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[Q] Apps on sd

Ok I've got a stupid question but havent stumbled across the answer yet... HTC Aria, I've found plenty of info that says you can move apps over to the sd card to free up phone memory but I cant find the option to do this. I've gone through the settings menu, gone to the apps, but there is no button to 'move to sd'. Do I need to upgrade this phone to 2.2 in order to do this?
Personally I'm using the Samsung Captivate loaded with 2.2 and have no problems moving apps over to the card. Even apps that are 'apps2sd' enabled dont have the option to move on the Aria, apps that I was able to move around on my Captivate dont show the option on the htc.
Rooting and custom roms are not an issue for the user, they just keep getting 'out of memory' messages and asked me to fix the phone. The only downside to loading the official 2.2 update is the fact that all data is lost but I do have some spare time to reload everything - I just dont want to waste my time downloading and running the update if it still wont let me move apps over to the sd card. Thanks for the help

Android's built-in support for moving some applications to the SD card (apps2sd) requires Froyo (2.2), so that is why you aren't seeing the option. It is supported in the official 2.2 update for the Aria.
Those of us here don't like to recommend updating to the official 2.2 release because it makes it impossible to root your phone or install custom ROMs at a later point in time. There are a few custom ROMs available on this forum that can give you 2.2 Sense on the phone with things like sideloading and free tethering enabled, and most of the AT&T preloaded apps removed. However if you're OK with AT&T's limitations and don't have a problem not being able to use custom ROMs, then that's your prerogative.

Hey I have a question to I have cm7 and can all applications go to sd card like Widgets and all I have rc4
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AriaUSer_ said:
Hey I have a question to I have cm7 and can all applications go to sd card like Widgets and all I have rc4
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Widgets will not work if you move them to the sd
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Hey I have a question to I have cm7 and can all applications go to sd card like Widgets and all I have rc4
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not with the built in a2sd. but if you create an ext2 or ext3 partition on your sd card you can use the s2e app from the market to move apps to the sd card and still use your widgets.

CallMeAria said:
not with the built in a2sd. but if you create an ext2 or ext3 partition on your sd card you can use the s2e app from the market to move apps to the sd card and still use your widgets.
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Just to clarify (and potentially save someone some trouble), S2E only works with ext3, not ext2.
Also S2E only works with CM7, don't try it with any other ROMs!

Running out of space

As the title suggests on my N1 i keep running out of memory space. I use APP2SD but not all of the apps can get transfered. So what can i do to fix this problem? Some apps like Shazam i need,K-9,handcent, Flextp, but apps like Quickoffice and books i dont need but those wont delete.Any advice?

Install Titanium Backup.
Use to to either uninstall the apps you dont want (including ones built into ROM if youre rooted) AND/OR us it to force apps to the SD card.

KidTech said:
but apps like Quickoffice and books i dont need but those wont delete.
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Since they're in /system/app, you cannot delete them without rooting. And even if you can delete them, it won't help you to solve your problem. If you want many application without having space problem, you need to root, install custom rom, use Apps2SD(it will install applications to SD card Ext partition) or Data2Ext.

I'm in the same boat as well. I am consistently hovering around 21-22 mb free. With all the recent updates, it eats up all my memory.
Freaking flash is still 12 mb, google maps is 9.7 mb, music 7.7 etc. Half the google apps I don't even use such as books 4.3 mb and goggles 3.8 mb.
I have to uninstall a few programs every once in a while so I can update another...uggh I guess Google didn't see this coming when they made the n1!

I'm with you. It's annoying as crap.
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Try to see if you can find move2SD Enabler (not sure if it's on the market). It forces your apps to be able to move to SD card. It requires you to be rooted so I'm not sure if that's up your alley or not

Really rooting is your only solution. With root you can have hundreds of MB free, or even cyanogen ROM lets you move all apps giving me 120 MB free with my 89 apps installed.

RogerPodacter said:
Really rooting is your only solution. With root you can have hundreds of MB free, or even cyanogen ROM lets you move all apps giving me 120 MB free with my 89 apps installed.
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Are you using dalvik to sd too? Im using dtapps2sd and i get between 18--23mb of free space on any given day. My sd card is too slow for dalvik to sd, and anything below 20mb and i stop getting things like email notifications.

If you are rooted... and if you have a decent SD Card (I just use the one that came with mine). I would suggest putting something on it that supports Darktremor. I swear by it for sure... after setting up an sd-ext... installing Darktremor and then running cachesd... I have tons of programs on my phone and I constantly put more on and have not had any issues since. Before, I would run out of memory even with dta2sd. I started removing stuff I didn't use often then decided to finally try out cache2sd and... now... no more problems. It seems like it might be a bit slower on the startup than before (though I never tested to see if it actually is or by how much) but after that it seems to run smooth as silk for me with tons of room to spare. My sd-ext is only 512 MB but you can modify it as you like with the proper partitioning utilities.
Though... this suggestion comes with the advice that you might want to know a bit about what it is I am suggesting before you actually do it. Read into it before you try anything.

Others have lightly touched on it, but most of the google apps are installed directly to the /system partition which is separate from where your downloaded apps are installed. Really, the only way to get additional space is by rooting your phone. The easiest thing to do would be to get Titanium Backup and merge all the updates for system apps back into the ROM. Whenever a system app gets updated, the updated program chews up your available space unless you merge it back into the ROM.
There are also additional options like apps2sdext, but they get a little more advanced as it requires partitioning the sdcard.

liam.lah said:
Are you using dalvik to sd too? Im using dtapps2sd and i get between 18--23mb of free space on any given day. My sd card is too slow for dalvik to sd, and anything below 20mb and i stop getting things like email notifications.
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honestly i am lazy, so the only thing i did was use the stock cyanogen allow any app move to sd setting. and it really made a difference. i guess if i wanted to install games that are 200 mb then this wouldnt help. but this method gave like 110mb free so i was happy enough with that.
i never researched the cache2sd or darktremor's method.
also in the past i did use root explorer to move some things from system/ to data/ etc to maximize as much as possible.

There is actually a method that can force enable "Move to SD" button for all apps. Check this link for more info
http://androidforums.com/desire-tips-tricks/160560-force-apps-install-sd-without-root.html
However, please be reminded that this implementation is actually based on the Google's app2sd.
So if you move apps with Widgets to SD, they will fail to launch the next time you reboot your phone
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bassmadrigal said:
Really, the only way to get additional space is by rooting your phone. The easiest thing to do would be to get Titanium Backup and merge all the updates for system apps back into the ROM. Whenever a system app gets updated, the updated program chews up your available space unless you merge it back into the ROM.
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Finally! This works, thanks for the tip. It was soooo obvious, but I had never used Ti for this. Tap&hold and choose "Integrate update into ROM".
I just did that to Facebook, Twitter and Google Maps & got over 25 megs new space immediately.

liam.lah said:
Are you using dalvik to sd too? Im using dtapps2sd and i get between 18--23mb of free space on any given day. My sd card is too slow for dalvik to sd, and anything below 20mb and i stop getting things like email notifications.
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Any card besides pure crap is fast enough for Dalvik2SD.
And this thread is absolutely pointless. This was discussed like 100000 times. There's ONE real solution - and it's A2SD, Apps2EXT, Data2EXT, and another zillion of names for the same thing - rooting, repartitioning SD card, and moving the apps and Dalvik-cache to the EXT partition. All the other solutions are temporary, and while giving some more air to breathe, don't really solve anything for anyone that downloads enough apps.
FAQ, question 9.

Jack, I'm looking into tweaking my partition table to make use of the/cache that hardly gets used in CM.
Do you know much about it?
My biggest problem is getting solid information on the N1 partitions, since I've stumbled across conflicting info...
Any help/guidance would be appreciated!

I guess the most guidance is in the Unrevoked site, the guys who achieved S-OFF on Desire. They have a bootloader that can change the partition sizes, and there's a post on Desire forum with the explanations of booting kernel while switching the partition sizes by passing boot parameters to the kernel.
The problem with Nexus is that unlike Desire, the bootloader will still see the original partitions. So if you change the recovery and the kernel to run with different values, overriding default partitioning (which you can do - it's explained for Desire, I remember reading a thread with explanations there), the bootloader won't play the game. Boot and Recovery will have to remain in place, otherwise the phone won't boot. And if anything goes wrong and the recovery won't boot one day - you'll need to repartition the ROM from the bootloader again and install stock to get going. Lots of work.
What you can do, and what might be better/easier to do, is just to link part of your ROM there - install system apps to /cache, for example, or such. Just remember not to wipe it then

Thanks for the heads up, Jack!
Still got a lot of reading to do on this one...

I have around 168 apps and with 'round 32mbs available ...FYI I am using CyanogenMod
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I have over 200 apps with 42+ mb free... I still wanna play with my partitions... xD

Jack_R1 said:
Any card besides pure crap is fast enough for Dalvik2SD.
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I did use dalvik 2sd for a while, I believe I'm using a 16gb kingston class2. While the phone was still certainly usable, there was a noticeable decrease in performance.

Will rooting allow me to move apps to SD, or do I need to reflash ROM?

I've had my Evo 4G for almost a year now and I really havent felt the need to upgrade the ROM on it, which is surprising for me since I usually put a custom OS on my phones the day I buy them (coming from a windows mobile background) .
The only issue I have that I would like to rectify is app space. I keep getting the low disk space warning and telling me to remove apps.
I was wondering, if I root the device is there a way to push apps that do not have "move to SD" enabled over to the SD anyway? Facebook and Twitter for instance would be much better off on the SD since they build up huge data caches and need to be cleared all the time when on the phones memory.
Or, is there a way to re-size the phones memory allocations without doing a full re-flash if it's rooted?
Any thoughts/opinions are appreciated. Thanks!

You can do this stock as of froyo. You can do this through the applications setting menu or use an app that will help. I've used sdmove

If you root you could use a script created by darktremor. There's a thread on here if you search for darktremor a2sd. It frees up 3/4 of your internal memory, it works pretty well

pandamaja said:
You can do this stock as of froyo. You can do this through the applications setting menu or use an app that will help. I've used sdmove
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I tried that app a while ago and it really wasn't that big of a help. Certain apps (like Facebook and twitter) still could not be moved.
roids87 said:
If you root you could use a script created by darktremor. There's a thread on here if you search for darktremor a2sd. It frees up 3/4 of your internal memory, it works pretty well
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Thanks! I will take a look at that. It may be just what I need.

If you root you can partition your sd card and use dta2sd and it will move all your apps to the extsd even ones with widgets it works great .
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Rooting your phone with a ROM that's at least 2.2 will allow for app2sd use, however, you do not have to ROOT to use app2sd. If you do not wish to ROOT your phone, You need to run at least stock version 2.2 to be able to use app2sd.
I had a HERO that ran 2.1 and app2sd did not work, then I got my EVO with 2.2 and app2sd worked fine. Neither the HERO or EVO were rooted at the time.
Also remember that some apps must stay resident to work and can not be moved to your sd. Many of the app2sd apps will show you what can and can't be moved.
Good Luck.....

So... how does memory work on Froyo?

I'm sitting here with 13mb free on my phone and 3gb free on my card... Tried to install a 400kb app and keep getting "not enough memory"... what gives?
I went in and uninstalled 2 apps from my SD card and now it lets me install that app.

Link2SD works wonders...

telegraph0000 said:
Link2SD works wonders...
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Will try it, I was talk to use App2SD and thats what I have now.

Im using Link2SD on my phone after update to 2.2 I seem to have less free internal memory on Froyo then I did on Eclair. Must be more ATT bloatware on the Froyo update then the phone had on it stock.

boazjuggalo said:
I'm sitting here with 13mb free on my phone and 3gb free on my card... Tried to install a 400kb app and keep getting "not enough memory"... what gives?
I went in and uninstalled 2 apps from my SD card and now it lets me install that app.
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You need min 40mb free to install froto

thebluetoothkid said:
You need min 40mb free to install froto
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Yea... Froyo is already installed. This is after you have Froyo that I'm talking about.

telegraph0000 said:
Link2SD works wonders...
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Any advice getting it set up? I am using Easeus and formatted the card (8gb) and put main partition to 7gb Fat32 and secondary to 1gb Fat32 (guide said Ext2 but when i opened phone it said to use Fat32) and when I open app I get "Mount scrip cannot be created. mount: Invalid argument"

I'm confused, and I haven't updated my flip side yet, but why would one use link2sd on Froyo? Isn't Froyo, suppose to allow us to install apps on the sd card?

My experience to why you want to use link2sd.
I successfully updated to the motorola froyo official release. Im loving how much faster everything runs. Able to root successfully with superoneclick and used titanium backup to remove att crapware. However here is my issue. I used link2sd previously on eclair. Had about 50+ apps on phone with about 40% give or take free. So I was so excited about the apps to sd in froyo. Well, I tried putting back all my apps, using an app I got from market for apps2sd and link2sd for those unable to move per the app. With link2sd, I lost no phone space but as the apps that could be moved got moved to the sd via the market app, my phone space went BYE BYE. Down to 0% free. WTH is going on? I just did a factory reset and am going to try just link2sd and see what happens. Anyone else running into this problem or am I alone in this?
I am linked with all my previous apps, plus have downloaded more. Still at 40% memory free. HTH

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any one get the white notification led working?

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SD Card Problems

Ok so I don't know if anyone else has had issues with their SD card since the update but I've been constantly having problems. When looking at my pictures i'm always gettin the "sd card not present." And I think it has been causing issues with me downloading and updating apps too. Anyone else been having these troubles and if so...any solutions? Please and thank you for any help.

Since my phone is rooted... and I have root explorer...
I know one of the problems you're having is the card is mounting itself read-only... no idea why...
Though since I figured that out... I have other problems...
I wish I could go back to eclair... it worked solo much better on this piece of ****
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Hmm, yea that's weird. I don't know why it does that either. But I agree...Eclair ran so much smoother. And I could install more apps on my phone...this thing has indeed been trash....

I had some similar errors, they seemed to be related to link2sd and the upgrade. I completely formatted my sd card, remade the link2sd partition, and reinstalled froyo directly instead of updating from eclair, and haven't had any problems since.

Reinstalled directly from where?? How???

Using RSD Lite, I flashed the Froyo sbf. Specifically, it's SAGE_U3_3.4.2-159.17_SecATT_SIGNATT_USASAGE02B25ND0ATTNA02E.0R_SAGEFRATT_P011_HWp4_1FF.sbf. There are a few links to it here on the forums, it's a fresh install of froyo instead of upgrading from eclair, you start with much more free space to work with. Updating the system apps will eat into it pretty quickly, but if you use Titanium Backup to cook the updates into the rom you can keep quite a bit of free space.

Been thru 3 sbf flashes... with link2sd... with apps2sd...
It still ****ing locks... it still ****ing freezes...
I hate being so close to new phones coming out...
Else I'd throw this thing thru the wall
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Yea I've flashed the sbf and i'm still having issues...

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Using RSD Lite, I flashed the Froyo sbf. Specifically, it's SAGE_U3_3.4.2-159.17_SecATT_SIGNATT_USASAGE02B25ND0ATTNA02E.0R_SAGEFRATT_P011_HWp4_1FF.sbf. There are a few links to it here on the forums, it's a fresh install of froyo instead of upgrading from eclair, you start with much more free space to work with. Updating the system apps will eat into it pretty quickly, but if you use Titanium Backup to cook the updates into the rom you can keep quite a bit of free space.
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How do you use Titanium Backup to "cook the updates into the rom?"

You'll need a registered version of Titanium Backup. If you haven't bought it already I really recommend it, it's the single most useful app I've had on android. Go into the backup/restore tab, scroll down and find the app that you updated. It'll be listed in red, meaning it's a /system app, but it'll say (update) next to it, indicating the update is on the internal storage. Long press it, and there will be an option that says something like "move update to /system" or similar. Press that, and it will remove the original version from /system, and move the update in it's place.
You can also move apps to /system this way, long press any normal app and there's an option for "convert to system app" that will move it over. I deleted a lot of the bloat apps, as well as all of the default ringtones, and had plenty of free space to move some of my most-used apps over to /system.
Right now, I have 26.1 MB free in /system, 60.5 MB free in /data, and something like 300 MB worth of apps on my second SD card partition.

Ok I'll try that using Titanium....did you delete the ringtones using Titanium or Root Explorer?

Man this crap somehow made my data worse...I deleted some apps and moved some to system and now I'm almost out of storage....Integrating the update into Rom screwed me up!