The Android 2.2 upgrade will be available from the mid of October 2010 in the Nordic region and gradually rolled out to other European markets, Southeast Asia, the Middle East Asia, North America, Africa and rest of the world.
From the samsungmobileus Twitter in reply to a question about Froyo on Vibrant:
@Dirksmoothe we are working on Android 2.2 for the current Galaxy S phones. It will be available this year.
They will probably deliver on that date, although it might be a situation like December 31st is when the first OTA's roll out, with everyone else getting the update by January 31st. But that's good enough for us because it will be on XDA before too long after the first OTA's rolled out.
Moved to General as not development
I want froyo as much as the next guy but honestly I can wait patiently. This phone runs flawlessly as is. The only real benefit would be a couple apps, flash which will be nice but I probably won't use very often. Not to mention the performance increase but I'm completely content with where I'm at now.
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From the Samsung press release:
The Android 2.2 upgrade will be available from the mid of October 2010 in the Nordic region and gradually rolled out to other European markets, Southeast Asia, the Middle East Asia, North America, Africa and rest of the world.
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Be aware that even for "North America," Samsung may be referring to the variants of the international I9000 that are sold in Canada. That is still close to the "Galaxy S" phones sold in Europe, and not so close to the U.S. carriers' modified phones.
The U.S. carriers have a lot of their own notions about their branded products. Both the hardware and firmware of the AT&T Captivate and T-Mobile Sprint are different from the Samsung I9000 reference model in at least some ways. (The Verizon Fascinate and Sprint Epic 4G are even further away in design, with their CDMA radios and differerent chipsets, including the GPS chip.)
In summary, all "Galaxy S" phones are not the same. There is much misleading information floating around about the international Galaxy S platform, from which naive observers erroneously generalize and derive predictions about the U.S. market.
stepinmyworld said:
yeah and this is why I'm trading the vibrant for a g2.
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Because you're horribly impatient or because you think there will be less dumbassery in the G2 forums?
stepinmyworld said:
yeah and this is why I'm trading the vibrant for a g2.
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What do you think will happen first, Froyo on the Vibrant, or a real root for the G2? Frankly, I don't know why you'd want to swap when there are already great ROMs out for the Vibrant and it's about to get much much better. G2 development is pretty stagnant right now while they wait for a permanent root solution.
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What do you think will happen first, Froyo on the Vibrant, or a real root for the G2? Frankly, I don't know why you'd want to swap when there are already great ROMs out for the Vibrant and it's about to get much much better. G2 development is pretty stagnant right now while they wait for a permanent root solution.
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Unless some genius decides to fry the chip that prevents root with a soldering iron to deactivate it, my vote is on the vibrant getting froyo.
Who cares about Froyo release??? It will come to your phone via OTA at some point, and there will be a plethora posts "OTA bricked my phone" - once you go custom, you would never look at the OTA/stock. There might be a bit of a delay getting a custom ROM after the OTA started rolling out, but the quality of work put into the custom ROM's by the devs here - do not forget to donate to keep the development fluent - exceeds OTA by several miles.
For all I care, my phone runs as smooth as butter now on a custom Eclair ROM, I don't think Froyo will be a great improvement, stock OTA Froyo that is.
P.S. Go ahead get that G2, and join the army of loosen hinges and constant reboots whenever your coverage degrades.
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Who cares about Froyo release??? It will come to your phone via OTA at some point, and there will be a plethora posts "OTA bricked my phone" - once you go custom, you would never look at the OTA/stock. There might be a bit of a delay getting a custom ROM after the OTA started rolling out, but the quality of work put into the custom ROM's by the devs here - do not forget to donate to keep the development fluent - exceeds OTA by several miles.
For all I care, my phone runs as smooth as butter now on a custom Eclair ROM, I don't think Froyo will be a great improvement, stock OTA Froyo that is.
P.S. Go ahead get that G2, and join the army of loosen hinges and constant reboots whenever your coverage degrades.
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Yep, what he said.
+ 2 no froyo till 2012 oh wait thats the end of the world
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dezvous said:
I want froyo as much as the next guy but honestly I can wait patiently. This phone runs flawlessly as is. The only real benefit would be a couple apps, flash which will be nice but I probably won't use very often. Not to mention the performance increase but I'm completely content with where I'm at now.
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This phone doesn't run flawlessly. Try hard to delude yourself, but even looking at it from the perspective of "it's an opinion," it sounds silly at best.
While FroYo may not have features that you crave, it does for many other users. Many of those features actually will help the phone approach "flawlessness," which it has continuously failed (quite convincingly) to achieve thus far.
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What do you think will happen first, Froyo on the Vibrant, or a real root for the G2? Frankly, I don't know why you'd want to swap when there are already great ROMs out for the Vibrant and it's about to get much much better. G2 development is pretty stagnant right now while they wait for a permanent root solution.
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Everyone doesn't root their phones.
Everyone doesn't come here to find out how to hack their phones, either (in b4 "TH3N WHY R U N XDA F0RUMZ?!?!!1?").
lqaddict said:
Who cares about Froyo release??? It will come to your phone via OTA at some point, and there will be a plethora posts "OTA bricked my phone" - once you go custom, you would never look at the OTA/stock. There might be a bit of a delay getting a custom ROM after the OTA started rolling out, but the quality of work put into the custom ROM's by the devs here - do not forget to donate to keep the development fluent - exceeds OTA by several miles.
For all I care, my phone runs as smooth as butter now on a custom Eclair ROM, I don't think Froyo will be a great improvement, stock OTA Froyo that is.
P.S. Go ahead get that G2, and join the army of loosen hinges and constant reboots whenever your coverage degrades.
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+5 Oh yeah... I second that motion.
N8ter said:
This phone doesn't run flawlessly. Try hard to delude yourself, but even looking at it from the perspective of "it's an opinion," it sounds silly at best.
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What do I gain out of deluding myself? I have literally never been upset, frustrated, or anything less than completely satisfied with the performance of this phone. Judging by what I see around here, your mileage may vary but I cannot comment on that and you most certainly cannot comment on my experience.
Let's just say this, if your Vibrant is performing slower than mine then I could understand, but if your Vibrant and mine actually do perform the same then I am unsure of what you are in search of.
http://www.samfirmware.com/apps/blog/show/5196562-samsung-starts-froyo-updates-
Check out this thread for FROYO by SamFirmWare
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Samsung Starts with Froyo updates next week.
They start with Europe.
After Europe the will go to Asia and Africa.
Every Galaxy S user could update his device with Samsung Kies.
Or with our way. (ODIN)
The firmwares will be XWJPA or XXJPO. (For Europe)
Both firmwares leaked on our website already.
So if you want you could download them and update your mobile!
Good Luck!
Remember after this Release Samsung keep supporting your device!
So please check weekly Samsung Kies or our website!
Why we think this are the KIES releases?
When you checked all newsmessages you find out that Samsung removed JPM from his servers.
A couple of days ago SamsungMobileUK place on his facebook and twitter that they start in begin November till the end of November for all operators.
When we check now the new Firmware versions it could be the new KIES releases. For Europe and Scandinavian.
Every Galaxy S phone will have Android 2.2 before 2011!
We have currently no information for the Samsung I5800 and I5500.
But JPA has many bugs... This is the famous new and fast FW?
I wonder how many will sell their devices if this is true?
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But JPA has many bugs... This is the famous new and fast FW?
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This has been said over a billion times, no software will be w/o bugs. Even HTC devices are pretty buggy.. Probably the one with the least bugs is the Nexus 1.
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I wonder how many will sell their devices if this is true?
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I know I won't.
I love the phone and I am on 2.1.
I can't see what's the big deal with froyo. None of the features it brings are groundbreaking (maybe with the exception of flash 10).
I don't think I would upgrade anyway...
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I know I won't.
I love the phone and I am on 2.1.
I can't see what's the big deal with froyo. None of the features it brings are groundbreaking (maybe with the exception of flash 10).
I don't think I would upgrade anyway...
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Alot of new apps need 2.2. eg new Gmail app, Youtube app, Skype only seems to work on 2.2 with SGS, to name a few.
Nammmmmmmmmmm
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Alot of new apps need 2.2. eg new Gmail app, Youtube app, Skype only seems to work on 2.2 with SGS, to name a few.
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That's nice, but I don't think any of these updates are "must have" for me. The changes on the gmail app are not essential for me. I don't use youtube that much and when I use it I find it good enough and the skype implementation is not bringing video calls, so I don't want it.
If and when something amazing comes to 2.2 that I definitely must have, I may upgrade. Until then I would rather see bug fixes than new features as the phone already does a lot!
running jp6 with a modded kernel (341 megs by hardcore!), and its extremely quick and stable! i totally love my sgs the way it is now and have very few things to whine about
i just want samsung to commit on gingerbread for our devices
So, that "fast" FW samfirmware was talking about is going to be just a firmware with less lags than in pulled scandinavian official Froyo? That sucks, because my phone feels laggy (black screens) even on JM9 with Voodoo. And lagfix is the ONLY thing that i need from new FWs.
At least we will have official Froyo.... be happy!
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At least we will have official Froyo.... be happy!
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I'm sorry but it's not cool. Samsung seems to have this strange policy to release high-end devices and not provide proper support for them.
Right now I'm using JPK with OCLF and Launcher Pro Plus and I'm happy with my phone. But both OCLF and Launcher Pro are third party apps.
There are tons of lagfix solutions and custom ROMs that are better than the stock ones.
Customizing your device must be a choice and not a necessity so you can get decent performance on a top-notch hardware.
And I keep getting the feeling that they leak ROMs intentionally and use XDA users as guinea pigs. And are using devs to fix the issues...
Sorry that my first post ever in this forum is so negative but I'm getting really mad and impatient with Samsung...
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I wonder how many will sell their devices if this is true?
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after 3 months of waiting i finally decided to sell my loved SGS.
its a good phone, but a buggy one, in my opinion a bit to buggy.
I hope for u all there will be at least this "fast" new ROM out there soon.
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I'm sorry but it's not cool. Samsung seems to have this strange policy to release high-end devices and not provide proper support for them.
Right now I'm using JPK with OCLF and Launcher Pro Plus and I'm happy with my phone. But both OCLF and Launcher Pro are third party apps.
There are tons of lagfix solutions and custom ROMs that are better than the stock ones.
Customizing your device must be a choice and not a necessity so you can get decent performance on a top-notch hardware.
And I keep getting the feeling that they leak ROMs intentionally and use XDA users as guinea pigs. And are using devs to fix the issues...
Sorry that my first post ever in this forum is so negative but I'm getting really mad and impatient with Samsung...
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Yeah, the lagfixes are great, except when they corrupt your IMEI and cause other issues. You do get decent performance without them. The lag patches haven't been flawless either... And yes, despite the crap samsung gets, I used an iPhone 4 the other day, and it was taking MUCH longer to respond to minor things (despite the fact iphones use compiled code, so they should be even more responsive).
In regards to samfirmware, forget about the rumor sites, most of them have been consistently wrong, and haven't been using credible sources.
@Sociopathic: I have a friend with HTC Desire and Froyo for 4 months I guess and he's not happy... he feels that the Froyo update for his phone is not properly made.
My guess is Samsung was not prepared for Andorid's rise. Not even Google. So, we have to be pacient. Good things will come with Android. Samsung is moving slow because is a huge company with a lot of people to decide what and when goes online, each one pushing his interests. Someone wants Froyo so contain this, other that and so on...
Tolisan decided to sell his Galaxy S. He cut the **** and moved on.
Enjoy your Galaxy S or buy something else. I'm happy with mine! Best phone I ever had!
*yawn*
i'm more excited with the post about samsung's intention to make better pc software then kies
Why you complain everytime about bugs?
I use my phone often, and most of all "bugs" are PEBTAC.
(Problem exists between Touchscreen and chair).
But I'm wondering about the not optimized JIT.
Is it so difficult for Samsung to unleash the performance of the 1337 CPU?
And it's strange that they canceled JPM and made just minor changes.
That's what disappointed me
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Why you complain everytime about bugs?
I use my phone often, and most of all "bugs" are PEBTAC.
(Problem exists between Touchscreen and chair).
But I'm wondering about the not optimized JIT.
Is it so difficult for Samsung to unleash the performance of the 1337 CPU?
And it's strange that they canceled JPM and made just minor changes.
That's what disappointed me
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JPM was possibly only a release candidate in the first place. And we don't know exactly what was fixed anyway. There may have been some less-common major bugs fixed.
In regards to optimising JIT, our JIT might be optimised, but might simply not be optimised for the benchmarks. Remember, most CPU benchmarks only test a small number of instructions.
Just updated through Kies the official way (no registry patch or anything)
I haven't experienced any lag in the past one hour of use. And it feels definitely faster and more lightweight than JPO+voodoo5.01.
Did Samsung change the file system in JPY? Anyway, I am very happy with this firmware
Oh, Merry Christmas, everyone!
qiu said:
Just updated through Kies the official way (no registry patch or anything)
I haven't experienced any lag in the past one hour of use. And it feels definitely faster and more lightweight than JPO+voodoo5.01.
Did Samsung change the file system in JPY? Anyway, I am very happy with this firmware
Oh, Merry Christmas, everyone!
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Still rfs. Had jpy for week or so no lagfix still runs smooth.
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Still rfs. Had jpy for week or so no lagfix still runs smooth.
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is this faster than jpx? i have uprgraded from jpo. i however downloaded jpy and jpx but i am satisfied so far with jpx.
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is this faster than jpx? i have uprgraded from jpo. i however downloaded jpy and jpx but i am satisfied so far with jpx.
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+1. I'm much happy with JPX. Is it worth to upgrade to JPY or wait for a gingerbread firmware (hope they don't release furthermore firmwares in froyo )
qiu said:
Just updated through Kies the official way (no registry patch or anything)
I haven't experienced any lag in the past one hour of use. And it feels definitely faster and more lightweight than JPO+voodoo5.01.
Did Samsung change the file system in JPY? Anyway, I am very happy with this firmware
Oh, Merry Christmas, everyone!
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what pcode is your phone? XEU?
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+1. I'm much happy with JPX. Is it worth to upgrade to JPY or wait for a gingerbread firmware (hope they don't release furthermore firmwares in froyo )
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I really don't know why many people implies that stopping development of Froyo ROMs altogether, will guarantee a better or earlier Gingerbread build.
It makes no sense.
If there is a bug (and we've seen plenty of them in this 6 months) in Samsung version of Android Framework, or in Samsung's add-ons, drivers and own binaries, the chances that still will be in Gingerbread are very very high.
And tracking down, hunting, debugging and solving a bug is much easier on a relatively stable environment that in a entirely new (or much newer) build like the 1st Gingerbread Firmware.
Gingerbread will benefit from almost every bug found and solved in Samsung's Froyos.
I updatet before few days via KIES (reg-hack) to XXJPY and its still working very fast! only problem is the internet browser. its slower then on the XXJPX firmware.
Updated to JPY a few days ago using the kies patch. Phone seems faster and snappier than before.
Noticed apps which are already installed are arranged alphabetically...apps installed after update will be added at the end.
Got 1210 on quadrant with this stock firmware. Tested the GPS yesterday going from nottingham to birmingham using copilot 8.2. Still sucks. Lost GPS fix 6-7 times on a 55min journey.
Shortest losses were around 4-5 mins and the longest outage was around 15-20 mins.
Browser still shows squares when pinching to zoom.
Overall its a better experience than before but i need a solid fully functional GPS. May just have to keep returning the phone to orange UK until they get fed up and offer a different handset (make/model) as a replacement.
Shame though, i like this phone
SamFirmware SamFirmware
Samsung Galaxy S and Samsug Galaxy Tab gets Gingerbread. (No info about other devices.)
It's possible.... especially with no timeframe, it is very possible. If you, hmm, catch my drift.
yea if we live in a magical land filled with roads of chocolate and gumdrops......
And where a Samsung-branded magical dragon delivers the updates to your phone personally, and when Samsung misses a deadline the dragon cries.... and his tears turn into Jellybeans! And those Jelly beans cure cancer.... err, I think I've gone a bit too far.
i'm guessing that samsung is going to release both 2.2 and 2.3 at the same time. everyone will have to listen to KSAM radio to get the update....
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SamFirmware SamFirmware
Samsung Galaxy S and Samsug Galaxy Tab gets Gingerbread. (No info about other devices.)
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this sounds very plausible because the tab is just an oversize galaxy S, and the new phone they're releasing for ATT looks just like the vibrant. If those two devices gets gingerbread, it wouldn't be long until someone port it or samsung actually releasing it for the vibrant too. Just have to wait and see. This would be better than getting 2.2.
well me i would be more inclined to believe that one of the devs like team whiskey, eugene will have gingerbread before samsung or tmo delivers on all their broken promises.
Frankly I do not care at all, I see Froyo as a HTC upgrade, one that every HTC phone needs and should have. It really woke the hell out of my HTC Android phones up!
Now with the Vibrant? NONE of the leaks have made my phone any faster, in fact the last 2.1 I used was a lot more stable than the best 2.2 rom I have used so far (and I have used quite a few of them). The only advantage I have seen is much better GPS locks and faster internet speeds with the JL series modem files (outside only, worse than the 2.1 modems inside a building) and much better reception overall than the 2.1 modems.
So IMO Froyo update will only be a modem/gps/reception update, no real speed or any other advantage here.
Now gingerbread will be to us what Froyo is to the HTC devices, if we will get it at all that is
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Frankly I do not care at all, I see Froyo as a HTC upgrade, one that every HTC phone needs and should have. It really woke the hell out of my HTC Android phones up!
Now with the Vibrant? NONE of the leaks have made my phone any faster, in fact the last 2.1 I used was a lot more stable than the best 2.2 rom I have used so far (and I have used quite a few of them). The only advantage I have seen is much better GPS locks and faster internet speeds with the JL series modem files (outside only, worse than the 2.1 modems inside a building) and much better reception overall than the 2.1 modems.
So IMO Froyo update will only be a modem/gps/reception update, no real speed or any other advantage here.
Now gingerbread will be to us what Froyo is to the HTC devices, if we will get it at all that is
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It is definitely possible that official 2.2.1 Froyo is optimized for the hummingbird (i also heard that it may have a newer file system), thus giving the SGS the same boosts as snapdragon devices... wishful thinking of course...
so possibly they will merge parts of 2.2.1 with 2.3 giving us a taste of both in the near future possibly before 2012
The tab needs 3.0 not 2.3...
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hey samsung or tmo doesnt know that they're going to run the tab on 2.3 and promise updates all year long.
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It is definitely possible that official 2.2.1 Froyo is optimized for the hummingbird (i also heard that it may have a newer file system), thus giving the SGS the same boosts as snapdragon devices... wishful thinking of course...
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Your wishful thinking made my man nipple hard...just sayin.
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so possibly they will merge parts of 2.2.1 with 2.3 giving us a taste of both in the near future possibly before 2012
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Would be nice before we all die.
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The tab needs 3.0 not 2.3...
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Anything less is fAIL, like it is now.
I do not really give a damn anymore. 2.3 would be really nice, but with the Roms from EB, TW, Master, Jellete, I could go on ...all these guys have done great things in the rom world. I have modded and tweaked this phone so it now performs like supped up BENZ.......... really only S2 will move me away from this phone. all this worry over Samsung delivering...... is just "old lady wring your hands complaining" ....like I said who really cares at this point?
Here: opensource.samsung.com
nice! couldn't have been said better!
Interesting.... I'm anxious to see what comes of this.... Especially adding the audio chip to i9000 roms
Sent from a Captivate running Continuum/SuckerPunch#55/JPG on xda app.
Bout freaking time. Now maybe we will get some work done. Not that the devs here have not done what they could with what they had.
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i wonder what would happen if we could get charlie sheen to sprinkle some "fairy dust" in the coding too...??... MAGIC!!!
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Interesting.... I'm anxious to see what comes of this.... Especially adding the audio chip to i9000 roms
Sent from a Captivate running Continuum/SuckerPunch#55/JPG on xda app.
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+100
For someone who values voice quality above almost everything else (except reliability), I'm really hoping that the devs here dig into this source and really make our Cappys work they way we all believe they can, including call quality.
Dare I hope for better GPS behavior too?
Yeah, finaly someone can make Audience chip and Phone.apk for i9000 based roms...
and please, call recording...
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Yeah, finaly someone can make Audience chip and Phone.apk for i9000 based roms...
and please, call recording...
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That's pretty unlikely in the near term. A more likely outcome is a custom OC/UV, himem, BLN, voodoo sound and color supporting KB1 kernel. I predict it will be called Firebird 3.
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I hope this will help the cm frount
Sweet this will really move development forward
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i wonder what would happen if we could get charlie sheen to sprinkle some "fairy dust" in the coding too...??... MAGIC!!!
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zomg...open-source Adonis DNA!
Nice, this should get BLN and other goodness back into the kernel.
First to release a kb1 revision today gets a cookie! Just kidding, can't wait though.
Samsung Captivate, XDA App- Period.
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First to release a kb1 revision today gets a cookie! Just kidding, can't wait though.
Samsung Captivate, XDA App- Period.
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Like all software, you have a selection between 3 main points:
Fast
Good
Cheap
Pick any two. Since people are giving it away for free, cheap is a given so you really have a choice between fast or good. I'd rather see a KB1 that is stable and actually adds features instead of a repackaged Samsung version.
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Like all software, you have a selection between 3 main points:
Fast
Good
Cheap
Pick any two. Since people are giving it away for free, cheap is a given so you really have a choice between fast or good. I'd rather see a KB1 that is stable and actually adds features instead of a repackaged Samsung version.
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1. Every developer here only wants to make his/her ROM better than stock Samsung releases, so good is a given. I am also not sure how good and fast are two different choices, since a fast software is also good software, all other things being equal.
2. Every ROM, other than the just released CM7 experimental version, is a repackaged Samsung release in one way or another. Even the custom kernels are based on Samsung sources.
3. The KB1 release is the latest 2.2 ROM, kernel, and modem available that is native to the i897 target device. The others are based releases that are for other hardware targets, which while similar to the i897, have some differences like the orientation of sensors, absence or presence of FFC, lack of audience chip, etc. Use of the other releases as a base has both pros (HSUPA, 2.2.1 framework) and cons (connectivity issues on older hardware builds, stability of supposed fixes).
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1. Every developer here only wants to make his/her ROM better than stock Samsung releases, so good is a given. I am also not sure how good and fast are two different choices, since a fast software is also good software, all other things being equal.
2. Every ROM, other than the just released CM7 experimental version, is a repackaged Samsung release in one way or another. Even the custom kernels are based on Samsung sources.
3. The KB1 release is the latest 2.2 ROM, kernel, and modem available that is native to the i897 target device. The others are based releases that are for other hardware targets, which while similar to the i897, have some differences like the orientation of sensors, absence or presence of FFC, lack of audience chip, etc. Use of the other releases as a base has both pros (HSUPA, 2.2.1 framework) and cons (connectivity issues on older hardware builds, stability of supposed fixes).
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1. He meant fast as in get it done quickly. That is a real tradeoff, in our hands faster, or we have to wait but get something even better.
2. It will be based on the Samsung source, but now that the source it out it can be more heavily modified and recompiled rather than just removing things to repackage.
rajendra82 said:
1. Every developer here only wants to make his/her ROM better than stock Samsung releases, so good is a given. I am also not sure how good and fast are two different choices, since a fast software is also good software, all other things being equal.
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Sorry, I wasn't clear, fast as in time to delivery not performance wise.
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2. Every ROM, other than the just released CM7 experimental version, is a repackaged Samsung release in one way or another. Even the custom kernels are based on Samsung sources.
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My point was, and you'll have to excuse me for not making this clear, anyone can download and recompile the source as is. It takes some real work to look at the source, include patches, etc, to make a better product.
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3. The KB1 release is the latest 2.2 ROM, kernel, and modem available that is native to the i897 target device. The others are based releases that are for other hardware targets, which while similar to the i897, have some differences like the orientation of sensors, absence or presence of FFC, lack of audience chip, etc. Use of the other releases as a base has both pros (HSUPA, 2.2.1 framework) and cons (connectivity issues on older hardware builds, stability of supposed fixes).
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Not sure what point you're trying to make here.
The point I was trying to make, and I did so ineloquently (apparently) is that the time between release and an actual quality kernel will probably be a while. I wouldn't expect anything stable for a couple of weeks at least, if for no other reason, kernel devs lack the resources to test on a lot of phones at once.
Guardian_Bob said:
Sorry, I wasn't clear, fast as in time to delivery not performance wise.
My point was, and you'll have to excuse me for not making this clear, anyone can download and recompile the source as is. It takes some real work to look at the source, include patches, etc, to make a better product.
Not sure what point you're trying to make here.
The point I was trying to make, and I did so ineloquently (apparently) is that the time between release and an actual quality kernel will probably be a while. I wouldn't expect anything stable for a couple of weeks at least, if for no other reason, kernel devs lack the resources to test on a lot of phones at once.
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May not be all that long
http://bit.ly/h0qe0M
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using XDA App
I still have to wonder why it takes so long for the non-I9000 phones to get official updates.
On the kernel side I can say there are things added for I897, but it is still based on the I9000 2.2 source. All the configs, code, etc. for the I9000 are included in the I897 kernel source, an I9000 kernel built using the I897 source and aries config would most likely come out the same way as an I9000 kernel built from straight I9000 source.
I would estimate about 50 files were added/changed for the I897 and it took almost 5 months. I will laugh if a 2.2.1 Captivate release appears in May (there was approx 2 month difference between when I9000 received 2.2 and 2.2.1).
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xcaliburinhand said:
I still have to wonder why it takes so long for the non-I9000 phones to get official updates.
On the kernel side I can say there are things added for I897, but it is still based on the I9000 2.2 source. All the configs, code, etc. for the I9000 are included in the I897 kernel source, an I9000 kernel built using the I897 source and aries config would most likely come out the same way as an I9000 kernel built from straight I9000 source.
I would estimate about 50 files were added/changed for the I897 and it took almost 5 months. I will laugh if a 2.2.1 Captivate release appears in May (there was approx 2 month difference between when I9000 received 2.2 and 2.2.1).
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I am sure it has to be a combination of the carriers demanding extra test versions to check for minor tweaks, and Samsung having their hands full due to the decision to release a dozen carrier specific hardware variants. If you remember, we had a feature complete JI6 Froyo leak about a month or two after the first i9000 Froyo leaks. The amount of changes between JI6 and KB1 are tiny, and it took 5 months to get there due to whatever back and forth went on between Samsung and AT&T. With i9000, Samsung builds it, tests it internally, and releases it. The time period between the i9000 leak and i9000 release for 2.2 was about 3 months, and most of the changes between the first leak and final release were bug fixes and performance improvements.