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Which Nexus Model for UK O2 use.

Basically as the title suggests........possibly being a bit dim, but would prefer confirmation that I am about to buy the correct/best model for UK use.
There are 2 sim free models, which do I need...?
The 2nd one appears to me to be "The One"
Can someone please confirm this for me.. I am buying today

Presumably you do *not* want to buy the cdma one... You should buy the one that is compatible with the t-mobile network if the UK is the country you're going to be using it in.

peadarog said:
Presumably you do *not* want to buy the cdma one... You should buy the one that is compatible with the t-mobile network if the UK is the country you're going to be using it in.
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Your post is appreciated...thanks

Choose the model that was first released, it works perfect on Orange and O2

nDrg said:
Choose the model that was first released, it works perfect on Orange and O2
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And T-Mobile UK

If you plan on traveling to North America, the 850/1900 UMTS network here is bigger than the 1700/2100. If you plan on traveling to Asia and I think Australia, there are a few networks that use the 900 band.
It doesn't matter which GSM model you get if you are only counting UK networks.

My query revolves around the google ordering site, both options appear pretty similar...
Initially I thought it was option 2 I needed but now it doesn't really matter, if I understand the replies above. I will mainly be UK based but will be in Europe occasionally.
3G is essential for obvious reasons.
1. Compatible with 3G on T-Mobile (U.S.)
Supports three 3G/UMTS bands (900/AWS/2100 MHz) and four GSM radio frequencies (850/900/1800/1900 MHz)
2. Compatible with 3G on AT&T (U.S.) and these wireless providers in Canada.
Supports three 3G/UMTS bands (850/1900/2100 MHz) and four GSM radio frequencies (850/900/1800/1900 MHz)

Get the one that as originally released. I have one & am using it on O2 UK & work great. No issues.

JAW$ said:
Get the one that as originally released. I have one & am using it on O2 UK & work great. No issues.
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Argh.....this is my question ?? which one is that from the choice of 2 on the google site.

I have seen you post in a couple of Forums and from what I have read they say get the T-MOBILE version, that is the BEST for T-MOBIL UK O2, that is the first one released,

arimus said:
I have seen you post in a couple of Forums and from what I have read they say get the T-MOBILE version, that is the BEST for T-MOBIL UK O2, that is the first one released,
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At last.........thanks for being clear and to the point.

Although both versions will work perfectly fine in the UK (all UK carriers use the 2100 UTMS band for 3G), it really depends if you ever plan on using it abroad.
Europe, Asia, Africas and Oceania (everywhere else but Americas basically) you are better off getting the 900/AWS/2100 "US T-Mobile" version as most carriers use 900/2100 band around the world.
Americas (both North and South) you are better with the 850/1900/2100 "US AT&T" version as the majority use the 850/1900 band.
I myself have the 900/AWS/2100 version because most of my usage abroad are either in Europe (France/Italy) or in Asia (Hong Kong/China). You can check the frequency band usage yourself at Wikipedia so you can lookup your favourite carriers if needed.

US T-Mobile's 3G freq vs the rest of the world?

Anyone getting the T-Mobile version tomorrow? With CDMA not SIM capable, and AT&T version still up in the air, I think I'm probably going to get one tomorrow!
I've got question regarding T-Mobile's werid 3G band tho. I think Samsung listed T-Mobile's version as AWS 1700/2100. I know 1700 is weird, but is that AWS 2100 same as the 2100 band that the rest of the world use? Sorry it's my first 3G T-mobile device, and looking on wiki or google is just kinda vague

2100MHz is the band used all across Europe as well as large parts of Asia.
So, yes, the T-Mobile one should give you 3G capability in other parts of the world, though if it's locked that may open up other issues.

Step666 said:
2100MHz is the band used all across Europe as well as large parts of Asia.
So, yes, the T-Mobile one should give you 3G capability in other parts of the world, though if it's locked that may open up other issues.
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I had a TMo US G1, and it worked fine on 3G when I returned to the UK. The converse was not true of my TMo UK G2 (HTC Hero), which would only get Edge in the US because it did not support both bands of AWS (1700/2100).
So, I see no reason why a TMo US shouldn't work pretty much everywhere else in the world where 2100 3G is ubiquitous.
Regards,
Dave

Cool thanks, i guess that AWS threw me off. I thought there were a regular 2100, and then T-Mobile's AWS 2100

Step666 said:
2100MHz is the band used all across Europe as well as large parts of Asia.
So, yes, the T-Mobile one should give you 3G capability in other parts of the world, though if it's locked that may open up other issues.
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Actually you're a bit off. Tmo's 3G runs on AWS 1700/2100 band which is not the same 2100 *frequency* as the rest of the world. Tmo uses 1700 for downloads and 2100 for uploads, so both bands (aws/band IV) are needed.
Now Europe (and rest of GSM world) use straight 2100 band for 3G but the exact frequency is not the same as Tmo's.
Basically a Tmo Galaxy Tab will only get you EDGE outside of the US. An ATT Galaxy Tab will get you 3G in the US and the rest of the world (as long as it's sim unlocked, ofcourse).

LordLugard said:
Basically a Tmo Galaxy Tab will only get you EDGE outside of the US. An ATT Galaxy Tab will get you 3G in the US and the rest of the world (as long as it's sim unlocked, ofcourse).
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No, the T-mobile phones give you also 3G in Europe. All AWS chipsets do both Band I (2100) and Band IV (AWS 1700/2100).

I thought the galaxy tab is quad band, so you can simply swap your sim card with another european carrier and it should work on thier frequency
Am I wrong?

ahbvrh said:
I thought the galaxy tab is quad band, so you can simply swap your sim card with another european carrier and it should work on thier frequency
Am I wrong?
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You're right for 2G, not for 3G

So getting the unlock code for tmobile device and putting AT&T sim card will not give me 3g connectivity (using AT&T network)?

ahbvrh said:
So getting the unlock code for tmobile device and putting AT&T sim card will not give me 3g connectivity (using AT&T network)?
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No, because it doesn't support the 850 or 1900 MHz bands.

Volker1 said:
No, the T-mobile phones give you also 3G in Europe. All AWS chipsets do both Band I (2100) and Band IV (AWS 1700/2100).
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It will not. Pls do some more reading on the subject. There's a very good writeup on it in these forum. Someone explained it better than I've probably done. If I find it I'll link to it.

LordLugard said:
It will not. Pls do some more reading on the subject.
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One could say the same to you.
This is a link to T-Mobile US's support forum, in which someone has had it confirmed from T-Mobile themselves that all devices designed for their network have to be fully compatible with the 2100MHz band, meaning they will give you 3G capabilities in Europe.
Your previous post in which you claim that the 2100MHz band that T-Mobile use is not the same as the 2100MHz band the rest of the world uses is nothing short of ridiculous.
If the band T-Mobile used was different to the one used in the rest of the world, it would not be described as 2100MHz.

LordLugard said:
It will not. Pls do some more reading on the subject. There's a very good writeup on it in these forum. Someone explained it better than I've probably done. If I find it I'll link to it.
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Sorry, but as I already said earlier in this thread, my T-Mobile US G1, which is an AWS device, worked perfectly well in the UK with full 3G. Similarly, I know of people who bought TMo Nexus Ones in the US, and these all worked fine in the UK.
That's not to say there isn't some subtle difference which not all chipsets can cater for, but it is certainly true that many TMo US handsets will give 3G capabilities in Europe.
Regards,
Dave

The normal UMTS 2100 is called "Band I" and t-mobile's AWS is called "Band IV":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
The AWS 3G module has already 2100MHz support, so there is no additional hardware necessary to support Band I as well. Theoretically it could be disabled, of course, but then T-mobile wouldn't be able to charge you an arm and a leg if you were to roam outside of the US

[Q] Unlocked Nexus S with 3G network

I want to get a Nexus S for myself, the unlocked without contract one, because I would like to use it in my home country (Malaysia).
So I would like to confirm one thing before I proceed:
I saw this from BestBuy forum FAQs:
Will an unlocked Nexus S work with carriers other than T-Mobile?
Yes, but it won’t run on 3G with all carriers. Speed and power will be reduced on non-3G networks.
Is that means that even though Nexus S did support the 3G band of my home country, it won't run on the 3G network?! Means that I can't use the 3G in my home country?

Anyone have answer for this? Anyone tried buy N1 and got the 3G working in country outside US?

gotta be 1700/2100 MHz i believe

Wont' work. Malaysia uses 2100mhz band for 3G.
The Nexus S on T-Mobile uses BOTH 1700/2100mhz AT THE SAME TIME for 3G.

It will work fine since the 3G band in Malaysia is 2100MHz and the Nexus S supports those bands.
I had the Nexus One (T-Mobile Version) in Thailand and it worked perfectly fine on 2100MHz 3G. My N900 worked as well.
Don't listen to nxt or slowz3r they have no idea of what they are talking about.

CooKies37 said:
Anyone have answer for this? Anyone tried buy N1 and got the 3G working in country outside US?
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You wont have a problem with most 3g phones in Malaysia - most of the rest of the world uses standard frequencies and the nexus s and nexus 1 work just fine.
If a phone works in Europe then it'll be fine in malaysia, and indeed most of the rest of the world.
Most of the noise on here is from people in the US where there are some weird frequencies being used... you can only use 3g on T-Mobile there -at+t uses different frequencies, and sprint and Verizon use a completely different technology.

Thank you for all the useful replies!
Got the answer. Thread Closed.

Does the Canadian Nexus 7 LTE deb work in Germany

Hello,
I heard that there are different LTE frequencies and i'm not sure if a LTE Nexus 7 bought in Canada would work in Germany? Probably this is an hardware issue and can't be changed with a custom Rom or something? Or is there a way to get it working? Thanks for your help.

MadMatt89 said:
Hello,
I heard that there are different LTE frequencies and i'm not sure if a LTE Nexus 7 bought in Canada would work in Germany? Probably this is an hardware issue and can't be changed with a custom Rom or something? Or is there a way to get it working? Thanks for your help.
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Why not buying the LTE-version at the MediaMarkt in Germany? Then you are sure LTE will work in Germany (and the rest of Europe!)!

henklbr said:
Why not buying the LTE-version at the MediaMarkt in Germany? Then you are sure LTE will work in Germany (and the rest of Europe!)!
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Maybe because I'm in Canada?

The supported LTE frequencies are different. They are listed here:
https://support.google.com/nexus/7/answer/3248332?hl=en
You will have very, very little LTE coverage with a North American N7 in Europe. Things look good for GSM/HSPA+.

tni.andro said:
The supported LTE frequencies are different. They are listed here:
https://support.google.com/nexus/7/answer/3248332?hl=en
You will have very, very little LTE coverage with a North American N7 in Europe. Things look good for GSM/HSPA+.
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So could I use the n7 but it will most likely just get HSPA+?
But it is hardware locked isnt it? So I can't change the bands with software?

MadMatt89 said:
So could I use the n7 but it will most likely just get HSPA+?
But it is hardware locked isnt it? So I can't change the bands with software?
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Theoretically - but since Qualcomm is keeping the tech notes for the WRT1605L chip very hard to obtain - and since there is no software to do this - and since it's entirely possible the chip is 'select once' (I've read through the API for the chipset and can find lots of 'look up the settings' but no 'change the settings' commands), I would say 'not gonna happen soon'.
In fact, it's slightly worse than you might think. Canada uses bands 4 and 7 which ARE included in the European model, but only band 4 is included in the US model - so we're already taking a compatibility hit. Even worse, the US model only uses six of the seven bands the chip can support at one time - you'd think they'd have thrown in 7 just for compatibility reasons.
In any case, the 'unlocked' they refer to is 'carrier unlocked' which means you can use it with any carrier... not unlocked as in 'you can change the bands'.

I think the unit sold in Canada is the "Rest Of World" unit, since there is more overlap between the Canadian LTE frequencies than the North America / Japan unit.

TDBearCT said:
I think the unit sold in Canada is the "Rest Of World" unit, since there is more overlap between the Canadian LTE frequencies than the North America / Japan unit.
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I contacted the Google customer service and they said thats true, Canada belongs to the "Rest Of World"

TDBearCT said:
I think the unit sold in Canada is the "Rest Of World" unit, since there is more overlap between the Canadian LTE frequencies than the North America / Japan unit.
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Sadly - this is incorrect statement . I bought mine and it does not connect to LTE. I called rogers Canada and they said you need LTE 2600MHz to be able to connect at the LTE rate. So i called Google Play and after 45 minutes in the call , they said bottom line is if you in Canada ( which is North America, d'oh! ) you are not getting 2600MHz on your Nexus 7. And Basta !
... does this make any sense ???

dinar said:
Sadly - this is incorrect statement . I bought mine and it does not connect to LTE. I called rogers Canada and they said you need LTE 2600MHz to be able to connect at the LTE rate. So i called Google Play and after 45 minutes in the call , they said bottom line is if you in Canada ( which is North America, d'oh! ) you are not getting 2600MHz on your Nexus 7. And Basta !
... does this make any sense ???
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This information is incorrect or at least outdated. Rogers supports the 2100 MHz and 2600 MHz LTE bands. Hardware-wise, the 2100 MHz band is supported on the Nexus 7 (US/Canada); the 2600 MHz band is only supported on the International Nexus 7. The 2100 MHz band is the default band for Rogers LTE -- everywhere that Rogers has deployed LTE, they have deployed 2100 MHz. I personally use my Nexus 7 (US/Canada) on the Rogers network, with LTE, and it works fine.
However, if you want to use the Rogers "LTE Max" service, then yes, you need both 2100 MHz and 2600 MHz. LTE Max uses both frequency bands to increase throughput. On LTE Max, 150Mb/s downstream rates are theoretically achievable. The regular Rogers LTE, on the 2100 MHz band (without 2600 MHz) can only reach 75Mb/s downstream. The Rogers 2600 MHz band is only active in a very few areas (mainly very big cities). Outside of these few areas, you can't get LTE Max, and the only way to get any LTE at all is via 2100 MHz.
Personally, I have no problem with "only" 75Mb/s downstream.

[Q] Using my Galaxy S5 G900F in Canada?

Hi all, I'm wondering if I may trouble you with a quick question.
I recently bought a Galaxy S5 (Galaxy S5 G900F) in the hopes to have it future proof as I move to Canada next year and would like to have a solid phone for about two - three years. I'm based in Ireland at the moment and wondering can the phone be used in Canada without issue?
I was looking at a phone company (Koodo) who offer great rates and once I inputted my IMEI it stated my phone wouldn't work on their network.
Surely the S5 would work on any network throughout the globe? Last year my Note 3 worked perfectly in America and it was an international edition also.
Is this a hardware issue (radios) or software (were a simple flash of a different rom could fix)?
Any help and advice would be greatly appreciated.
Regards

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Surely the S5 would work on any network throughout the globe?
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Okay, let me ask you this question. If the S5 should work around the world.. why does Samsung have a dozen S5 variants?
Figured it out yet? Ironically the hardware is capable of supporting all GSM and LTE bands world wide. But Samsung endeavors to sell their phones for higher prices in more affluent countries. And carriers don't want to make it easy for you to jump ship and sign your phone up to another network. So they have artificial restrictions in the firmware and other measures e.g. region locking, SIM locks, to limit what you can do. They have to allow enough compatibility that you could usually roam when traveling. But not complete compatibility or you might buy a cheaper S5 from another country. Or change carriers willy nilly.
Yup, great system.
And so it is for your phone. It will work most of the time in Canada. But it isn't 100% compatible and you may find that it can't operate on the necessary bands in fringe areas or for niche carriers.
Most of the bands are the same between the S5 900F (yours) and the S5 900W8 (Canada)
The differences, I believe are:
2G: same for both
3G: Most bands are the same. But you have B8(900) in place of Canadian band B4(1700 aka AWS)
4G: Most bands are the same. But you have B5(850), B20(800) instead of Canadian bands B4(1700 aka AWS), B17(700)
In the case of Fido, their site says:
Fido said:
Things to Know
Your device must be compatible with the Fido network, which uses GSM, UMTS, HSPA and HSPA+ at 850 MHz and 1900 MHz and LTE at 2100 MHz and 2600 MHz. If you are unsure of how to check the frequencies your device supports, try the manufacturer's official website and search for the specifications for your particular phone/smartphone model;
If your device is currently locked, it needs to be unlocked by the carrier you bought it from;
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It appears to me that your phone supports all of the Fido bands. And most, but not all of the bands on other Canadian carriers. I don't believe that your phone will work at all on niche carriers Wind or Mobilicity.
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fffft said:
Okay, let me ask you this question. If the S5 should work around the world.. why does Samsung have a dozen S5 variants?
Figured it out yet? Ironically the hardware is capable of supporting all GSM and LTE bands world wide. But Samsung endeavors to sell their phones for higher prices in more affluent countries. And carriers don't want to make it easy for you to jump ship and sign your phone up to another network. So they have artificial restrictions in the firmware and other measures e.g. region locking, SIM locks, to limit what you can do. They have to allow enough compatibility that you could usually roam when traveling. But not complete compatibility or you might buy a cheaper S5 from another country. Or change carriers willy nilly.
Yup, great system.
And so it is for your phone. It will work most of the time in Canada. But it isn't 100% compatible and you may find that it can't operate on the necessary bands in fringe areas or for niche carriers.
Most of the bands are the same between the S5 900F (yours) and the S5 900W8 (Canada)
The differences, I believe are:
2G: same for both
3G: Most bands are the same. But you have B8(900) in place of Canadian band B4(1700 aka AWS)
4G: Most bands are the same. But you have B5(850), B20(800) instead of Canadian bands B4(1700 aka AWS), B17(700)
In the case of Fido, their site says:
It appears to me that your phone supports all of the Fido bands. And most, but not all of the bands on other Canadian carriers. I don't believe that your phone will work at all on niche carriers Wind or Mobilicity.
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Thank you very much for your reply. I figured it would be something to do with the radio.. Will check the bands for the network Koodoo, if it falls in ok and I can find a firmware to flash which hopefully should do the trick. Hell I might even just sell before I go, make it easier.
Cheers

gbyrne2011 said:
Will check the bands for the network Koodoo
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Koodo is a secondary brand of Telus.
They use 3G 850 CLR/1900 PCS
And 4G /LTE 1700/2100 (and possibly 700 in the future)
You are missing their 1700 LTE band, sometimes referred to as AWS. So you will have to find out how extensively they use that band and whether it is a sole frequency in any areas.
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fffft said:
Koodo is a secondary brand of Telus.
They use 3G 850 CLR/1900 PCS
And 4G /LTE 1700/2100 (and possibly 700 in the future)
You are missing their 1700 LTE band, sometimes referred to as AWS. So you will have to find out how extensively they use that band and whether it is a sole frequency in any areas.
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Thanks very much for all your help fffft, it's much appreciated.