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root and ROM install Qs

I've done a lot of reading from a lot of scattered posts and some were contradicting so I just wanted to clarify. I'm about to root my Hero and install a new ROM and I have two quick questions before I do so:
1) After I root the phone, and make a backup, do I need to do anything else before I install the ROM? I.e., do I need to wipe my phone before the ROM install? I will be installing Fresh 1.1 if that makes a difference. If I need to wipe everything how do I do this?
2) I bough the app "MyBackup Pro" from the app store and have backed up everything on my phone. After I install the new ROM (Fresh 1.1), will I be able to use this app to restore my phone settings (i.e., data, apps, home settings, contacts, sms, etc...)?
Thanks for your help!

as far as wiping your phone, no with fresh 1.1 over stock you will not have to.
I have never used that app I just make sure to do a nandroid any time I change anything significant.

cool, thank you.
i'm assuming that I'll be ok in terms of restoring my apps, data, etc... with this app but I just want to be certain. so if anyone knows I would greatly appreciate it. i can't imagine i would run into problems but i just want to be sure.

I would make a nandroid backup, too, just to be safe. It'll only take you a couple of minutes.

i'll definitely do that. thanks.
one last question: i have a "with google" phone and I'm trying to root it via the fresh pre-kitchen app. my firmware version is 1.5. when i go in to root the phone and i select "i have a 'with google' phone" it prompts me saying that it will flash RA 1.2.3 instead of 1.5.2. Is this ok? or should i un-check the "i have a 'with google' phone" option with the firmware that i have?

I have a branded phone as well and I have not had any problems rooting without checking that box. You can try it.

i'll give it a try. thank you for your quick responses/help!

I manually rooted my Sprint Hero and had to use RA 1.2.3 and then updated it to 1.5.2 later.
I think that's the only issue. It won't hurt you to install RA 1.2.3 as you can always update it manually (easily) later on.

Quick Question - Why should i do a Nandroid Backup

i have been trying to find this out - why i need to do one????

You don't have to ... up to you .
It is for peace of mind .
It things don't workout or you don't like what you did ...
You can put the phone back to what it was !
If you wish to fly with no parachute ...
Then jump ...
Please let us know how the landing goes

Does the nandroid only back up the software and settings -
If i just download the rom from HTC then that will put it back to the latest official rom wont it..
i was under the impression that a Original hero was only 1 rom away?

You don't need a nandroid backup at all. I use it all the time though.
You just asked a question that Dan330 had already answered in his previous post... yes it backs up basically everything. There are a few things that it doesn't back up but they aren't too significant (They are left out to prevent further problems).
If you downloaded a rom from HTC well, Duh. Of course it will put it back to the official rom. If it's rootable, then you can just restore a nandroid backup if you wanna go back to what you had before. Hopefully the HTC rom doesn't prevent you from rooting otherwise you won't be able to.
What the heck do you mean Original Hero was 1 rom away? Huh?

HTC Rom image will restore the rom.
A 'normal' data backup will store the data, ie drag from the SD card.
You can reinstall any marketplace apps from the marketplace.
The Google cloud will store calendar, contacts, mail, etc.
For the average user, nandroid is not necessary. But I understand the usefulness to a rom cooking enthusiast and the speed of a single backup. All the averages do not need to worry about nandroid though.

thank you cbailey
and sorry KAwAtA i was rushing to work - and talking crap at the same time...
I never even thought that HTC would try and stop you from rooting the phone....
just always thought that having a unbranded HTC ment i can install any rom at any time, and still install the latest HTC Rom if i wanted.
Very New to Rooting. so i need a few weeks to catch up.

Nandroid takes like a "photo" of your phone at the exact time you did it and will rstore everything exactly like it was at that time, e.g. rom, data, apps EVERYTHING.
you should always do one before flashing or removing anything on your phone that you should not "officially" be doing as that way if something goes wrong you can easily get back to your working rom.

Lennyuk said:
Nandroid takes like a "photo" of your phone at the exact time you did it and will rstore everything exactly like it was at that time, e.g. rom, data, apps EVERYTHING.
you should always do one before flashing or removing anything on your phone that you should not "officially" be doing as that way if something goes wrong you can easily get back to your working rom.
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Nandroid backup keeps installed apps aswel?... I was under the assumption that I needed to use Titanium or Mybackup Pro for that.
So just to clear up, if i dont mind losing contacts, sms and calender, but want to back up current ROM with apps and games, Nandroid is the one?...

ddotpatel said:
Nandroid backup keeps installed apps aswel?... I was under the assumption that I needed to use Titanium or Mybackup Pro for that.
So just to clear up, if i dont mind losing contacts, sms and calender, but want to back up current ROM with apps and games, Nandroid is the one?...
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Nandroid takes a complete image of your phone as it is, will restore it all exactly as it was at the time you backed it up.
if your looking to change roms then you need to use another app to backup your data and apps.

Aha,... Nice one Lenny!!

nandroid backup
having problems.. Im using the old ra for some reason it doesnt let me perform an nandroid back up... I tried teh newer ra same problm...any suggestions???

After Flashing ROM Then What?

If this is in the wrong section I apologize.
I have rooted using Revolutionary and after flashing Superuser I installed ROM Manager and Titanium Backup (along with some other programs that work only in root). I wish to flash a new ROM and get away from stock. I am thinking CyanogenMod 7 ROM or gingerbread-evo-deck ROM (it has 4G).
I want to keep things simple so I will be using ROM Manager. I will make a backup with ROM Manager and will backup my apps using Titanium.
I will be flashing from within ROM Manager as it automatically does the "factory reset" and other things that I would otherwise need to do manually.
Once ROM is installed am I correct in that I need to re-download Titanium and then make a restore which should give me ROM Manager back?
Is there anything I am missing?
Thanks for any contribution you can give.
DocEsq

Ok, let me help you out here.
1, don't use ROM Manager. It has been shown to cause problems.
The first thing you want to do is get Amon Ra for your recovery. You'll find the thread in the Development section.
There's a link in my signature that gives a great walk through on flashing ROMS. I made it for MIUI, but you can use it for any ROM.
TB is great. just make sure you only backup and restore YOUR apps, not the system apps, HTC apps, System apps. They should be the ones that are in white.
Hope this gets you started.

Don't forget to make a Nandroid backup! It's the ultimate safety net.

HipKat said:
Ok, let me help you out here.
1, don't use ROM Manager. It has been shown to cause problems.
The first thing you want to do is get Amon Ra for your recovery. You'll find the thread in the Development section.
There's a link in my signature that gives a great walk through on flashing ROMS. I made it for MIUI, but you can use it for any ROM.
TB is great. just make sure you only backup and restore YOUR apps, not the system apps, HTC apps, System apps. They should be the ones that are in white.
Hope this gets you started.
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+1
ROM manager = Problems
Amon Ra = EVO Love lol.
Plus its kinda cool going into recovery and flashing on ur own. It's much easier than it sounds.
Just remember NANDROID is your friend! Lol. And NEVER pull ur battery while updating ur radio and Wimax.
Sent from my Super Sexy Classic EVO

Northbeach said:
Don't forget to make a Nandroid backup! It's the ultimate safety net.
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lol.. my link has 3 times you make nandroids in it

[Q] A few random questions about cwm, backup etc

I have successfully rooted my device using the version 2.0.0 of the toolkit. I think I'm going to donate a few euros to get the latest, the author deserves all the money.
A few questions:
What exactly is CWM? What's the difference between a backup made with titanium backup and a backup made with CWM? Is it enough to backup the system settings or do I need to backup even the apps? I mean the list of installed and purchased apps should be always available on the Google play account, at least I hope so...
Should I download the latest version of CWM (the . IMG file) and flash it with the toolkit or should I use the integrated version that seems to be IN the toolkit?
Thanks in advance for the answers.

A CWM backup will backup everything. If you restore it, your device will be exactly the same as it was when the backup was made.
Titanium backup only backs up apps and their data

But with titanium backup do I need to backup all the or only their data?
Is CWM useful even to install other Roms?
Sorry for the confusion: I'm not an expert.

Clock work mod will backup your entire android build as it is. all data, apps, settings, contacts, messages. etc
Titanium will backup apps and their data only
If you bork your software or try another rom then decide you want to go back, a Cwm backup will take you right back to the exact point you made the backup
Titanium is useful to have when changing roms because after loading a new one you can load your previous apps & data into your new rom whereas Cwm would completely overwrite the rom
In essence they are similar but perform completely different tasks
Sent from my Nexus 7
With titanium I usually just backup all user apps with data (meaning anything you have downloaded that is not part of the rom)
You cannot flash a new rom with titanium. that is what Cwm is for
Cwm deals with the roms
Titanium deals with apps

CWM & Backup
nihil39 said:
I have successfully rooted my device using the version 2.0.0 of the toolkit. I think I'm going to donate a few euros to get the latest, the author deserves all the money.
A few questions:
What exactly is CWM? What's the difference between a backup made with titanium backup and a backup made with CWM? Is it enough to backup the system settings or do I need to backup even the apps? I mean the list of installed and purchased apps should be always available on the Google play account, at least I hope so...
Should I download the latest version of CWM (the . IMG file) and flash it with the toolkit or should I use the integrated version that seems to be IN the toolkit?
Thanks in advance for the answers.
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CWM is a recovery mod used for Flashing new rom while at the same time gives you handy things to do like, do a NANDROID- Creating a image for ur current rom and all its sys settings with apps and there data. U can also Flash other things like a previously created Update.zip for Titanium Backup, which is helpful after u have flashed a new rom and want all ur previous apps and data back.
A small thing a consider sharing, When Flashing a new ROM, Back up only the apps+data thing and not the System. As ur new ROM will have its own System settings (better to adjust it then than bfore). Now, also Create an update.zip, which a mentioned earlier from TitBckp Menu.
Have Fun.

bagofcrap24 said:
Clock work mod will backup your entire android build as it is. all data, apps, settings, contacts, messages. etc
Titanium will backup apps and their data only
If you bork your software or try another rom then decide you want to go back, a Cwm backup will take you right back to the exact point you made the backup
Titanium is useful to have when changing roms because after loading a new one you can load your previous apps & data into your new rom whereas Cwm would completely overwrite the rom
In essence they are similar but perform completely different tasks
Sent from my Nexus 7
With titanium I usually just backup all user apps with data (meaning anything you have downloaded that is not part of the rom)
You cannot flash a new rom with titanium. that is what Cwm is for
Cwm deals with the roms
Titanium deals with apps
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Thanks.
I still don't get the point of backing up apps. I mean: their settings (and system settings) ok but why backup something that can be downloaded again from google play store? I guess my account keeps record of my installed and (above all) purchased apps (tapatalk only). Am I wrong?
Other question:
I'm using the stock Jelly Bean 4.1.1 rooted and I don't want to mess with cooked roms whatsoever. I rooted the device in order to get USB on the go support and TiBackup.
Will I get updates from google or I will have to manually flash a rooted version of an updated Rom? I think I will have to install CWM at the end, I guess

etgine sandy
nihil39 said:
Thanks.
I still don't get the point of backing up apps. I mean: their settings (and system settings) ok but why backup something that can be downloaded again from google play store? I guess my account keeps record of my installed and (above all) purchased apps (tapatalk only). Am I wrong?
Other question:
I'm using the stock Jelly Bean 4.1.1 rooted and I don't want to mess with cooked roms whatsoever. I rooted the device in order to get USB on the go support and TiBackup.
Will I get updates from google or I will have to manually flash a rooted version of an updated Rom? I think I will have to install CWM at the end, I guess
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Please answer at least the last question...

nihil39 said:
Please answer at least the last question...
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Edit: If google release an update, you dont have to relock it

Jordanooo said:
If google release an update, i think you will have to relock your bootloader to get it officially.
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You do not have to lock your bootloader to get an update only reason to lock it is if you have to return it
Sent from my BAKED Nexus

spaceman860 said:
You do not have to lock your bootloader to get an update only reason to lock it is if you have to return it
Sent from my BAKED Nexus
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So, in my condition (rooted stock rom) will I get the official google updates without doing anything?

You will still get the updates but Cwm will not be able to install them.
You would need the stock recovery to apply ota updates
In reference to your previous question regarding titanium. You could re download the apps from play store after a wipe.
Titanium also restores any preferences you had saved. And in the case of games it will also restore your progress & game saves
Sent from my Nexus 7

Thanks, so there's no point in backing up the whole app, we only need its data and settings.
I haven't installed cwm yet. Did you use the toolkit downloadable from another thread in this forum? If yes, does the toolkit automatically download the latest version of cwm?

I'm not sure with the tooolkits
I have never rated them
It's much wiser to learn to do these things manually as it really doesn't take very much learning and it's always valuable to know what to do in case you bork something
Sent from my Nexus 7

Does cwm also backup sripts like link2sd and 2nd fat32 partition?

Multi-user support on N7 with ROMs

I have a 32GB N7 that I share with my girlfriend. I quickly learned that if I flash a new ROM, that whole other user's info is gone.
After trying to restore apps and info using both Titanium and ROM Toolbox, I couldn't get it to function like it was before.
I tried to restore to a backup I made prior to doing this and it won't get past the boot screen. I can safely assume that whole other user account is gone. The question is, how can I bring that from one ROM to another? Or how can I restore back to a previous ROM that had it setup?

engagedtosmile said:
I have a 32GB N7 that I share with my girlfriend. I quickly learned that if I flash a new ROM, that whole other user's info is gone.
After trying to restore apps and info using both Titanium and ROM Toolbox, I couldn't get it to function like it was before.
I tried to restore to a backup I made prior to doing this and it won't get past the boot screen. I can safely assume that whole other user account is gone. The question is, how can I bring that from one ROM to another? Or how can I restore back to a previous ROM that had it setup?
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I could be wrong about this as I am very new to serious mucking around in Android but...
Were ROMs you were using previously based on 4.1.x or older? I know that it is only a very recent version of Android that has proper multi-user support (4.2.2 has it for instance.. I'm not sure about 4.2.1 etc..) and thus now places a "0" folder in which the main user's data is saved, and then there will be "10', "11" etc.. for subsequent users. I'm not sure if your data is gone or not depending on your exact situation, but there are issues that can come from trying to get recovery/data from "pre-MultiUser" and "post-MultiUser" ROMs. Sometimes you may be able to manually move or stipulate where you want to recover from etc... others, it may be gone. There was a post about this from TeamWin and their TeamWinRecoveryProject that explains a bit more of it... http://teamw.in/DataMedia
Not sure if this is helpful, but it is worthwhile to look into regarding multi-user Android.

I am having same problem as OP. I share the N7 with my wife and when I flashed ROM I wasnt able to restore any of her data through Titanium, but it would let me restore everything that was on my main user account. Had to switch back to stock rom nandroid, and her data was still gone and mine was all intact. Now she won't let me put a custom rom on If anyone has any suggestions/fixes I'd really appreciate it. Thanks!

ProbyWaN said:
I am having same problem as OP. I share the N7 with my wife and when I flashed ROM I wasnt able to restore any of her data through Titanium, but it would let me restore everything that was on my main user account. Had to switch back to stock rom nandroid, and her data was still gone and mine was all intact. Now she won't let me put a custom rom on If anyone has any suggestions/fixes I'd really appreciate it. Thanks!
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Probably had to have titanium on both accounts, then created the account after ROM flash and titanium restore on both accounts sperately
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda app-developers app