Someone on AndroidSPIN mentioned this and I figured it deserved it's own topic because this may be hard evidence and not speculation.
Steven Drzaszcz 1 hour ago
There seems to be credible evidence here that the original Vibrant, at least in theory should support 14.4 : Halfway down the page, it mentions the samsung vibrant using the infineon 5703, which on their site, lists Class 10 as the chip support (14.4 speed)
http://www.ubmtechinsights.com/repo...estigative-analysis/samsung-galaxy-s/teardown
http://www.infineon.com/cms/en/product/channel.html?channel=ff80808112ab681d0112ab6ac1120609
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If the SGS does, in fact, have that chip- it could support 14.4 and be software locked to prevent it from accessing it. Anyone who knows more about hardware wanna take a stab at this? Thanks Steven at AndroidSPIN for bringing these facts out.
that is quite intriguing. Wonder what the "unlock key" is for this thing (if this is true.)
Nice post, I was just mentioning something like this in another thread.
It looks like they tore down a euro I9000 tho, not a T959.
I'm still willing to bet it's the same chip.
Now to find the method they used to cripple it.....
I think they have the same chips.
Interesting, that would be awesome if this was true and we were able to get 4G!
The Vibrant is capable of HSPA, not HSPA+. Basically meaning the Vibrant can use the tmobile 4g network but NOT at the advertised HSPA+ speeds. You will NOT be seeing 14mbs downloads on the carriers network.
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How fast have people got their Vibrants up to? Just got my gf a Captivate and it would be awesome if she saw a speed boost whenever AT&T gets off their fat ass and joins the 4G party.
mmalott said:
The Vibrant is capable of HSPA, not HSPA+. Basically meaning the Vibrant can use the tmobile 4g network but NOT at the advertised HSPA+ speeds. You will NOT be seeing 14mbs downloads on the carriers network.
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Do you know anything about hspa? The 7.2 hspa uses 16qam the 21 hspa+ uses 64qam. Same technology, same band. Simply faster modulation unless they use duel band in which both techs are supported. Im saying its possible. Not that it does or doesn't but I can debunk the not possible.
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How fast have people got their Vibrants up to? Just got my gf a Captivate and it would be awesome if she saw a speed boost whenever AT&T gets off their fat ass and joins the 4G party.
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AT&T has upgraded almost all of their 3G network to HSPA+ already. The reason AT&T speeds are slower than T-Mobile speeds is the simple fact that they have considerably more customers accessing their network at any given time.
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How fast have people got their Vibrants up to? Just got my gf a Captivate and it would be awesome if she saw a speed boost whenever AT&T gets off their fat ass and joins the 4G party.
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I'm gonna guess the fastest anyone's ever gotten on their Vibrant is 7.2mbps.
Just a guess.
remove your sim and power up the phone and hit (*#2263#) it will take you to a network service menu you want to select all bands and you will be utilizing the 4G network at that point....You may need a New 4G SIM card and or a Rom that Supports the 4G Data...Just my thoughts.
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AT&T has upgraded almost all of their 3G network to HSPA+ already. The reason AT&T speeds are slower than T-Mobile speeds is the simple fact that they have considerably more customers accessing their network at any given time.
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Why haven't they announced a single 4G phone yet? I know AT&T and T-mobile share part of their network, so I'm surprised that I haven't heard anything so far.
My understanding is that the 4G also has to be enabled by T-mobile for your account.
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My understanding is that the 4G also has to be enabled by T-mobile for your account.
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I think that's a load of bs. If the phone has reception it will use the network.
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remove your sim and power up the phone and hit (*#2263#) it will take you to a network service menu you want to select all bands and you will be utilizing the 4G network at that point....You may need a New 4G SIM card and or a Rom that Supports the 4G Data...Just my thoughts.
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I tried what you said and yes a menu does come up, BUT, the selections are
1 Automatic
2 WCDMA BAND (Which is only GSM 3G)
3 GSM BAND (EDGE/GPRS)
4 COMBI BANDS.
It would seem if the theory is true, then certian software would have to be mod(ROMS) so that it would unlock or reconize the chip as being able to use the 4G data side for T-mobile/ATT. I know all of T-mobiles sim cards are the same regardless if you have a 4G phone or not. If the device/phone is able to pick up the signal it will automaticly, I don't think there is a separate data plan for the 4G(I'll be talking to tech support to verify) But Tmobile is switching to newer sim cards that will work better with there network in every phone regardless if its 4G/3G/or Edge.
i just got off the chat with a rep about the sim card thing
Julian Magana: if i enable 4g threw my plan will i need a new sim card
~Michael C: Welcome to T-Mobile Chat service Julian. My name is Michael and for your reference my rep ID is 13-20364. First, please allow me one moment to review the information you have provided.
Julian Magana: hello
~Michael C: Thank you for your patience. All of the our data plans for Smartphones will support the 4G speeds. There's no need to change your SIM card.
Julian Magana: ive seen several articles out the the vibrant + and the original vibrant are the exact same thing minus the ffc
~Michael C: I can't really say anything until Samsung releases the specifications of the new phone, since we don't have any information on it yet. It's possible that it could be 4G since we have a few 4G devices out, but we can't tell until Samsung releases the information.
Julian Magana: ok and i found this which compares both + and original
Julian Magana: http://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/Samsung-Vibrant-4G,Samsung-Vibrant/phones/5138,4747
Julian Magana: what do u know about that
~Michael C: I can't verify how accurate the information is because the details haven't been officially announced. According to that link it supports current 4G speeds (21 mbps)
Julian Magana: so if rumors are true, then the original vibrant can fully utilize 4g speeds but samsung has it hardware locked correct?
~Michael C: I haven't seen any cases where a phone was able to go from 3G to 4G speeds because of the firmware, the phone would need to be designed to use the 4G network.
Julian Magana: meaning a 4g antenna correct?
~Michael C: I'm not sure of the exact details, but the hardware needs to be built to use the 4G network. The Vibrant was a 3G phone released before we made any 4G phones, I don't think changing the original Vibrants to 4G would be an option.
Julian Magana: well if thats the case then im sure there will be a 4g antenna mod
Julian Magana: thats all the questions i have thank you for ur help
~Michael C: You're welcome. Thank you for contacting T-Mobile Chat. Have a good day Julian.
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he was real quick about ending the session lol
yes the chip is capable of 14.4 but is locked for now to 7.2, Some guy from Samsung even comfirmed this as well, infact he confirmed It I believe on January 11th or the 12th when people were talking about the Vibrant 4G.
Very interesting! I'm holding a possible free upgrade to the vibrant 4g in my hand! I'm keeping aneye on this thread!
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Just an observation but can the T-Mobile techs on chat get just a little bit of credit for...
1. being fairly knowledgeable about their products
2. doing a pretty good job of not promising something they know they can't deliver
3. being nice enough to put up the sh*t we propeller heads tend to give them via a chat or phone support session?
I know this isn't quite the right thread for it but a good part of the reason I've stuck with T-Mobile all these years is that they have always seemed to do a better job at supporting their products than their competitors...
So, lets give them credit if credit is due to them for doing a good job in the face of the swelling public outcry!
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yes the chip is capable of 14.4 but is locked for now to 7.2, Some guy from Samsung even comfirmed this as well, infact he confirmed It I believe on January 11th or the 12th when people were talking about the Vibrant 4G.
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you say this with such certaintity and state it as fact, can you provide the proof someone at samsung said this?
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soooo incredible capable of getting 4g?
no. no hardware for it
That's just wrong. I wont even get update on a new phone for a while. Oh well.
It's not...wrong. 4G requires a new piece of radio hardware to be installed in the phone...besides the fact that Verizon hasn't even lit up the country with LTE yet, let alone 7 months ago when the phone first game out.
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That's just wrong. I wont even get update on a new phone for a while. Oh well.
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how is that wrong? you bought a 3g phone not a lte ready phone, I won't be succumbing to any 4g phones til I'm guaranteed to have the service in my area...plus it's not even on yet for us so why would it
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Its not wrong. Just wanted to see how many people would cry.
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Plus just didn't know how exactly that 4glte and 3g works so. Thought it was just software upgrade
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Thought it was just software upgrade
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lol really?..
Everybody says it is impossible. I say it is but won't happen. "LTE" is not 4G. It is 3.5G, just like sprint does not have 4G, They have 3.5G. If they had true 4G. We would be looking at speeds as fast as out home internet now. LTE runs on a 700mhz band if I am correct. The Radio in both the EVO and Dinc are a qualcomm radio. Which by verizon is set to receive signal at 800mhz and 1900mhz. There is no reason why they can not send out a radio and antenna update to make it also run at 700mhz too. But that is my two cents. this is always what I have thought.
I would like for this to be true.
Can this be true? Please?
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Everybody says it is impossible. I say it is but won't happen. "LTE" is not 4G. It is 3.5G, just like sprint does not have 4G, They have 3.5G. If they had true 4G. We would be looking at speeds as fast as out home internet now. LTE runs on a 700mhz band if I am correct. The Radio in both the EVO and Dinc are a qualcomm radio. Which by verizon is set to receive signal at 800mhz and 1900mhz. There is no reason why they can not send out a radio and antenna update to make it also run at 700mhz too. But that is my two cents. this is always what I have thought.
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Everybody says it is impossible. I say it is but won't happen. "LTE" is not 4G. It is 3.5G, just like sprint does not have 4G, They have 3.5G. If they had true 4G. We would be looking at speeds as fast as out home internet now. LTE runs on a 700mhz band if I am correct. The Radio in both the EVO and Dinc are a qualcomm radio. Which by verizon is set to receive signal at 800mhz and 1900mhz. There is no reason why they can not send out a radio and antenna update to make it also run at 700mhz too. But that is my two cents. this is always what I have thought.
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Wish we had more smarter people like you and looking more positive than crying about oh no we can't have this and that.
Berzerker7 said:
It's not...wrong. 4G requires a new piece of radio hardware to be installed in the phone...besides the fact that Verizon hasn't even lit up the country with LTE yet, let alone 7 months ago when the phone first game out.
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Read the last post and say whaaat.
Hanneman101101 said:
Everybody says it is impossible. I say it is but won't happen. "LTE" is not 4G. It is 3.5G, just like sprint does not have 4G, They have 3.5G. If they had true 4G. We would be looking at speeds as fast as out home internet now. LTE runs on a 700mhz band if I am correct. The Radio in both the EVO and Dinc are a qualcomm radio. Which by verizon is set to receive signal at 800mhz and 1900mhz. There is no reason why they can not send out a radio and antenna update to make it also run at 700mhz too. But that is my two cents. this is always what I have thought.
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well, unless you have something to back up your claim that a software update will enable 4g...excuse me, 3.5g, then your basically talking out your ass. no offense intended, just back up your claims
LTE is actually different from 4G... Look into it and you will see Verizon is claiming that LTE will run at least 3x faster than 4G. Whether they can back up those claims has yet to be seen.
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Wish we had more smarter people like you and looking more positive than crying about oh no we can't have this and that.
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More smart people blowing smoke??? If so I prefer the idiot who has facts.
Im not calling the guy who posted that info an idiot as he specifically said its just what he thought.
Contribute something before saying we need more of the smarter people.
LTE Testing and "G" question
Ok for the 1st thing about radios and software or hardware, as an RF engineer I can say that if the stripline rf sections are capeable of being tuned far enough to run the 700MHZ band, and I will confirm that VZW LTE is in that band as we are running it now, the protocols are different so I do not beleive the chipset will be flashable to run it. They may have indeed looked forward enough to make it so but I have no specific knowledge of it, except that VZW is going to release an LTE version that is in the EVO case but with LTE instead of WI-MAX, good news because front cam and everything. A history lession though is that I have an old HTC PPC5050 in my collection that was an evaluation unit for Sprint back before the 6600 came out and was never accepted and released. This thing had a GPS hump on top of it that really worked when everyone else was AGPS only, and in the spec was EVDO before Sprint even had it. I used it in the first tests of EVDO at ACS in Anchorage and it worked, the first EVDO smart phone and it was never let out, so some strange stuff does happen, I just do not think VZW would have motivation to flash LTE if they could, but just my opinion, could be wrong.
The "G" thing is more company hype and advertising than anything else. LTE is getting 20-35 MBPS with nobody else on it so when it is public, shared, groomed, and throttled who knows but I know it will whip WI-MAX ;-)
It Won't Happen..
LTE Will Require A Sort Of Sim Card...Droid Incredible Has No Sim Card Port. So We Won't Have LTE
You guys make me laugh.
Ill just end up buying a phone that's capable of doing it. Maybe incredible HD.
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You guys make me laugh.
Ill just end up buying a phone that's capable of doing it. Maybe incredible HD.
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It will be a few months before there are any LTE capable handsets on the market. Even then, unless you live in one of the handful of cities that will have LTE next year, you'll simply just be using 3G.
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It will be a few months before there are any LTE capable handsets on the market. Even then, unless you live in one of the handful of cities that will have LTE next year, you'll simply just be using 3G.
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i live in LA. so.
I was speaking to a Tmobile rep on the phone who couldn't go into details because of a recorded line, but mentioned that the HD2 can run on the 4G network. He said there are "ways that will not void warranty". He said to just search and I will find it. It was not a hardware limitation, but a software one. Anyone have an idea on this?
Cmon bro, you have over 1300 posts and you think the HD2 is capable of 4G and that it's a software limitation? Secondly, even Tmobile themselves dont even know what 4G is with their subliminal ads, what make you think any of their reps know any better?
HD2 doesn't run on 4G and it's a hardware limitation period
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Cmon bro, you have over 1300 posts and you think the HD2 is capable of 4G and that it's a software limitation? Secondly, even Tmobile themselves dont even know what 4G is with their subliminal ads, what make you think any of their reps know any better?
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What does my post count have to do with what a t-mobile rep says? I merely posted what I was told via a chat with a rep when I questioned him about their 4G service.
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Yes the hd2 is hardware limited to 7.2 Mbs but since hspa+ is backwards compatible T-Mobile's "4g" network will make a difference to you connection... Idk what the Rep you talked to was talking about but frankly he's f.o.s (full of $#!+).. the hardware radio is limitation!!!
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Yes the hd2 is hardware limited to 7.2 Mbs but since hspa+ is backwards compatible T-Mobile's "4g" network will make a difference to you connection... Idk what the Rep you talked to was talking about but frankly he's f.o.s (full of $#!+).. the hardware radio is limitation!!!
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Thats what i figured. I know when HSPA came out, it was "labeled as 4G speed" but called HSPA. Maybe that is what he was confused about since now Tmobile is trying to actually have a true 4G network. Who knows. HSPA is good for me now anyway.
after the 3.14 update they'll release one that's 4.0 meaning 4g and the hd2 will then have 4g ....lol
What a douchebag, I hate phoneshops, most of them would tell you everything you want to here, just to let you buy one. When I went for my hd2, I had to buy a display model because there were none left, and the guy behind the desk had one too, an hd2. With a cooked rom. I asked to run the phones init process before taking it home, and it got stuck at sim recognising, we tried multiple simcards, everything failed, that guy was also a douche, he said immediatly, sold is sold. Maybe he tried to customise his hd2 and when it failed, he swapped it with the store display model. Luckely for my another employee overthere said he couldn't make it, if it was up to the first seller, I had to send it to repair,that dumb prick. The other one gave me a cheque to buy it in another store, where I asked the same thing, point is, always try before you buy, and insist, you are customer, and king.
Im not too familiar with all this phone junk... I mean when you guys are saying its a hardware issue, to me it sounds like you guys are saying a Dell c600 oldschool laptop only being able to run on dial up... DSL outta the question... hahaha...
i do believe it is probably a software issue, but i havent researched it much...
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Im not too familiar with all this phone junk... I mean when you guys are saying its a hardware issue, to me it sounds like you guys are saying a Dell c600 oldschool laptop only being able to run on dial up... DSL outta the question... hahaha...
i do believe it is probably a software issue, but i havent researched it much...
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It is not a software issue. If it were, there would be no need for advertising "4G" phones, would there?
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Im not too familiar with all this phone junk... I mean when you guys are saying its a hardware issue, to me it sounds like you guys are saying a Dell c600 oldschool laptop only being able to run on dial up... DSL outta the question... hahaha...
i do believe it is probably a software issue, but i havent researched it much...
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You have to research that a phone isn't like a laptop, lol...
Even in a smartest of smartphones you can not change the radio module, like adding a modem in the cheapest laptop, different class of gadgets.
HSPA+
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Yes the hd2 is hardware limited to 7.2 Mbs but since hspa+ is backwards compatible T-Mobile's "4g" network will make a difference to you connection... Idk what the Rep you talked to was talking about but frankly he's f.o.s (full of $#!+).. the hardware radio is limitation!!!
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so did your statement about hspa+ mean that the phone takes full advantage of the bandwidth available in hspa without any software mods?
T-Mobile doesn't even have real 4G. Hell, they don't even hardly have 3G where they say they do, let alone the "largest 4G network in America"
What a load of crap.
No, our totally awesome HD2's will not run 4G speeds, unless you know some sort of black magic or voodoo.
HSPA + uses the same frequency as the 3G one.. so even though its the same AWS band the hardware must be able to reach the Max speed avaible... it would be like having a 1Gig/s line but it only reaching 100mbs since that's the hardware limit... Now in some cases hardware is capable of more but limited by the firmware.. take for instance wimax modules, there capable of LTE but don't have the supported software...
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It is very likely they were referring to 3.5G (H) instead of 4G.
Actually T-Mobile does not really have 4G yet that could be comparable to Verizon for instance... yes, it is fast on Galaxy phones but overall it is just fast fast connection... 3.75G I guess ... however, my HD2 works on 3.5G (H) connection just fine and I am subscribed to 4G 200MB plan for $10...
Will HD2 work on real 4G... cmon man don't make me loose calories by typing what 1300 threads already state... NOT HAPPENING!
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It is not a software issue. If it were, there would be no need for advertising "4G" phones, would there?
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I'm not commenting on whether 4G is possible or not on the HD2, but rather on your comment above.
They advertise Android phones don't they, yet that's possible on the HD2. They advertise WM7 phones, yet the HD2 can do that too. I know a lot of things on the HD2 were said to be impossible and later it was proved possible either through software changes or even just enabling a registry setting. Cell companies limit features of phones all the time by not including certain software or not enabling certain features as a way of differentiating phones. So as far as your comment goes, it means absolutely nothing.
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I'm not commenting on whether 4G is possible or not on the HD2, but rather on your comment above.
They advertise Android phones don't they, yet that's possible on the HD2. They advertise WM7 phones, yet the HD2 can do that too. I know a lot of things on the HD2 were said to be impossible and later it was proved possible either through software changes or even just enabling a registry setting. Cell companies limit features of phones all the time by not including certain software or not enabling certain features as a way of differentiating phones. So as far as your comment goes, it means absolutely nothing.
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Oh really? Look up the details on the QSD8250.
QSD8250: GSM, GPRS, EDGE, UMTS/WCDMA, HSDPA, HSUPA, MBMS
MSM7230 (the FIRST 4G capable processor/radio): GSM, GPRS, EDGE, UMTS/WCDMA, HSDPA, HSUPA, HSPA+, MBMS
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Sweet. I think on my HTC g2 never hit that
HTC HD2 updated .zip rom EVO 4G (not working. no problem...)
Doesn't matter if 4G network not works onto HTC HD2,because when more people buying a 4G phone than they are using 4G network and after few months (maybe) year than 3G is also faster as before. 3G networks can used and functionally better onto internet whitout changed when 3G is full than you automatically down to almost historic G networks. When time is there i sell a new smartphone with 4G,but my old HTC HD2 is ever working (when it rains and not rains). I like this crazy phone. Unbeleaveble
HD2 doesn't run on 4G
My email to her is below. But here is her response. So just hold it out people. It is coming. The phone supports it. AT&T just needs to "Turn it on"
Hi Donnie,
This means that the 4g Atrix is going to be ABLE to use the 4G service once it is available however, we do not have the service alive yet therefore you will not get those speeds at this time. We are proactively working on getting the network upgraded. Houston is a HOT spot for this project so I know it will not be long.
Thank you,
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Email i sent to my at&t rep who handles my corp account of about 150 phones.
According to ATT Website the Atrix, supports “4G” By using HSPA+. Houston is a HSPA+ market, but we have been unable to HSPA+ service.
We contacted CS and they said it was prolly a down tower. But I do a lot of driving and know that one tower would not affect all of Houston. So we hit up Google, and the results are disturbing. Motorola says it does not support HSPA+. Yet att website says it does. Many sites say that AT&T has disabled it. We need to know the truth. We bought this phone because it is listed as a 4G phone, but it seems we were misled. If you would please research this and shed some light on the matter.
https://supportforums.motorola.com/message/331802#331802
http://www.att.com/network/assets/maps/Houston.html
Thanks,
Donnie
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More BS from AT&T.
HSUPA is DISABLED on this device and i don't care how many lies at&t will try to push to cover this up.
Hey Donnie,
Had pretty much the same question for my Rep yesterday. Let me go ahead and say that I've yet to go to a market that is HSPA+ with my Atrix; my rep doesn't have one yet, she has an Inspire. She has been in "4G" market coverage where her phone shows 4+, the indication for 4G, and it's faster than her IP3 but not 2x as fast as 4G is supposed to be.
She told me that some markets are "4G" but only in the sense that they are running at 3.1 Mbps, which according to the FCC qualifies, hence At&t saying they have no 4G coverage. 4G being 7.2 Mbps.
She also informed me that At&t is not pushing 4G upgrades so much as they are pushing LTE upgrades, which according to her can run 5x as fast as 4G?
Sorry for the rambling, but I thought you might like that information.
clubtech said:
More BS from AT&T.
HSUPA is DISABLED on this device and i don't care how many lies at&t will try to push to cover this up.
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Again at&t will enable it when they want to go live with it. Point is Atrix, supports it. And will when the network is ready.
Not sure what counts as hspa+ speeds but im getting 4.5 mbps down where im sitting right now
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Hey Donnie,
Had pretty much the same question for my Rep yesterday. Let me go ahead and say that I've yet to go to a market that is HSPA+ with my Atrix; my rep doesn't have one yet, she has an Inspire. She has been in "4G" market coverage where her phone shows 4+, the indication for 4G, and it's faster than her IP3 but not 2x as fast as 4G is supposed to be.
She told me that some markets are "4G" but only in the sense that they are running at 3.1 Mbps, which according to the FCC qualifies, hence At&t saying they have no 4G coverage. 4G being 7.2 Mbps.
She also informed me that At&t is not pushing 4G upgrades so much as they are pushing LTE upgrades, which according to her can run 5x as fast as 4G?
Sorry for the rambling, but I thought you might like that information.
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Wow really? Theyre not pushing 4g, theyre pushing lte? LTE is 4g. What att is calling 4g now is not 4g its 3g with overhaul. 7.2 mbps? The iphone 3gs could theoretically achieve these speeds but not on att. I like the atrix bht i didnt buy it for (4g) speeds. NO NETWORK HAS TRUE 4G!!!!!!
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Again at&t will enable it when they want to go live with it. Point is Atrix, supports it. And will when the network is ready.
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We are talking about basic 3g they are disabling here ....nothing to do with hspa+.....
But you can believe whatever you want if it makes you feel better.
I know we're not getting HSPA+ speeds, but there's something even more. I have yet to see someone get more than 400Kbps UPLINK.
This is not just on AT&T.
Can someone ask an AT&T Rep about THAT!
Odd how my Captivate has HSUPA speeds yet my brother's Atrix doesn't... So much for the speeds not being available...
clubtech said:
More BS from AT&T.
HSUPA is DISABLED on this device and i don't care how many lies at&t will try to push to cover this up.
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HSPA+ *IS NOT* HSUPA. They're separate services. When AT&T enables HSPA+ across the country they'll also most likely send out a patch to enable HSUPA on the devices. Settle down on the conspiracy theories.
HSPA+ isn't enabled because the system isn't finished. We *all* knew this. When it is (in the next month or 2, most likely) they'll enable it and you'll see the difference overnight. My dad's worked for AT&T for 42 years as a repair tech (one of the 2 in this state that upgrade a majority of the HSPA+ and LTE hardware) and said the rough estimate looks like late March or very early April for HSPA+ and LTE in fall.
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Not sure what counts as hspa+ speeds but im getting 4.5 mbps down where im sitting right now
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that is great speeds... im in an area where there is no H+ yet, in greensbroo NC but Charlotte NC has it and we a re the next to get it in NC... and i am getting 3.8 but without the HUSPA, we are getting .3/.4 uploads... no matter how fast our DL's are without an upload to match it... those speeds are kinda pointless
"HSPA+ *IS NOT* HSUPA. ...
HSPA+ isn't enabled because"
Well, my phone shows "H+" up top, indicating it is enabled in this area. But AT&T has some clever ideas about hardware deployment. When I called to ask about some problems last year the rep said "Oh, I see there are a number of degraded towers in your area, that could be the problem." "Is there anything else I can help you with today?"
I said "Yes, can you give me Verizon's number? I'd like to ask them how there towers are." <WEG>
Hey, I know one's no better than the other in the big picture. But lord, does the FTC need to make the cellcos ALL COME CLEAN and stop the lies.
Apparently the H+ doesn't necessarily signify HSPA+. Covers 3G and their "4G".
"Question:
What is this "H+" icon on my phone's screen?
Answer:
The "H+" icon is a network indicator. When present, it lets you know that your phone is operating on our 3G or 4G network (where available). "
"Question:
How will I know if I'm on the 4G network vs. your 3G network? Is there any visual indicator on the phone's screen itself?
Answer:
While there is no visual indicator on the phone's screen that differentiates the difference between 3G and 4G data speeds, when experiencing 4G speeds your videos and streaming movies will download/play even faster, web sites will load even faster, and large files will download faster. "
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Will that "H+" icon ever change to something else? If so, what other icons might I expect to see and what do they mean?
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The H+ icon will remain lit while connected to either our 3G mobile broadband or 4G network (where available). Should you travel outside of those coverage areas and/or experience extreme network congestion, the icon may display EDGE or E while on our 2G data network or, in some instances, it will display GSM. "
Att rep for our company confirmed that they are working together with verizon to "pull the trigger" on 4g running at full throttle within the next couple of weeks. He showed me some emails and charts showing that they have installed verizon's hardware in their towers and are debugging it now. I did not see that "partnership" coming at all to be honest lol Keeping fingers crossed ))
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Apparently the H+ doesn't necessarily signify HSPA+. Covers 3G and their "4G".
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I noticed this up here after doing this MOD. Before the mod the notification bar only showed H+ all of the time. Now it bounced between 3G and H (not sure about H+). I am assuming the display I am getting now is correct.
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HSPA+ *IS NOT* HSUPA. They're separate services. When AT&T enables HSPA+ across the country they'll also most likely send out a patch to enable HSUPA on the devices. Settle down on the conspiracy theories.
HSPA+ isn't enabled because the system isn't finished. We *all* knew this. When it is (in the next month or 2, most likely) they'll enable it and you'll see the difference overnight. My dad's worked for AT&T for 42 years as a repair tech (one of the 2 in this state that upgrade a majority of the HSPA+ and LTE hardware) and said the rough estimate looks like late March or very early April for HSPA+ and LTE in fall.
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Okay that makes sense but why is it though that other devices like my unlocked streak or nexus one get much higher upload speeds than the atrix? Is it something in their rom that is allowing them to get good upload and the atrix rom not allowing it to? Trying to make sense of it all.
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Video with proof
It's obvious to everyone now, but I made a video that can easily be shown to anyone who doesn't believe the ATRIX has slower speeds than something like the iPhone.
Show this to AT&T and then they'll shut their mouth about "possibly a defective device."
www[dot]youtube[dot]com/watch?v=X5YMJT08N64&hd=1
I'm sick of this bs. Why cant this company live up to their promises?
the atrix isn't even an HSPA+ device, it has an HSDPA cat 10 modem...
The Atrix is supposed to have the HSPA+ transceiver in it. Whether it is disabled or does not work because the network blocks access since HSPA+ is not fully deployed is a question heavily discussed in other threads in these forums. However, you should realize the LTE requires a different transceiver, which reviews have indicated the Atrix does not have.
So even if LTE is deployed this fall, the best the Atrix will be able to do is HSPA+, not LTE. Supposedly, LTE-capable smartphones are supposed to be announced this summer sometime.
Wanna wait?
wrayrb said:
So even if LTE is deployed this fall, the best the Atrix will be able to do is HSPA+, not LTE. Supposedly, LTE-capable smartphones are supposed to be announced this summer sometime.
Wanna wait?
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Yes, when I see the disaster with Verizon's first LTE phone the HTC Thunderbolt (still not released)....I wanna wait even a bit longer.....I don't wanna be the guinea pig for AT&T.
AT&T hasn't enabled 4G on any device because they haven't FINISHED setting it up yet. Give them time, you guys are so impatient about this 4G garbage, there is a reason why they're taking their time, did you guys forget what happened with the iPhone when it started to use 3G. They're going to make sure they won't get flooded and they'll have enough to go around. I've got a few friends that work for the network engineering department and i've been told by them that the network isn't fully set so 4G isn't fully activated yet. Quit complaining, it's a good thing that its not up yet because then you guys would REALLY *****!
the phone is called 'atrix 4g' and they are toting it as a 4g phone. How unreasonable that we might have expectations of it.. lolz
4G meaning it has the capability to do 4G! Doesn't mean it will have it right off the bat...you know when you buy the phone AT&T tells you that the 4G network isn't up. If you bought it without paying attention on what the guys told you, then it is all your fault for buying it thinking it will have 4G instantly... just give them time, AT&T is always known to have the most efficient network out of all. May not be the most reliable but they are the fastest.
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..May not be the most reliable but they are the fastest.
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someone is wrong on the internet, i'm calling the 4chan police.
1. Its not.capable of 4g. The htc thunderbolt is the only 4g phone. Do some research
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Will hspa+ even come close to Verizon's lte?
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LTE has currently a download peak of 326.4 Mbps (40.8 Mbps real time-speed) also counting that LTE is using a 1.4-20 MHz frequency range. LTE would have higher speed capabilities if it wasn't being hogged by the air interference, then it would possibly run at 71 Mbps real-time speed
HSPA+ is still in development and running at a download peak of 672Mbps (84 Mbps real-time speed) also counting that HPSA+ is only using a 5 MHz frequency range.
These aren't the exact fact of what AT&T or Verizon has but it is the capability, LTE has been live since 2004 globaly while HSPA+ has only been up since 2009. LTE is becoming old while HSPA WILL be the future. Just because LTE is currently faster doesn't mean it will be for long. When HSPA+ goes fully live with AT&T you may see a quicker speed, There are networks around the world that put HSPA+ up currently at 42 Mbps real-time
What if the Thunderbolt wouldn't have LTE until next year?
It would be laughed to the curb. The only reason people still by atrixs is because we've become accustomed to AT&T being a bunch of greedy cheapskates.
At&T says you "might see speeds up to approximately 6mbps [at best]"
http://www.wireless.att.com/answer-...locale=&_dyncharset=UTF-8&solutionId=KB115947
(the link isn't broken, just click on it, and wait about 5 secs.
The funniest thing is that 4G in the USA isn't the same as in Sweden. We've got 4G here as well. But the thing is that your 4G is about the same as your 3G if I ain't misinformed.
Our 4G is <80Mbit/s
http://www.tele2.se/mobilt-bredband/4g.html?cmpid=se.search.2011.s.google.cpc
also i forgot to say, AT&T will be using HSPA+ as an addon because LTE will soon be introduced to them sometime at the end of this year....so yeah utilizing more antennas meaning more speeds... =)
Yeah, I don't think people are as upset about not getting 4G speeds as they are upset about very often not even getting 3G speeds. The upload speeds on this phone are atrocious, and quite often the download speeds are as well.
But, hey, thanks for your post containing information we all already know.
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AT&T hasn't enabled 4G on any device because they haven't FINISHED setting it up yet. Give them time, you guys are so impatient about this 4G garbage, there is a reason why they're taking their time, did you guys forget what happened with the iPhone when it started to use 3G. They're going to make sure they won't get flooded and they'll have enough to go around. I've got a few friends that work for the network engineering department and i've been told by them that the network isn't fully set so 4G isn't fully activated yet. Quit complaining, it's a good thing that its not up yet because then you guys would REALLY *****!
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It's funny that you titled this "quick fact" when you haven't stated any facts whatsoever. You sound like an AT&T press statement. Plus, you can't compare the Atrix, or the Inspire for that matter, to the iPhone. Whereas the iPhone had sold over a million in the first 3 months of it's release, I doubt the Atrix and Inspire will reach 100,000 in that same time frame combined. This was deceptive marketing, plain and simple. AT&T covers their butt with small print and they more than likely trained the employees to avoid discussion on actual H+ rollout. There's a reason the story made it to Engadget and other tech sites when it was found that data speeds were capped on these phones, it's because AT&T didn't want anyone to know.
The major complaint isn't not having 4G its ATT capping our upload and giving all the bandwidth to their favorite child the iphone. Its just a bit upsetting that I pay the same monthly as any iphone user out there yet I get subpar service. I think what we all want is to have service like what is given to iphoners and that alone would quiet the masses about the lack of 4G.
PS. I live in Orlando a place I was told numerous times was a test city for their 4G yet no 4G here all I'm left with is a crippled 3G network that I no longer get good signal inside my own home. I think that's evetyones gripe with ATT
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The funniest thing is that 4G in the USA isn't the same as in Sweden. We've got 4G here as well. But the thing is that your 4G is about the same as your 3G if I ain't misinformed.
Our 4G is <80Mbit/s
http://www.tele2.se/mobilt-bredband/4g.html?cmpid=se.search.2011.s.google.cpc
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The thing is that theres more than 200million wireless users in America and have to share the OTA data bandwidth. In Sweden theres a lot less people therefore everyone gets faster speeds.
For all those who are saying be patient. What if you went out and bought a new Ferrari capable of going 200mph. Only to find out the factory limited it to only 70mph. Here you are getting passed on the highway every day by moms in their mini vans. All the while you're being told by the factory that eventually we'll take off the governor so just sit there and shut up. I think you would be a bit upset.
the OP sounds like a AT&T rep...
drock212 said:
The major complaint isn't not having 4G its ATT capping our upload and giving all the bandwidth to their favorite child the iphone. Its just a bit upsetting that I pay the same monthly as any iphone user out there yet I get subpar service. I think what we all want is to have service like what is given to iphoners and that alone would quiet the masses about the lack of 4G.
PS. I live in Orlando a place I was told numerous times was a test city for their 4G yet no 4G here all I'm left with is a crippled 3G network that I no longer get good signal inside my own home. I think that's evetyones gripe with ATT
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neotekz said:
the OP sounds like a AT&T rep...
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Not to me, an ATT rep would know that ATT claims to have rolled out HSDPA+ across their entire footprint, while at the same time admitting that backhaul is far from complete. HSDPA+ is of course the justification for tagging the Atrix and Inspire as 4G.
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Not to me, an Art rep would know that Art claims to have rolled out HSDPA+ across their entire footprint, while at the same time.admitting that nackhaul is far.from complete. HSDPA+ is of course the.justification for tagging the Atrix and Inspire as 4G.
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Regardless if he's a rep or not, for the most part a forum like XDA was created as an act of defiance to the restrictions that carriers and manufactures have imposed on their products. So, why would anyone want to come in here and defend AT&T, or any carrier/manufacturer? It automatically makes you sound like a "plant".
I'm not trying to negate what you are saying, I agree with you. I just wanted to throw that out there.
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For all those who are saying be patient. What if you went out and bought a new Ferrari capable of going 200mph. Only to find out the factory limited it to only 70mph. Here you are getting passed on the highway every day by moms in their mini vans. All the while you're being told by the factory that eventually we'll take off the governor so just sit there and shut up. I think you would be a bit upset.
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Where can you go 200mph legally(or over 70 even in the US)? That's what I don't get. I understand high speed internet for home computers, you download and stream stuff all day. But on a cellphone, 3-4mbps is plenty fast.
'But I pay for 4g speeds!'
No you don't. You pay the same as any 3g device, with the same exact service. Get over yourself.
Well as many of you read on Engadget about Sprint switching from WiMax to LTE. Well naturally being curious, while I was stopping by my parents house on the way home I asked my dad who worked in telecom for most of my life doing contract work for Sprint. He now has since moved out telecom to some other department, but he still keeps up with his telecom friends who do contracting work for Sprint. Anyways back to the point I asked if these rumors were true. He said Yes they are switching from WiMax, but not to what and that Samsung is providing the equipment. If i find out anymore information I will let you know.
i dont really know anything about the 4g radio in my evo, but would it still work on LTE?
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i dont really know anything about the 4g radio in my evo, but would it still work on LTE?
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Everything would still work on the phone but the 4G LTE.
There aren't phasing out WiMax yet from what it sounds like, but since the Evo 4G wasn't designed with LTE in mind then no the LTE won't work on the Evo.
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There aren't phasing out WiMax yet from what it sounds like, but since the Evo 4G wasn't designed with LTE in mind then no the LTE won't work on the Evo.
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but does this mean that they are going to stop expanding the 4g network, and focus only on getting LTE up in more places? this is kind of a kick in the balls for people who just bought 4g capable devices with sprint.
They'll probably continue to expand and run Wimax on 2.5 Ghz and run LTE in parallel on 850 Mhz.
The way I understand, you would be able to swap out cards in the towers to swap out from wimax to lte... At least on new towers. Is that true?
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The way I understand, you would be able to swap out cards in the towers to swap out from wimax to lte... At least on new towers. Is that true?
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Yes, but you can't swap out the hardware in your phone from wimax to LTE.
So sprint gonna issue new lte Evos to us? Lol I mean if this happens then I guess we all have grounds for leaving sprint without etf for them not holding up to their end of the contract....wimax. not saying I'd leave but I enjoy 4g.....on my Evo!
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So sprint gonna issue new lte Evos to us? Lol I mean if this happens then I guess we all have grounds for leaving sprint without etf for them not holding up to their end of the contract....wimax. not saying I'd leave but I enjoy 4g.....on my Evo!
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By the time this is completed, the Evo will be obsolete.
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So sprint gonna issue new lte Evos to us? Lol I mean if this happens then I guess we all have grounds for leaving sprint without etf for them not holding up to their end of the contract....wimax. not saying I'd leave but I enjoy 4g.....on my Evo!
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No lol.. i am sure if you have 4g service you would still get it.
No offense but you have like 5 posts Including 2 in this thread, and you've been a member here just as long as I have pretty much...I'll believe it when I see it, and as ruge said, the evo will be the compare to as the nextel chirp phones back in the day and the razor, obsolete, trust me, no evo will have lte
the Evo 2A will have lte, I promise
Edit: I am changing this because I read this post wrong. You are right they are about to use Samsung products on the new towers but its not to change wimax, it is to make the towers more efficient and smaller. From what I was told they will use new technology which will allow them to add all services on one tower and be able to free up frequency to build out. It would not be imho to drop wimax because they will be the only ones to utilize it giving them an advantage in developing. Back on topic he is correct they are making upgrades and using new hardware within the towers but I think its imho to have voice/data simultaneous on a cdma network (a first) and they will do it with wimax 2 starting 2012...(that is just my opinion)
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Credit-Suisse-SprintLightsquared-Deal-to-be-Announced-Soon-113587
They seem pretty adamant on sprint moving to lte
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http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Credit-Suisse-SprintLightsquared-Deal-to-be-Announced-Soon-113587
They seem pretty adamant on sprint moving to lte
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yes it will be BOTH, in years from now, which will be = 2 the razr in todays age
craigbailey1986 said:
This is complete bs as I know 2 top engineers working for sprint and neither have heard such news.... now I usually don't feed into this he say/she say because it won't change a thing but please don't spread speculations amongst the forum without having concrete facts. Sprint also stated recently they were keeping there 800 spectrum and making upgrades to it for business who utilize the "ptt" phones and not using it for lte. All it takes is a little reading....
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I believe I know the article you are referring to as it was in another thread on here and discussed the new PTT service they will use once IDEN is turned off and it will include more speeds and the likes for data.
The way I took the article was that the new PTT phones will take advantage of the new network upgrade they are performing i think its called Sprints Network vision. The multimode base-stations will be the key to it all.
In the end the change allows them to use all the networks more interchangably from what I understand.
I would not expect them to keep the 800MHz band for CDMA PTT. they stated that CDMA PTT phones will be out late this year and if thats the case and they were planning on having them run on the IDEN 800MHz band wouldn't IDEN need to be shut off first? I take it as the CDMA PTT phones will run on the regular network and use data form the 800MHz once they deploy LTE on that. they can't put WiMax on the 800MHz b/c WiMax isn't provisioned in that spectrum at this point.
As I stated in my edited reply it would not make sense to use technology the others are using because it would not make good marketing. Also wimax 2 will be out second quarter or half this year, can't recall, and around the exact same time frame for those new phones. Also the new hardware being supplied to sprint and their new plan is at the core of what wimax 2 is. Which is stated to give better download speed and efficiency thru multi data channels. The company supplying the hardware, Samsung, also The first company to test wimax 2 and said it got 130mbs download, but that's with no one else testing it. But you get the picture.... I hope
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My main issue with sprint is signal penetration. Once I get in a building or etc my signal just goes to ****. My coworkers have t-mobile and Verizon and they get full bars sitting next to me laughing at my 1 bar. It has been this way for years.
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My main issue with sprint is signal penetration. Once I get in a building or etc my signal just goes to ****. My coworkers have t-mobile and Verizon and they get full bars sitting next to me laughing at my 1 bar. It has been this way for years.
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Sorry to hear that... I also don't get good signal in certain places but hey each carrier has bad spots, when I am in the studio some artist who have iPhone or att don't have any service while myself and engineer have full bars, though he has Verizon
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