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I herd reports from person experiencing better battery life by using a non htc or factory charger. Some also say it takes much longer to charge but are now easily getting two days or longer life than with stock chargers. I want to narrow it down and compare the results.
I want to know what is the output mA. It is usually located on the charger it self where it states the voltage. The factory charger for the N1 is 980 mA and via usb is 480 mA. So those who are experiencing better battery life as a result of the switch, what is your mA on the charger? Also what brand is it?
I suspect this is right!
Whenever I use the stock charger, battery drops really fast, even if not using the phone much.
I'll be measuring this and put here the results.
Please do. I'm gonna try a bb charger tonight and see if it lasts longer.
I can't imagine this being the case. The battery holds a specific charge. I have a motorola charger, 500mA, and when you charge via computer USB you are getting less too. At no point have i had exceptional battery life.
I've used 2 different mains chargers, a car charger and charged from 2 seperate PC's using 2 seperate µUSB cables, battery life remains roughly the same, as you would expect.
I use my Nokia N97 charger rated 5v 1200 mA and it charges the phone from empty quite fast...sometimes from 20-30% i get to 100% in 2 hours flat...i get about 1-1.5 days and haven't tried the standard HTC charger yet cos I feel Nokia's are better quality...i even use the old Nokia usb cable but don't think usb cables make any difference.
Your Nokia adaptor will charge faster due to the extra 200mA available to the phone (assuming it's able to draw it, but given the faster charge you would assume so).
Electricity is electricity.
The only changes you'll see between sources is how fast it charges the battery.
There are no magic chargers that charge the battery a certain way to "last longer".
Higher current chargers get to the "mostly full" state quicker because they are dumping power into the battery faster. But, the protective electronics on Li-Ion batteries will cut to a "topping charge" state sooner because the charge speed is so high. The topping charge level is the same speed regardless of charger and so switching to it earlier means you spend longer in that state.
A lower current charger will take longer to get to the "mostly full" state, but it will get closer to true 100% before the electronics kick into the topping charge mode.
The other thing to consider is that the indicators on devices often indicate "charged" when the phone reaches the "mostly full" state and so the higher current chargers appear to "finish" faster. But, if you look at the charging status you will still see that it is still taking on a charge. If you wait until that stops then you will be at a true 100%.
So, if you need to get the phone to the "mostly full" state then a higher current charger is better for a quick boost. But, if you want to get the phone to a full charge then the current level of the charger may be mostly a wash due to the fact that it has to spend more time in the topping charge mode. If you are charging overnight then it really doesn't matter which you use.
Now, one thing that Li-Ion batteries do not like at all is heat. When you use a higher current charger then you heat the battery more and its eventual life (i.e. how many months/years it will last) will be impacted more than a lower current charger. So, for overnight charging I'd rather use a lower current charger. But, if you need to dump a lot of charge into the battery quickly then a higher current charger is faster if you aren't worried about getting it to the 100% full state. But, for small batteries like in phones, stay less than the rating of the batter (i.e. no higher than a 1400mA charger for a 1400mAH battery). Below that level there should be no appreciable harm to longevity, but even still - the lower the charge rate the better in the long run.
See this page for information on topping charge and charge currents:
http://batteryuniversity.com/partone-12.htm
See this page for graphs of battery longevity with different charge rates:
http://batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm
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There are no magic chargers that charge the battery a certain way to "last longer".
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It is fuzzier than that.
A higher current charger will likely have the device report "I'm charged" with less power in the battery because what it really means is "I'm just doing a topping charge" and that topping charge can still be a good 10% or more of the battery life, especially higher with a stronger charger since the electronics have to be paranoid about over-charging and measuring the current changes that indicate the battery is truly full are harder when the charge rate is higher.
A lower current charger may not trigger the "I'm charged" indicators until it hits 95% full because it is pushing less on the trigger conditions.
If you have a habit of taking the phone off the charger when the indicator first goes green then you may see more battery life on the lower current charger, but it isn't magic - it's just the silly games that battery indicators play to impress the consumers.
Also, if you have a habit of taking it off the charger when it goes green then your battery may never get fully calibrated and so it may only be 70% full when it thinks it is full. But, a lower current charger may get you closer to full more often and thus cause you to reach a calibrated state easier and quicker.
For calibration you should always leave the phone on the charger until well after the light goes green, keeping it on even after the text indicator no longer indicates that any charge is happening (i.e. the lightning bolt is gone) and even then leave it on for a few hours past that anyway. Once calibrated then you have the maximum battery capacity available (modulo the "age" of the battery). It can take several hours to get a phone completely charged if it is poorly calibrated. And sometimes it may even get better with a couple of calibration cycles back to back (but only in extreme cases).
More info:
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Two chargers used - one is a mains -> usb charger. (i.e allows USB lead to be used via a mains plug)
Output is 5v @ 1A
Other is a plantronics charger.
Output is [email protected] 350mA.
"Mains" based charger gives around a day's worth of charge with standard use.
The Plantronics gives me 2 days worth at standard use.
There is a fairly clear "boost" in battery life from switching between the two chargers.
Highland3r said:
Two chargers used - one is a mains -> usb charger. (i.e allows USB lead to be used via a mains plug)
Output is 5v @ 1A
Other is a plantronics charger.
Output is [email protected] 350mA.
"Mains" based charger gives around a day's worth of charge with standard use.
The Plantronics gives me 2 days worth at standard use.
There is a fairly clear "boost" in battery life from switching between the two chargers.
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Well I just finish charing my N1 battery with a universal charger rated @ 200mA. It took over 4hours, I let it stay for 5. With my OEM charger I would get barely a day. So lets see how my battery lasts today.
flarbear said:
Higher current chargers get to the "mostly full" state quicker because they are dumping power into the battery faster. But, the protective electronics on Li-Ion batteries will cut to a "topping charge" state sooner because the charge speed is so high. The topping charge level is the same speed regardless of charger and so switching to it earlier means you spend longer in that state.
A lower current charger will take longer to get to the "mostly full" state, but it will get closer to true 100% before the electronics kick into the topping charge mode.
The other thing to consider is that the indicators on devices often indicate "charged" when the phone reaches the "mostly full" state and so the higher current chargers appear to "finish" faster. But, if you look at the charging status you will still see that it is still taking on a charge. If you wait until that stops then you will be at a true 100%.
So, if you need to get the phone to the "mostly full" state then a higher current charger is better for a quick boost. But, if you want to get the phone to a full charge then the current level of the charger may be mostly a wash due to the fact that it has to spend more time in the topping charge mode. If you are charging overnight then it really doesn't matter which you use.
Now, one thing that Li-Ion batteries do not like at all is heat. When you use a higher current charger then you heat the battery more and its eventual life (i.e. how many months/years it will last) will be impacted more than a lower current charger. So, for overnight charging I'd rather use a lower current charger. But, if you need to dump a lot of charge into the battery quickly then a higher current charger is faster if you aren't worried about getting it to the 100% full state. But, for small batteries like in phones, stay less than the rating of the batter (i.e. no higher than a 1400mA charger for a 1400mAH battery). Below that level there should be no appreciable harm to longevity, but even still - the lower the charge rate the better in the long run.
See this page for information on topping charge and charge currents:
http://batteryuniversity.com/partone-12.htm
See this page for graphs of battery longevity with different charge rates:
http://batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm
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Great points indeed. I've learning alot and thanks for the links.
Sarcasm, haha laugh a little.
But really, do you guys notice that it takes a long time for the battery to charge?
I think when available, I'll buy a bunch of batteries just to have handy.
well the battery is 1500mAh the nexus charged pretty quickly but it was 1400mAh i am not sure how much difference 100mAh will make on charging the battery but that could be a possibility.
Charging with the computer will always be slower, if that's what you're using.
I wonder if its the charger. The provided charger has an output rating of 0.7A. I know some microusb chargers I have seen are rated as high as 1.0A. That could be the difference.
soklean said:
well the battery is 1500mAh the nexus charged pretty quickly but it was 1400mAh i am not sure how much difference 100mAh will make on charging the battery but that could be a possibility.
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I was thinking the same thing...hhmm could 100mAh make that much of a difference?
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Charging with the computer will always be slower, if that's what you're using.
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I always try to avoid using the computer to charge my phone. It just seems to take awfully long even plugged into the wall.
landale said:
I wonder if its the charger. The provided charger has an output rating of 0.7A. I know some microusb chargers I have seen are rated as high as 1.0A. That could be the difference.
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Interesting...that could be. However, maybe it's 0.7A for a reason? Perhaps the battery needs to have it at that "flow rate." ???
We did get a different charger over the i9000, they had a separate USB cable and microUSB wall charger. We obviously don't have that setup.
Some phones have Li-Pol batteries and they have to charge differently. This could be why it's taking so long to recharge.
check a tmobile store or website for the new portable micro usb charger. charges your phone on the go and recharges itself via a usb charger the vibrant ships with or your computer. i got mine and was a lifesaver the other night when i needed to leave my house with 10% charged.
I hate saying this, but: I literally LOL'd from the title of this thread.
I completely agree. Charging takes fuggin' forever. My guess would be that turning the device off helps speed this up, tremendously. But of course, who wants to do that?
That said, battery life has been impressively long, provided you turn off Samsung's widgets. :/
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Interesting...that could be. However, maybe it's 0.7A for a reason? Perhaps the battery needs to have it at that "flow rate." ???
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That would be a huge design oversight if a generic charger caused problems with the battery. I'm sure Samsung thought about the user charging with a generic charger.
Mine charges pretty fast I'm using the usb that came with the moto cliq
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Mine charges pretty fast I'm using the usb that came with the moto cliq
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How fast is fast, iceshinobi?
I have conditioned my battery twice and going from empty with the phone off and pluged into the wall not via usb-pc, took me over 4hrs each time.
If the charger is 0.7 going to a 1.0 would be a huge improvement. The only worry would be the extra heat and problems that might cause. With NiMH batteries quick charging is preferable to slow charging, is this the same for Li-ion?
came here for insight as well, woke up at like 5am, phone was almost dead, 10% battery or so
turned it off, plugged it in to the wall charger and it is now 8am and it is maybe 60-70% charged
what the hell?
with my g1 turned off i can go from 0 to 100% charge in like an hour or so using a USB port. now i know the battery is smaller but c'mon... this is ridiculous.
Could it be that the phone just has to break in? When I first got G1 it would take about 4 hours to charge I remember, now a year and a half later I can get it to 80-90 percent in 1 and a half.
The computer USB standard is 100 to 500 milliamp, the USB walloulet adapter (charger) Is 700 milliamp, our batteries are 1500 milliamp and that's why.
USB cables have a certain standards witch includes voltage and current standards.
If you want a fast charger look for a hard wired 1000-1200 milliamp charger with a micro USB connector on ebay.
siberslug said:
The computer USB standard is 100 to 500 milliamp, the USB walloulet adapter (charger) Is 700 milliamp, our batteries are 1500 milliamp and that's why.
USB cables have a certain standards witch includes voltage and current standards.
If you want a fast charger look for a hard wired 1000-1200 milliamp charger with a micro USB connector on ebay.
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Interesting...having a 1000+ milliamp charger shouldn't cause heat issues would it for pumping in more juice at a higher rate?
Just for ****s and giggles. I decided to use my Turbo Charger on all Moto Devices. My Acer A-200 went from 20% to 100% in 30 minutes. I know The Acer is not Moto. Just saying. My Droid Turbo Went from 0% to 100% in Like 20 minutes. Did the same thing with my free tablet that Verizon added an xtra line to my bill which I did not know. The QMV7B which by the way I have already rooted. C'mon Turbo let's get our root on. But any hoot. The tab went from 10% to 100% also in 15 minutes. In theory does the Turbo pack work for all devices?
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Just for ****s and giggles. I decided to use my Turbo Charger on all Moto Devices. My Acer A-200 went from 20% to 100% in 30 minutes. I know The Acer is not Moto. Just saying. My Droid Turbo Went from 0% to 100% in Like 20 minutes. Did the same thing with my free tablet that Verizon added an xtra line to my bill which I did not know. The QMV7B which by the way I have already rooted. C'mon Turbo let's get our root on. But any hoot. The tab went from 10% to 100% also in 15 minutes. In theory does the Turbo pack work for all devices?
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I could be wrong, but the basic theory is you are shoving ALOT of amps down those batteries throats. The Droid Turbo battery is designed to handle this while the other devices...I dont know. My normal charger is 1A and I have a 2A charger in my car those devices are normally meant for Apple products. So mainly yeah the charger technically works and charges stuff fast, but it 'could' shorten the lifespan of your battery if it's not meant to handle that high a charge rate.
This is TERRIVKR!! DO NOT USA THE CHARGER ON OTHER PHONES. I WROTE a huge thing pm my phone about this. SwiftKey sucks ass on xda and idk why. Not correcting any of its mistakes (hit back button by accident and that erased what I originally wrote) . This is no new technology and it's just some bull money maker. It's terrible for batteries and can cause them toeexplod. It mmakes the turbo hot wwhen charging it..... You don't want that junk. I refuse to use this charger.
I had read the bundled charger will charge non quick charge 2.0 compatible devices at normal rates. Your tests are indicating otherwise.
Opzon said:
This is TERRIVKR!! DO NOT USA THE CHARGER ON OTHER PHONES. I WROTE a huge thing pm my phone about this. SwiftKey sucks ass on xda and idk why. Not correcting any of its mistakes (hit back button by accident and that erased what I originally wrote) . This is no new technology and it's just some bull money maker. It's terrible for batteries and can cause them toeexplod. It mmakes the turbo hot wwhen charging it..... You don't want that junk. I refuse to use this charger.
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The Turbo's battery is designed to charge fast, it's similar anode coating technology used in the battery banks of electric vehicles to give them a quick charge. All Li-Ion batteries have internal power management circuitry (PMIC) that are designed to charge that battery responsibly and prevent thermal runaway. That being said, I would not charge a device at a higher amperage than it is designed for, these PMICs are not infallible and thermal runaway can still occur. So to the OP: I would stick to using the charger that came with the respective device you are charging, a venting Li-Ion battery's gasses turns into hydrofluoric acid when it makes contact with water, ie the moisture in your throat and lungs. Not worth the hospital visit for ****s and giggles!
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I could be wrong, but the basic theory is you are shoving ALOT of amps down those batteries throats. The Droid Turbo battery is designed to handle this while the other devices...I dont know. My normal charger is 1A and I have a 2A charger in my car those devices are normally meant for Apple products. So mainly yeah the charger technically works and charges stuff fast, but it 'could' shorten the lifespan of your battery if it's not meant to handle that high a charge rate.
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The Turbo (or other Quick charge compatible chargers) DO NOT do their thing because of higher amperage, they use higher VOLTAGE the lower the battery's reported discharge. If you looks at the words printed on your charger you will see that it operates at three different voltages but always the same maximum amperage (1.4-1.6 amps) which is still lower than the amperage provided by newer Samsung chargers (2 amps). It starts high voltage then steps down as the battery fills. There is also circuitry in the charger itself that checks to see if a Qualcomm chipset is present that can handle the new charging logic.
Here is a list of devices and chargers that can "quick" charge https://www.qualcomm.com/news/snapdragon/2014/06/04/quick-charge-20-has-arrived. If it doesn't have Qualcomm snapdragon, the device will just use the charger as a normal 5v 1.6 amp charger.
And more quick charge info: http://www.androidauthority.com/quick-charge-explained-563838/
El Perfecto said:
I had read the bundled charger will charge non quick charge 2.0 compatible devices at normal rates. Your tests are indicating otherwise.
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You are correct, the bundled charger specifically states on the charging block the amperage that it will provide various devices. I charged my droid bionic with it, took normal time.
I'm wondering if the heat I hear about being generated before the charging rate slows down after 50% would have any negative impact on battery life. Would there be any benefit in using my multi-port charger for overnight charges when I am not in a hurry to charge the battery?
Also, I assume that the battery doesn't have any memory, and that there's no reason to break it in, fully discharge periodically, etc. and that it's okay to charge a little or a lot regardless of the current charge state. Is that correct?
This is a question i would like to know the answer to as well
I did a slow charge last night and the battery seemed to discharge s little slower this morning fwiw, but that's not terribly scientific.
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There's already a thread for this. No, it doe not harm battery life.
Darnell_Chat_TN said:
There's already a thread for this. No, it doe not harm battery life.
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Could you please point me towards that thread? I didn't locate it with a few search combinations. Thanks.
Mississip said:
I'm wondering if the heat I hear about being generated before the charging rate slows down after 50% would have any negative impact on battery life. Would there be any benefit in using my multi-port charger for overnight charges when I am not in a hurry to charge the battery?
Also, I assume that the battery doesn't have any memory, and that there's no reason to break it in, fully discharge periodically, etc. and that it's okay to charge a little or a lot regardless of the current charge state. Is that correct?
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Fast Charging Lithium = Battery damage. It's basic chemistry. The cells take mechanical damage from expanding too quickly. So, for best longevity, charge her with like a .7 to 1 amp charger.
Locklear308 said:
Fast Charging Lithium = Battery damage. It's basic chemistry. The cells take mechanical damage from expanding too quickly. So, for best longevity, charge her with like a .7 to 1 amp charger.
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wrong. the only thing that damages cells is charging beyond the voltage specifications. How fast you dump electrons in has no negative effects, its only when you put too many in that batteries get damaged.
Locklear308 said:
Fast Charging Lithium = Battery damage. It's basic chemistry. The cells take mechanical damage from expanding too quickly. So, for best longevity, charge her with like a .7 to 1 amp charger.
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Thank you. I had thought the same thing. No one had the time to give me any detailed information, so I researched. I can't post links, but the following articles are helpful and will show up first in a search for the title
'Will speed chargers kill your battery?'
'BU-401a: Fast and Ultra-fast Chargers'
A conventional phone charger can only supply the current and voltage that is safe for a battery at all charge levels. In other words, it is must use the least common denominator. Quick Charge makes this process much more active by monitoring max current, max voltage, and temperature so that it can supply more power when it is safe and less power when it is not. Quick Charge will always keep the current, voltage, and temperature within the battery's designed specifications.
In terms of battery memory effect, no, modern lithium based batteries do not have any sort of memory-like effect. This is mostly associated with older and cheaper NiCad type batteries. This is one of those things that people seem to have a really hard time moving past.
People worry far too much about babying their battery.
Assuming you are going to use the phone for ~2 years then a properly designed fast charger should have a negligible effect on battery life. After 2 years of continuous usage all bets are off whether you used a fast charger or not.
If you really want to worry about how to treat your battery then there are two things you should try not to do. Don't let the battery go all the way to 0% and let it sit like that for a year. Don't leave your phone on your dash in direct sunlight everyday. Outside of those two things there's not much you can do to change the lifetime of your battery so just use the damn thing. =P
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A conventional phone charger can only supply the current and voltage that is safe for a battery at all charge levels. In other words, it is must use the least common denominator. Quick Charge makes this process much more active by monitoring max current, max voltage, and temperature so that it can supply more power when it is safe and less power when it is not. Quick Charge will always keep the current, voltage, and temperature within the battery's designed specifications.
In terms of battery memory effect, no, modern lithium based batteries do not have any sort of memory-like effect. This is mostly associated with older and cheaper NiCad type batteries. This is one of those things that people seem to have a really hard time moving past.
People worry far too much about babying their battery.
Assuming you are going to use the phone for ~2 years then a properly designed fast charger should have a negligible effect on battery life. After 2 years of continuous usage all bets are off whether you used a fast charger or not.
If you really want to worry about how to treat your battery then there are two things you should try not to do. Don't let the battery go all the way to 0% and let it sit like that for a year. Don't leave your phone on your dash in direct sunlight everyday. Outside of those two things there's not much you can do to change the lifetime of your battery so just use the damn thing. =P
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Exactly.
dalingrin said:
A conventional phone charger can only supply the current and voltage that is safe for a battery at all charge levels. In other words, it is must use the least common denominator. Quick Charge makes this process much more active by monitoring max current, max voltage, and temperature so that it can supply more power when it is safe and less power when it is not. Quick Charge will always keep the current, voltage, and temperature within the battery's designed specifications.
In terms of battery memory effect, no, modern lithium based batteries do not have any sort of memory-like effect. This is mostly associated with older and cheaper NiCad type batteries. This is one of those things that people seem to have a really hard time moving past.
People worry far too much about babying their battery.
Assuming you are going to use the phone for ~2 years then a properly designed fast charger should have a negligible effect on battery life. After 2 years of continuous usage all bets are off whether you used a fast charger or not.
If you really want to worry about how to treat your battery then there are two things you should try not to do. Don't let the battery go all the way to 0% and let it sit like that for a year. Don't leave your phone on your dash in direct sunlight everyday. Outside of those two things there's not much you can do to change the lifetime of your battery so just use the damn thing. =P
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I had researched the topic and learned what you have stated, but I really appreciate you taking the time to write this fuller explanation. I wished to take every reasonable precaution to maximize battery life, given the battery is not easily replaced.
There have been references published claiming that charging faster (higher current) shortens overall Li-Ion battery life.
Mechanism may be related to heat.
One thing the Qualcomm Quick Charge 2.0 (used in the Snapdragon 808) does is increase voltage at the charger from standard USB 5V, to 9V and 12V, for higher charge rates (power) at still-moderate current (to keep heat dissipation down).
I measured 1.1 to 2.3 amps at ~9V with QC 2.0 charger on the MXPE, with the higher current measurements at lower State of Charge (SoC). Have not seen 12V yet, but I only tried it down to 45% SoC (2.3 amps at 9V), I imagine it bumps up to 12V when the battery is discharged further, nearer to complete discharge.
This charger is rated for
5V, 4A
9V, 2.22A
12V, 2.5A
20V, 1.0A
So the max power fed to the battery would be 28W (12V*2.5A).
(This is the Power Partners PEAW30-12-USB, supposedly a 30W charger. So much for integrity in advertising.)
So the current is kept to a manageable level to control heat dissipation (therefore max temperatures), from the charger to (somewhere in the phone). But I believe that at the battery itself, more rapid charging (higher power) would still require higher current, because voltages have to be limited in the battery itself, so one would think heat dissipation (> max temperatures) would still be a problem in the battery itself. Does that shorten battery life?
The answer is probably: Who cares. Because: Li-Ion batteries have a 2-3 year life in any case, regardless of their service life or even if they are not used at all. They age and exhibit substantial capacity decline over time. Discharge/charge cycles hasten the capacity decline, but the battery is only good for 2-3 years, give or take, no matter what. And since aftermarket replacement batteries are inferior, unsafe, and stale, there is no reason to try to hang on to your phone for more than 2-3 years in any case. (Especially since the "non-user-replaceable" batteries can be a pain in the a** to R&R. The Moto X Pure 2015 battery is one of those. Some phones actually incur permanent damage to seals if the battery is removed/replaced - the Kyocera Hydro Wave is this way.)
You say "but you could replace the battery with an OEM battery". There are two types of OEM Li-Ion phone batteries on the market that an individual consumer can buy retail, when their phone is 2 years old or more: Used stale batteries (look up "reverse logistics"), and "new" (i.e. not put into service yet) stale batteries. Good luck finding a fresh, new OEM Li-Ion battery for your 2 year old or older phone (out of production for at least a year).
Been down this road before. Wasted lots of time and money replacing phone batteries after 2-3 years. From now on I'm going to stop coddling phone batteries, stop replacing them after 2-3 years, and just figure on a new phone every 2-3 years. It's the only way to get a fresh, new Li-Ion phone battery. (And get the phone right when it is released, like the MXPE this month. That way you are more sure the battery is fresh.)
I think everything in the wireless phone paradigm is increasingly heading that way anyway. Everything, and I mean everything, pushes the market to a 2 year product life cycle. Batteries last 2 years. Increasingly, batteries are not made to be replaceable. Carriers are changing networks so fast you need a new phone every 2 for that alone. New OS/SW overloads hardware older than 2 years. Displays may fade over a couple years. USB connectors wear out. Just relax and go with it. Marvel at the Qualcomm Quick Charge 2.0 (I am). You'll be happier with a new phone every 2 years.
Sorry for the long rant.
Sorry for the kind of off topic, but it's kind of related... is it okay to use other devices with the included fast charger? I just hate having 2 micro usb chargers plugged in, when I could use just one
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Sorry for the kind of off topic, but it's kind of related... is it okay to use other devices with the included fast charger? I just hate having 2 micro usb chargers plugged in, when I could use just one
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Yes, the Moto Turbo Charger can be used with any MicroUSB charging device. It will adjust charging as needed for the individual device. Moto made the Turbo Charger, to be a single charger for all MicroUSB devices.
If the battery is kept well charged, which Turbo Charging helps to accomplish. That's better to me, than more drain and slower chargers that leave the battery more drained overall. The batteries are supposed to last longer when kept fully charged more often.
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Sorry for the kind of off topic, but it's kind of related... is it okay to use other devices with the included fast charger? I just hate having 2 micro usb chargers plugged in, when I could use just one
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"...since Quick Charge 2.0 is compatible and interoperable, a certified adapter can be used with a non-Quick Charge 2.0 device, though the fast charging benefits of Quick Charge 2.0 will not be available. "
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/quick-charge/faq
By all appearances, Motorola's "TurboPower™ Charging" is nothing more than Qualcomm Quick Charge 2.0. (That's what Snapdragon 808 in the XT1575 uses.)
The third-party Qualcomm Quick Charge 2.0 chargers I bought are recognized as "Turbo" and function with the XT1575, just like the Motorola charger that came with the XT1575.
(There are a LOT of Qualcomm-certified QC 2.0 chargers for sale by third-party names. Qualcomm has been BUSY. )
To slow charge a S7, do we have to turn off fast charging from the settings and then charge via the charger that came with the phone(the so called fast charger) or should we use a charger from an old phone say SIII etc.?
Does this hold true for Motorola's phone also which have turbo charging option?
Also how to measure battery cycles? Any credible app for the same?
billubakra said:
To slow charge a S7, do we have to turn off fast charging from the settings and then charge via the charger that came with the phone(the so called fast charger) or should we use a charger from an old phone say SIII etc.?
Does this hold true for Motorola's phone also which have turbo charging option?
Also how to measure battery cycles? Any credible app for the same?
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Moto doesn't have the option in settings, it uses industry standard Qualcomm Quick Charge standard rather than a OS hack like Samsung (no offense)... If it is connected to a QC 2.0 charger, it will negotiate the appropriate charge rate, if it is connected to a "standard" charger it will charge normally.
I don't think you can accurately measure battery/charge cycles... even if you could it would be extremely deceiving, what would be considered a cycle? Charging at 50%, 30%, 10%, and to what point 75%, 80%, 100%? Too much room for interpretation here that could be swayed either way depending on the person/app counting it's point of view.
acejavelin said:
Moto doesn't have the option in settings, it uses industry standard Qualcomm Quick Charge standard rather than a OS hack like Samsung (no offense)... If it is connected to a QC 2.0 charger, it will negotiate the appropriate charge rate, if it is connected to a "standard" charger it will charge normally.
I don't think you can accurately measure battery/charge cycles... even if you could it would be extremely deceiving, what would be considered a cycle? Charging at 50%, 30%, 10%, and to what point 75%, 80%, 100%? Too much room for interpretation here that could be swayed either way depending on the person/app counting it's point of view.
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Thanks for replying dear. So, for S7 I have turned off fast charge, should I now charge via the charger that came with the phone(the so called fast charger) or should we use a charger from an old phone say SIII etc.?
For Moto G, the question is the same as above.
Of the little what I have understood from various threads here is to charge the battery when it is between 20-40% to 80-90% if you want to have a good battery life. I used to do the complete opposite charge, when the battery is at say 6-7% and charge it till it is maxed. I used to do the same for my laptop, any other tip for the battery?
And I have signed your petition Brother. I hope they listen to the users.
billubakra said:
Thanks for replying dear. So, for S7 I have turned off fast charge, should I now charge via the charger that came with the phone(the so called fast charger) or should we use a charger from an old phone say SIII etc.?
For Moto G, the question is the same as above.
Of the little what I have understood from various threads here is to charge the battery when it is between 20-40% to 80-90% if you want to have a good battery life. I used to do the complete opposite charge, when the battery is at say 6-7% and charge it till it is maxed. I used to do the same for my laptop, any other tip for the battery?
And I have signed your petition Brother. I hope they listen to the users.
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Does Fast Charge hurt the battery life, no, at least not directly... heat does. Using an older style charger will avoid Quick Charging but I think that foregoing that benefit for a few more days of battery life is hardly worth it. I frequently have 30-60 minutes to charge, not 3-5 hours, so quick charge is nice, if it takes few days off the longevity of the battery so be it. Those who think it cuts the battery life by 20, 30, even 50% are wrong, that simply isn't the case because of Fast Charge itself.
The Moto G isn't an issue here, it doesn't support Quick Charge until the 4th generation, but why give up the feature?
I don't think the "rules" of charging apply as much as people think they do... I charge mine overnight and whenever it needs it during the day, if it does. There is no need to do anything special.
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Does Fast Charge hurt the battery life, no, at least not directly... heat does. Using an older style charger will avoid Quick Charging but I think that foregoing that benefit for a few more days of battery life is hardly worth it. I frequently have 30-60 minutes to charge, not 3-5 hours, so quick charge is nice, if it takes few days off the longevity of the battery so be it. Those who think it cuts the battery life by 20, 30, even 50% are wrong, that simply isn't the case because of Fast Charge itself.
The Moto G isn't an issue here, it doesn't support Quick Charge until the 4th generation, but why give up the feature?
I don't think the "rules" of charging apply as much as people think they do... I charge mine overnight and whenever it needs it during the day, if it does. There is no need to do anything special.
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Thanks for the wonderful and detailed reply. I am going to try, not stick, to slow charging to see the difference in heating of the battery. My SIII's charger 's input is 150-300VAC, 50-60 hz 0.15AA, output- 5.0V-1.0A and S7's details are input 100-240V 50-60hz 0.5A, output- 9.0V= 1.67 A or 5.0V=2.0A. Can I use the S3's charger to charge S7 after turning of fast charge or is there a voltage difference or something? G4 is at home, don't know about its details. Also in my country the battery or the replacement parts are way too expensive.
Hi,
I was video calling someone for a group project, and I was using a regular (not turbo) charger to charge my phone while i was at it. when I started, my phone was at 5%. Then it went to 0% and died, even though the charger was still plugged in. Is there any way to stop it from losing charge while its plugged in like this?
Use a faster charger. 5V 1A is fine to charge it when not in use but if you use it intensively like you did (screen on and high network usage) it is not enough. I would use at minimum a 5V 2A or the turbo charger.
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Use a faster charger. 5V 1A is fine to charge it when not in use but if you use it intensively like you did (screen on and high network usage) it is not enough. I would use at minimum a 5V 2A or the turbo charger.
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You are mostly right, but the phone will not draw in excess of about 1200mA from any non-turbo charger, a larger charger is not important and will give no gain, but it doesn't hurt anything either.
The Moto X has a very large current draw off the battery when using the display actively, and at high brightness it gets almost ridiculously high, and add in intensive networking, high CPU usage (encode/decode video streams in real-time), and the power draw can easily exceed 1A or even more, so I am not surprised the battery drained while connected.
I am not an advocate of Turbo charging either, Qualcomm Quick Charge 2.0 can be hard on batteries, not in itself but the heat build up while using the device and turbo charging at the same time can easily exceed acceptable thresholds, but sometimes it is necessary with this device.
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You are mostly right, but the phone will not draw in excess of about 1200mA from any non-turbo charger, a larger charger is not important and will give no gain, but it doesn't hurt anything either.
The Moto X has a very large current draw off the battery when using the display actively, and at high brightness it gets almost ridiculously high, and add in intensive networking, high CPU usage (encode/decode video streams in real-time), and the power draw can easily exceed 1A or even more, so I am not surprised the battery drained while connected.
I am not an advocate of Turbo charging either, Qualcomm Quick Charge 2.0 can be hard on batteries, not in itself but the heat build up while using the device and turbo charging at the same time can easily exceed acceptable thresholds, but sometimes it is necessary with this device.
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I remember reading that quick charge is deactivated when the screen is on (reverting back to 5V) to avoid overheating so I don't see using the turbocharger when using the phone as worst than any other charger or any better for that matter.
But yes, he shouldn't have started his chat with a MXPE at 5% battery left .
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I remember reading that quick charge is deactivated when the screen is on (reverting back to 5V) to avoid overheating so I don't see using the turbocharger when using the phone as worst than any other charger or any better for that matter.
But yes, he shouldn't have started his chat with a MXPE at 5% battery left .
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Hmm... I hadn't heard that but it makes perfect sense. Personally, I am usually looking for a charger if my phone falls under 40% unless it's within a few hours of bed time.