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Video of Spring Loaded Style G2 Hinge ....

I was in Wal-Mart today and decided to check out the G2 on display .
I started playing with the hinge and it felt like it was definitely spring
loaded or tension loaded in some way . It felt great while playing with
it and the hinge design had a very positive "snap" opening and closing
into place . Even when shook upside down the screen absolutely would
not come down . It actually took quite a bit of effort to open and close.
So I asked the rep behind the counter to see a brand new G2 to see if
it had the same design , but to no avail it did not . The brand new G2
right out of the box felt like my G2 that I own . The display model weight
was right on to the actual phone weight . It had a real camera eye and LED
flash , trackpad was like a real G2 , etc . so the weight of the screen was
almost on par with a real device . There definitely was not enough weight
differences between the decoy and real device to make this drastic differences
between the hinges . Thoughts ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DTZ6ecBItE

That's not even a real phone! You're a real bright one.

If you werent a ****ing retard maybe you would read THE WEIGHT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PHONES WERE THE SAME !!!!!

Stores never use real phones as dummy units. If the phone was live that would be a different story.

It doesnt matter if the phone was live or not . The hinge doesnt know if its
a decoy or not . The weight of the screen and phone itself was extremely
comparable . If they weigh that close to each other then why does it act that
way ? There was a major difference between the two to just write off .

From the video the G2 looks incredibly plasticy and light weight. It just looks off to me.

It was the exact replica with working parts . I was kinda thrown off to be honest . Its
the only decoy phone Ive ever seen that wasnt "fake" . All the buttons pressed down
and wasnt plasticy by any means .

I absolutely would not pass that off. Dummies are simply the advertised phone with the internals and screen removed and compensated for. I played with the dummy G2 at Radioshack, and it felt just like the one I had returned (for various reasons) just before; the hinge was fairly loose and the weight felt proper.
Here's hoping that it's a sign of the future. Maybe late production units were changed? If not, I can always dream...

EfemaN said:
I absolutely would not pass that off. Dummies are simply the advertised phone with the internals and screen removed and compensated for. I played with the dummy G2 at Radioshack, and it felt just like the one I had returned (for various reasons) just before; the hinge was fairly loose and the weight felt proper.
Here's hoping that it's a sign of the future. Maybe late production units were changed? If not, I can always dream...
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Its a possibility, but the G2 in the video just looks off to me for some reason. If they did fix the hinge how could I get a new one? I'm outside of my buyers remorse period.
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Arcadia310 said:
Its a possibility, but the G2 in the video just looks off to me for some reason. If they did fix the hinge how could I get a new one? I'm outside of my buyers remorse period.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using XDA App
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You can't, bright one.

AZ2ENVY said:
I was in Wal-Mart today and decided to check out the G2 on display .
I started playing with the hinge and it felt like it was definitely spring
loaded or tension loaded in some way . It felt great while playing with
it and the hinge design had a very positive "snap" opening and closing
into place . Even when shook upside down the screen absolutely would
not come down . It actually took quite a bit of effort to open and close.
So I asked the rep behind the counter to see a brand new G2 to see if
it had the same design , but to no avail it did not . The brand new G2
right out of the box felt like my G2 that I own . The display model weight
was right on to the actual phone weight . It had a real camera eye and LED
flash , trackpad was like a real G2 , etc . so the weight of the screen was
almost on par with a real device . There definitely was not enough weight
differences between the decoy and real device to make this drastic differences
between the hinges . Thoughts ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DTZ6ecBItE
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Seriously dude r you that ****ing dumb that no one here will find out that it is a dummy phone
someone should ban him from here and send him to cell phone for dummies class

vikramdhani said:
Seriously dude r you that ****ing dumb that no one here will find out that it is a dummy phone
someone should ban him from here and send him to cell phone for dummies class
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He never once said its a real phone you dumb ****. Learn to ****ing read.

Wow! Y'all need to calm down... enough cursing, please! Some display models are working ones while others are dummies. If you have the lose hinge problem... send it back. Simple..

Arcadia310 said:
Its a possibility, but the G2 in the video just looks off to me for some reason. If they did fix the hinge how could I get a new one? I'm outside of my buyers remorse period.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using XDA App
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Its time to call Asurion, LMAO

Eh... I'd rather just deal with it then ante up another $120

if the heavy screen were removed and replaced with cheap plastic then there is no way the screen section of the phone could be as heavy as the screen part of a real G2. The screen section of the real G2 is quite heavy

The REAL phone I messed with a local TMO store worked exactly like the video.
The hinge is in fact spring loaded and those that have gimped hinges with screens that fall are defects.

Call Tmobile and tell them the issue your having with your phone. They will send you another phone.
Arcadia310 said:
Its a possibility, but the G2 in the video just looks off to me for some reason. If they did fix the hinge how could I get a new one? I'm outside of my buyers remorse period.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using XDA App
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It doesn't matter if they weigh the same, demo units don't use real buttons and do not have mother boards or screens on them, they are to display how it would look, not run or feel. Sorry but you can't back up your theory...
Sent from my T-Mobile G2

Smokexz said:
It doesn't matter if they weigh the same, demo units don't use real buttons and do not have mother boards or screens on them, they are to display how it would look, not run or feel. Sorry but you can't back up your theory...
Sent from my T-Mobile G2
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Really ? Then explain to me why the demo in the video did in fact have REAL
buttons smart guy ?!?!

Why can't HTC be as nice as Dell?

http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/05/alienware-m11x-hinge-issues-yeah-dell-knows/
Dell acknowledges their hinges, now why can't HTC?

Nothing is wrong with mine
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using XDA App

From reading that article it sounds like the laptop hinges were falling apart. Of course that's a problem that needs to be acknowledged.
The G2's hinges are not stiff enough for what some people want to do with their phone, but they are stiff enough to meet the design goals of HTC. That's not a manufacturing defect, that's a difference of opinion over the usefulness of the design tradeoffs.
Gosh darn it, my phone isn't nearly stiff enough to smash open a concrete wall. What the heck were they thinking? Yes, I know that is an extreme example, but somewhere between "stand upright with the phone facing upwards, flip open the keyboard and type" and "smash it into the cinder blocks until they are a pile of dust" lies the set of activities that HTC intended the phone to be used for.
Not everyone texts in bed on their backs, or wants to use a hip holster with the phone (and have the phone in the holster with the volume keys facing up so that the screen flips downward as one walks). Even on the rare occasion that I do hold the phone above my head, I don't find the floppiness of the screen to be that much of a stumbling block - I just use the sides of my index fingers to grip the display, or I use the onscreen keyboard when I need to type something...

Shut up. There is not a thing wrong with the hinges. I'm so sick of whiny people filling this forum with crap about the hinges.
IT'S BY DESIGN, GET OVER IT!
Note to mods: I apologize for my rant. I'm just getting really sick of "oh my hinges!!"

unforgiven512 said:
Shut up. There is not a thing wrong with the hinges. I'm so sick of whiny people filling this forum with crap about the hinges.
IT'S BY DESIGN, GET OVER IT!
Note to mods: I apologize for my rant. I'm just getting really sick of "oh my hinges!!"
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I agree...
like my ex said like lump it or leave it alone.....whatever that meant but I left her alone !

unforgiven512 said:
Shut up. There is not a thing wrong with the hinges. I'm so sick of whiny people filling this forum with crap about the hinges.
IT'S BY DESIGN, GET OVER IT!
Note to mods: I apologize for my rant. I'm just getting really sick of "oh my hinges!!"
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I feel the same as you hinges are as designed, people just fine something to cry about
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Yeah im going to have to say that my hinge is fine. Im not going to hold the the screen or back part alone and shake it till it drops open. NO ONE DOES THAT. Using it on a daily basis, never once was i irritated with the hinge on my G2. NOTHING IS WRONG WITH THE HINGE!

The only problem I saw with the hinges was when the snap on cover was on it..I didn't feel like it closed properly...maybe it's just me...seems fine though otherwise

unforgiven512 said:
Shut up. There is not a thing wrong with the hinges. I'm so sick of whiny people filling this forum with crap about the hinges.
IT'S BY DESIGN, GET OVER IT!
Note to mods: I apologize for my rant. I'm just getting really sick of "oh my hinges!!"
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I must agree with that. Nothing's wrong with my hinges. If you hold it upside down by the bottom, guess what? The screen falls down! Oh noes! That might be happening BECAUSE IT'S A HINGE. HINGES ARE SUPPOSED TO MOVE.

ibemad1 said:
I must agree with that. Nothing's wrong with my hinges. If you hold it upside down by the bottom, guess what? The screen falls down! Oh noes! That might be happening BECAUSE IT'S A HINGE. HINGES ARE SUPPOSED TO MOVE.
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well why didn't HTC create an anti-gravity device with this so i can precariously hang my phone upside down by two fingers and not have to worry about the screen moving?

Atrix Build Quality

Hi All,
With the Atrix due to hit the UK soonish, I have a question about the build quality.
Now we all know Motorola make solid phones. Top quality build quality.
However...
Numerous reviews highlight the fact that for such a 'high end' phone, the all-body-plasticy-feeling just doesn't cut it. Other reviews suggest it is 'hardened plastic' and that it's not really an issue.
So what do you guys think? Has anyone dropped their Atrix? How did it survive?
Are cracks on the plastic body common?
For comparison, I currently use a HTC Legend, which is a 'one piece' body cut from a single block of aluminium, it's solid as a rock and awesome. I'm wondering how the Atrix would compare...

definitely not comparable to the phone you're using. while i dont mind the plastic back, it is a bit flimsy. however, motorola has released "rugged" battery covers which replace the stock battery cover and also cover the sides of the phone like a case as well, and it is harder thicker plastic with a rubberized outside. i'll be picking one of these up soon hopefully and when i do, i'll post something here.

The Battery cover is pathetic, an the mechanism to open too.
Sorry for my pathetic english.

vin791 said:
definitely not comparable to the phone you're using. while i dont mind the plastic back, it is a bit flimsy. however, motorola has released "rugged" battery covers which replace the stock battery cover and also cover the sides of the phone like a case as well, and it is harder thicker plastic with a rubberized outside. i'll be picking one of these up soon hopefully and when i do, i'll post something here.
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A link to these would be good in the meantime?
When you do pick one up, please do post back
Santiago - bummer not what I was hoping to hear...

The build quality is good IMO. It's definitely not rugged though. The main thing about the battery cover is that it's slippery. I almost lost grip several times just removing the Atrix from my pocket (yes hands are clean). An Incipio case fixes that problem .

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=rugged+atrix&x=0&y=0
and this place has the green one (as well as the blue and pink)
http://www.redtagcellular.com/produ...ard-Rubberized-Battery-Door-Cover,-Green.html
they end up costing about the same after shipping.
the stock battery cover really isn't that bad, definitely not a deal breaker

I have no problem with the plastic feel at all, but the lock button drives me nuts!
First of all it's too recessed, and second plenty of times when I press the unlock button phone still doesn't register.
I finally got tired and installed "No lock" just so I can unlock my phone by using the volume rockers.
IMO this is the worse lock button/switch I've ever seen on a phone which is a shame because I love the rest of it.
I'm also guessing that I'm the only one that has a problem with the lock switch since I haven't seen anyone else here really talk about it...

To me the phone is inbetween solid as a rock and satisfactory. Its heavier than most phones Ive used which makes it feel solid. But when you remove the battery cover it makes the phone feel cheap but that is done to get the phone as slim as possible.
The gorilla glass seems to be a lot stronger than what was used on the iphone 4 and doesnt scratch easily. Ive dropped my phone multiple times in its Commuter case and never had an issue. But never have I tested that without a case. IMO every smartphone should be wrapped in a case.

JayRolla said:
To me the phone is inbetween solid as a rock and satisfactory. Its heavier than most phones Ive used which makes it feel solid. But when you remove the battery cover it makes the phone feel cheap but that is done to get the phone as slim as possible.
The gorilla glass seems to be a lot stronger than what was used on the iphone 4 and doesnt scratch easily. Ive dropped my phone multiple times in its Commuter case and never had an issue. But never have I tested that without a case. IMO every smartphone should be wrapped in a case.
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+1, a case is a must.
would rather not have a broken phone just due to dropping it. think of shelling the $30 or so for a good case as a one-payment insurance policy.

ccrows said:
I have no problem with the plastic feel at all, but the lock button drives me nuts!
First of all it's too recessed, and second plenty of times when I press the unlock button phone still doesn't register.
I finally got tired and installed "No lock" just so I can unlock my phone by using the volume rockers.
IMO this is the worse lock button/switch I've ever seen on a phone which is a shame because I love the rest of it.
I'm also guessing that I'm the only one that has a problem with the lock switch since I haven't seen anyone else here really talk about it...
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For some reason I really like the lock button. It took me a while to get used to but for some reason now it just feels really comfortable although I thought id never get used to it
Sent from my Motorola Atrix using Tapatalk

Build quality is fine IMO. If u are one to use a case...the build shouldn't really matter. I use a tpu case, my Stride is solid
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Build quality is solid and good for a plastic device. The plastic is hard and doesn't creak, though the back is somewhat flimsy. You have to lower your expectations if you're coming from an all metal device though. This obviously can't compare physically to something that's made from machined aluminium or something.

i didnt like using it until i retrained my print by swiping up instead of down, like the tutorial shows.

HTC will always have topnotch build quality....Atrix is very solid for a plastic backing. Its more solid than the Cappy
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I use a cheap $4 TPU case from eBay and that makes the phone 10X better, IMO. The phone gets bulkier (of course), but it's def worth it.
As an added bonus, it makes swiping my fingerprint easier.
EDIT: Exactly what I use: http://cgi.ebay.com/TPU-Gel-SOFT-CA...815105?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item19c4325441
$2.75 for making my phone feel awesome. BTW, no, I don't sell that case. Search ebay for "Atrix TPU" and find one you like.

Santiago said:
The Battery cover is pathetic, an the mechanism to open too.
Sorry for my pathetic english.
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I actually really like the design of the battery cover. It's extremely quick to remove if needed, and the same for putting it back on. Does allow for dust to get in more easily, but also a snap to clean out if needed.
Feels just like my iPhone 3GS did for form factor, but I would say the iPhone was a wee bit more slippery due to the high gloss case finish.
Overall design and build quality are fine imo.

Many thanks for the comments thus far
rjayflo said:
HTC will always have topnotch build quality....Atrix is very solid for a plastic backing. Its more solid than the Cappy
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Thing is, in the Android world, HTC has gained a decent reputation for build quality. But overall, (including pre-Android days) Motorola really were (are?) kings of the build quality game. Hence why comments around build quality are somewhat surprising.
It seems like most of you have cases then? I absolutely hate having a case for any phone I own, it takes away from the design lines of the phone, no to mention the weight, size, aesthetics, etc.
Maybe the question should be: do you feel the build quality is at such a poor level that you feel you *need* a case - because so many of you seem to have one!!

c_man said:
Maybe the question should be: do you feel the build quality is at such a poor level that you feel you *need* a case - because so many of you seem to have one!!
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I typically do not like using a case. I think the build quality on the phone is great as others have mentioned previously. It certainly does not "need" a case in imho.
Go for it.

ccrows said:
I have no problem with the plastic feel at all, but the lock button drives me nuts!
First of all it's too recessed, and second plenty of times when I press the unlock button phone still doesn't register.
I finally got tired and installed "No lock" just so I can unlock my phone by using the volume rockers.
IMO this is the worse lock button/switch I've ever seen on a phone which is a shame because I love the rest of it.
I'm also guessing that I'm the only one that has a problem with the lock switch since I haven't seen anyone else here really talk about it...
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nah your not the only one. this was one of the main reasons why i sold the phone. hitting the home button required too much effort because it was so recessed.

I am coming from a Nexus One and was a little skeptical of the build quality of the Atrix. I went ahead and got the Atrix on release date, have never put a case on it, and really do like the build of it. The back cover wraps around all the corners of the phone and covers the whole back, so if you where to scratch it up you can just replace it and it will be good as new.
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Anyone else not been able to use this phone because of its ergonomics

I had a GS II but had to get rid of it because it caused me so much hand pain. I should declare that I do have existing problems with my hands but the Arc doesn't really cause me any problems. I think it was a combination of its width and the squareness of the design that did for me. I have tried out the Sensation and though that is only a bit narrower it seemed much easier on my hands, I reckon because it's a more rounded design.
I thought it was a good device but I am not going to keep using a phone that caused me that much constant pain.

First one i have come across though as it is larger i did recommend a young lady to hold it before buying .http://media.xda-developers.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif
jje

Super Chimp said:
I thought it was a good device but I am not going to keep using a phone that caused me that much constant pain.
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It is a good device, just not for you. If you knew you had problems with your hand you should have spent more time with the phone before you bought it. It's like buying a car you never sat in and complaining about the driving position.

how exactly did it cause pain??? how can holding a phone hurt? there are things that are just beyond my comprehension.

Nope, i have a mans hand.

For me the phone is too slim and slippery, but silicone cover did the trick and it steadily fits my hand no problem.
I don't have too big hands but no problems with using it.

BarryH_GEG said:
It is a good device, just not for you. If you knew you had problems with your hand you should have spent more time with the phone before you bought it. It's like buying a car you never sat in and complaining about the driving position.
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I did try before buying, obviously not for long enough it seems. This is only the second phone ever that I have had this much problem with the first was the N73.
Sent from my LT15i using Tapatalk

Pretty big hand, not noticed much difference from the SGS.
Total utter 100% lefty, FWIW.

No issues here, but got large hands...

awesome-member said:
how exactly did it cause pain??? how can holding a phone hurt? there are things that are just beyond my comprehension.
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Maybe he has some injury or nerve damage so due to the width of the phone his hands hurt because of the shape they make holding the device?
I have no problems with the phone.

pulser_g2 said:
No issues here, but got large hands...
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So have I. Which makes me think it's more the design than the size. The Arc isn't that much smaller but is narrower and a much better thought out ergonomic design IMO.
By the way I should have said I have a form of nerve issue with both hands.

Well it's quite big, so it's hard to use one handed. I have really girlish hands though.
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MaBlo said:
Well it's quite big, so it's hard to use one handed. I have really girlish hands though.
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I have small hands. I had my plastic surgeon make an incision in my thenar space so I can open up the palm wide enough and hold the phone with one hand. I am now talking to that surgeon about transplanting one of my ears higher on my head.

rocketpaul said:
Nope, i have a mans hand.
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LOL, I was wondering when someone would say something along those lines! But, I think the OP has a preexisting condition. I have no issues with the phone.

cmd512 said:
LOL, I was wondering when someone would say something along those lines! But, I think the OP has a preexisting condition. I have no issues with the phone.
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lol yh it had to be done.

kreoXDA said:
I have small hands. I had my plastic surgeon make an incision in my thenar space so I can open up the palm wide enough and hold the phone with one hand. I am now talking to that surgeon about transplanting one of my ears higher on my head.
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Hehe I'm not saying that there's something wrong with the phone, but I can't reach the top left side of the screen one handed and barely reach the middle left side. That being said I wouldn't change that beautiful big screen for anything, so I can live with.
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It's a fraction too wide for me, but I can live with it just. I've suffered from a bit of RSI in the past so I can imagine how it might hurt if you have similar issues (carpal tunnel etc).
The SE Arc next to this feels much nicer in the hand as it's about 5-8mm narrower - yet still sports a 4.2" display. Maybe that would suit better.

BarryH_GEG said:
It is a good device, just not for you. If you knew you had problems with your hand you should have spent more time with the phone before you bought it. It's like buying a car you never sat in and complaining about the driving position.
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what if you bought it online like what i'm planning to do?
awesome-member said:
how exactly did it cause pain??? how can holding a phone hurt? there are things that are just beyond my comprehension.
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i remember using my buddy's iphone 2g back in the day and that was an uncomfortable phone. it didn't hurt but it did feel real annoying after a bit because the phone wasn't shaped perfectly. same idea

lol at this thread. I have no issues with holding my phone and neither does my fiance. But I can gripe a basketball without struggling.
I thought of that burgerking commercial when I read this thread title.
this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu_bE7g2wqM

Super Chimp said:
I had a GS II but had to get rid of it because it caused me so much hand pain. I should declare that I do have existing problems with my hands but the Arc doesn't really cause me any problems. I think it was a combination of its width and the squareness of the design that did for me. I have tried out the Sensation and though that is only a bit narrower it seemed much easier on my hands, I reckon because it's a more rounded design.
I thought it was a good device but I am not going to keep using a phone that caused me that much constant pain.
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give me the phone

Build Quality Questions..

Hi everyone, I very recently purchased my brand new Desire Z. So far, I am really impressed with the software and general likability of the phone.
Although, having read too much about the Z hinge, it really makes me paranoid sometimes while handling the phone.
A few obervations and questions, which if someone with a few months of experience could respond to would put me at ease,
1. The Z hinge is surely loose, but doesn't worry me in general use. Although, I am scared it will get further loose with time, is that so?
2. The cable / ribbon running along with the hinge is not protected, is the wear and tear comparitively higher because of having no protection? Should I be budgeting in changing the ribbon every couple months?
3. Because of the hinge being loose and possiblity of the keyboard opening on a fall seems almost definite. Doesn't that put much more at stake on a fall comparitively? Fortuunately, mine hasn't fallen yet, but what's the experience you all have had with your devices falling on hard surfaces? Other than the scratches, that's not a problem. I am worried, the device will break in pieces if it falls!
4. For a little more peace of mind, are the hinges metal or plastic? I have read both on reviews and I can't seem to find a definitive answer to this one.
Thank you for taking out the time to read and respond with your experiences.
Sent from my HTC Vision

I've had mine since January and I've dropped it plenty of times. I have never had any problems with the keyboard, hinge, or ribbon cable.

After dropping my phone a few times my phone speaker went down... Had to replace them
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So it does seem like it is a sturdy device, or at least as sturdy as the other devices.
Any idea about the hinges, if its plastic or metal?
Thanks!
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Fairly certain they're metal. I've dropped my caseless G2 several times but it's only dinged with no other damage.
Sent from my G2

don't know about the hinges if they are plastic or metal...
but i got it 5 months ago... dropped it plenty of times... and nothing happened... not even a scratch
these kind of phones are sturdy... unlike samsung phones (believe me, i had one)... it breaks into pieces...
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don't worry about the hinge

d_gkal said:
don't worry about the hinge
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+1, I dont get it, lot of discussion on this, but never I never had any problem with the hinge...

I know, lots of discussions on the hinge, but I guess its the placebo based on the early hands on the device. Although, I am getting much much more comfortable and relaxed about it.
In a nutshell, its a great device. Thanks everyone for endorsing it for me!
Sent from my HTC Vision

The G2/Desire-Z is one of the most rugged phones ever made, the only knock is that some people find that the hinge spring action gets loose (mine never has) - but if yours ever does, and you are comfortable taking your phone apart, you can replace the stock hinge spring in about 30 minutes, start to finish. - The part costs about $5 - Then it will be tight as hell like when new! (possibly tighter than new)
There is a great thread on this here on XDA complete with an HD video showing you an exact POV of the procedure being done in it's entirety!

The phone is quite sturdy overall. I had a stone thrown at my screen and no change whatsover.
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First half fall and its scratchless
Why I call it a half fall is, it didn't fall but it it lost my hand and hung from the charger and hit the side of the bed pretty harshly. The keyboard did open up though but luckily all's good - gave me a little more confidence on the device build.
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Dropped mine a few times - the battery cover always seems to fall off when that happens. Few dents and scratches but nothing serious.
As for my opinion about build quality, personally I think it's pretty crap, due to the design of the hinge. I changed my first DZ for another, since the first one had a ridiculously loose hinge. The second one developed the same problem in 24hrs. It's not that that bothered me so much, but the fact the two halves were not held snug together by the spring, so touching or pressing on the touchscreen caused the top half of the phone to tap annoyingly on the bottom half.
Eventually I bodged this by sticking layers of electrical tape between the two halves. It's not visible in normal use, but I'm pretty annoyed that I had to do this to my (then brand new) phone. Good job nothing better with a keyboard has come out yet, cos if I tried to sell this thing then I'd get literally nothing for it.
The lacquer on my battery door started falling off after a couple of weeks. My physical camera button only works intermittently, but I won't send it away for repair because I don't know what software it will come back with - it's over a year since I rooted this thing, and I don't feel like researching the latest methods, or finding out that HTC have closed all current ways to root.
This phone does not have good build quality, in my opinion.

setspeed said:
Dropped mine a few times - the battery cover always seems to fall off when that happens. Few dents and scratches but nothing serious.
As for my opinion about build quality, personally I think it's pretty crap, due to the design of the hinge. I changed my first DZ for another, since the first one had a ridiculously loose hinge. The second one developed the same problem in 24hrs. It's not that that bothered me so much, but the fact the two halves were not held snug together by the spring, so touching or pressing on the touchscreen caused the top half of the phone to tap annoyingly on the bottom half.
Eventually I bodged this by sticking layers of electrical tape between the two halves. It's not visible in normal use, but I'm pretty annoyed that I had to do this to my (then brand new) phone. Good job nothing better with a keyboard has come out yet, cos if I tried to sell this thing then I'd get literally nothing for it.
The lacquer on my battery door started falling off after a couple of weeks. My physical camera button only works intermittently, but I won't send it away for repair because I don't know what software it will come back with - it's over a year since I rooted this thing, and I don't feel like researching the latest methods, or finding out that HTC have closed all current ways to root.
This phone does not have good build quality, in my opinion.
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A better hinge would have surely made the phone much more sturdy. That's what has always scared me so far, but now that the phone is 2 months old now I have started to get more comfortable around it.
Milestone 3 or MyTouch Slide could be good contenders, I think.
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Don't get me wrong, there is no other phone I'd rather have at this moment in time - but that's due to a lack of qwerty phones on the market, as opposed to the DZ/G2 being some sort of amazing quality :-/
The Droid 4 looks proper nice though, hopefully it'll get released worldwide. And Motorola won't lock it down like they have with every other phone they've released since the OG Droid... but the chances of that are basically zero.

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Don't get me wrong, there is no other phone I'd rather have at this moment in time - but that's due to a lack of qwerty phones on the market, as opposed to the DZ/G2 being some sort of amazing quality :-/
The Droid 4 looks proper nice though, hopefully it'll get released worldwide. And Motorola won't lock it down like they have with every other phone they've released since the OG Droid... but the chances of that are basically zero.
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I totally hear you there.
So, all the current Motorola droids are locked and can't be upgraded to cm or other custom roms? Really!!
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I have been VERY careless of my phone, dropped it probably close to 100 times some of them being quite bad, and the most I can see is a couple corners have SMALL little dents, often the keyboard does open when dropped but nothing happens after that... I'd be more worried if dropped WHILE open but chances are if the keyboard is open you're typing (and therefore have two hands on it) My spring is still as sturdy as when I first got it as far as I can tell.

setspeed said:
Dropped mine a few times - the battery cover always seems to fall off when that happens. Few dents and scratches but nothing serious.
As for my opinion about build quality, personally I think it's pretty crap, due to the design of the hinge. I changed my first DZ for another, since the first one had a ridiculously loose hinge. The second one developed the same problem in 24hrs. It's not that that bothered me so much, but the fact the two halves were not held snug together by the spring, so touching or pressing on the touchscreen caused the top half of the phone to tap annoyingly on the bottom half.
Eventually I bodged this by sticking layers of electrical tape between the two halves. It's not visible in normal use, but I'm pretty annoyed that I had to do this to my (then brand new) phone. Good job nothing better with a keyboard has come out yet, cos if I tried to sell this thing then I'd get literally nothing for it.
The lacquer on my battery door started falling off after a couple of weeks. My physical camera button only works intermittently, but I won't send it away for repair because I don't know what software it will come back with - it's over a year since I rooted this thing, and I don't feel like researching the latest methods, or finding out that HTC have closed all current ways to root.
This phone does not have good build quality, in my opinion.
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Lol and that's why I got the slide, I hate the hinge with a passion. I luckily got the slide and gave the G2 to my mom. The slide has an awesome build quality dispite the not so appealing look the quality is great.
I have dropped the G2 a couple of times but it had the rubber case on so nothing happen to it. Haven't dropped my slide so I can't compare
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I had this since summer 2011. I did get a case (stays attached to the phone) for this phone and found the hinge very weak, it will slide out if I held it in at an angle. Then recently I removed the case and there was no problems with the hinge since, able to hold it at many angles without worrying it slip out.
Having put my phone with keys.etc all in one pocket I found there are scratches on the back of the case. I have dropped my phone a few times but no problems.
Ribbon is good, the hinges I believe is metal (perhaps, alloy or some sort).
I wouldn't worry about the hinge too much unless you plan to keep using the same phone for more than 3 years. HTC does also have a global 2 year guarantee (from day of purchase).
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