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epic 4g has working gps, good news for us?

http://www.engadget.com/
If they are running the same gps hardware and theirs works, means its software .....
http://www.engadget.com/

So...the GPS hardware in the Vibrant and Captivate is identical to that in the Epic 4G, right?

dex1701 said:
So...the GPS hardware in the Vibrant and Captivate is identical to that in the Epic 4G, right?
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I sure hope so. If so it is 100% software

smashpunks said:
I sure hope so. If so it is 100% software
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Yeah, that's my concern. If the hardware is identical this is good news...if not it doesn't really help us much.
I wish they would give more info about GPS performance on the Epic...number of satellites locked, cold lock time with no aGPS, etc.

dex1701 said:
Yeah, that's my concern. If the hardware is identical this is good news...if not it doesn't really help us much.
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Yea true, but why would it be any different?
Not like in the month since they really got complaints would they have changed hardware...
I agree though. We need to know for sure if its the same hardware...

smashpunks said:
Yea true, but why would it be any different?
Not like in the month since they really got complaints would they have changed hardware...
I agree though. We need to know for sure if its the same hardware...
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Yeah, it's probably the same. I'm just slightly concerned that they might have done things a little differently 1.) because it's a CDMA phone and it might be a tad different anyway and 2.) because Samsung has likely known about the GPS issue since before the Galaxy S was released. I don't know if they would have had time to tweak anything in the Epic's hardware, but here's hoping they didn't.

dex1701 said:
Yeah, it's probably the same. I'm just slightly concerned that they might have done things a little differently 1.) because it's a CDMA phone and it might be a tad different anyway and 2.) because Samsung has likely known about the GPS issue since before the Galaxy S was released. I don't know if they would have had time to tweak anything in the Epic's hardware, but here's hoping they didn't.
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I just don't see what could be defective in our hardware causing a issue, could, but I just don't see it. Here's to hoping they kept things the same and just got it properly working.

smashpunks said:
I just don't see what could be defective in our hardware causing a issue, could, but I just don't see it. Here's to hoping they kept things the same and just got it properly working.
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I agree. When it works, it works well and it works fast. I've found that if I turn off wi-fi then turn it back on again it sometimes gets things to move. Or if I open TeleNav then exit again (before even seeing a map), the GPS seems to work for a bit. The fact that it is so intermittent makes me think it is software related. Hardware problems usually don't show up as working perfectly, then not at all, then sucking, then perfectly again.

Tpavey said:
I agree. When it works, it works well and it works fast. I've found that if I turn off wi-fi then turn it back on again it sometimes gets things to move. Or if I open TeleNav then exit again (before even seeing a map), the GPS seems to work for a bit. The fact that it is so intermittent makes me think it is software related. Hardware problems usually don't show up as working perfectly, then not at all, then sucking, then perfectly again.
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That's some good points, I mean how could that gps chip gets released not working? And why wouldn't it work? I believe they will fix this, especially if we find out the gps chip in the 4g is the same as the GSM ones.....
Roll it out with froyo early Sept and shock us all is my dream.lol

Trust but verify, as the man said said. So I want to see some rigorous testing by peers here before making a decision.
Nonetheless, the fact that Samsung would go on the record about the Epic is good news for Sprint. The fact that the statement is still weaseling about the September update to "optimize GPS performance" on the Vibrant and Captivate -- a different status than that bestowed on the Epic in the statement-- is a little troubling.
An optimistic reading of the statement might be that the reason Sprint delayed the rollout of the Epic -- and it apparently was delayed, according to the scuttlebutt on Sprint forums -- was to make time to incorporate the new firmware. That's what I would have tried to do, if I were Sprint management. Also, Sprint may have started sooner or accelerated the effort to ensure that the branded variant of the firmware was "tested and validated." Hopefully, T-Mobile and AT&T will also attain that status.
In my personal opinion, I find the general design and features of the Epic interesting compared to the Vibrant. Since my marriage vows to T-Mobile are not yet renewed, I might consider jumping to Sprint. But I wouldn't commit to either until I am convinced there is not a hard-stop GPS issue. One thing in Sprint's favor is that they offer a 30-day grace period for testing and trial, as opposed to T-Mobile's 14 days.

boomerbubba said:
Trust but verify, as the man said said. So I want to see some rigorous testing by peers here before making a decision.
Nonetheless, the fact that Samsung would go on the record about the Epic is good news for Sprint. The fact that the statement is still weaseling about the September update to "optimize GPS performance" on the Vibrant and Captivate -- a different status than that bestowed on the Epic in the statement-- is a little troubling.
An optimistic reading of the statement might be that the reason Sprint delayed the rollout of the Epic -- and it apparently was delayed, according to the scuttlebutt on Sprint forums -- was to make time to incorporate the new firmware. That's what I would have tried to do, if I were Sprint management. Also, Sprint may have started sooner or accelerated the effort to ensure that the branded variant of the firmware was "tested and validated." Hopefully, T-Mobile and AT&T will also attain that status.
In my personal opinion, I find the general design and features of the Epic interesting compared to the Vibrant. Since my marriage vows to T-Mobile are not yet renewed, I might consider jumping to Sprint. But I wouldn't commit to either until I am convinced there is not a hard-stop GPS issue. One thing in Sprint's favor is that they offer a 30-day grace period for testing and trial, as opposed to T-Mobile's 14 days.
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Why does every take the word "optimized" as bad? That's basically all of needs. I just don't see that as a negative statement ...
I for one hate keyboards.. the more moving parts the more hardware issues.. coming from a tp1 and tp2, I just don't like how buttons feel after a while . Tp1 keyboard died and the tp2 keyboard keys stopped working unless pressed hard.
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I like the flash and the texturized back.. its cool... gonna be a rocking phone.
I definitely wouldn't change providers for the same phone, but that's me..
I just hope sprints is fixed and we got the same hardware.
I bet we got to wait now because samsung put all the Time in getting the sprints version out and working.. now hopefully its our turn..
Our waiting will pay off soon I'm sure of it.

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Why does every take the word "optimized" as bad? That's basically all of needs. I just don't see that as a negative statement ...
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I agree. Perhaps they don't understand what it means. Just sayin.

I used the fix on the development section for stock roms and did exactly as it told changed servers cleared gps data and ran a test until i got atleast 10 gps sat locks now it rocks its literally all up in my cool aid now.
I always feel like somebody's watching me!

DKYang said:
I agree. Perhaps they don't understand what it means. Just sayin.
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Inconceivable!!!

well, apparently, the gps fix is now coming in the next few weeks according to engadget mobile via an anonymous t mobile rep.
It seems like Sprint rushed the new firmware to get the Epic out ASAP, while T Mobile and AT&T are taking their time to test the new firmware. Others have reported speed increases as well.
It would appear that t mobile is now testing the firmware. If this is the case, I would expect it sooner rather than later. Early to mid september now sounds very likely.

clivo360 said:
It would appear that t mobile is now testing the firmware. If this is the case, I would expect it sooner rather than later. Early to mid september now sounds very likely.
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Actually, if you read the T-Mobile memo -- the part meant for internal consumption, not the quoted line to be given to customers -- it indicates that the final rollout to all end users might slip beyond September (my emphasis):
The software update is expected to roll out beginning in September.
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Stay FAR away from Vibrant/Captivate or any other Galaxy S variant

For those thinking about getting the Vibrant/Captivate or pretty much any variant of the Galaxy S DO NOT.
I contacted them via FB and this is the only answer they sent me
"We are working on it. We're sorry about this issue. Please be patient as we know how important this is. Thanks for reaching out!"
I have just received and activated my phone with dum, dum, dum... AT&T and this phone has nothing but GPS issues while I have to admit everything else works fine and is definitely fast.
There is absolutely no way of it accurately doing a turn by turn Navigation with Google Maps.
Ive even resorted to doing a supposed fix and nothing if anything it made the major problem worse.
Same has been reported with the T-Mobile version of the phone.
I highly regret leaving T-Mobile now because the reception was a lot better with them as well.
No wonder tons of people bad mouth AT&T, LOL.
Proof below, stick to the other manufacturers guys... Samsung is testing the waters and these phones should have NEVER been released prior to having it 100% functional.
---->> http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/samsung-galaxy-s-gps-gate-two-problems-not-one-and-what-to-do/5#comments

legend221 said:
For those thinking about getting the Vibrant/Captivate or pretty much any variant of the Galaxy S DO NOT.
I contacted them via FB and this is the only answer they sent me
"We are working on it. We're sorry about this issue. Please be patient as we know how important this is. Thanks for reaching out!"
I have just received and activated my phone with dum, dum, dum... AT&T and this phone has nothing but GPS issues while I have to admit everything else works fine and is definitely fast.
There is absolutely no way of it accurately doing a turn by turn Navigation with Google Maps.
Ive even resorted to doing a supposed fix and nothing if anything it made the major problem worse.
Same has been reported with the T-Mobile version of the phone.
I highly regret leaving T-Mobile now because the reception was a lot better with them as well.
No wonder tons of people bad mouth AT&T, LOL.
Proof below, stick to the other manufacturers guys... Samsung is testing the waters and these phones should have NEVER been released prior to having it 100% functional.
---->> http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/samsung-galaxy-s-gps-gate-two-problems-not-one-and-what-to-do/5#comments
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Why didnt you wait for g2?

Hey OP!
Have you EVER tried the Vibrant or Captivate? I have the Vibrant and I have had no problems with the GPS. I use the turn by turn directions daily!
You need to know what you are talking about! Yes, there is a documented problem, but that doesn't mean that the GPS is unusable, and NO I haven't applied the GPS fix.

Ace42 said:
Why didnt you wait for g2?
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Ive bought Samsung phone before and I haven't ran into any major issues like this.
The G2 would definitely be a better option.
Thinking Im going to jump to the Sony X10, I hear that they are going to have the CyanogenMod on it pretty soon.

rwbarnes67 said:
Hey OP!
Have you EVER tried the Vibrant or Captivate? I have the Vibrant and I have had no problems with the GPS. I use the turn by turn directions daily!
You need to know what you are talking about! Yes, there is a documented problem, but that doesn't mean that the GPS is unusable, and NO I haven't applied the GPS fix.
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You're trying to come at me like everyone is going to have a working unit Barnes.
Just because YOU got lucky doesn't mean anyone else that buys it will.
There is already a "fix" in the works for units that have faulty GPS but whether it works or if its actually able to fix the issue is another story.
Read this and please don't post again if YOU don't know what you are talking about.

rwbarnes67 said:
Hey OP!
Have you EVER tried the Vibrant or Captivate? I have the Vibrant and I have had no problems with the GPS. I use the turn by turn directions daily!
You need to know what you are talking about! Yes, there is a documented problem, but that doesn't mean that the GPS is unusable, and NO I haven't applied the GPS fix.
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Maybe you are also confused, bring up an address and press the option that says navigation.
See that big blue area around your position THAT is not true GPS and it is only guessing where you are from cell towers.
Like others have said it will not accurately tell you where you are, you can not trust the voice directions at all.
That is faulty and yes Samsung, AT&T, T-Mobile and any other service provider should not be selling these units until it is fixed.

legend221 said:
Maybe you are also confused, bring up an address and press the option that says navigation.
See that big blue area around your position THAT is not true GPS and it is only guessing where you are from cell towers.
Like others have said it will not accurately tell you where you are, you can not trust the voice directions at all.
That is faulty and yes Samsung, AT&T, T-Mobile and any other service provider should not be selling these units until it is fixed.
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That Little blue arrow that tells me EXACTLY where I am on the map as I'm zooming down the freeway and accurately tells me every exit as I'm passing them? I know what I am talking about! And the turn by turn instructions work for me and it re-routes when I miss a street.
OK!!!! You all! You know EVERYTHING and I know NOTHING!
That is all! Sorry for putting in my 2 cents!
By the way, I've been on Android since the G1 in November of 2008. Rooted with the first Jesus Freke roms thru Haykuru and Dudes roms to Cyan and have been doing the same with my Vibrant.
But OK. You guys are THE EXPERTS.
And by the way, you guys never stated whether or not you own a Vibrant.

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I have nothing to say!

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By the way, I've been on Android since the G1 in November of 2008. Rooted with the first Jesus Freke roms thru Haykuru and Dudes roms to Cyan and have been doing the same with my Vibrant.
But OK. You guys are THE EXPERTS.
And by the way, you guys never stated whether or not you own a Vibrant.
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I only own G1 & Mytouch Slide, not interested in the Vibrant like my KB's.

buy whatever you want
ive gone thru so many phones since 09, from the g1(when it first came out), hd2, n900, x10 and finally the vibrant. the hd2, n900 and x10 in a matter of 4 months. didnt like windows mobile from being used to android. n900 wasnt what i expected it to be. loved the x10 but only running 1.6. i didnt root it because I eventually bought the vibrant.
only issues i had were facebook syncing and contacts being tripled and gps in searching for a location while in house, but GPS worked FINE when I was on the road. wish i had a car dock for it at the time but will eventually get one.
OP, if you knew of these reasons, such as lag or because of the gps not working properly, then why did you buy it in the first place? i dont think barnes was getting at you, but damn dude, someone's sensitive. no one told you to buy it despite some of the imperfections the phone has. its like people saying sony shouldnt have released the x10 with 1.6 but rather have froyo but they still buy it. and if your response is to root it to get 2.1 or 2.2, i dont think the avg. customer for phones would have any idea of what you are talking about.
you cant please everyone on here. alot of people on xda either want to be a mod or just bump stupid posts because they didnt get an answer within 3 hours.

Returned my Samsung Captivate and is officially back to the HTC Dream/G1 until further notice.
Feeling better already, I can always get that phone when and if the GPS issue is worked out.
That was pretty much the only flaw it has at least on the phone I returned.

steveruv said:
ive gone thru so many phones since 09, from the g1(when it first came out), hd2, n900, x10 and finally the vibrant. the hd2, n900 and x10 in a matter of 4 months. didnt like windows mobile from being used to android. n900 wasnt what i expected it to be. loved the x10 but only running 1.6. i didnt root it because I eventually bought the vibrant.
only issues i had were facebook syncing and contacts being tripled and gps in searching for a location while in house, but GPS worked FINE when I was on the road. wish i had a car dock for it at the time but will eventually get one.
OP, if you knew of these reasons, such as lag or because of the gps not working properly, then why did you buy it in the first place? i dont think barnes was getting at you, but damn dude, someone's sensitive. no one told you to buy it despite some of the imperfections the phone has. its like people saying sony shouldnt have released the x10 with 1.6 but rather have froyo but they still buy it. and if your response is to root it to get 2.1 or 2.2, i dont think the avg. customer for phones would have any idea of what you are talking about.
you cant please everyone on here. alot of people on xda either want to be a mod or just bump stupid posts because they didnt get an answer within 3 hours.
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In that respect I did mess up.
Was expecting the Captivate to rock my socks off but all it did was make me mad due to the GPS issue.
I didn't know of these problems until after my phone arrived.
Its stupid for Samsung to not get those fixes out asap as that is their flagship phone.
I heard the X10 is very close to getting Cyanogen on there.. definitely a major advantage there vs. the Samsung development that's going on

if cyanogen is working on the x10, then the x10 will have alot of potential.
did you switch back to tmobile since you're back to using the g1?
btw, how often were you using the gps on the road? give the vibrant a chance, im sure the kinks will be worked out.

steveruv said:
if cyanogen is working on the x10, then the x10 will have alot of potential.
did you switch back to tmobile since you're back to using the g1?
btw, how often were you using the gps on the road? give the vibrant a chance, im sure the kinks will be worked out.
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The X10 does seem like a better choice for now mainly in part to the CyanogenMod potential.
Im still on AT&T, Ive closed my account with T-Mobile.
I was using the gps on a regular basis thats why it had to be refunded as a replacement was more than likely to have the same issue.
Samsung has always had a bad track record with updating thier phones and I didnt want to be stuck waiting for an update that may take too long to be relevant.

I've just gotta jump in with my $.02 right quick here...
Not trying to piss anyone off, but damn you all cry too much! IT's A PHONE!
And on top of all that, it has an Operating System on it! So essentially, it's a COMPUTER! And what do computers have????? ISSUES!
So, quit *****ing. Flagship phone or not...It's going to have issues. It's a new device. Duh. haha
Basically, when it comes down to it, if a device were PERFECT in every standard, then EVERYONE would have one. And sense there is no such thing as PERFECT, good luck.

tribalartgod said:
I've just gotta jump in with my $.02 right quick here...
Not trying to piss anyone off, but damn you all cry too much! IT's A PHONE!
And on top of all that, it has an Operating System on it! So essentially, it's a COMPUTER! And what do computers have????? ISSUES!
So, quit *****ing. Flagship phone or not...It's going to have issues. It's a new device. Duh. haha
Basically, when it comes down to it, if a device were PERFECT in every standard, then EVERYONE would have one. And sense there is no such thing as PERFECT, good luck.
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Yeah its a phone that should work my G1, HTC Shadow all work with gps and they are old phones compared to the Samsung Galaxy S.
If you prefer not to hear my advisement to everyone about this phone, DONT CLICK ON THE THREAD!

legend, so you're using the g1 on at&t's network?
the captivate is using bing, correct? there's no google maps on there? maybe that was the problem.
i guess im fortunate to have my gps on point when i'm driving, but once i eventually root, etc, then maybe the gps will lock in almost my exact point, and not off 1 or 2 blocks.

steveruv said:
legend, so you're using the g1 on at&t's network?
the captivate is using bing, correct? there's no google maps on there? maybe that was the problem.
i guess im fortunate to have my gps on point when i'm driving, but once i eventually root, etc, then maybe the gps will lock in almost my exact point, and not off 1 or 2 blocks.
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AT&T network, Yes I am.
The captivate is using Google Maps but has the option in using AT&T's version of it and they both were not working.
I tested how many GPS satellites it picked up through the LBSTestMode menu and it got me no where even if there were 1 or 7 available.
Once rooted it was the same story unfortunately even with all these workarounds on xda and other sites.

Further proof that the Samsung GPS issues continue....
See Samsung Facinate review released for Verizon on SEP 9, 2010 here ------->> http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Samsung-Fascinate-Review-review-r_2529-p_4.html

[Q] Can someone tell me I'm not alone?

Haha I see so many people complaining about bricked vibrants, apps not working, .zip files not working right, market issues, bad battery life and screwy bugs...
Am i a lucky guy who just got one of the "few" working vibrants??
I got my vibrant on release day from a preorder at radioshack...
It was not hardware locked and came with the original firmware.
Im currently running bionix 1.9.1 with the kk oc/uv kernel, launcher pro plus and have 76 user apps installed and this rom still keeps up. 2g is kept on until i need to use 3g. (2g 12 hours, 3g on the rest)
I previously installed oclf on all roms but this rom you dont need one, even with the cpu running at 200 MHz and 1000 MHz.
I have a livewallpaper running, no led notifer on for my sms, beautiful widgets, weatherbug and youtube all on 2 hour update and my battery lasts from 7am off the charger until 10 pm when im home with about 35% remaining with brightness on the lowest setting.
My gps works on spot , unfortunately not in my basement where my room is located. Wifi and bluetooth also work perfect.
Ive softbricked once when flashing a cappy .zip and just got into recovery and performed a nandroid
So whats up how many of you guys have a awesome, powerful vibrant like me?

I guess I am also one of the lucky ones
Mine always worked fine. Not hardware locked. GPS always worked too. The only problems I've had with it have been inflicted by the user (i.e. ME)
I think most Vibrants sold are working properly. I think the representation of folks who come to this forum in search of ways to "fix" their phones is disproportionate.

your not alone
I have had no problem with my phone I have flashed it with 3 different roms and it has been awesome. The only thing I have noticed is the gps does not tell me when I have a satellite lock but is is always accurate to 10-15 meters

My Vibrant is working like how I wanted it, the only issue is definitely GPS. Although, spotty, it at least work at the moment. I just wish it is more accurate so when my phone gets stolen, I have a fighting chance to get it back (via one of the many great anti-thief programs).

mine runs great

I guess you can consider me a lucky one as well.
I got mine on a release day back in July, and aside GPS issues at the beginning I had no complaints. Running Fusion Bionix ROM, and couldn't be happier.
I will def skip the Foryo OTA even if it comes before a working Froyo ROM is available from the brilliant devs on here.

At my work there are 5 of use with Vibrants and they all run fine. Honestly people who have issues are typically going to be more vocal than people who have no issues. So it seems like there are rampant issues with the Vibrant when in fact its only a minority of people having issues.

i ordered mine the day it came out (couldn't preorder cause on an employee account). gps wasn't that great, but worked most the time. rooted it and got rid of bloatware, still just unreliability of gps. started changing things like startup/shutdown animations, ji2 gps, and stuff, no problems. started flashing roms and am on bionix 1.9.1 oc, no problems.

My box date is 7/11/2010. Mine has been rock solid and not hardware locked. Love this phone. Fast, sexy, and unbrickable. The only problems I've had were caused by my own shenanigans.

Running a custom ROM should exclude you from voting. If you have to re-engineer a device to get what you paid for, you aren't getting what you paid for....
-bZj

Mine had the hardware lock and GPS issues, but both are fixed now. I've been lucky in that everything else I've thrown at it works fine. Overclocking is fine, voodoo is fine. The thing is smooth as butter and battery life is pretty damn good now.

Remember people happy with their phones don't usually post.
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I don't know what the hell happened to my phone after the update. I don't even know what to say

SpacelySprokets said:
I don't know what the hell happened to my phone after the update. I don't even know what to say
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Then don't say anything?
I like being a smartass.

Most people won't post to say hey my vibrant is working great! Rather they would post when they encounter a problem and need help quick. I haven't had any problems that I couldn't easily fix by myself l.
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My vibrant worked great, untill the last update. Now I get lag sometimes real bad.
I was real happy. Now I'm looking for roms.

down8 said:
Running a custom ROM should exclude you from voting. If you have to re-engineer a device to get what you paid for, you aren't getting what you paid for....
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No i don't think so , ive had android phones in the past and since the vibrant was gonna be a large seller for tmobile i expected a large development community like we are seeing and expected roms. So i bought the phone intentionally to mod it but thanks!

Also since most people on XDA have rooted their phone, you can expect they will have more problems than the average consumer. It's one of the downsides of modding. I don't think stock phones have been soft bricking only modded ones.

down8 said:
Running a custom ROM should exclude you from voting. If you have to re-engineer a device to get what you paid for, you aren't getting what you paid for....
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Really? I paid a premium for a device I could customize to my liking (cough-cough iPhone anyone???), well if it weren't for the dev section here I would've been very upset with the outcome.

CitrixLemon said:
Also since most people on XDA have rooted their phone, you can expect they will have more problems than the average consumer. It's one of the downsides of modding. I don't think stock phones have been soft bricking only modded ones.
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Read the numerous posts here about JI6 OTA update from the users that just received their phone, some of them were sad pandas when they had to stare at the Vibrant screen after they click update button.
If you read enough, and comfortable enough to mod your phone soft bricking it should the least of your concern

[Q] questions from a Droid user maybe coming to sprint

I currently have the Original Droid, which has been a great phone in terms of what you have been able to do to it and it's reliability. My question is; how do the owners of the Epic feel about their phone? Still happy with it? Like the roms that have come out for it? And since I haven't paid much attention to Sprint, up until now, any other phones down the line I should think about? My contract with Verizon is up in 3 months.

Yes if you like a hardware keyboard then get the Epic it's a great phone you won't be dissapointed
If you like running the latest and Greatest software then the Nexus S will be out for sprint in like a month.
If you want a powerhouse of a phone then the Evo3D should be out by June following what they did with the original Evo
This thread might give you more info
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1004091

justin8338 said:
I currently have the Original Droid, which has been a great phone in terms of what you have been able to do to it and it's reliability. My question is; how do the owners of the Epic feel about their phone? Still happy with it? Like the roms that have come out for it? And since I haven't paid much attention to Sprint, up until now, any other phones down the line I should think about? My contract with Verizon is up in 3 months.
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Evo3d or nexus 4g or any phones that are dual core that come out in the next 3 months
Sent from my SPH-D700 using XDA App

If you get the epic, make sure you rigorously test the hardware keyboard within the first 30 days so you can return it if you get a phone that's physical keyboard drops keys.
Sent from my SPH-D700 using XDA App

iSaint said:
Yes if you like a hardware keyboard then get the Epic it's a great phone you won't be dissapointed
If you like running the latest and Greatest software then the Nexus S will be out for sprint in like a month.
If you want a powerhouse of a phone then the Evo3D should be out by June following what they did with the original Evo
This thread might give you more info
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1004091
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Thanks for the link!

I never buy phones on contract, and swapped from an iPhone to a Moto Droid in May of last year. Loved the Android platform, since I'm a programmer and super-user -- not a dumb user, the way the iPhone continued to fail.
I switched to the Epic 4G around October of that year (bought off-contract as well, ESN was clear, but ended up still being attached to an account... got scammed and ported it to Cricket myself). Love the keyboard. Love the screen. Not a bad phone at all. I wouldn't buy it on contract, though, since the new phones are coming out. But in my mind, the Epic is a definite upgrade from the Droid, albeit still not quite as flexible as the original Droid was in terms of development and ROMs (was on Sapphire with Droid -- tried pretty much all the different ROMs for Epic and they're nice, but not as nice as something mostly AOSP, i.e. CM7 or Sapphire). Waiting patiently for Epic's CM7 to be mostly stable so I can try to ROM with that -- having very high hopes for it.
So in a nutshell, yes, great phone. But, the only issue is that the phone will be outdated rather quick, though I don't think we're going to see another contender with a decent keyboard for a while with dual-core processors, etc (re: I'm guessing a year). No comment on Sprint service, but double check with reviews in your area to see how coverage, etc, is before making the jump.

justin8338 said:
I currently have the Original Droid, which has been a great phone in terms of what you have been able to do to it and it's reliability. My question is; how do the owners of the Epic feel about their phone? Still happy with it? Like the roms that have come out for it? And since I haven't paid much attention to Sprint, up until now, any other phones down the line I should think about? My contract with Verizon is up in 3 months.
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I would stay away from this phone if I were you. The roms I've tried are all pretty good, but never perfect for me. I can tell you the current stock rom is still sub par. I would get the HTC if I you. I know people on here will tell you it's not a good of a phone, but I can tell you it works a hell of a lot better. If you really want this phone I will trade you mine + I'll give you $100 if you get the evo and trade me. I'm trying to sell mine now! my phones of on really good shape, no damage to it at all. If you're interested or anyone else, pm me! But to be honest this phone is not really worth it.
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I would stay away from this phone if I were you. The roms I've tried are all pretty good, but never perfect for me. I can tell you the current stock rom is still sub par. I would get the HTC if I you. I know people on here will tell you it's not a good of a phone, but I can tell you it works a hell of a lot better. If you really want this phone I will trade you mine + I'll give you $100 if you get the evo and trade me. I'm trying to sell mine now! my phones of on really good shape, no damage to it at all. If you're interested or anyone else, pm me! But to be honest this phone is not really worth it.
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DON'T LISTEN TO THIS GUY. His intelligence is showing with trying to trade you for a lesser quality phone. The evo shift does not have an amoled screen or the gpu power the epic has. This phone is amazing and will be amazing for atleast 2 years. This phone will hold up to the dual cores of this year hands down. I've been with sprint for 9 years and they keep getting better. Development could be stronger but we have gotten EVERYTHING WE NEEDED FROM OUR DEVS HERE. CM7 is in progress and there is a stable alpha.
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It's a great phone now. Got mine for the second time on friday and updated that evening ota. I also have a Evo and Evo shift and had the dual core Atrix(hype at this point imho).
The Epic is my favorite although i do prefer the keyboard on the Evo shift cause its smaller which is odd but rue
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jbadboy2007 said:
DON'T LISTEN TO THIS GUY. His intelligence is showing with trying to trade you for a lesser quality phone. The evo shift does not have an amoled screen or the gpu power the epic has. This phone is amazing and will be amazing for atleast 2 years. This phone will hold up to the dual cores of this year hands down. I've been with sprint for 9 years and they keep getting better. Development could be stronger but we have gotten EVERYTHING WE NEEDED FROM OUR DEVS HERE. CM7 is in progress and there is a stable alpha.
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Well maybe you like having to spend a million hours to get the phone to work, but for me, not really. It's almost a full time job trying to get this thing to work right! I agree the hardware is great, but not worth the fight to make it work right. I've spent hours flashing this thing since the new update and I will tell you I still have problems with this phone. If you would like me to list all the problems with my phone I would be happy to do so!
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Well maybe you like having to spend a million hours to get the phone to work, but for me, not really. It's almost a full time job trying to get this thing to work right! I agree the hardware is great, but not worth the fight to make it work right. I've spent hours flashing this thing since the new update and I will tell you I still have problems with this phone. If you would like me to list all the problems with my phone I would be happy to do so!
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YOU have issues, the vast majority of people are capable of flashing a ROM correctly and troubleshooting any problems they might have, don't dissuade someone from purchasing a phone they want because YOU have problems using it correctly.

I really do like my phone and the ROMs are smoke'n.
They have been having a bit of an issue releasing Froyo that doesn't have some level of suckage.
We're expecting a 3rd try this week.
What balances that are the AWESOME devs for it; they popout an updated ROM with the latest update in no time at all.
Everyone is spot on in regards to hardware keyboard, I find myself (I HAD to have a real keyboard) actually using the swype keyboard way more than the physical one. Go figure.
Some GPS issues; though each update makes it a bit better.
There is a reason that this phone is the #1 selling PDA phone.
Having all said that, in a few months there will be some really powerful stuff that will just blow the doors off anything currently available. If I were in your position. I'd go for a multi-processor phone.
Good luck

I say get an evo.
Theres a whole lot more going on with the evo development that its a much more flexible phone.
Our phone has a lot of potential, but with a fracyion of evo/droid devs its harder for the epic to get there.
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jdelano said:
What balances that are the AWESOME devs for it; they popout an updated ROM with the latest update in no time at all.
Everyone is spot on in regards to hardware keyboard, I find myself (I HAD to have a real keyboard) actually using the swype keyboard way more than the physical one. Go figure.
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Check out the hardware keyboard fix from mkasick - it's implemented in SRF 1.1.0 and its accompanying kernel, Twilight Zone 1.1.0. If you don't want to leave your current ROM, give Twilight Zone a try. The fix is an adjustable one - so you can set the value as low as you want. That should completely eliminate any issues you're having.

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YOU have issues, the vast majority of people are capable of flashing a ROM correctly and troubleshooting any problems they might have, don't dissuade someone from purchasing a phone they want because YOU have problems using it correctly.
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These forums speak for them selves. You don't see half the problems in the HTC forums. Also if you have BOTH phones you would know how many more problems there are on this phone. I would wait for the nexus s if you want a sammy. I would not choose this phone again if I had it to do over.
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These forums speak for them selves. You don't see half the problems in the HTC forums. Also if you have BOTH phones you would know how many more problems there are on this phone. I would wait for the nexus s if you want a sammy. I would not choose this phone again if I had it to do over.
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I do have both, and have had few issued with either, I made the choice to stick with the Epic as my daily driver because its a much nice phone hardware wise and significantly lighter. I find it difficult to believe you would have any of the issues you're having if you properly flashed it.

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I do have both, and have had few issued with either, I made the choice to stick with the Epic as my daily driver because its a much nice phone hardware wise and significantly lighter. I find it difficult to believe you would have any of the issues you're having if you properly flashed it.
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I can't even tell you how many times I've flashed this phone trying to get an optimal set up. I have found that over all I've had less problems with the stock rom, but it is still a lot more buggy than the evo. I would just give this phone to my girlfriend and take her evo, but I don't think she would know what to do if the phone went haywire on her. Hers is stock and I've had far less issues with it than this phone. The only times I had any real issues with her evo is when I tried to mess with it. Trust me man, I thought I was the one screwing up this phone, that's why I'm trying out the stock hardware! All I'm saying there are a lot more issues. Trust me I bought this phone for the same reasons as everyone else! I'm just getting sick and tired of having to Odin the damn thing everyone 3 to 4 weeks! I thought a program may have been causing it, so now I'm trying stock ROM EC and I've only rooted it. I've downloaded XDA, Poynt, Blow up, and the Chase apps. These are the only apps I have on here now, so I was hoping that it was maybe an app causing my problems. Today I had my first problem since going to my current set up. I've been talking about it in this forum, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=12464672#post12464672. I'm hoping that it's something that I just needed to reboot my phone. The only other thing I can think that made my phone go black screen is when I use the media player and play videos. I'm hoping it's not one of the apps, but I haven't been able to replicate the problem today. I'm just saying that my girl doesn't have any of these issues with the evo and right now I'm basically on the edge with this phone!!!! I also don't want to shell out a bunch more money for a phone so I just kind of have to deal with it and hope I can find a solution, but I would not recommend this phone to anyone after what I've been through! The Nexus S may be a different story since it's stock, but not this phone!

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These forums speak for them selves. You don't see half the problems in the HTC forums. Also if you have BOTH phones you would know how many more problems there are on this phone. I would wait for the nexus s if you want a sammy. I would not choose this phone again if I had it to do over.
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I'm not gonna say that flashing isn't a complicated thing. But that's your choice and if you really want to experience amazing ui then it takes time of the individual to figure how and what they can and can not do. That's why there is 1 click root. Flashing is not meant for everyone so if you don't have the time that's cool but don't blame the phone for your short comings either in time or intelligence or pesistence.
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jbadboy2007 said:
I'm not gonna say that flashing isn't a complicated thing. But that's your choice and if you really want to experience amazing ui then it takes time of the individual to figure how and what they can and can not do. That's why there is 1 click root. Flashing is not meant for everyone so if you don't have the time that's cool but don't blame the phone for your short comings either in time or intelligence or pesistence.
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Trust me I've flashed this phone many times. I'm sorry to tell you that when you flash Roms and kernels there are still going to be some problems. I realise that you may want to flash Roms and kernels to make the phone run a certain way, otherwise there wouldn't be multiple roms or kernels to flash if everything worked perfect with one. You're showing your ignorance if you think that a flashed rom and/or kernel is going to be problem free. There's a reason why there are constant updates to the roms and kernels.
I'm just tired of doing it and you should be able to use the phone, without it crashing, without having to mess with it. I don't think it's too much to ask for the phone to not crash when it's stock. Maybe I need to go to full stock with out root. Maybe that's what's causing the phone to mess up. That's my next option!
Edit: I wish I could see other things you've bought. Just curious what type of repairs you had to do to them...
Not sure why you would expect something to NOT work correctly out of the box? You make a valid point it shouldn't work correctly stock..........

justin8338 said:
I currently have the Original Droid, which has been a great phone in terms of what you have been able to do to it and it's reliability. My question is; how do the owners of the Epic feel about their phone? Still happy with it? Like the roms that have come out for it? And since I haven't paid much attention to Sprint, up until now, any other phones down the line I should think about? My contract with Verizon is up in 3 months.
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Whatever you do, do NOT get the Epic. Even if it's free. The keyboard TO THIS DAY does not work properly. It still misses keys and it's not layed out all that well either. I came from a g1 that had a keyboard that ACTUALLY registered keys, even if you type faster than my grandma. Please do not get the epic, get the evo shift or wait for something else on Verizon.
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Fascinate devs use the opportunity. Verizon swapping fassy for incredible 2.

Some wishful thinking but are you wonderful fascinate devs willing to take Verizon up on their offer and swap your fassy for an incredible 2. I'm getting mine in a couple days and would LOVE to see your wonderful work over therr.
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strictlyphat said:
Some wishful thinking but are you wonderful fascinate devs willing to take Verizon up on their offer and swap your fassy for an incredible 2. I'm getting mine in a couple days and would LOVE to see your wonderful work over therr.
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its not an offer to switch phones...it for people who have issues with their fascinates...its more or less fraud to claim the issue if you dont have it
if you have missed call issues or otherwise, then the dinc2 is amongst the options they give you (dx2, charge if you fight for it)

nitsuj17 said:
its not an offer to switch phones...it for people who have issues with their fascinates...its more or less fraud to claim the issue if you dont have it
if you have missed call issues or otherwise, then the dinc2 is amongst the options they give you (dx2, charge if you fight for it)
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this ^^^^^ I really was having the missed call problem bad, I need my phone for work and to reach family so missing calls is absolutely unacceptable and no rom/radio combo fixed it for me. As much as I hate to say it I did give up my Fassy for a Charge... I will miss it, it took a lot of consideration before I even tried calling
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Oh sorry nit I'm a big supporter of your work. I am by no way frauding vzw. I actually have issues. Especially with GPS. It simply does not work. Unwashed just saddened bybthe development of inc2 and hoped for some light.
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You may be able to swap devices, however i was told today by a tier 2 vzw rep that the only reason they have the swap as an option is because there is a delay from samsung with the fix in development for the missed call issue. GPS lock was a definite issue that has yet to be resolved however that's not what they're offering the replacements for right now.
That being said, you can usually make your case with any issue after 3rd or 4th replacement with the same problem (if it ends up being GPS) and they will offer a different but equivalent model. But, since VZW does not officially support google maps navigation (only VZnav) they do not usually consider the GPS Lock delay as an issue qualifying for device swap. That falls under manufacturer's warranty (replace for same device).

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its not an offer to switch phones...it for people who have issues with their fascinates...its more or less fraud to claim the issue if you dont have it
if you have missed call issues or otherwise, then the dinc2 is amongst the options they give you (dx2, charge if you fight for it)
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I was offered the Charge or the dinc2 when having the issues. Dumped ED04 and they went away. Now with CM7 I'm staying right here, awsome performance.

strictlyphat said:
Some wishful thinking but are you wonderful fascinate devs willing to take Verizon up on their offer and swap your fassy for an incredible 2. I'm getting mine in a couple days and would LOVE to see your wonderful work over therr.
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Keep wishing, we'll keep our wonderful devs here thanks. Lol
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foister82 said:
You may be able to swap devices, however i was told today by a tier 2 vzw rep that the only reason they have the swap as an option is because there is a delay from samsung with the fix in development for the missed call issue. GPS lock was a definite issue that has yet to be resolved however that's not what they're offering the replacements for right now.
That being said, you can usually make your case with any issue after 3rd or 4th replacement with the same problem (if it ends up being GPS) and they will offer a different but equivalent model. But, since VZW does not officially support google maps navigation (only VZnav) they do not usually consider the GPS Lock delay as an issue qualifying for device swap. That falls under manufacturer's warranty (replace for same device).
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my issue was different than most with the missed calls (broken speaker) but really if you have any missed call issues vzw is only too happy to give u a new phone...obviously if you have a perfectly fine fascinate theres no need to (unless ur bored)

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my issue was different than most with the missed calls (broken speaker) but really if you have any missed call issues vzw is only too happy to give u a new phone...obviously if you have a perfectly fine fascinate theres no need to (unless ur bored)
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I thought that was a little strange when I called, the guy I talked to was extremely nice and apologetic, practically demanding that I take the Charge and went out of his way to call the manager of the store by my house to confirm (who coincidentaly was the one I processed the order with in the store and she seemed to act the same way)
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you have to understand this though... if you're working in a call center and getting angry callers all day every day, and you now have an option for these people that they know will make you very happy, it makes their lives much much easier at work. These people (especially the tier 2 guys and gals) get called everything under the sun because they cant warranty out a replacement for little jimmy who dropped his phone into the toilet.
This is one of the few times big red did this type of an offer that will really please the end user. Im really suprised they aren't offering DX's and D2G's instead of these much newer devices for the fascinate.

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you have to understand this though... if you're working in a call center and getting angry callers all day every day, and you now have an option for these people that they know will make you very happy, it makes their lives much much easier at work. These people (especially the tier 2 guys and gals) get called everything under the sun because they cant warranty out a replacement for little jimmy who dropped his phone into the toilet.
This is one of the few times big red did this type of an offer that will really please the end user. Im really suprised they aren't offering DX's and D2G's instead of these much newer devices for the fascinate.
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Nicely said, also I think whether people cgoose inc2 or charge, they should make the decision based on experience and no matter how you slice it, both options are an upgrade over the fascinate. So I dont think people can go wrong. Its a matter of personal preference and all the opinions in the world cant make you like a phone you dislike.....
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Nicely said, also I think whether people cgoose inc2 or charge, they should make the decision based on experience and no matter how you slice it, both options are an upgrade over the fascinate. So I dont think people can go wrong. Its a matter of personal preference and all the opinions in the world cant make you like a phone you dislike.....
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Truee. I agreed. I'm 95% sure I decided on a Dinc2, seeing how when I tried the Charge, aside from the 4G LTE (which I can wait) and Super Amoled Screen + (which sorta reminded me of amoled but better, I wasn't wowed as much due to TW) the whole user experience on TW made me hate it even more... lol. Though I know I can easily root it and do another rom, but I'm not sure why but I'm still going for the Dinc2? Though technically if were talking about Rom wise, the Charge can have about the same rom as Dinc2 aside from propitiatory Roms like Sense 3.0 and Touch Wiz 4.0.. Somehow i'm liking the new sense.. :\. Dinc2 just seems sexier now haha...

I've had a few dropped calls... And to be honest I'm interested in the dinc2... But I'm not quite ready to part with my fascinate... Couple of quick questions: do they make you reproduce the problem? Because my fascinate has only done it once in a blue moon. Also, do they confiscate the fascinate, or do they let you keep it so I can turn it into a pseudo-iPod touch?

This is news to me. A charge seems like a upgrade for sure. I'm surprised they would replace a device going for $100 with a newer one going for $300

My wife's fascinate will sometimes all of the sudden show a missed call when the phone never even rang. Is this the bug that everyone is talking about, or is it something different?
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jmaher1023 said:
My wife's fascinate will sometimes all of the sudden show a missed call when the phone never even rang. Is this the bug that everyone is talking about, or is it something different?
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Very similiar... My mom called my 4 days in a row and the phone never rang, but I never got any missed call notifications!! Didn't even have to get passed tier1 tech support after I referenced this thread to get my inc2! Not gonna be a guinea pig for lte.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=15675418&postcount=36

Slic|< said:
Truee. I agreed. I'm 95% sure I decided on a Dinc2, seeing how when I tried the Charge, aside from the 4G LTE (which I can wait) and Super Amoled Screen + (which sorta reminded me of amoled but better, I wasn't wowed as much due to TW) the whole user experience on TW made me hate it even more... lol. Though I know I can easily root it and do another rom, but I'm not sure why but I'm still going for the Dinc2? Though technically if were talking about Rom wise, the Charge can have about the same rom as Dinc2 aside from propitiatory Roms like Sense 3.0 and Touch Wiz 4.0.. Somehow i'm liking the new sense.. :\. Dinc2 just seems sexier now haha...
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Aosp wise they can have the same roms to a point...the inc2 has stable cm omgb and miui now whereas the charge has nothing...yet
And as for oem skin roms that's preference but more people prefer sense to tw generally
But the other mitigating factors play in...screen size, form factor, root, battery life, lte...so I would say each person should weigh their decision based upon what their current needs are
Tbh if I had lte in my area I would have either really pushed for a tbolt or sucked it up and taken a charge
As it is I don't so that made the decision easy for me

well this sure is annoying...I called Verizon just lat week when my 3g died on me...I was having the missed call problem as well...until I settled on EA28 modem..didn't give me any problems till a few days later when the modem hardware crapped out...
I got my replacement Fascinate and it is a newer hardware version (11.something) ..came stock with ED04 Froyo..have since flashed comRom 2.1 pbj -50 kernel and a SteelBlue 3.1 theme...will have to see for the next few days if the missed call problem appears...the phone seems much snappier and getting data speed up to 1.3 to 2Mbps download and .5Mbps upload..fastest I have seen yet..
But it still bugs me that its obvious that so many people have had problems with this phone and yet they wouldn't offer me a different model...well, its only my first replacement...but its just so annoying to have to go through all these hoops..
I like the charge, but seen the new Motorola Droid 3...looks promising..like the physical slide out keyboard..I really miss a physical keyboard... wonder why they aren't offering that phone as a replacement seeing as the Charge is $299 and the Moto Droid 3 is $199...

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well this sure is annoying...I called Verizon just lat week when my 3g died on me...I was having the missed call problem as well...until I settled on EA28 modem..didn't give me any problems till a few days later when the modem hardware crapped out...
I got my replacement Fascinate and it is a newer hardware version (11.something) ..came stock with ED04 Froyo..have since flashed comRom 2.1 pbj -50 kernel and a SteelBlue 3.1 theme...will have to see for the next few days if the missed call problem appears...the phone seems much snappier and getting data speed up to 1.3 to 2Mbps download and .5Mbps upload..fastest I have seen yet..
But it still bugs me that its obvious that so many people have had problems with this phone and yet they wouldn't offer me a different model...well, its only my first replacement...but its just so annoying to have to go through all these hoops..
I like the charge, but seen the new Motorola Droid 3...looks promising..like the physical slide out keyboard..I really miss a physical keyboard... wonder why they aren't offering that phone as a replacement seeing as the Charge is $299 and the Moto Droid 3 is $199...
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the d3 (while im sure already a commercial failure) is too new relatively speaking to be a replacement yet...and just because they charge $299 for the uh charge doesnt mean they pay samsung more than they pay moto for the d3...or that much more anyway