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http://mobile.engadget.com/2010/08/19/sprints-3g-capable-airave-from-airvana-starts-shipping/
It probably won't be really available for a while (more than 30 days - although apparently a few people have been able to get their hands on one already), but it looks like this thing is coming out sooner, rather than later.
I have one. Got it about a week ago. I havent even taken it out of the box. Guess if it supports 3G, I should.
One thing I do like is you dont need a switch to use it anymore. It has a pass-through ethernet configuration.
Im unboxing it now.. this thing is freakin huge.. WAAAAY bigger than the original AirRave I had.
MadFlava said:
Im unboxing it now.. this thing is freakin huge.. WAAAAY bigger than the original AirRave I had.
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think you'll be able to post some speed-test results? How'd you get yours? Thought they weren't really out yet.
I still don't understand why having 3G is important at all for an Airave. The airave works using a broadband connection, so if you have broadband, the chances of you having wifi are pretty high also, and if you have wifi, who cares about 3G? Does my logic hold ground?
Sure.. Ill run speedtests.
I didnt do anything special to get it. I used to be with Sprint and I left and went to TMobile. Well, I returned my original AirRave because they asked for it back. When I came back to Sprint, I asked them to return the AirRave to me so I could hook it back up and they said they would send me a new one.
I noticed it looked different but didnt really think anything about it.
Here's a couple of things that arent mentioned in the article above.
This thing is HUGE.. I already said that but I wanted to say it again.
Its set up so you plug the cable modem directly into it and then there are extra jacks for hooking up a PC or a router.
Mine is going through the sync process now. It doesnt seem to be any faster than the old AirRaves but I may end up having to DMZ it in my router like I did the last one.
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I still don't understand why having 3G is important at all for an Airave. The airave works using a broadband connection, so if you have broadband, the chances of you having wifi are pretty high also, and if you have wifi, who cares about 3G? Does my logic hold ground?
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yes - as far is the EVO goes. But there are a ton of Sprint devices that can use 3g data but don't get wifi.
I've had mine for almost 2 weeks now, its really great, I get five bars at home and the 3g seems capped at about 2mbps. It us pretty big, but I don't mind, although I think that the samsung airrave looks a little cooler.us kind of weird when using 3g because your not using sprints network so its almost like wifi, just slower. My only complaint is that the thing takes 20 minutes to start up and it has a really weak built in gps signal, you have to use the antenna to make it work. I got mine for free from sprint because I get 0-1 bars and was "threatening to cancel" (lies to get a free airrave with no monthly fees)
I'd say its pretty awesome
You should have posted this thread in the accessories section noob
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So what do those of us with the Samsung Airaves have to do in order to get one of these new 3G capable ones?
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So what do those of us with the Samsung Airaves have to do in order to get one of these new 3G capable ones?
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Sell it on ebay them buy the new one with the money you get
I can't see that this is anything of a big deal unless your phone doesn't have Wifi capabilities
I just sent Sprint an email about getting my old Airave upgraded to the new one. Hopefully they hook me up since I've been a customer for 7 years and have no service in the middle of Atlanta.
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I still don't understand why having 3G is important at all for an Airave. The airave works using a broadband connection, so if you have broadband, the chances of you having wifi are pretty high also, and if you have wifi, who cares about 3G? Does my logic hold ground?
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Every person in my family has an evo except my mom who has a palm pixi. Which had no wifi.
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Got one on the way with a return kit for my old airave. I called customer care and asked if they were upgrading old airaves. After a few minutes on hold i was given the details regarding the new airave and the return kit. One bummer was that the rep told me that the 3g is not evdo, but first gen 3g.
Other than that I am expecting delivery next Thursday.
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is the signal given off of the new airave any better/go any further???
In my tests so far with the airave 2.0 they signal seems to be a little stronger than before...
Does it actually hand off calls to the network like its supposed to?
My Airave does not hand off calls even though when I go outside the condo, I get a full 5 bars of Sprint signal. It has yet to hand off a call though I have been impressed by the distance I can go before it drops...
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Does it actually hand off calls to the network like its supposed to?
My Airave does not hand off calls even though when I go outside the condo, I get a full 5 bars of Sprint signal. It has yet to hand off a call though I have been impressed by the distance I can go before it drops...
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What do you mean hand off calls to the network? Its not a cell repeater, I have one of those to, that will hand off calls to the network, but the airrave is a femtocell, which takes your broadband internet connection a sprint tower, it never even uses sprints towers. If you need a cell repeater I'm selling mine
I get horrible reception at home with my epic... i was wondering if the epic will get a radio ported from the fascinate... just like how the hero has a radio from a eris dump...http://geekfor.me/hero/radios/radio-241040202/#more-932
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I get horrible reception at home with my epic... i was wondering if the epic will get a radio ported from the fascinate... just like how the hero has a radio from a eris dump...http://geekfor.me/hero/radios/radio-241040202/#more-932
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Get a Wilson Electronics repeater.
Get an AirRave from Sprint
Get an airrave from sprint. I called complained, and they sent one to me free of charge.
sndtubes said:
Get a Wilson Electronics repeater.
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+1 Wilson repeater works great!
bomix said:
+1 Wilson repeater works great!
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I did a quick search, and it seems those things start around $300! For now, I use Roam Control from the market to force roaming.
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Get an airrave from sprint. I called complained, and they sent one to me free of charge.
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What does the airwaves do and how does it perform. what did u tell them to get it for free. Roam control might be a good option. The repeater is just too pricey for me right now. Thanks for the input so far
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What does the airwaves do and how does it perform. what did u tell them to get it for free. Roam control might be a good option. The repeater is just too pricey for me right now. Thanks for the input so far
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I got one of these as well. It performs perfectly, as advertised. It hooks into your high-speed internet and has a GPS receiver (to make sure you're not creating sprint networks in other countries, etc).
I called Sprint, said I couldn't get reception in my place and that, if there was nothing they could do about it, I was going to switch to Verizon (which is true). The guy looked at my account, saw that I had an unlimited plan, said I was a "high-valued customer" and waived all fees.
I did have to call and dispute fees that were added anyway, but they fixed those. Now I get 5 bars as opposed to none in my apartment.
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What does the airwaves do and how does it perform. what did u tell them to get it for free. Roam control might be a good option. The repeater is just too pricey for me right now. Thanks for the input so far
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AirRave is a mini cell tower - so to speak - that plugs into your existing highspeed internet for VOIP calling. When the phone leaves its range, it attempts to hand the call to the tower. Keep in mind that they do take a line even if they do give it to you for free. Repeaters are a little pricey and will probably always be, not to mention I don't think they work for 3g - just 1x
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When?
I did this two weeks ago, and they said that program was suspended right now because they didn't have any, and wouldn't until after the new year.
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Get an airrave from sprint. I called complained, and they sent one to me free of charge.
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To ickwonder and socos25? What city are you in? I am just curious if the problem is nationwide or based on your specific locale.
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To ickwonder and socos25? What city are you in? I am just curious if the problem is nationwide or based on your specific locale.
Thanks
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My location is fine I'm in Ventura county... I think sprint considers my area part of LA. My buddy that works for sprint said 4g towers are up but not on yet. But it seems where i live the signal is very weak. Besides that I always have a strong signal in this area for the most part
What city...OXNARD, CA
What do you mean, take a line? Thanks!
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"take a line" meaning that most plans have 3 available lines....most I know of atleast. So 3 potential phones. The air rave takes one of those available lines.
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When?
I did this two weeks ago, and they said that program was suspended right now because they didn't have any, and wouldn't until after the new year.
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Yeah they cancelled it awhile ago and I was pissed, as much as I tried to haggle with customer support.
At about the 30 day mark into my phones use I just could barely hang on with 1 bar in the house, they told me I had missed the mark to get one by about a week.
You can rent one from them for like $10/20 but that's messed up.
Now just crossing my fingers the 2.2 update will bring a better radio signal, but plywood walls suck.
Seems like some people have said they are more trouble than they are worth. I have two Evo's in the house. I don't really have signal issues but the support dude said he would send it for free so I bit.
I have one. Its awesome. And why are they sending you one if you dont have signal issues?
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can you use the airraave as a wifi router as well and connect it to a cable modem for internet access, or does it only work for Sprint's network? I would love one if it was like an all in one broadband/mobile network hotspot.
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Seems like some people have said they are more trouble than they are worth. I have two Evo's in the house. I don't really have signal issues but the support dude said he would send it for free so I bit.
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Support can't even send one. Did you get an order number? Are you sure you weren't speaking with retention?
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iwin2000 said:
can you use the airraave as a wifi router as well and connect it to a cable modem for internet access, or does it only work for Sprint's network? I would love one if it was like an all in one broadband/mobile network hotspot.
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Nope.
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It's fantastic if you have real signal issues in your house. I would be a very frustrated customer without one. I can't imagine what trouble people have with theirs; I don't even think about the damn thing 99% of the time.
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I have one. Its awesome. And why are they sending you one if you dont have signal issues?
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I'm pretty sure my problem is this....Calls placed with google voice cut off after 30 minutes
so the support guy reset all my crap, new prl, redid the activation, all the normal stuff they do. I doubt it will fix it, and he connected me to the other dept that is going to send out an air rave. I don't have great signal, but I don't think this is the issue. Sounds like it is worth trying out though.
seeing issues with ROM's
works great with stock firmware; seeing issues with CM7.0 and CM7.1 where it doesnt automatically find the air rave without my typing in *99
I used mine for a week or two, then got rid of it, too many problems. First off, the damn thing is a total bandwidth hog. Since there is no way to control what phone numbers get to use it, ALL my neighbors were apparently on it, using all my bandwidth all day long. Second, texts on both of my phones would randomly not send and not receive. Third, your phone's gps will be off. The airave puts out it's own gps signal, which is over a mile away from where it actually is, therefore your phone thinks you are a mile away, which makes using google maps to navigate somewhere a pain.
I spent hours on the phone with airave tech support, these are all "features" of the airave...I.e. the airave is programmed to give your phone a false gps reading.
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works great with stock firmware; seeing issues with CM7.0 and CM7.1 where it doesnt automatically find the air rave without my typing in *99
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I never had that problem. Hmmm...
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I used mine for a week or two, then got rid of it, too many problems. First off, the damn thing is a total bandwidth hog. Since there is no way to control what phone numbers get to use it, ALL my neighbors were apparently on it, using all my bandwidth all day long. Second, texts on both of my phones would randomly not send and not receive. Third, your phone's gps will be off. The airave puts out it's own gps signal, which is over a mile away from where it actually is, therefore your phone thinks you are a mile away, which makes using google maps to navigate somewhere a pain.
I spent hours on the phone with airave tech support, these are all "features" of the airave...I.e. the airave is programmed to give your phone a false gps reading.
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Used mine for a day and got rid of it for that very reason, I could not connect to the internet to save my life.
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I used mine for a week or two, then got rid of it, too many problems. First off, the damn thing is a total bandwidth hog. Since there is no way to control what phone numbers get to use it, ALL my neighbors were apparently on it, using all my bandwidth all day long. Second, texts on both of my phones would randomly not send and not receive. Third, your phone's gps will be off. The airave puts out it's own gps signal, which is over a mile away from where it actually is, therefore your phone thinks you are a mile away, which makes using google maps to navigate somewhere a pain.
I spent hours on the phone with airave tech support, these are all "features" of the airave...I.e. the airave is programmed to give your phone a false gps reading.
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I'm assuming you tried using the online option that allows you to restrict all phone numbers besides the one on your account & weren't successful with it?
The difference has been night & day since I did that, speed wise on the rest of my network. It still goes out every once in a while, but a reboot usually fixes it & I literally would have no service if not for having mine.
I'm assuming you tried using the online option that allows you to restrict all phone numbers besides the one on your account & weren't successful with it?
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Yes, I tried that, but it wouldn't work. I then called Airave tech support, and was told they stopped letting you do that because they were having problems with it.
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I'm assuming you tried using the online option that allows you to restrict all phone numbers besides the one on your account & weren't successful with it?
The difference has been night & day since I did that, speed wise on the rest of my network. It still goes out every once in a while, but a reboot usually fixes it & I literally would have no service if not for having mine.
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How do you do this? I have noticed that when noone is using the phones, the signal light on the Rave is blinking like someone is on it and I didnt know what that was. Also the bandwidth in my house no is horrible. I cant even watch a video on Youtube without it stopping to buffer. If you can help me with this so I can change the settings that would be great, Thx.
That really sucks, I just moved and get horrible signal but I do not want to use an Airave if it basically means all my neighbors will bog my network way down!
Signal is horrid where I live (for any service) so having the airave is a must.
How do you do this? I have noticed that when noone is using the phones, the signal light on the Rave is blinking like someone is on it and I didnt know what that was.
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If you read my post just a half inch above yours, you would see you can't do it anymore, airave blocked that feature.
I love mine, we could not use our phones in our house at all until we got ours. our neighbors live far enough away that we never have anyone using our signal, and I have pretty good internet so I doubt it would do much anyway.
Sprint offered me an Air Rave a while back ago, what exactly does it do though?
Enhance your 3G? does it work with 4G?
I have an airrave and it works great! for the most part. Lol.
I'm wondering when does sprint 3g gets better? Someone said something will happen on October.
the service is so intermittent that when on 3g, I have to give up any kind of streaming.
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My 3G where I live has been great since I joined Sprint August of last year. I get close to 2 mbps on 3G. However in other areas, it can be a paltry 300 kbps.
I'm getting spotty service. Whenever I use the speedtest app, I get all spiky data pull.
I just want consistent download speed...
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The best answer any of us can give you is, "When you wake up one day and the service if better, mark that date - that's when it will get better."
Also, when will Sprint customers and XDA members become clairvoyant?
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October 7 is when they are announcing their plans for the network. After that, we'll have a much better idea of what will be happening with network improvements, the LightSquared LTE build-out, and hopefully WiMax.
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I'm wondering when does sprint 3g gets better? Someone said something will happen on October.
the service is so intermittent that when on 3g, I have to give up any kind of streaming.
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I'm an IT guy and any streaming of any kind is not deployed wirelessly so my advice to you as the same to my clients is do your streaming with wired internet and stop relying on a phone to complete your life
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I'm wondering when does sprint 3g gets better? Someone said something will happen on October.
the service is so intermittent that when on 3g, I have to give up any kind of streaming.
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How about first half of 2012?
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/27/sprints-lte-build-out-already-underway-new-4g-network-to-launc/
Very excited that they may re-purpose the Nextel spectrum for LTE, since it will have much better building penetration.
I just did speed test when I am on downtown Greenville.
I cant do anything on 3g right now
the network vision will take a while to complete nationwide, however as they update the towers, 800 frequency will help with calls in your home, possibly evdo rev b could be announced in addition to lte (l-band) from lightsquared. It will not be pretty over the next year or so, hopefully with all the cuts they have made and service costs they've increased the money and deals that have been made will make for a truly different cellphone company.
Today's result... I going to try verizon PRL tomorrow
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My 3G where I live has been great since I joined Sprint August of last year. I get close to 2 mbps on 3G. However in other areas, it can be a paltry 300 kbps.
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I'd love to get 300kbps.
They will probably make it better when enough people buy that stupid ass iPhone they are going to start selling cause God forbid someone with an iPhone have ****ty service. LOL
I get better service than that in the middle of no where.
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I'm an IT guy and any streaming of any kind is not deployed wirelessly so my advice to you as the same to my clients is do your streaming with wired internet and stop relying on a phone to complete your life
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I disagree and I will tell you why that is. If I am at home and using my phone to download from the market, I am lucky if I can download a 1MB app within a 3 to 4 MINUTE time frame. Completely unacceptable when I pay $140 a month for service.
**EDIT** Here is the difference between 3g where I live in Phoenix, and the 1 tiny square block of 4g that's several miles from me. Keep in mind that according to Sprint I "live in an excellent coverage area"
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I disagree and I will tell you why that is. If I am at home and using my phone to download from the market, I am lucky if I can download a 1MB app within a 3 to 4 MINUTE time frame. Completely unacceptable when I pay $140 a month for service.
**EDIT** Here is the difference between 3g where I live in Phoenix, and the 1 tiny square block of 4g that's several miles from me. Keep in mind that according to Sprint I "live in an excellent coverage area"
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What's your point to that I'm referring to land based internet dsl,cable, fiber optic. I listen to pandora everywhere I go with no issues. my wireless in my house is only for phone and laptop. I have 3 pc's and a ps3 all wired. When I stream blu ray movies I don't let my $800 cisco wifi access point do it. I get one gigabit of bandwidth wired so that's why I do it wired.
Its gonna be a time when you don't need wires. phones are getting faster and faster
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Faster Sprint speeds may be coming.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1282562
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Faster Sprint speeds may be coming.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1282562
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I don't think the current problem with Sprint is their backbone, I think they lost tower sharing in many places due to an expired agreement with someone around March. I've had Sprint for nearly 10 years, my phones just don't have signal in many places that it used to and it hasn't gotten better 7 months later. If you have full bars, then the backbone upgrade will likely make things fly, if you have 1 bar or none, it isn't going to help you very much. I would love to know the percentage of complaints that are lack of signal based vs full bars and still slow throughput.
I'd also like to know when the new frequencies that Lightsquared has will begin to be added to the chipsets and implemented into the next gen phones 2012, 2013? Finally is anyone else curious to see what happens when I get a call and my Garmin GPS is on?
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What's your point to that I'm referring to land based internet dsl,cable, fiber optic. I listen to pandora everywhere I go with no issues. my wireless in my house is only for phone and laptop. I have 3 pc's and a ps3 all wired. When I stream blu ray movies I don't let my $800 cisco wifi access point do it. I get one gigabit of bandwidth wired so that's why I do it wired.
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I'm not an IT guy and I can tell you my $50 linksys router can stream simultaneously to a ps3 wii and 360 on seperate floors wirelessly so idk it seems like I'm definitely getting my moneys worth if you can't stream from a $800 cisco one
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I disagree and I will tell you why that is. If I am at home and using my phone to download from the market, I am lucky if I can download a 1MB app within a 3 to 4 MINUTE time frame. Completely unacceptable when I pay $140 a month for service.
**EDIT** Here is the difference between 3g where I live in Phoenix, and the 1 tiny square block of 4g that's several miles from me. Keep in mind that according to Sprint I "live in an excellent coverage area"
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Where's this block of 4g at?
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Just moved to a rural area and the Verizon map shows I should have either 3g or 4g (right on the edge of the line between the two) in my location. But if I hold my tongue just right, at best I may get 1 bar of 3g. And if I'm indoors, forget it. Not even voice calls or texts. Any apps to try for this? I guess I kind of doubt it.
My main question is, has anybody tried any of the signal boosters? Not the ones that use wifi, because I don't get that in my rural area either. It seems I just bought a place in an infamous dead spot. I'm talking about one of the tower mounted "repeaters" like the ones at Wilson Electronics. There is a local company that sells and installs them, for $1800! Yikes! I'm wondering if they could possibly work THAT well? Anybody have any experience with these?
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I've sort of resolved this, in case anybody runs across this thread. Not the resolution I was looking for, but something is better than nothing. I wound up having to get a local "wireless" internet connection. Instead of broadband, its an antenna that goes on the roof, and a modem that looks like it was made in the 80's that goes inside. Verizon hooked me up with a Samsung booster and it actually seems to work really well. I've only had it for a day, but so far, no dropped calls, no crackling, great sounding calls and immediate text deliveries. Oh, and the internet is rated at 4mbps in case anybody is shopping around to fix a similar problem. Wish I had more info on the Wilson, non-wifi boosters. Maybe in the future...
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Just moved to a rural area and the Verizon map shows I should have either 3g or 4g (right on the edge of the line between the two) in my location. But if I hold my tongue just right, at best I may get 1 bar of 3g. And if I'm indoors, forget it. Not even voice calls or texts. Any apps to try for this? I guess I kind of doubt it.
My main question is, has anybody tried any of the signal boosters? Not the ones that use wifi, because I don't get that in my rural area either. It seems I just bought a place in an infamous dead spot. I'm talking about one of the tower mounted "repeaters" like the ones at Wilson Electronics. There is a local company that sells and installs them, for $1800! Yikes! I'm wondering if they could possibly work THAT well? Anybody have any experience with these?
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I have no idea about signal boosters but you can try different modems and see if that helps, if you haven't already. Just put your phone in download mode and flash thru odin. You may need to be rooted if you aren't. Not 100% on being rooted to flash modems but I would be rooted to make sure. I'm on NC2 leak and that modem was awful for me. Now I'm on NC2 with the NC4 modem and it's been lovely.
Link : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=47400062&postcount=1
Thats good to know, thanks! I'm having horrible luck on NC2 as well. But my wife is using my old note 2 running an old jb rom I had on it (I think maybe cleanrom). She's having the same problems. So I know its not just the phone, it is the actual signal at this location. But I will try the modem change, since my signal has suffered everywhere else too.
Would still like info on boosters if anybody else has used them, thanks
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Thats good to know, thanks! I'm having horrible luck on NC2 as well. But my wife is using my old note 2 running an old jb rom I had on it (I think maybe cleanrom). She's having the same problems. So I know its not just the phone, it is the actual signal at this location. But I will try the modem change, since my signal has suffered everywhere else too.
Would still like info on boosters if anybody else has used them, thanks
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Okay, then maybe my info won't help if you're wife's phone signal is sucking too, but I tried.
Sorry man, wasn't trying to be rude at all, your info was much appreciated! I just downloaded and installed the NC4 modem, I'm using it as we speak. I appreciate any help that anybody on these forums offers me. Your knowledge will undoubtedly help out my situation.
That being said, I'm also looking for information from anyone that has used one of these boosters for this other particular reception problem that I'm having. I was merely stating that, while your solution will likely help my phones individual signal strength, my location is requiring a little more effort than just a phone enhancement. Sorry if I came across rude or offended in any way. Its never my intentions
You weren't rude at all dude, sorry if I gave you that impression. We're good.....
Do you have land-line phone service? I'm thinking of getting one from best buy that costs about $300. It does not use the phone line, per se. It just uses the wiring as the antenna and boosts 4g. Don't remember the name. . .
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Do you have land-line phone service? I'm thinking of getting one from best buy that costs about $300. It does not use the phone line, per se. It just uses the wiring as the antenna and boosts 4g. Don't remember the name. . .
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I don't have the service, but the old house I bought does still have the wires in it. Same thing I suppose, unless it uses the voltage thats in the wires... Good idea, I'll look into it as well. Thanks!
If you want cell phone voice coverage get a verizon network extender if you have home internet. Otherwise use a wilson electronics db pro 4g or dt4g amplifier system. Amazon sells them at a decent price