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12/17/2008 - Imagination
In this post
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=459941
I clearly state to use your imagination.
I was hoping to get some positive feedback but instead I got some ignorant comments.
The sole purpose to my previous thread was to see what other people (forum members) were interested in. The design features I mentioned are not impossible at all, but then again I was just using my imagination.
I thought I was gonna get some suggested changes to my thoughts but out of all the views no answers. Ah well I did get somebodies attention although it wasn't the type of attention intended.
But for future references when someone asks that you use your imagination they mean to actually use it. Ok well its time to crash......Ciao

Okay, I'd like a phone that is implemented into my eyes and ears. It should have a 2gb/s connection speed, with full video support for every video type imaginible (including ones that haven't been made yet), and if it isn't out in the next 5 seconds than HTC/Google needs to get their **** together NOW.

Gary13579 said:
Okay, I'd ....
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lol
Also it should be free

atleast its imagination lol even tho its all sarcasm

jeez you take yourself way to seriously.....
To make a post about your disgruntled feelings about another post is the most egomanicial faux paux you can make on a forum, we could all look at a device and say this that and the other thing should be better and or different, and DREAM...
but to put all those things together in a slim package and a slim price point isn't possible, your DREAM phone may be possible today but Id bet it might be a bit large and painfully expensive, both of which the G1 is not, its basiclly an early adopter targeted device, that is just a taste of things to come from an open source world where each new phone you buy is familliar and there is a way to easily migrate your data, cause its the same OS...
To top it off this tephonic utopia I speak of is OPEN!
this is like the Barak Obama of mobile phones...it's about change damn1t
(I hope I spelled his name right, i voted 4 his arse)
bhang

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but to put all those things together in a slim package and a slim price point isn't possible, your DREAM phone may be possible today but Id bet it might be a bit large and painfully expensive, both of which the G1 is not, its basiclly an early adopter targeted device, that is just a taste of things to come from an open source world where each new phone you buy is familliar and there is a way to easily migrate your data, cause its the same OS...
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Thank you.

We quickly seem to forget just how inexpensive the G1 actually is. We would love a phone with a great flash, headphone adapter, etc... but I'm sure it just wasn't possible to build and release such a phone for the targeted price point.
I can almost gaurantee we will see one coming out, I'm curious what the Sony Ericcson model will be.
Compared to a device like the iPhone, the G1 has a full keyboard and trackball, it's most likely more expensive to make these features. Which is why the iPhone has decent internal storage and a headphone jack. I would bet these weren't left off because HTC is lazy, it's because these would increase the price past the targeted point.

I have often wondered why, since memory is getting stupidly cheap, why we dont see more internal ram and rom. I am sure in the future we will see huge strides. In fact, I am quite sure one day we will be able to upgrade them at a component level like a real pc or laptop instead of as an accessory.
When you ask what we would like to see, you need to keep in mind that technology is progressing faster and faster. Things like a built in projector, wireless usb, and many others will be here some day.
Currently, spec and feature wise I think the phone has what it needs already (ok, well- except the foolishly small battery)
If you really want hi-tech, check out the NS08 hahaha

has nothing to do with the a500 but...

So I was looking @ chinese devices and I saw this one at chinagrabber.com and would like to know what u all think. Its called the gs-708. I want a tab that runs gingerbread with decent specs, duel cameras and supports 3g and sim cards. Advice is welcome. Didn't know where else to post this. I know the nookis an easy device to root but imlooking for a device with a little more to offer. Idealized there will be little to no device support but I am learning to work with devices.
Here's the link.
http://chinagrabber.com/gs-708-cell...---android-2-3-tablet-pc---3g-flash-10-4.aspx

grhand82 said:
So I was looking @ chinese devices and I saw this one at chinagrabber.com and would like to know what u all think. Its called the gs-708. I want a tab that runs gingerbread with decent specs, duel cameras and supports 3g and sim cards. Advice is welcome. Didn't know where else to post this
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Link to the device?

You'll probably have more luck in the General Android area than here. Or even on AndroidTablets.net

Try out Slatedroid
http://www.slatedroid.com/
They have info on the chinese tablets
MK

A word of warning. Chinese vendors have recently released a multitude of tablets that look nice on the outside and act nice when you first turn it on. The problem that's been floating around the internet is that they often die after a few days. These are cheap imitations of the real thing.
Please stay away from these products. Buy from legit vendors or retailers. The last thing we want is to encourage these counterfeit/fake companies to expand.
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First, it was the Iped. Now, it's the Apad. There's also the Superpad. There's a reason they name them so closely to the Ipad.
I don't mean to put down foreign companies. But we really do have to watch out for these fake tablets.

GS-708 tablet
grhand82 said:
So I was looking @ chinese devices and I saw this one at chinagrabber.com and would like to know what u all think. Its called the gs-708. I want a tab that runs gingerbread with decent specs, duel cameras and supports 3g and sim cards. Advice is welcome. Didn't know where else to post this. I know the nookis an easy device to root but imlooking for a device with a little more to offer. Idealized there will be little to no device support but I am learning to work with devices.
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ww. Apad.tv forums has a thread on this tablet. It is original and nothing about it is fake. even the iPad is made in China as is probably the iconia. Probably not the best place to post as people are iConia A500 owners.

honeycombflytouch3 said:
ww. Apad.tv forums has a thread on this tablet. It is original and nothing about it is fake. even the iPad is made in China as is probably the iconia. Probably not the best place to post as people are iConia A500 owners.
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This is why I said I am not dissing foreign products. I fully understand that most things these days are made in China. But there's a difference. Products with legit names have (hopefully) better quality control.
Again, why in the world would a product brand named almost a perfect immitation of a real thing that's popular? Iped. Apad. Superpad. Etc. If a product can stand on its own silicon feet, then let it. If it needs to imitate to sell, then chances are it's got something to hide.
People often try to talk me down when I share my concern. So, let me repeat. I have no problem with products made in China. I do have a problem with these companies that are springing up all over China that pay little attention to quality control and sell their products through cheap imitation of real popular things. We as consumers need to stop supporting these immoral practices by staying away from these cheap imitations.

Fair enough. for the most part a lot of rogue sellers on B2c platforms, and auction sites do not qc products before shipping - this does not mean the product is inferior: it comes down to how the seller qc's / tests / describes product before shipping.
It is not fair to make assumptions about company qc. ChinaGrabber.com is actually a USA site if you do a who.is search.
Lastly, many people on the apad.tv forums, including myself, have bought the "Branded" iBex Flytouch3.
ChinaGrabber is also a supporter of the forum so if their products have quality issues, including iBex tablets, I am sure people would be complaining. For the most part, I have only seen positive reviews.
The GS-708 is a new tablet so it will probably be a while until people get it and review it.
HCFT3

honeycombflytouch3 said:
It is not fair to make assumptions about company qc. ChinaGrabber.com is actually a USA site if you do a who.is search.
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Again, I am not dissing everything that comes out of China or embracing everything that comes out of the US. There are honest to god legit US companies that have been created for the sole purpose of having an American sounding name and American base to sell Chinese, often inferior, products. An example of this is the company called Augen based in Florida. I'm sure many of you have heard of the Augen gentouch series. These are really cheap tablets that pretty much have everything that's wrong with them. Quality control is nonexistent. Tech support is nonexistent. The screens are made of plastic instead of glass.
For a time, I was curious enough to look into this company. What I found was that this so-called company name Augen has exactly 7 employees, including the so-called CEO. The company base is in a hotel suit. So, I went a step further and bought one of their products. I then pretended to be a complete dummy and called their "tech support". I asked some questions that any newbie dev would know. It was painful to listen to the guy's half-cooked answers. Let just say he didn't even know what a kernel was.
Augen is now selling what they call their espresso series. Very shiny pieces of plastic. Completely not worth anything at all.
The point is again let me repeat myself. We as consumers need to discourage such immoral practices in the trade by staying away from these fakers. Yes, most of them are from China. But there are a number of them who are based here in the US. And I am convinced they are all over Europe as well.
If the name sounds almost like something really popular, best to stay away from it.
Lastly, many people on the apad.tv forums, including myself, have bought the "Branded" iBex Flytouch3.
ChinaGrabber is also a supporter of the forum so if their products have quality issues, including iBex tablets, I am sure people would be complaining. For the most part, I have only seen positive reviews.
The GS-708 is a new tablet so it will probably be a while until people get it and review it.
HCFT3
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If a product is legit and is able to stand on its own, then name it something else. Boycott!

On a side note
This kind of business practice reminds me of "mockbusters" - movies named after the most popular moves of the moment to hopefully convince people to waste cash on some b rated crap by misdirection. I spent two weeks of research before buying my Iconia - easy to see how if i had not done my homework I could have been totally ripped off.

entropy.of.avarice said:
This kind of business practice reminds me of "mockbusters" - movies named after the most popular moves of the moment to hopefully convince people to waste cash on some b rated crap by misdirection. I spent two weeks of research before buying my Iconia - easy to see how if i had not done my homework I could have been totally ripped off.
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Yup. When pirates of the carribean 2 came out, a soft porn movie came out called "pirates". Being a zombie fan, I've seen dozens and dozens of cheap budgeted movies with very similar names to high budgeted movies.
We need to stop endorsing these practices with our money.

Hey folks, I have to agree.
I bought a couple of inexpensive Chinese tablets on my tablet journeys. One was the Haipad M701-R that wasn't so great so I sold it. The other is my current 7" cheapie: a Rena3 that is actually an okay piece in most respects, but suffers from poor video playback due to shoddy support by the manufacturer with no promise of...anything to fix it anytime soon or...ever maybe.
What you save in money you lose in ongoing support, even with the better built ones.
The closet full of coding slaves the small companies have is only good for a couple of firmware revisions at best before the next big device they want to sell has to be coded for.
REAL support ends up being through the community in the form of someone in the know creating custom firmwares for these cheapie tabs, if you are lucky.
IF
The satisfaction level with my a500 is through the roof by comparison, and the firmware came down the line on it's own and WORKED.
PRICE IS NOT VALUE

grhand82 said:
So I was looking @ chinese devices and I saw this one at chinagrabber.com and would like to know what u all think. Its called the gs-708. I want a tab that runs gingerbread with decent specs, duel cameras and supports 3g and sim cards. Advice is welcome. Didn't know where else to post this. I know the nookis an easy device to root but imlooking for a device with a little more to offer. Idealized there will be little to no device support but I am learning to work with devices.
Here's the link.
http://chinagrabber.com/gs-708-cell...---android-2-3-tablet-pc---3g-flash-10-4.aspx
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I would warn anyone off ChinaGrabber.
I bought a Flytouch 3 10" tablet from them.
The GPS was locked to Chin.
The battery lasted 1 hour after charges, and later on the charge would not 'take'.
Finally the battery exploded, destroying the tablet and filling the room with toxic fumes.
ChinaGrabber's answer to the GPS and battery was to send me to some dumb forum and I was told to try the things posted there.
When I did try them and told them it didn't work they told me that doing these things invalidated my warranty.
PayPal (the scamming bastards) upheld my payment guarantee complaint, but then reversed their decision - they said to get the refund I had to send the item back in the condition I received it, I told them it was melted, cracked and burnt from the exploding battery, they said it's either condition-I-received-it, or no refund, then cancelled the entire claim on me.
Don't buy ChinaGrabber, don't use PayPal..

Check out the Rena3. It is a dual core tablet with a &

I've owned a couple of the cheaper Chinese tablets...one M0003 7" and a 7" rockchip tablet. I gotta say, that while it was fun to take them both apart and dork around with the insides, the fact that I ended up needing to take them apart to fix them should be a good indicator of quality control. The touchscreen went out on the first one, and while I could still use it with a mouse, it was useless as a tablet and the second had a shoddy joint at the battery and I had to resolder it to keep it going. After those experiences, I decided to go with a better name and got a Gtablet. Still have that and its ticking away like clockwork. My 6 year old uses it to play Angry Birds and watch videos every day. I got my A500 for my daily driver and have not been disappointed at all. I don't think I will ever buy another knock-off tablet again. The use-ability just isn't there, and the QC is questionable at best. My advice is if you want something with 3g capabilities, try to find a used Xoom or A501 on Ebay or something, cause even used it will be a better choice than a no-name.

goodintentions said:
If the name sounds almost like something really popular, best to stay away from it.
If a product is legit and is able to stand on its own, then name it something else. Boycott!
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I hear that. The iPed was an obvious one.
But, Apad, which is in the GS-708 title is a word that discribes a Chinese Android Running tablet pc or "Android pad" or A pad. Do not think that sounds like anyting mainstream.
You guys are right to always do research on a product before buying it. I think this is why the OP posted thread.

Five Android smartphones you should avoid buying (streak included)

I don't comment often but I knew I had to post after reading this
http://www.androidapps.com/tech/articles/8942-five-android-smartphones-you-should-avoid-buying
Is it a phone? Is it a tablet? The Dell Streak somehow combines the worst qualities of each. What’s the point of having a portable device that places phone calls but doesn’t comfortably fit in your pocket? In terms of computing, the comparatively small Dell Streak is clearly inferior to the iPad and other tablet offerings. But don’t just take our word for it. Wall Street Journal tech guru Walt Mossberg listed the Streak as one of the worst devices he reviewed in 2010. Android software updates to the Streak have made it a more usable device than when Mossberg published his original review. However, not even the most advanced mobile operating system in the world can make up for the Streak’s clumsy form factor.
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Granted I've only been a streak user for about 4 months now, I don't understand why it made this list. The chief complaint comes from size, personally with a 5" screen the streak is a perfect e-reader and gps.
The article also links a review from the wsj, here the reviewer mostly had a problem with software. Being updated to 2.2, I've never experienced a random reboot or been told I didn't have enough memory to run an app..
Thoughts?

The Streak's size makes it a niche device. I use it as my do everything device and find it great for e-reading.

The guy who wrote the article probably never saw Dell Streak forum here. Here are many people who are using Dell Streak like phone and don`t have problem fitting it in the pocket (myself included).
And the screen size is very, I mean VERY addictive
He is writing that 5inch screen is not practical for phone, well for me it is very practical, now I am not buying anything with screen less then 5 inches.
So that article is just stupid

to be fair we could argue that each and every article reviewing something in the known universe is "stupid" mainly because no matter how much you struggle to keep out any personal opinions you will fail; moreover, even the reader will have his personal opinions and thats the same old song, each to their own etc. for example, if I was 20cm shorter (which would make me about 165cm) i would for sure point out that 5" is just plain too big for smartphone replacement purposes. turns out I am not therefore YES, THE DAMN PHONE FITS NICELY IN MY F'IN POCKET AND YES, I CAN USE THE SONUVABEACH IN PORTRAIT WITH ONE HAND. dare I say short people envy?
(btw, no offence meant to anyone, i'm just joking up a bit: like the author of the article.. or at least so I hope)

Desperate Apple Shrills
These people (the Moss guy especially) are known to be Apple shrills. The best thing to do is just ignore them and don't let it raise your blood pressure. They probably own Apple stock and the way Apple is going lately (look at the whole ebook mess) Apple shrills know that it is only a matter of time before Apple tablets go the way of Apple computers. A small market for a few, but everyone else will move on. More people own Android phones than iPhones and they will want a complimentary tablet to go with it. The same can be said for those who use Blackberry
The only reason that they are ahead now is because they were first with a real usable touch screen tablet. But their control issues are as usual going to far, and they cost too much. People are starting to catch on.
Remember; It is not how you start, but how you finish.

"Wall Street Journal tech guru Walt Mossberg" I remember reading his review when it first came out, the thing is he's pretty much bought and paid for by Apple. Nothing he reviews ever matches up the the wonderfullness that is whatever the latest Apple device is.
I think there's still a thread about that review here on the forum somewhere.

Lol I came specifically here to post about this article. I just saw it on yahoo too...honestly kind of gave me a scare since my streak is supposed to come in tomorrow and I have high hopes for it!
But I think the reasons he gives for it to be on the list are reasons why people end up loving it! And the author doesn't really seem excited about android phones generally anyways...
On a side note-- the Thunderbolt is on that list too. is it really that bad?

aaronv89 said:
Lol I came specifically here to post about this article. I just saw it on yahoo too...honestly kind of gave me a scare since my streak is supposed to come in tomorrow and I have high hopes for it!
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Trust me, you're gonna love it! Post a review for us after you use it for awhile. And you will love it even more after you pimp it out with the themes/apps on this site.
Sent from my Dell Streak using Tapatalk

Plus one here. I'm keeping my streak beyond my contract I like it that much. I also have an Ipad, very dissapointed with it. I expected it to be better than my streak however its not. I prefer using my phone
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The streak is the best phone I have ever owned. Obviously the writer of this article is a fanboy!
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well.. well
the article refers DS as a "PHONE" to make a "PHONE CALLS"..
then how on earth he could write that in a web site that talks about android apps?

Although the 5" screen makes the streaker harder to handle (I dropped one a few times until the screen and mb gave out) than say, samsungs or htc' 3,7 to 4" screens, it is definitly more useful, especially for "robust" fingers and arms length viewing/ reading/typing, such as when in a car support for GPS usage.
And its still pocketable, unlike 7 or 10 inch pad. Also, try to use a 10" PAD for GPS car mounting, and you'll likely block out visibility, hence safety.
When I broke mine, I bought a second one, instead of going elsewhere.
IT might be a niche product, but its a hell of niche and its definitly not a toy, for surfing the net, unlike some of the fruty stuff.

ahmadh007 said:
I don't comment often but I knew I had to post after reading this
http://www.androidapps.com/tech/articles/8942-five-android-smartphones-you-should-avoid-buying
Granted I've only been a streak user for about 4 months now, I don't understand why it made this list. The chief complaint comes from size, personally with a 5" screen the streak is a perfect e-reader and gps.
The article also links a review from the wsj, here the reviewer mostly had a problem with software. Being updated to 2.2, I've never experienced a random reboot or been told I didn't have enough memory to run an app..
Thoughts?
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" ....Let.em come stepp'n "up in my hauss" and try their mightest to take MY baby out of my grabby hands!...they will draw back a nub! Shooooot, dont talk about my Dell Streak TABLET/PHONE!..hmmmph!"

In my opinion the Streak is the best phone and tablet in the world (since I moved to Simplestreak 1.2)
But if you don't root or modify the streak to meet your needs it is crap. The stage UI is the worst thing ever made and some other launchers too.
But the hardware is good and the quality in general too.
I got it with stock 2.1 from a friend and it was so unbelievably slow. then I updated to 2.2.2 and it got somehow better. Then I flashed Streakdroid 1.5.3 which was worse again and then 1.9 which was ok. I got Streakdroid stable with BB351 but flashed 354. Since then it restarted again and again. So I went to SimpleStreak which is sooo incredibly fast!!!
I think I will stay there for now.

That makes me want to rage...The streak is an amazing phone. Anyone...Well, any guy atleast, that doesn't have pockets that this phone can fit in, is wearing too skinny of jeans. This fits perfectly in all of my pants pockets, even with the 4800mAh battery. Even with the commuter case on it. Fits just fine. And it's an amazing phone.

guesirwowghr said:
That makes me want to rage...The streak is an amazing phone. Anyone...Well, any guy atleast, that doesn't have pockets that this phone can fit in, is wearing too skinny of jeans. This fits perfectly in all of my pants pockets, even with the 4800mAh battery. Even with the commuter case on it. Fits just fine. And it's an amazing phone.
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Jobd or an iphony, I mean, iphoner wrote THAT article just to make other phones including the Dell Streak TABLET/PHONE look bad.
We dont need nobody telling us what we neeeeeed to like or not. They got "little cell syndrome", theyre just jealous "ours is bigger than theirs"

The article is proof positive that size does matter.

Love my Streak 5....cant remember what life was like before it!

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Love my Streak 5....cant remember what life was like before it!
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Can't live without mine!

Indeed lol. Have used a Streak several times and man is it bad :/ Why else do you think Dell has terminated it?

Why I'm reluctant to buy one

First and foremost: No multiple user support! Until this is provided by either Samsung or by a mod, I'm not buying this tablet. I was hoping to make this a coffee table appliance, and there is no way to achieve that without the multi-user support.
Another thing that kinda annoyed me was the seemingly cheap workmanship on the area where the bezel meets the plastic frame in the front. I held a white one at Best Buy and this annoying look immediately caught my attention. This would have looked much nicer if the bezel did not run over the frame and was instead flush with it. Normally I wouldn't care about this too much, but I know my wife will and ***** about how iPad looks nicer... jeez.....
So why am I posting this? I guess I needed to vent... I had so much high hopes for this device, and now I'm having second thoughts...

Why no one cares: Because no one cares.

SlimJ87D said:
Why no one cares: Because no one cares.
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Well, you cared enough to reply, so that's something!

I think the Note 2014 is going to be the best there is for android 10 inch tablet (until next year) for what it all offers. The super close runner up will be the New Nexus 10 coming out soon. For many it could go either way between the two. I jsut love all the software extras and the multi tasking of this thing. My god the multitasking!!:victory:
Again the new Nexus 10 is not out yet but ASUS is making it and I'm not too confident in the quality control. But that is just me.

ayemez said:
Well, you cared enough to reply, so that's something!
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atg284 said:
I think the Note 2014 is going to be the best there is for android 10 inch tablet (until next year) for what it all offers. The super close runner up will be the New Nexus 10 coming out soon. For many it could go either way between the two. I jsut love all the software extras and the multi tasking of this thing. My god the multitasking!!:victory:
Again the new Nexus 10 is not out yet but ASUS is making it and I'm not too confident in the quality control. But that is just me.
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And besides, didn't Google announce that they won't provide external sd-card slots, because they were "too confusing" to the consumer??? Really??? Or is it because they want to charge an extra $100 for 16GB in this day and age? Thanks Google, that's a deal breaker. The moment HTC did that, I switched over to Samsung (also HTC stopped making the battery removable). I hate when Android device makers are trying to act like they are Apple. If I want to buy something like iPhone or iPad, I will buy an iPhone or iPad. So stop taking away things that give you an edge!
I'm afraid that's what Samsung could be trying to do here by removing the multi-user support. They want everyone to buy a tablet. They don't want family members to share. Well, for the phones, it's understandable. But for tablets, there is no reason not to share. I hope Sammy gets its act together on this...

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And besides, didn't Google announce that they won't provide external sd-card slots, because they were "too confusing" to the consumer??? Really??? Or is it because they want to charge an extra $100 for 16GB in this day and age? Thanks Google, that's a deal breaker. The moment HTC did that, I switched over to Samsung (also HTC stopped making the battery removable). I hate when Android device makers are trying to act like they are Apple. If I want to buy something like iPhone or iPad, I will buy an iPhone or iPad. So stop taking away things that give you an edge!
I'm afraid that's what Samsung could be trying to do here by removing the multi-user support. They want everyone to buy a tablet. They don't want family members to share. Well, for the phones, it's understandable. But for tablets, there is no reason not to share. I hope Sammy gets its act together on this...
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Google's mission was to make the tablet as affordable as possible, it is one of the reasons why they cut out the ext SD card.
Their other excuse was switching over on how they wanted their phones to mount when connected to PC. But Samsung managed to get it working right, so I don't know what their issue was.

ayemez said:
First and foremost: No multiple user support! Until this is provided by either Samsung or by a mod, I'm not buying this tablet. I was hoping to make this a coffee table appliance, and there is no way to achieve that without the multi-user support.
Another thing that kinda annoyed me was the seemingly cheap workmanship on the area where the bezel meets the plastic frame in the front. I held a white one at Best Buy and this annoying look immediately caught my attention. This would have looked much nicer if the bezel did not run over the frame and was instead flush with it. Normally I wouldn't care about this too much, but I know my wife will and ***** about how iPad looks nicer... jeez.....
So why am I posting this? I guess I needed to vent... I had so much high hopes for this device, and now I'm having second thoughts...
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As a coffee table device? I wouldn't dish out ~$600 for a tablet I'd be leaving on the coffee table. Why not just get something cheaper? It doesn't sound like you're going to be using the s pen for anything serious anyways and the S Pen is what really makes this device worth the purchase.

gina$zanboti said:
As a coffee table device? I wouldn't dish out ~$600 for a tablet I'd be leaving on the coffee table. Why not just get something cheaper? It doesn't sound like you're going to be using the s pen for anything serious anyways and the S Pen is what really makes this device worth the purchase.
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Well, I guess I tend to always buy the top tier device and hang on to it for a while (still use my Lenovo T61 I bought in 2007 close to $2K). For now it will be a coffee table device, but for later I may turn it into something more useful. And no one can deny the stunning resolution on that screen.
I currently have Note 2 as my phone and I do use the S Pen quite often.

7just grab a nook hd+. 9inches and under $125.

ayemez said:
First and foremost: No multiple user support! Until this is provided by either Samsung or by a mod, I'm not buying this tablet. I was hoping to make this a coffee table appliance, and there is no way to achieve that without the multi-user support.
Another thing that kinda annoyed me was the seemingly cheap workmanship on the area where the bezel meets the plastic frame in the front. I held a white one at Best Buy and this annoying look immediately caught my attention. This would have looked much nicer if the bezel did not run over the frame and was instead flush with it. Normally I wouldn't care about this too much, but I know my wife will and ***** about how iPad looks nicer... jeez.....
So why am I posting this? I guess I needed to vent... I had so much high hopes for this device, and now I'm having second thoughts...
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You could try installing 2014 NOTE 10.1 RETAIL MODE APP.
I believe the way it works is.........
You activate the retail mode with a password and anything that is done in retail mode is erased when you return to normal operation. There is also a video that plays when the tablet has not been touched for a preset time.
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kkretch said:
You could try installing 2014 NOTE 10.1 RETAIL MODE APP.
I believe the way it works is.........
You activate the retail mode with a password and anything that is done in retail mode is erased when you return to normal operation. There is also a video that plays when the tablet has not been touched for a preset time.
Only one catch......... you need the password, who knows it???
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Yes, I have seen that on the tablet at BestBuy. There was an "administrators" menu on settings and retail mode user or something close to that name was listed as an admin. But still doesn't achieve the purpose of being able to share the device with my wife without any hassle.

iP6 has Bendgate, but the N4 may end up with Gapgate

Anyone else see this? Hopefully (if true) this gets fixed before shipment here to the US...
http://www.slashgear.com/note-4-screen-gap-issue-is-worse-than-bendgate-29348268/

Samsung is already aware of the issue. These phones are usually produced a week or two before they get into the customer's hands so this should be a non-issue for the ones coming onto American shores. And it's a manufacturing flaw not a design flaw like "bendgate."

Kawaisa said:
Samsung is already aware of the issue. These phones are usually produced a week or two before they get into the customer's hands so this should be a non-issue for the ones coming onto American shores. And it's a manufacturing flaw not a design flaw like "bendgate."
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Thanks for your input, good to know - I feel a little better now. =)

Yeah, no big deal for real. As mentioned above, it is not a design flaw like the iBend.
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Might even be fake according to comments. But we all know what @ssholes some folks are that hang around the interwebs.

Most likely is not true... But in case it is true... You can use the gaps as storage compartments... Or as card holders as shown in pictures... Nice feature... Lol

My Note 3 had a large gap on one side of the screen. It was like the screen wasn't set properly. I exchanged my phone and the new one didn't have the issue. Not a big deal. Issue was resolved.
You cant return the 6 plus for a 6 plus that doesn't bend

complete nonsense to even compare couple phones sleeping past quality control to fundamental design fault. I accidentally sat down with my Note 3 being in my back jeans pocket more than once (simply forgot, since I usually carry it in side pocket), so bending ip6 may not be as remote possibility as some want to make it.

its for the new screen shield

I went best buy to play with the Note 4, I tried to stick a business card and there was no gap there.

Scare Tactics
don't scare us like that! but honestly, sammy always takes care of it, and seeing as how the phone is already out in other parts of the world, we shouldn't see any issues over here in the US. its one of the only pluses to not getting a phone first :good:

According to Android Central it looks like it's acknowledged in the manual.
http://www.androidcentral.com/galaxy-note-4-screen-gap-necessary-manufacturing-feature-says-manual
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Oh and the fun continues...
"Galaxy Note 4 screen gap 'a necessary manufacturing feature,' says manual"
http://www.androidcentral.com/galaxy-note-4-screen-gap-necessary-manufacturing-feature-says-manual
No biggie, since I really want this phone - I'll just plan to buy it in person, and inspect it before buying (problem solved). But I did find the above article interesting, and wondered if Sammy added that to their manual after some of the N3's had similar issues...

Nonsense!
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I went best buy to play with the Note 4, I tried to stick a business card and there was no gap there.
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Same here, there really is no gap! And if anyone sees one, just get an exchange!

It's not even noticeable until some kiddie decided to stick a piece of paper in it.
I can stick a piece of paper in my note 2 as well, it's clearly not an issue

but, people will continue to make a big deal about it here..

Everything has a "GATE" at the end nowadays???????

.... like its some kind of scandal... based off Watergate... very ghey imo