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messages in sms threads out of order.

hi, ive been using super hero beta 2 and until yesterday i had no problems. but all of a sudden, every time i got a text, the most recent received message would be put before all of the messages i sent. so in the message thread, the received messages are in order but all together at the top of the thread. my sent messages are in order but all at the bottom of the thread. the messages arent in order of the conversation. its really annoying to always have to scroll up to find what someone has sent me.
i didnt think much of it because i figure a wipe would fix it. today, i wiped and installed the new jacman rom and am still having the same exact problem.
is anyone else having this problem? does anyone know how to fix it? thanks!

this has been an issue for a few people, if t-mobile is doing tower work in your area it will screw with stuff like timestamps(are those correct for both incoming and outgoing?) and order of messages

Are you using the stock messaging or chomp sms? I used to have this same problem with chomp, then I upgraded to JF 1.5 and didn't need chomp anymore. Stock messaging has never done this thus far, but I know how annoying it is.

My nstive messaging app is doing that! It was frustrating as hell I did a wipe, flashed a different Hero rom, and still. I downloaded Chomp it has no issues....its the message app that is doing it to me

I have never had this issue before (except a brief trial of chomp) and then 2 days ago it started happening to me from my gf's phone to mine. I have seen it on a Hero build, a Rogers build, Ion build, and now The Dudes Rogers build. Next step im going to check the clock on her phone and see if that may be part of the issue or something.

The only time I've ever seen this problem is when two texts are sent/received within the same minute, and they would be grouped similar to that. So, for example, if someone sends me two texts within a minute, and I reply twice to those messages, and they would group similar to the original poster.
Have we tried rebooting? Is this present across multiple SMS threads? Using simple stock firmware/messaging app, or even going as far as installing a new messanging app amd seeing those results?
In all honesty, Hero is no where near perfect right now and probably won't be for a long while. It was never meant to go on the G1 so we can't expect perfect results just yet. Try using a different ROM, and see what results you get.
What I think you might want to try first, however, is to not use network provided values for the clock. Try using the phone's clock values. You can change this in Settings->Date and Time. Erase all threads, and chat away. Let me know the results.
@brandenk
I've been using TheDude's build for over 2 months now, and I've never experienced problems like this. If this is so common place across all these builds, have you seen the same results on a stock build?

birkholze said:
is anyone else having this problem? does anyone know how to fix it? thanks!
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My GF's G1 started having messages appear out of order a couple/few days ago as well. I'm in the Orlando area. I figured it's T-Mobile screwing with the configuration of their messaging servers as someone mentioned earlier. Hopefully it clears up soon.

Time fixes everything

the problem was happening with the stock messaging app. just appeared out of no where. it doesnt even happen on every conversation, it happens to the three or so i text most often. my time stamps in the messages are correct, the other person's messages usually have a pattern of being 4 exactly 4 hours behind, but some times they just get jumbled with random time stamps.
i tried the date & time thing then a restart and im still having the same problem..

Same thing keeps happening to me, I am on the Super Hero v2 build and it also happened to me on the v1 beta build.
I switched back to ION yesterday and it stopped...and switched back and it started instantly again...Coincidence ?
Everyone is saying it's happening on every build, but I have only experienced it on Hero.

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Apparently, as far as my GF has noticed, it is only happening with MY messages to her, not other contacts. I've got Sprint, she's obviously on T-Mobile. Anyone else notice if it's only from certain (non-T-Mobile) customers? I suspect it's a particular SMS exchange server screwing up the timestamps.

When I had this problem it was from a tmobile number(one of my faves) and a verizon number so I'm not sure that its carrier related

My text messages just disappeared.

So I was in the middle of a text conversation and put my phone back in my pocket. I received another text, pulled it out, and my inbox was a barren wasteland. I disabled all the options for deleting old messages, so what gives? Is there some kind of mystery limit I'm unaware of? Did my messages just disappear into the void with all those odd socks I lost in the dryer? Was my conversation too hot to handle?
If my text message archives are going to disappear, at the very least they could leave a permanent root solution in their wake.

Sorry that I don't have a solution but your problem doesn't surprise me. There have been plenty of times that I have rebooted my phone (purposefully) and been brought up to the first time registration screen for the phone/android service.

This has happened to me three times since I got my phone on 10/05/10!
I have all the default text message settings and I text a lot, ~10k a month, figured it was just getting too full and crashing the app, sometimes it takes forever when it "refreshes"

yesterday all my bookmarks for the internet disappeared and my phone rebooted by its self a few times i didnt know what was going on

I have your text messages.
If you ever want to see them again then you will get a suitcase and fill it with unmarked, non-sequential bills!

Yep, you're not the only one, twice this week. Lucky for me I back up all my messages but damn if that didn't scare the sh!t out of me.
I hope somebody can explain why this happens & how to stop it.

I have the same issue. any solutions how to fix this?

Oh my god! My messages just disappeared too and I don't think I have an sms backup.. And i need them back. What do I do ? I can't afford to lose them!

^^Bahahahaha
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA App

haha.. you are so helping!

I read your earlier message as complete sarcastic drivel. Is was rather humorous, read that way. As to your problem I would recommend a program called sim card data recovery. You should be able to restore your messages that way
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA App

Which program are you referring to? Can't narrow it down on google. Could you please link me?
Also, the messages were not on the sim card, but on the phone memory or sd card (Wherever the desire hd stores by default)

I have not used a specific program, I have just been told that is the way to go. Not to sure if the messages are on the sim or the internal memory, but I'm guessing they would have to go through the sim to send, leaving a trace. That could be retrieved.
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA App

This literally just happened to me. I wasn't going to post about it until I saw this thread. Running CM6.1. Getting sick of all the bugs...

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This literally just happened to me. I wasn't going to post about it until I saw this thread. Running CM6.1. Getting sick of all the bugs...
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Had this happen to me once a few months ago when I was running CM6 RC3. Not sure what caused it and haven't been able to re-produce the issue since (thankfully).
I know the problem is not isolated to CM as I have read other threads with people running Stock or Sense ROM's having the same thing happen.
If they're really that valuable, a backup is probably a good idea. For me it was just a bit annoying but nothing important that I needed...

so no solution to this problem yet? i looked at various forums discussing this problem. good thing i only lost 2 messages as i had them backed up.
i am using chompsms and thought it was due to it, but apparently this happens without any 3rd party applications
keeping an eye on this thread to see if somebody comes up with an explanation, or even better, a solution

I have had this happen to me. i was using Virtuous ROM at the time. They all disappeared from my phone and also from HTCSence site aswell. I have stopped trusting both of them now and use SMSBackup+ which (as the name implies) backs all sms to a folder in your gmail account.

This has happened to me multiple times (+3) using Virtuous.

i had originally backed up my text via Titanium Backup, and I flashed my phone and installed CM7, when i tried backing up, the texts wouldn't reappear, so i thought, "oh well"
Few days later while I'm texting, my phone suddenly reboots and all the texts are back again..
But the other day they randomly disappeared again...

Me too
Happened to me today as well, CM 6.1
...really pissed about it, argh. Does stock do this?

All SMSes disappeared with no warning...

I had the phone for a week now, did couple of factory resets (when playing around with stuff), and yesterday morning I permrooted and HBOOTed the phone...
The phone overall works great, really no complaints, but 10 minutes ago I receive an SMS and open up Messages, and the only SMS I have the in whole app is the one that I have received...so all my SMSes (5834 to be precise) have vanished into thin air...
I am doing another restore right now, thank god I have it on the card...
It's pretty worrying that the phone would be so unrealiable to erase information...
There are two more guys with DHDs on AndroidForum with the same issue:
http://androidforums.com/desire-hd-support-troubleshooting/214946-sms-have-all-disappeared.html
Has any1 else had that happen?

happened a few times to me too, but cannot trace it down to a specific reason...
this IS annoying and forces me to backup my sms on a daily basis!

Wow, that definitely blows...and you have stock DHD, so rooting/HBOOT mods are definitely not the reason...
If it will be a regular occurence I might as well throw the phone in the trash, coz to backup 5000+ SMSes on daily basis, no thank you...
iPhone had no issues with all those SMSes for years, it can't be the sheer number of them...

Nope not to do with size as it happend to me and i only had 300-400 texts altogether before it happened. Btw when it happened to you did ur messages app FC then u have to restart only to find no texts?

Whoa this worries me, how should I go about backing up my messages? I'm all synced with HTC Sense, won't that keep em backed up?

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Btw when it happened to you did ur messages app FC then u have to restart only to find no texts?
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Elaborate on the question a little bit for me, I didn't quite understand you!
I received a SMS, and I just wanted to send a text back, pressed Messages only to find it's completely blank.
Restarted the phone and nothing still blank.
I also had an issue with it today that it didn't store calls I made in Call History, after I restarted it, it started working again though.
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Whoa this worries me, how should I go about backing up my messages? I'm all synced with HTC Sense, won't that keep em backed up?
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SMS Backup & Restore by Ritesh Sahu...it's avalabile on the market...HTC Sense can only back them up, but not restore them back to the phone (not that I know a way to anyway)...
http://android.riteshsahu.com/apps/sms-backup-restore
This presents a real problem for me, as it makes it a useless phone...I need a phone for calling and SMSes primarily...everything else comes second...

This happened to my Desire Z today, at around the same time as the OP.

braby said:
Elaborate on the question a little bit for me, I didn't quite understand you!
I received a SMS, and I just wanted to send a text back, pressed Messages only to find it's completely blank.
Restarted the phone and nothing still blank.
I also had an issue with it today that it didn't store calls I made in Call History, after I restarted it, it started working again though.
SMS Backup & Restore by Ritesh Sahu...it's avalabile on the market...HTC Sense can only back them up, but not restore them back to the phone (not that I know a way to anyway)...
http://android.riteshsahu.com/apps/sms-backup-restore
This presents a real problem for me, as it makes it a useless phone...I need a phone for calling and SMSes primarily...everything else comes second...
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There is an app in the market that you can use to backup and restore messages to and from ur gmail acc. this app also has an setting to backup an sms right away when it receives one. dont know the exact name (phone battery empty) but i found it when i was searching for backup sms in the market.
Hope this helps you.

Sorry for my vague description, here it is again in more detail
I received a text message from a friend and i received a notification in my noti-bar
I pulled the bar down and click the message, it then tried to open the messages apk
it force closed saying htc.messages.apk or something hast FC'ed...
I thought lets just restart and it will all be happy days again
I restarted and open the text fine, but when i pressed back to go into my inbox i noticed there were no other text message!
And that's exactly how it happened

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Sorry for my vague description, here it is again in more detail
I received a text message from a friend and i received a notification in my noti-bar
I pulled the bar down and click the message, it then tried to open the messages apk
it force closed saying htc.messages.apk or something hast FC'ed...
I thought lets just restart and it will all be happy days again
I restarted and open the text fine, but when i pressed back to go into my inbox i noticed there were no other text message!
And that's exactly how it happened
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Ah ok, now I got it!
As far as I can recollect there was no app crash on mine, just pulled up empty file.
I thought maybe when I restart the phone things will get back to normal (like they did with call history), but it didn't...Messages were still blank.
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This happened to my Desire Z today, at around the same time as the OP.
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Hmmm...this almost makes me wonder if this is somehow not related to HTCSense.com...
It's just weird that it happened to both of us at about the same time...
If it happens again I'll disable syncing with HTCSense (it's more or less useless anyway, I have local file backups of both), and see if it happens after that...

My HTCSense message log is completely empty, too. I don't think it ever worked.

I had this happen a few weeks back. I opened a new text message and the messages widget crashed. All my messages seem to have been deleted. I was quite concerned as my messages contain important information (I did got to the trouble of migrating them from my old phone)...an email from HTC to see if the emails were deleted (or just not visible as some have reported on other forums) and if there was a way to get them back elicited this response:
Thanks for contacting HTC.
We appreciate your support for our products.
We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience. Thank you for bringing your concern to our attention. With regard to your question, unfortunately, once messages are deleted from the SMS widget, you can no longer retrieve it, unless you have a back up from your SD card or to your SIM card.
Should you encounter any difficulties or have any concerns we have provided, please feel free to contact us again.
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Needless to say this jumble of standard form responses did not answer my question. A further question about how I could possibly avoid this situation in the future; their response...
We appreciate your support for our products.
Thanks for the update. With regards to your concern, please be advised that this is a rare issue that happened to your phone. We will forward this concern to our technical support team for future developments. We advise you to perform a soft reset on your phone. To perform a soft reset, remove the battery, wait for a few seconds, and then re-install it. After re-installing the battery, turn on the phone.
Should you encounter any difficulties or have any concerns we have provided, please feel free to contact us again.
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Rather than bash my head further against a brick wall, I downloaded an app to forward my SMS messages to my gmail as a safe guard and copied what messages I could from the only part of HTC sense that was partially working for me.

I had the same with my HTC Desire Z
I received a SMS, and when I opened it, all my messages were gone, except for the received message.
I read in the official android bug-forum, that this might be a issue with sqlite, but it has not yet been fixed in android 2.2. luckily I just migrated everything so most of my sms are in a backup.
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=5669

I have had the same issue a few times with the Desire HD ROM running on my HTC HD2...this is ridiculous.

Guys, I experienced these as well. I realised that when this happens, my messages are actually in HTCSense.com... The weird thing is, before having my DHD I was using HD2 with DHD rom... Then when I got my phone 2 days ago, those sms' which were not supposed to be in this phone reappeared... All the histories I had in my HD2 were in... I suppose this is an act of HTCSense.com...

me too!
This happened to me a few days ago..
I went to reply to a text message that I'd forgotten about and my list was blank!
I went to create a new text and it popped up saying the messages app had crashed.. I killed the process and no luck - crashed again.
Restarted the phone and the messages were still gone..
In terms of non-stock apps/configuration that may be worth mentioning I have:
Android Task Killer
Superuser/VISIONary
Titanium Backup
The only other thing I have done is enabled usb diagnostics (recommended in another thread to stop the occasional lag).
Anyone got any ideas?

Now it happend to me, too!
Performed a hard reset on tuesday and everything went finse since than. SMS were automaticly backed up from HTCSense. But 10 Minutes ago all my text massages were gone... They are still on my HTCSense account - but how to restore???
Thats a mess...

Tough luck guys!
I guess I won't be logging in to HTC Sense anytime soon

Tried to restore my SMS with my SMS BackUp programm. Got the notification "Successfully restored 119 items (2663 dups)."
But on my DHD are only the 119 sms...
Seems that there are still some left-overs the massage widget cannot read.
Ideas anyone?

Nobody an idea? or the same problem?

Can no longer send texts to ONE number!

Here's a weird one. I just found out one of my contacts hasn't been getting my texts for the last 2 weeks. I still receive his but can't send even though I do get a sent verification.
I can send to everyone else w/ no prob & he receives texts from others with no problem too.
I D/L'ed & used handcent for a while & then uninstalled it... Could that be it? WTH happened?!?!
Thanks for the help.
(Rooted JI6 never flashed)

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Here's a weird one. I just found out one of my contacts hasn't been getting my texts for the last 2 weeks. I still receive his but can't send even though I do get a sent verification.
I can send to everyone else w/ no prob & he receives texts from others with no problem too.
I D/L'ed & used handcent for a while & then uninstalled it... Could that be it? WTH happened?!?!
Thanks for the help.
(Rooted JI6 never flashed)
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might be a weird question,but what phone does you friend have?
me and my friend had the same problem..i wasnt receiving his text,but he was receiving mine.

There are a few bugs in the messaging app. In your case, it sounds like your friend's phone number / name has become associated with a different phone number (within the messaging cache). So, even though your display will show your friend's name, that's not where the messages will be sent.
Try to delete all of your threads and then reboot the phone. If that doesn't work, try clearing the data for the messaging app and then reboot your phone. That should do it. If that doesn't work, you can take the most drastic step, which is to do a factory reset, but then you'll need to do a restore of your apps and other data that would get wiped out.
Secondarily, there's a slightly different bug that could be happening (one that is much more rare than the first) - which is that your friend's phone number is the same, except for the area code, as someone else in your contact list. The messaging app only looks at the last 7 digits to determine a match for the phone number, so 415-123-1234 will match 310-123-1234. This one is much more rare, but that's another possibility.
BTW, these problems are internal to a specific Android class, so it doesn't matter whether you use Handcent or the stock messaging app.
Hope this helps.

Lost all messages

Hi Guy's
Been a while since ive been on here, but i've had my HTC Desire Z on 2.2 for a while now, well since i first got it, and had no issues what so ever, but walking home today from work, i press the home button to show all the screens, to go onto my messages widget, its the default HTC one that fils the screen, and it showed i had one message. However the screen/widget refreshed itself and started to load up the messages again, but went completely blank, opened up the messages app, and nothing in there, no drafts either.
So restarted the phone and no luck either. I have found one/two other threads on here with the same issue, but no-one seems to have come across a fix then, but that was a while ago, so has anyone seen this issue, been able to bring back their messages since?
Also to note, i havent modded my android in any way, nor rooted, nor use any backup software just not had time to look into it all, although i really want to.
Thanks for any help in advance.
Dean

i had the same problem and lost my messages twice,
this seems to be an android problem
only thing i could do is install sms backup restore app and backup my messages daily.
also did you update to 1.82 cause this seems to have solved the problem for me but i am keeping my fingers crossed.