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Why not make a new section for android on hd2

I think android is coming to a point on hd2 that we should have a thread
for just android builds for hd2 anyone want to see this change?

refuge27 said:
I think android is coming to a point on hd2 that we should have a thread
for just android builds for hd2 anyone want to see this change?
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It has already been stated when a working ROM, not an application, is produced then it will get it's own section ...

watcher64 said:
It has already been stated when a working ROM, not an application, is produced then it will get it's own section ...
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I think we'll get an android section long before theres a flashable rom... it could be years before theres a rom. I think only one other winmo device has an android rom that can be flashed. Personally, I don't see the point in flashing android... I think the great part about these android ports is the fact that you can run WinMo and android on the same device. I don't think flashing even improves performance all that much. If I wanted an android device, I would just buy one. I like running multiple os's on the same device.
The current android port isn't really just an app running on winmo... yes, you run haret, but that shuts down the windows kernel and starts up the linux kernel. Having android flashed on nand will not improve speed or performance very much except the fact that info can be moved to ram from nand a little quicker than it takes for info to be moved from memory card to ram, but that will not make a very noticeable difference. They will also have to get all the components to initialize without winmo before they can make a flashable rom.... that will take time. Like I said, even after years of developers porting android to winmo devices, only 1 or 2 devices have flashable roms out of more than a dozen devices... and none of them really get a performance boost from running it from nand, so I don't see the point.
We will need an android development section before we have a android rom. We're at the point where we should probably get a new section soon, especially once we start getting more devs making android or other linux builds.

[Q] Simple question - NAND & Android on HD2 - Why we still cannot get working NAND v.

[Q] Simple question - NAND & Android on HD2 - Why we still cannot get working NAND v.
Well, my question is simple :
Why we still dont have NAND version of Android ?
Is it problem with .... drivers or anything else ?
Please tell me what is the problem. Why its so hard to develop working NAND Rom ?

screen orentation sensor makes the screen lag ... and there are still some major bugs

Why is there so much craving for a NAND version?
What's wrong with having Android running from the SDcard?
As long as that still doesn't function 100% (screen/g sensor/footprints in sense etc..), why would you want to have a Nand version? I doubt that that will actually change anything.

KrewsialNL said:
Why is there so much craving for a NAND version?
What's wrong with having Android running from the SDcard?
As long as that still doesn't function 100% (screen/g sensor/footprints in sense etc..), why would you want to have a Nand version? I doubt that that will actually change anything.
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I guess the myth is if it's NAND then battery will be better which I really doubt.

Sorry but it's not an answer.
Many people want to have Nand version and it's their choice , but
it could be a good idea to tell us why there is so many problems
to create this kind of rom.
What parts are missing ....
What needs to be compiled ...
What to repaired...
Need some tech informations about this .
Who knows , many people is to busy to try create whole rom , but
there is many of us who knows programming and could Help .
But if someone will tell us what is a biggest problem ...
Linux was creating by many people , so maybe this time we can find solution together ?

Do a search!
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So what if i will use search.
I will get 2,000 posts with small ammount of answers.
Will be easier if any dev will completly with details
answer this question.
It will stop another 2,000 posts to occur .
Many questions - one answer.

It isn't working because only a handful are working on it while the rest whine and think a lame post begging for an eta will motivate the devs. If you want it done pick up a book and start learning about linux coding. It isn't done yet because nobody tries on their own.
Just because the initial development was lightning quick doesn't guarantee it will all tidily come together at the same rate.
Do you remember what appeared on your HD2 when you first turned it on? Windoze f'ing mobile. Be grateful for what you have.

To motivate the coders even a bit more you could create a "Who will be the 1st Android NAND coder" thread where users can donate cash for the price money.
The 1st coder who does so will win the cash.
Me.. I've donated cash already to some of the coders here, and I can wait till we have a stable good working version.

htc-hd2 said:
To motivate the coders even a bit more you could create a "Who will be the 1st Android NAND coder" thread where users can donate cash for the price money.
The 1st coder who does so will win the cash.
Me.. I've donated cash already to some of the coders here, and I can wait till we have a stable good working version.
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You know ... it could be a great idea .
If someone trusted will keep grand prize for this so why not ???
First person that will make a working rom will get a BIG PRIZE ....
might work .
After testing, if we see that it really works ....
I could donate if someone will start something like this.

I don't know how fair it would be to say the first to make an android would get the prize... Most likely it will be a cook making the rom using the work of many developers. It will be the same group of devs that got android working in the first place that will get it working on nand.... Dcordes, cotulla, netripper, etc... Might as well just donate. I'm sure it will be a group effort by them.
Nand is difficult because we will need a lot of new drivers to initialize the hardware... Right now winmo is used to initialize most hardware for android. I don't understand why you think it shouldn't be difficult... Look at other winmo devices that can run android... Only 2 out of a dozen can even boot from nand... And the nand versions are less functional than the versions run from sd card. It takes a LOT more work to get everything working on its own from nand without winmo to initialize hardware. I would expect the same with the first versions of nand booting for the hd2 also.... It will probably be nowhere near as functional as booting from sd until a lot of development is done. Be patient... It could be a long time before we have a nand bootable android that's anywhere as stable and functional as the sd bootable builds we currently have. I also doubt that speed or battery life will be much better with nand, if at all. We have great speed & batteries with our sd versions already... It will be hard to beat that with new nand versions, especially since many drivers for nand will probably have to be made from scratch. But you never know... We have some great devs and I've already been surprised with what they've accomplished.
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I guess you'll have to wait until the day you hire your own Android HD2 developer, then you can have them working on things that -you- want.
seriously, I'm not being sarcastic. I'm actually pondering about creating some sort of donations thread just to fix particular problems.
But, because this is a community driven effort, we are at the mercy of whatever developers/chefs want to have. If you don't like that, you may want to consider becoming a developer/chef yourself..
klopikxda said:
Well, my question is simple :
Why we still dont have NAND version of Android ?
Is it problem with .... drivers or anything else ?
Please tell me what is the problem. Why its so hard to develop working NAND Rom ?
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I'm actually quite happy with my HD2 running off of SD... It's actually faster than WM 6.5! Everything I have tested works including hotspot. Running mccm 1.5 with chuckydroid ROM
And I have the best of both worlds...Android and WM 6.5!

i was wondering how everybody feels about switching the two oss...place wimo on the sd and run android from nand...so you still have both. because from what ive been reading, having both oss on the nand is out of the question, unless you have a us hd2 that has more internal memory....just a thought

dontw said:
i was wondering how everybody feels about switching the two oss...place wimo on the sd and run android from nand...so you still have both. because from what ive been reading, having both oss on the nand is out of the question, unless you have a us hd2 that has more internal memory....just a thought
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There is no android app to shut down android and launch windows kernel, so that possibility is very far away if it's even possible. First they would need to get android booting off nand, which is a ways off, then a haret type app would need to be written for android that can launch the window ce kernel, which may be very difficult because windows is not open sourced, and then a version of winmo that will work with that will need to be developed.
I don't see this as being very likely to happen. If you want nand android, you're going to lose winmo.
Personally, I don't see why everyone wants to boot android from nand... It works so well from sd and you get to run multiple os on your phone. And looking at the history of nand booting android on winmo phones, the nand versions are usually less functional and don't really improve speed or battery that much. Doesn't seem worth it to change a multiple os superphone into a subpar android-only phone. But that's just me.
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I guess the simple question would be why? What do you gain from that setup compared to what we have today? You'd still get 2 OSes, but with a -lot- more work I presume.
right?
dontw said:
i was wondering how everybody feels about switching the two oss...place wimo on the sd and run android from nand...so you still have both. because from what ive been reading, having both oss on the nand is out of the question, unless you have a us hd2 that has more internal memory....just a thought
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I completely understand. I was just curious..Im sure there wouldent be any benefit of nand booting except another option and being able to shut up people from asking about it lol...I personally don't mind android running off the SD card...I have two and I use one as my everyday android build and I use the other for when new builds come out so I can try it out. Pretty sweet if yu ask me I'm sure some type of nand build will b out soon...everyone just needs to be patient
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Meh, I'd rather have our awesome devs working on meaningful things like the touch screen lag...
dontw said:
I completely understand. I was just curious..Im sure there wouldent be any benefit of nand booting except another option and being able to shut up people from asking about it lol...I personally don't mind android running off the SD card...I have two and I use one as my everyday android build and I use the other for when new builds come out so I can try it out. Pretty sweet if yu ask me I'm sure some type of nand build will b out soon...everyone just needs to be patient
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KrewsialNL said:
Why is there so much craving for a NAND version?
What's wrong with having Android running from the SDcard?
As long as that still doesn't function 100% (screen/g sensor/footprints in sense etc..), why would you want to have a Nand version? I doubt that that will actually change anything.
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footprint works on sense

i prefere sd card over nand ,easy switch between roms ,ihave 4 different roms on my sd card

Newbie

I am new to both smart phones and forums so bare with me. I have installed dark stones 2.2 with sense on my hd2. I have some issues and am hoping for some help. phone works, but I can't understand the caller. Battery life is horrible. Last but not least..... Screen freezes pretty often. Ar there better builds or easy fixes?
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Please post in the proper forum and thread for your issues.
~~Tito~~

Chris Boyer said:
I am new to both smart phones and forums so bare with me. I have installed dark stones 2.2 with sense on my hd2. I have some issues and am hoping for some help. phone works, but I can't understand the caller. Battery life is horrible. Last but not least..... Screen freezes pretty often. Ar there better builds or easy fixes?
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Hi, Are you using original stock rom? What radio version do you have( needs to be above 2.08 to work properly) Did you run the clrcad file before haret when booting into android? Was your sd card formatted before you put android on it. Battery life if not fantastic on any build as it's an os running from an sd card. I would recommend mdeejay froyo-sense 2.3 clean. This build is fast and stable for me and the battery is pretty good aswell. ( i used to be on darkstones builds before)

read the stickies in the development forum (DO NOT POST NEW THREADS IN DEVELOPMENT)
almost all of the new builds have fixed all the issues you speak of.
touch screen freezes, sleep of death, and robot voice.
make sure you read ALL the stickies in the HD2 ROM development section, and HD2 Android development.
you will need to put a new windows ROM on your phone. and possibly upgrade the radio firmware. (all detailed in stickies and related posts)
then load one of the new builds found in android development section and you will be good to run android all the time.

After playing around with a number of builds I found a EVO with sense that works great. Thank you
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[Request] SD Builds Updates

After the NAND release SD builds are totally abandoned ... no updates at all.. some still want to use winmo 6.5 for many reasons.. for me it's volume with SRS WOW HD .. volume is super loud and it's very usefull while watching movies in crowded places like trains and such....and there is WP7 now, we can dual boot WP7 and Android..... like this there are many uses, so some like to stick with SD builds.... recently if you goto that forum all you can use is december updates..
Please chefs update SD builds too if possible...I would like to have a latest skinned RMNET Desire HD ..

Yes, Please update SD builds...

I was going to write similar post but careful enough I checked the forums and found someone who thinks exactly as I do.
After NAND builds appeared I suddenly realized, I don't want just android I want both and it's sad to see that most of the SD builds are from December. I still think that Winmo builds made by NRGZ's are great and I don't want to part with that if I have choice to have both systems running.
I also think that windows isn't that bad afer not better but not that bad to get rid of it.

Same thought ... hope some chef can spare some time on checking the SD Build

+1 i would like to see a coredroid Hd 0.5 Sd.
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rafian said:
I was going to write similar post but careful enough I checked the forums and found someone who thinks exactly as I do.
After NAND builds appeared I suddenly realized, I don't want just android I want both and it's sad to see that most of the SD builds are from December. I still think that Winmo builds made by NRGZ's are great and I don't want to part with that if I have choice to have both systems running.
I also think that windows isn't that bad afer not better but not that bad to get rid of it.
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+1... I don't understand why so many wanted to turn our multi-OS booting superphone into just another android phone. It takes away what makes the HD2 special and gives it an edge over other high-end android phones. Flashing android to nand makes it into an EVO with not as good hardware. It can't do anything that someone with an evo or desire HD can't do better. But with the ability to boot winmo or wp7, then it can do a lot that the EVO and desire can't do. I'm using WP7 and booting android from SD right now, and cotulla says he's working on a WM6.5 build that can be booted from SD, so if that works out, we can boot WP7, WM6.5, Android, Ubuntu and hopefully meego all from the same phone anytime we want! It will be great!

[Q] Android on SD with sense

Hi All,
I tried looking for an answer, but could not find one - So Im asking.
I was interested in trying Android (ICS/JellyBean) on my HD2.
I am interested in an SD version, so I would not need to remove WM, and be able to run it from WinMo
(Since from my experience with other Android devices, some of the WinMo features do not exist there)
So after this description, I could not find any Android for SD with Sense.
Is there a reason for that ?
What is the reason ?
Could there be an SD Android with Sense ?
Many thanks in advance.

Som30ne said:
Hi All,
I tried looking for an answer, but could not find one - So Im asking.
I was interested in trying Android (ICS/JellyBean) on my HD2.
I am interested in an SD version, so I would not need to remove WM, and be able to run it from WinMo
(Since from my experience with other Android devices, some of the WinMo features do not exist there)
So after this description, I could not find any Android for SD with Sense.
Is there a reason for that ?
What is the reason ?
Could there be an SD Android with Sense ?
Many thanks in advance.
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You couldn't find a single SD Android build with Sense? You're f**king kidding me right? And if you mean with ICS or JB, then why don't you try developing one yourself before complaining?

Nigeldg said:
You couldn't find a single SD Android build with Sense? You're f**king kidding me right? And if you mean with ICS or JB, then why don't you try developing one yourself before complaining?
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Yes, I mean ICS or JB.
Im not complaining, but asking.
and thanks for your very informative and welcoming answer.

there are no ics or jb roms with sense (nand or sd) because the latest versions of sense don't work on the hd2 (at least that's my understanding) so the best you could hope for is someone to crowbar an older sense or small parts of sense, onto ics/jb, which doesn't seem that likely just yet.
(lets not forget that however amazingly stable the ics/jb roms are, theyre still in an early stage of development)

samsamuel said:
there are no ics or jb roms with sense (nand or sd) because the latest versions of sense don't work on the hd2 (at least that's my understanding) so the best you could hope for is someone to crowbar an older sense or small parts of sense, onto ics/jb, which doesn't seem that likely just yet.
(lets not forget that however amazingly stable the ics/jb roms are, theyre still in an early stage of development)
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Thanks.
I remember that I did see at lease some ICS with sense,
for example
http://android.hd2roms.com/details/?r=804
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1769081 (from my understanding this is ICS as it says it's a One-X rom)
All were NAND, or at least require significant ROM changes (radio, and other stuff for MAGLDR)
So - before I try to brick my phone, I want to have a go with haret, and see if I can live with the android,
and see if the features I was missing when checking android on other devices now exist, and/or if I can live without them.
For example - when you have several notifications, you can either dismiss them all, ot snooze them all, but not one by one.
I did not see a "repeat" option for reminders (like WinMo, that plays the sound over and over again every 30-60 seconds)
and so on.

...but not one by one
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try swyping the ones you want to dismiss off the screen to the right.

Could you make it any more obvious that you're trying to get 10 posts? Chances are, you're only doing it to post a question in the dev section (which isn't where questions should be). If you want to get to 10 posts, try actually answering questions, and see the first guide in my sig. Post reported.
@OP, I was sorry at my harshness earlier. Genuinely don't know why I was such an arse. Anyway, I think samsamuel has pretty much explained it. Sorry