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Is it just me, or is it weird that XDA disallows the posting of xap files for paid apps, but has a forum for HD2's running WP7?
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it's just you.
Hagenlund said:
it's just you.
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ok fair enough...
Let me be more direct then.
How does the same policy that condemns the posting of .xap files for paid apps justify the piracy of Microsoft's WP7 OS?
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ok fair enough...
Let me be more direct then.
How does the same policy that condemns the posting of .xap files for paid apps justify the piracy of Microsoft's WP7 OS?
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Because its completley and utterly different.
If your moaning because you cant post/download warez here, go away, there are other forums for that, XDA is not the place.
I'm not advocating piracy at all. I just don't understand the double standard, or how it's "completley(sic) and utterly different"
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I think this thread is useless. I mean, why will you complain about something that is almost a miracle, that DFT made for us? Didn't you like that we can now run almost all smartphones OS on our HD2?
Man, I think you should review about your questions...
On the contrary, we need gripe and complaint threads so we can piss and moan without cluttering up the real threads. Not like I would post a complaint... people here are ruthless.
And I agree. It's laughable that I can come to these forums and hack the crap out of my phone with pirated OS software but I can't find apps to go with it.
Saw a ROM thread shut down for stuff like this. Ridiculous considering the ROM itself is PIRATED AND STOLEN... btw ty DFT
I equate it to the term military intelligence... just don't make no sense.
Its in microsoft's best interest to let as many people experience WP7 as they can, because then eventually they would want their next device be an ACTUAL WP7 device.
In terms of policy, why fix something that aint broke? If MS had a problem, they would have had this forum removed a long time ago. But even after months, it still exists.
And since you are already posting from a WP7 device, I would say the question is, why would u post this here? no hostility intended, just wondering....
One answer to the question - and I'm not saying it's the correct one - is that paid for XAPs are, by definition, available for sale through commercial channels. Posting them on here for free is clearly theft.
A mobile phone OS is supplied with hardware in order to make the hardware operate. It is not available to buy as a standalone product - Windows 7 for PC is a purchasable product; WP7 for mobile is not a purchasable product.
Just because there is no specific price to a product doesn't necessarily mean it's free, but it's that bit more difficult to cry 'thief'.
Arguably MS has more to gain from the extended testing offered by this community and it seems to me that MS tend to talk more about 'not supported' than 'not allowed' when it comes to people using WP7 on HD2 devices.
Therefore ROMs are tolerated, warez are not.
It may be harder to prove legally, WP7 may be a product that isn't for sale publicly, and Microsoft might look the other way, but that doesn't mean it still isn't stealing. Wrong is wrong regardless how one spins it.
I am thankful to all those in this community for their efforts and achievements, and I am glad that Microsoft is allowing this to continue, but let's face it... if you want to hack up and redistribute someone else's intellectual property they spent years and millions developing, you should go to work for Microsoft or pay them for the rights to use it.
Fact is, to sanction one form of stealing and ban another is a double standard.
Keep up the good work all. More free apps.. down with greedy bastards!!
I would guess that if the site was seen to breaking the law, MS would come after it and the ROM's would be taken down. The mere fact that the site has been hosting MS roms for ages now (not just WM7) also suggests MS can either do little about it or don't want to. It has to be the latter but the OP still raises an interesting question.
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I would guess that if the site was seen to breaking the law, MS would come after it and the ROM's would be taken down. The mere fact that the site has been hosting MS roms for ages now (not just WM7) also suggests MS can either do little about it or don't want to. It has to be the latter but the OP still raises an interesting question.
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When cooking a WM ROM to put replace/use on a device already running WM you are basically modifying something that you already own, the WM OS.
Android is open source, and even though you still taking the someone else's extensive work with the open source and hacking it and using it, it typically is used in the same fashion, to replace an existing Andriod OS.
The Jungle, by Upton Sinclair, is public domain, and anyone can publish the text without royalties. It is, essentially, "opensource". However, it is illegal to photocopy and distribute my published edition of the book, with my artwork, my forewords and my apendixes filled with historical facts and data.
WP7 on an HD2 is different from all of these examples. It is ripping an OS from a device and distributing it illegally to others. If this was done with Windows 7 on a PC, no one would defend this. It would clearly be piracy.
Honestly, when I first heard of the WP7 port onto HD2, I thought it was cool and considered going that route myself, mostly because I loved the hardware. I'm not casting judgement on anyone.
I have read through many threads where mods came in and banned something that might be piracy.
There was a thread discussing the actual numbers of WP7 apps where a huge piracy debate ensued just because a screen shot showing the number of available apps might have also shown software that could be used to pirate software.
This comes up again in threads where device specific software is .xap'ed and made available to other devices.
It's a fuzzy line as to what XDA deems ok and what it will squash, eventhough I think the line of what is legal and what is not is far less fuzzy.
I brought the topic here, because this forum exists in it's entirety within that fuzzy gray area. I thought that maybe I was missing something, maybe MS ok'ed this, or maybe there was some mobile device OS exclusion that I was unaware of.
XDA is the way it is, I guess.
"sharing" paid apps is "piracy" and banned
"sharing" device specific apps is "research" and usually ok, even if they are paid apps elsewhere in the universe and are obviously used to entice buyers to specific handsets
"sharing" an OS is... ? "idk, stop asking," even if it isn't open source and can only be purchased with a device.
My 2 cents
From my perspective I would gladly pay Microsoft for WP7 for the HD2 if they would offer it. Just like I gladly pay for apps that are offered as such as well. The reason I think it is not a double standard to rip WP7 and not paid apps is evident in how Microsoft is handling the issue. They know that from a customer service standpoint is it ridiculous not to offer WP7 for the HD2. But like they said, the button layout doesn't quite work and I'm not sure they want to take the time and money creating support for the OS on the HD2.
Enter XDA: Microsoft thinks: Here's a group of folks that will do all that for us. So we lose a few bucks by not forcing people to buy the HD7 right now. Heck, people have always been pissed at us for doing that kind of thing anyway. Why don't we let these guys do their thing, keep the HD2 owners happy, and win some new customers with our sweet new OS. This way they never call us and we save time and money by not supporting the OS but we also look nice as we don't call them on it and ask them to stop.
And in my opinion, it's working. We baulked at Windows mobile compared to iOS or Android but MS has a good thing going with WP7. I'm interested.
And I trust that Microsoft need only ask and XDA would stop producing WP7 for HD2.
actually i really agree on what the OP brought up i mean its an amazing achievement and something that is mind blowing to have WP7, Android whatever your taste is on to our device but yeah i do think there is some sort of grey area in the piracy policy but without piracy where would we be? its a hate love thing i guess the bad thing about downloading Paid XAPs is that they werent meant to be downloaded illegaly and i bet all of us have done the crime, who here hasnt downloaded Windows 7 OS for your PC and run it illegaly? or XP or even MAC? we all do it yet its in a weird way acceptable but programs on the other hand seem to be viewed in a different way..i guess because an actual individual and not a REAL wall street company created these apps it hurts them more since i guess they expect to earn income and to some extent is what they do for a living..who knows..i guess thats my point of view on this...this isnt a useless thread is quite a smart question/topic on whats legal and whats illegal to do on here
while the OP theoretically makes a good point here's how it works practically:
*MS obviously doesn't give a **** because they've sent no C&D and they even give us keys when we say we're using an HD2
*This does not take any money away from MS because they won't sell us a WP7 license anyways
*No one actually is making ANY money from doing this EXCEPT wp7 developers.
*It is a gray area, and since there has been no C&D of any sort then it is totally different than cracking a paid app and distributing it, because the developers do care and do lose money and it is black and white
*W'eve seen these threads a thousand times and we're pretty sick of all the same arguments, that's why you're getting some vitriol, like that guy at the party who gets drunk and tells you the same "remember when I scored that touchdown?" story he's told you 5 gazillion times.
I agree. Posting Paid Apps that developers made is wrong. this is their way of living to gain an income. Besides if you wanted paid Xaps for free google search the name of the xap and put a sharing behind im sure you will come up with results.
CZARSUPERSTAR.
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MYTOUCH 3.5
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COBY KYROS TABLET
Agree 100% with orangekid.
Just want to add that MS itself has only to gain with this:
- They get money for each app bought and some services you use from them
- And guess what, they don't have to bother getting resources for supporting the HD2, as officially it is unsupported.
So, actually, everybody gains with WP7 in the HD2. Did you really think that MS was getting rich with the 10€ or so each WP7 license costs the manufacter?
It's all fun and games until someone is hurt. Nobody is being hurt or damaged. Although one might say that phone manufacters could be losing sales as people may buy an HD2 and run WP7 on it... But perhaps it is not significant enough...
On first blush, the "microsoft aint doing nothing about it so obviously it's ok" argument seems lame, but it may be somewhat valid. Maybe MS should get some props for allowing something like this to pass. I don't believe it's a matter of "not worth their time" or "nothing they can do about it". They shut down VistaTorrent, http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/2006/06/30/microsoft-delivers-cease-and-desist-order-in-a-frame/, when they were distributing a free, open to the public, beta version. They put a stop to the Chevron team. As someone said, they could probably just ask XDA and this forum would go away. Maybe they will some day, who knows.
Is it true that you can call MS and tell them you're trying to install WP7 on an HD2 and they will just give you a reg number?
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On first blush, the "microsoft aint doing nothing about it so obviously it's ok" argument seems lame, but it may be somewhat valid. Maybe MS should get some props for allowing something like this to pass. I don't believe it's a matter of "not worth their time" or "nothing they can do about it". They shut down VistaTorrent, http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/2006/06/30/microsoft-delivers-cease-and-desist-order-in-a-frame/, when they were distributing a free, open to the public, beta version. They put a stop to the Chevron team. As someone said, they could probably just ask XDA and this forum would go away. Maybe they will some day, who knows.
Is it true that you can call MS and tell them you're trying to install WP7 on an HD2 and they will just give you a reg number?
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From many reports in the threads talking about reg keys users have said they told reps they were using an HD2 and were still given the key
munkeyphyst said:
ok fair enough...
Let me be more direct then.
How does the same policy that condemns the posting of .xap files for paid apps justify the piracy of Microsoft's WP7 OS?
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1. When you buy a mobile phone, you cant choose a special OS for it (like Windows, Linux, Mac OS for a PC, the reason is that the software manufacturers don't do that because it is too complex, not everyone knows how to flash correctly a device) so you get an OS with it
2. The device manufacturers like HTC pays in advance the licence fees for the OS when selling the phone. So when you buy it, you pay automaticly the licence fee which is not so much then a licence for a regular pc. Android for exemple is free to use, for Windows phone/mobile the manufacturer pays normally 20$ for each device sold.
3. The device is already pre-installed
4. I called once microsoft and told them that I have a HD2 with WP7 and the agent told me that it is not supportet by them, but not illegal.
"There has been overwhelmingly customer feedback that people want access to open bootloaders on HTC phones. I want you to know that we've listened. Today, I'm confirming we will no longer be locking the bootloaders on our devices. Thanks for your passion, support and patience," Peter Chou, CEO of HTC.
Sources: http://www.facebook.com/pages/HTC-Sensation/175735282481671
But still, they haven't made any statement in context to already released phones
I doubt they will add support for released phones.
Wildfire is EOL this wont apply to us but probably only there up and coming phones.
Thank you HTC, and well done.
But is that confirmed? lets hope that not some Facebook user in some prank pretending to be the HTC CEO.
There is nothing yet on there press page http://www.htc.com/uk/press/2011.html
It's real , but sadly it won't happen to already released phones
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It's real , but sadly it won't happen to already released phones
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That's really a great injustice to the already released devices. (if it is so)
@ bharatgaddameedi, i just read your "Rooting Android: The War Between Carriers and Consumers" article.
Very interesting...
I'm no expert, so let me ask the question, is Android not built on Linux? If so do Linux not have terms which state that while there software systems can be modified and used for profit it must remain completely open at all times.
If that is the case would manufacturers who use Linux derived operating systems not be in violation of those terms by locking the OS?
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@ bharatgaddameedi, i just read your "Rooting Android: The War Between Carriers and Consumers" article.
Very interesting...
I'm no expert, so let me ask the question, is Android not built on Linux? If so do Linux not have terms which state that while there software systems can be modified and used for profit it must remain completely open at all times.
If that is the case would manufacturers who use Linux derived operating systems not be in violation of those terms by locking the OS?
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Sorry that was not my article actually. I just found it on searching and liked it very much. So im trying to share it. And it was based on an opinion piece.
Anyway i will try to search for ur things.
Alright thanks
Les1976 said:
Thank you HTC, and well done.
But is that confirmed? lets hope that not some Facebook user in some prank pretending to be the HTC CEO.
There is nothing yet on there press page http://www.htc.com/uk/press/2011.html
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Lesa, this news is confirmed...Infact it's all over the internet by now
Few more links:
http://htcsource.com/2011/05/official-htc-will-no-longer-be-locking-bootloaders-on-their-devices/
http://www.thunderboltforums.com/fo...iscussion/2750-htc-unlocking-bootloaders.html
Ok, great. thanks
Now this petition has spread to famous magazines like pc world check it out.
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Now this petition has spread to famous magazines like pc world check it out.
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Nice, Link?
Whoop.... never mind, http://www.pcworld.com/article/228823/htc_ends_locked_bootloader_policy.html
**** u htc . i really hate this ****ing stupid company and thier ****ing policy.
they said that will not open the bootloader for old devices like wildfire and so on
ohhh my godness!!!!
Another good news-
Alpharev soon releasing a method for wildfire with hboot 1.01 check out the Rom Development forum here.
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Another good news-
Alpharev soon releasing a method for wildfire with hboot 1.01 check out the Rom Development forum here.
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Normaly alpharev only works on rooted devices, which in our case is the problem in the first place. I know that HCDRjacob said something else, but I wouldn't put to much hope on it..
Erwin
All,
Since today's announcement of the WP8 features, I immediately began to think of the homebrew community. I think we should start a funding for the homebrew pioneers so that they can get a WP8 device to test with.
What does everyone think of this?
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wp8 donation threads
snickler said:
All,
Since today's announcement of the WP8 features, I immediately began to think of the homebrew community. I think we should start a funding for the homebrew pioneers so that they can get a WP8 device to test with.
What does everyone think of this?
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Hi there,
Before any donations are given, clear objectives need to be set with approximate timescales, This way clear expectations are set up and there's not room for donators to say things like "You got the device already 5 minutes ago, why isn't it hacked yet????????"
Below are some guidelines for consideration in how the thread is constructed and managed, this is not conclusive but for guidance
The developer needs to be made aware, approve of the action, and post in the thread (preferably post 1 or 2 so that it's clearly visible) his paypal/other account for accepting donations, the account info should NOT be posted by someone who is not the developer (unless it links directly to a post by the developer containing the same info, with some text like "this is the donation info, check <link to post>post xxxx by developer</link to post> for more info") - this way there's no question of authenticity and where the donations are going.
In the same post as above, the developer should detail his intentions once the device/software/product/etc is obtained, and if possible a rough timeline
The developer should have at least one or two major contributions to the community under his belt before any large donation thread is made.
There should be a clear statement from the developer and/or the thread starter that there is absolutely NO obligation on the developers part to release a final product. Although this is what everyone wants, the entire reason for a donation drive in the first place is because it's not the easiest thing in the world to do. This means it may not even be possible in the long run. There's a great potential for hurt feelings and "bad juju" if people donate with the expectation that a final product WILL 100% be released. Donations should be seen as support towards a best-effort on the part of the developer.
it is obviously early days in the world of wp8 development but with the looming release of wp8 and the new devices it will bring, exciting times lay ahead.
Please do not post in this thread unless it is specifically development related and any questions regarding the content/structure of this thread should be made via pm to me or any other senior moderator.
Greetz.
Edit: this thread will be occasionally cleaned of all off topic chat, don't be offended if your post disappears
In my Opinio we should "all" Focus one Phone.
Like the legendary HD2 is used by the most people here (i guess), which provides the most costumization depending on rom's etc.
I think a Phone like the HTC Zenith would be a nice follower of the HD2
win98 said:
In my Opinio we should "all" Focus one Phone.
Like the legendary HD2 is used by the most people here (i guess), which provides the most costumization depending on rom's etc.
I think a Phone like the HTC Zenith would be a nice follower of the HD2
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exactly.
It's a Windows 8 Enterprise RTM x64 N English Version.
N Version is with out Media Player.
I attach the torrent of Win8 at the end of this post
Here you have a tutorial to make ISO bootable:
If you can´t to see here you have youtube link
WBI Creator Download
Bootable USB utillity Download
To make bootable USB only you have after download it, make bootble ISO like you see at video and then select a bootable ISO and push "Start ISO" be careful the USB it will format. Or you can toast in a DVD with your favourite burner...
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Isn't this the leaked versions?....
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Why did you report me?
PoisonWolf said:
Isn't this the leaked versions?....
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I supose, It can be...
Pnx said:
Why did you report me?
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Because posting links to an official unreleased OS like this is akin to piracy perhaps, you can debate the ethics side of this all you like and the fact that without CD keys and working cracks its not technically illegal but I think the spirit of the forums suggests that it should not be on here.
RTM released is interesting news, we don't need dodgy links to it however and it just opens the doors for other material that may be considered even less ethical but along similar lines.
dazza9075 said:
Because posting links to an official unreleased OS like this is akin to piracy perhaps, you can debate the ethics side of this all you like and the fact that without CD keys and working cracks its not technically illegal but I think the spirit of the forums suggests that it should not be on here.
RTM released is interesting news, we don't need dodgy links to it however and it just opens the doors for other material that may be considered even less ethical but along similar lines.
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Ok, then I will take off all the win8 links. But I think technically it isn't a finally product... But I don't want any problem... I will leave only a video and Apps to make bootable the ISO and to make bootable USB with an ISO.
Pnx said:
Ok, then I will take off all the win8 links. But I think technically it isn't a finally product... But I don't want any problem... I will leave only a video and Apps to make bootable the ISO and to make bootable USB with an ISO.
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RTM is about as final as it gets given that this is what OEMs receive to start pumping out computers left right and centre
Unless MS make this publically available then it is there property to do as they will, which means its not ours an we cant go posting it around
but hey, strike one Win for self moderation on a forum without starting a flame fest!
We all should pat ourselves on the back
First, this is a very gray area. The leaked version of win8 could be viewed as no different to a phone os such as win phone 7. Its the life blood of xda.
On the flip side, as a licenced product its warez, and is against xda rules..
I'll allow this thread to continue subject to certain rules as discussion only.
1/ no links to the leaked version.
2/ discussion is fine but no links to any cracks or cracked versions of the os.
I'll keep an eye on this and will close this if any breaches occur
Regards
Chris
chrisd1a1 said:
First, this is a very gray area. The leaked version of win8 could be viewed as no different to a phone os such as win phone 7. Its the life blood of xda.
On the flip side, as a licenced product its warez, and is against xda rules..
I'll allow this thread to continue subject to certain rules as discussion only.
1/ no links to the leaked version.
2/ discussion is fine but no links to any cracks or cracked versions of the os.
I'll keep an eye on this and will close this if any breaches occur
Regards
Chris
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Ok, thanks
windows 7 usb tool is good enough to create a bootable usb
dazza9075 said:
Because posting links to an official unreleased OS like this is akin to piracy perhaps, you can debate the ethics side of this all you like and the fact that without CD keys and working cracks its not technically illegal but I think the spirit of the forums suggests that it should not be on here.
RTM released is interesting news, we don't need dodgy links to it however and it just opens the doors for other material that may be considered even less ethical but along similar lines.
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Even though Microsoft probably isn't happy that these leaked before their official release... They're not illegal. Hacking the activation or using a key that's been obtained through illicit means however would make it illegal. Otherwise it's pretty much a 30 day trial OS.
don't be so sure, the content of the ISOs is their IP, unless its officially distributed its not technically legal as it wasn't given permission to be distributed oh and its completely un trustworthy from MS point of view too. That's why I said grey, because you are right as well, nothing has been stolen unless you crack it... But is that really stealing... Software laws don't easily fit in to todays world
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Wow, what a douche bag. Hey ranger rick, thanks for looking out... /s
dpdoughty said:
Wow, what a douche bag. Hey ranger rick, thanks for looking out... /s
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Troll
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Suuuuure. Go read the definition.
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Suuuuure. Go read the definition.
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go read the forum rules
Its not pirated warez. Actually that OS is readily available to download on Microsoft's internal servers. Anyone can download it if they work there.
What's next, links to office 2013 preview are gonna be pulled because its not official and you have to have an account with ms to download it.
Next time don't be such a ****
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dpdoughty said:
Its not pirated warez. Actually that OS is readily available to download on Microsoft's internal servers. Anyone can download it if they work there.
What's next, links to office 2013 preview are gonna be pulled because its not official and you have to have an account with ms to download it.
Next time don't be such a ****
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Software piracy is the mislicensing, unauthorized reproduction and illegal distribution of software,
That paragraph was taken from microsofts own site. Clearly the OP does not have microsoft permission to distribute there software. Thus that makes it piracy and against forum rules.
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dpdoughty said:
Wow, what a douche bag. Hey ranger rick, thanks for looking out... /s
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Zeh rulez are zeh rulez!!!
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AndroHero said:
Software piracy is the mislicensing, unauthorized reproduction and illegal distribution of software,
That paragraph was taken from microsofts own site. Clearly the OP does not have microsoft permission to distribute there software. Thus that makes it piracy and against forum rules.
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Not seeing where it says distribution of RTM software sans crack or key is considered piracy. RTM doesnt even allow you to boot without a valid key at this point. No trial periods here. Perhaps you should see if the RIAA or the MPAA are hiring, you might find yourself more at home.
Hi,
I was unsure where to post this.. as there is no "GENERAL" HTC sub-forum.
Any of your members of "HTC PREVIEW" and got an invitation to participate yesterday?
Not me. It depends where you are and what devices and accessories you have.
anyone can join HTC Preview , https://preview.htc.com
and no i didnt get any top secret stuff from HTC , nor i could tell if i did
I don't imagine that most people who use this site will be eligible:
Before getting started, these are a few things to be aware of:
You must be of legal age to join HTC Preview. (In most countries, it is 18 or older.)
You must complete the user profile page.
[*]You must not have rooted or otherwise hacked your phone.
You must not be participating in any other mobile device Beta testing program.
You must agree to the Terms of Use, Privacy Statement and the HTC Trial Program Agreement.
In some rare occasions, Beta software might affect your device. It may be advisable to have another device you can use in the unlikely event that this happens.
HTC Preview will contact you by Email about new project invitations and any other notifications.
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Majority of people who come are here are looking to at least root their device. Also can't help but wonder if achieving S-OFF is included in the definition of "hacked" our phone.