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so I read that it has 710mb of rom for app storage, so can you not store apps on the 8 gigs (6.5)of internal mem?

1wingangel said:
so I read that it has 710mb of rom for app storage, so can you not store apps on the 8 gigs (6.5)of internal mem?
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Currently, you cannot store apps on the 6+ gig partition of the internal memory.
However, when you think about it, the 748MB allocated as internal storage, for apps, is already more total application storage than what most people allocate for themselves when using apps2sd on a rooted phone. For example, if you read some ROM threads, you should find reference to a suggested 512MB partition on SD card for apps2sd and the likelihood of never filling it up. So, even without root and apps2sd we have more apps storage than pretty much everyone else.
Aside from plain old app storage though, I am very curious to see what developers can do with these partitions and all that internal memory once root is achieved.

Well the good thing nowadays is that alot of developers store files on your sd card also, so you save alot of your app space. I've installed every app that i wanted (I've downloaded over 60) and i have 633mb left
plus most apps don't take much space anyways, alot are under a 1mb

I just heard that the evo has 1gig of storage, which is awesome, but I hate sprint and want to convince myself that the Incredible is a better phone.
so if you have an sd, and download something, does it go to internal or sd?
and when you plug in your phone to your pc, does it show two seperate hard drives(sd and internal)?

1wingangel said:
I just heard that the evo has 1gig of storage, which is awesome, but I hate sprint and want to convince myself that the Incredible is a better phone.
so if you have an sd, and download something, does it go to internal or sd?
and when you plug in your phone to your pc, does it show two seperate hard drives(sd and internal)?
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When you download something, by default it saves to your SD. I haven't found a setting to change that. However, you can move the files to your internal storage after you've finished downloading using Astro File Manager. The downside to all this right now is that all third party apps can only read from the SD card. So if you have music and you want to play them using a third party app, then you'll have to store them on the SD.

loyunsang said:
When you download something, by default it saves to your SD. I haven't found a setting to change that. However, you can move the files to your internal storage after you've finished downloading using Astro File Manager. The downside to all this right now is that all third party apps can only read from the SD card. So if you have music and you want to play them using a third party app, then you'll have to store them on the SD.
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Then whats the point of having that much internal storage?

When you download something, by default it saves to your SD. I haven't found a setting to change that. However, you can move the files to your inter
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Then whats the point of having that much internal storage?
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Things change. It'll be more use later this year. While DI is the first Android set to have internal memory, it won't be the last.
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1wingangel said:
Then whats the point of having that much internal storage?
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For pictures/music/videos to be used with stock media apps. I know, it's lame as of right now. Hopefully soon more app developers will create apps that will allow the incredible to access internal storage.

What's the internal memory good for ?

What good is internal memory on Droid X ? How can you access it and what can you put on there ?

It's faster than SD Card memory because it's built into the phone and doesn't have to pass data as far. You have 8 gigs of it built into the Droid X. I bet you could access it with the Android SDK methods, but I'm not sure if you can put it into mass storage mode like your SD Card.
TL;DR Internal memory faster than SD Card

The internal memory is the default location that all your apps are installed to if you do not choose to use app2sd to run them off of your sd card.
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amathophobia said:
The internal memory is the default location that all your apps are installed to if you do not choose to use app2sd to run them off of your sd card.
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are you sure ? haven't people been complaining of low memory space for apps, like only a few hundred MB.

I have tons of apps and don't use apps2sd for any of them (it gives me nothing but problems). Haven't had a single problem with not enough space.

StDevious said:
are you sure ? haven't people been complaining of low memory space for apps, like only a few hundred MB.
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there's RAM and there's internal memory. RAM is where the ACTIVE apps run, not where they are stored. There is only a few hundred megs of RAM, but thats fine. Internal task killer will start killing them if you managed to drop it below a certain level from running too many apps at once i.e. autokiller settings <> ATK.
What i wish is that apps with libraries could store the library in the internal rather than in the SDcard, it would help with clutter on the SDcard, and probably access faster too...

Benefit of installing to sdcard?

When I go to settings/storage, I see that I have 400 megs of internal storage still available. I believe all my apps are stored internally. So as long as I show space available, is there any other benefit of installing apps to the sdcard instead?

netter123 said:
When I go to settings/storage, I see that I have 400 megs of internal storage still available. I believe all my apps are stored internally. So as long as I show space available, is there any other benefit of installing apps to the sdcard instead?
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Well if you're a person who installs a ton of apps on their phone, then having an sdcard for extra storage isn't a bad idea.
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No, there's no benefit whatsoever in having the apps installed on SD card instead of internal memory. As long as you have enough internal memory to hold all the apps you want - moving them to SD card will just slow the loading of the phone, the loading of the apps themselves, will disable the apps when you're mounting the SD card on PC, and might create some other various mild annoyances.

SD card as internal.

I have a 128 gb class 10 SD card. If I use it as internal can I still copy my 45gb of music through my computer?
Also what happened to the move to SD card option for apps?
I've also notice with Google play music you can't select SD card as storage for offline music.
I was pretty excited about this feature but I'm a little disappointed.
Maybe if I explore it a bit more I'll figure it out.

Spacemonkie4207 said:
I have a 128 gb class 10 SD card. If I use it as internal can I still copy my 45gb of music through my computer?
Also what happened to the move to SD card option for apps?
I've also notice with Google play music you can't select SD card as storage for offline music.
I was pretty excited about this feature but I'm a little disappointed.
Maybe if I explore it a bit more I'll figure it out.
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If you connect your Play (with adaptive storage active) to a computer via usb the computer cannot seem to veiw anything on the phone. So you can't copy anything to the phone. Not very good really.
If you go settings, apps and then select an app you then select storage of that app and you have the option to move the app from there. That said not all apps have the storage option including Google Play Music. I do find that MM manages storage between internal and the sd card very well when adaptive storage is used. It's not perfect though. My next phone will be bigger than 16gb which is silly in this day and age. Relying on cloud storage is all well and good but can be useless in some rural locations (UK) with no data service signal.
I'm a little disappointed but on the whole I've got past the limited storage of a 16gb phone. Note to self - don't EVER buy a 16gb phone again. The music thing I get round by using Google Music and Spotify. You can copy music to your phone via such as Solid Explorer and move music from your cloud service (Drive, dropbox etc) to your phone. Solid Explorer and others can see folders and files on your phone.

You should be able to set the "Storage Location" in the Downloading section of Google Music's settings screen. Perhaps setting your SD card as internal memory removes your ability to select it though.

Spacemonkie4207 said:
I have a 128 gb class 10 SD card. If I use it as internal can I still copy my 45gb of music through my computer?
Also what happened to the move to SD card option for apps?
I've also notice with Google play music you can't select SD card as storage for offline music.
I was pretty excited about this feature but I'm a little disappointed.
Maybe if I explore it a bit more I'll figure it out.
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Move to SD card option is gone with MM.
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K.khiladi said:
Move to SD card option is gone with MM.
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Can I use my card as internal but somehow copy my music to it?

Chaotic-Entropy said:
You should be able to set the "Storage Location" in the Downloading section of Google Music's settings screen. Perhaps setting your SD card as internal memory removes your ability to select it though.
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Yeah it does, option is gone with sd card as internal. Hopefully they fix it.

Spacemonkie4207 said:
Can I use my card as internal but somehow copy my music to it?
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The move to SD card option won't be back now until Google wants that and that doesn't seem happening.
You can't do anything with your card once it's formatted as internal storage. The system will automatically decide what to do.
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K.khiladi said:
The move to SD card option won't be back now until Google wants that and that doesn't seem happening.
You can't do anything with your card once it's formatted as internal storage. The system will automatically decide what to do.
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I've heard it can kill the SD card very quickly because of cache and number of reads and writes. How much truth is there to this?

Anyone else is having problems formatting his sd card as internal storage in marshmallow? my phone gets stuck at 30% formatting and never finishes, and i tried factory resetting. Formatting as portable storage works just fine.
any ideas?

Just wondering... Which size? I would assume that there could be a max size per partition...

Spacemonkie4207 said:
I've heard it can kill the SD card very quickly because of cache and number of reads and writes. How much truth is there to this?
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Not much, the card might be worn out quicker but your still looking at 3 to 5 years with heavy writes and by that time you will probably have changed phone.

dreinulldrei said:
Just wondering... Which size? I would assume that there could be a max size per partition...
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64 gb, but i've heard people with other devices that managed to make it work with 128gb cards
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About the adoptable storage in Android M and its work description (basing on analysis of upstream AOSP M code i did some time ago; note that there may be little differences depending on changes done by phone vendors for different devices).
There are 2 possible states of external storage (SD card in particular), the second one being available only if it is enabled in device configuration before build:
- portable - only accessible with Storage Access Framework and file browser in Settings app; most of the media apps won't see media files stored on external storage, as media scanner is disabled for this type of storage
- internal - external storage is wiped and encrypted with the same key as the very device (so factory reset will cause data loss, as then encryption key is changed, and after moving the storage to other device it content will be unavailable); this one has two substates
- - data not migrated: apps data and user data is being kept on internal storage; only internal storage is visible via MTP; if I remember correctly, external storage can be used only for moving apps installation on it in this case
- - data migrated: apps data and user data is moved to external storage and it replaces internal storage for user and app data storing; only external storage is visible via MTP (internal storage is used only for keeping system files and apps installations in this case); I would recommend not formatting SD card this way if it has lower capacity than internal storage.
About the issue of never ending formatting as internal: as the data is fully wiped from the card, new filesystem is created, and there is an overhead for encryption, this operation is time consuming. By default there is quite short timeout set for the operation, and if it is hit, formatting as internal will be aborted (leaving card in broken state). I suggest getting very fast card for this use (especially if it has high capacity), so for 128G the ones that people get to work were most probably ones with around 90+MB/s R/W performance.

Spacemonkie4207 said:
Can I use my card as internal but somehow copy my music to it?
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Yes. I was wrong earlier in this post. If you plug your phone into computer then from drop down menu on phone select MTP rather than charge only, you can then see all files on sd card. You should be able to copy files across as usual. Seems to work on mine with adaptive storage enabled. You can only see files on the sd card and not internal memory.

I have bought a 64gb sd card with 90MB/s read and 80 MB/s write. I hope it works now.

I formatted my SD card as internal but ran out of space. Although storage showed I had 50+ GB free I couldn't install anything.
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You can move some apps to sd card which will free up some space on internal. Not all apps give you the option though. I reverted back from adaptive storage.

Apps like Spotify don't save music data to "adopted" SD card. Google Music seems to have similar issue. I keep my music content on the SD card - do that is a bit of an issue for me that Google "hates" my SD card .
Maybe this issue will be resolved in future android/app updates.

One thing - Change your storage for pictures taken through camera to SD card
Also move songs that you download to SD card as they get stored to internal storage.
Dont format your SD card if you want to see the data in your SD card on pc and file managers.
Let the apps install on internal.
Try to move every other data to SD card periodically.
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habskilla said:
I formatted my SD card as internal but ran out of space. Although storage showed I had 50+ GB free I couldn't install anything.
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Thats bonkers, i thought the whole point of adopted storage was you just ended up with one bigger lump of memory.

Error moving data to SD card

Hi everyone,
I just bought a Micro SD evo+ (Samsung 64 GB) for my moto G plus. I formatted it as an internal storage. I moved few of my apps. However, I dont know how to move music and photos. There is no option for that. In the SD card menu, when I click on migrate data, it says "There was an error in estimating the data to be moved".
I was wondering if anyone can help me please.
Kind regards

I'm seeing that same error message when I try to migrate data on my G4. Has anyone any idea what's causing this and how to fix?

It's due to the security features of Marshmallow.
There is no permission for direct write access to sd card by default.

I had to format my SD card as a portable storage in order to migrate my photos and music. However, in that case, App data cannot be saved on the sd card. As an internal storage, the Apps can be saved on sd card but I could not migrate my photos and music. It is posdible that it has something to do with the Marshmallow security. I have also heard that such issue exists for 64 FB cards. I d be certain if one could try a 32 GB sd card.
Cheers

Kambiz983 said:
I had to format my SD card as a portable storage in order to migrate my photos and music. However, in that case, App data cannot be saved on the sd card. As an internal storage, the Apps can be saved on sd card but I could not migrate my photos and music. It is posdible that it has something to do with the Marshmallow security. I have also heard that such issue exists for 64 FB cards. I d be certain if one could try a 32 GB sd card.
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For the same reason Azal3a mentioned above, that's the way it works.
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I have exactly the same issue with my 128gb Samsung Evo card, but I also tried SanDisk 32gb and this didn't work

AZAL3A said:
It's due to the security features of Marshmallow.
There is no permission for direct write access to sd card by default.
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But is there a solution? How do you actually make it work?

When you format the SD as "internal storage" you don't have a SD anymore, it's all one big storage space.
If you format the SD normal, then the photo and video app (and other apps like maps) might let you save on the SD - will be inside each app settings. But the apps cannot be moved on SD.

My experience with it is same as above. If you format it as internal it makes it added as virtual drive space. Kinda like adding an external drive to an Xbox. It make it virtual hard drive. Formating at removable makes it slower but an be used as raw storage standalone and removable.

SoNic67 said:
When you format the SD as "internal storage" you don't have a SD anymore, it's all one big storage space.
If you format the SD normal, then the photo and video app (and other apps like maps) might let you save on the SD - will be inside each app settings. But the apps cannot be moved on SD.
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LOL, this has been discussed dozens of times on XDA going back to the Moto G3. Even with it used as internal, there is actually very little space it will save you when you discount system apps and the apps that developers block from installing to the SD.

Actually people don't realize that they need a premium SD to even come close of the speed that internal storage has. They buy crappy SD from eBay and expect to launch apps from that... ridiculous. That's why MM imposed those restrictions.
To be used as adopted storage, the SD needs to be at least "UHS I, class 3", with 90MB/s read and write speeds.

Thanks for the useless reply. While it is true that performance will be better with faster cards there's no definite reason other cards should not be able to be used and your reply does nothing to address the original posters question. Has anyone found a solution or shall I look into wiping my phone and installing ubuntu?

Kambiz983 said:
Hi everyone,
I just bought a Micro SD evo+ (Samsung 64 GB) for my moto G plus. I formatted it as an internal storage. I moved few of my apps. However, I dont know how to move music and photos. There is no option for that. In the SD card menu, when I click on migrate data, it says "There was an error in estimating the data to be moved".
I was wondering if anyone can help me please.
Kind regards
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Try clearing cache and then migrate.