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Hey all, if you've ever been on the CDMA Hero thread you probably know me, and know that I'm a major theme developer and community support member. I'm most likely going to upgrade in about a week to the Epic, and was wondering how far along rom/theme development is for the Epic, what the best roms are now, etc. Thanks everyone, and I look forward to working with you on Epic development and support!
And feel free to see some of my work on theming in my sig
Please vote in the poll if you can! Thank you And if you vote for the Evo option, can you please tell me why? Thanks
The more devs the better! Look forward to using your work.
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mikel719 said:
The more devs the better! Look forward to using your work.
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Thanks man, I looks forward to making it How do you like the Epic? Any major bugs I should be aware of?
There seems to be a lot of drama and desire to program for the fame instead of the scene. Semi-frustrating to see from the perspective of an enthusiast. But I am hesitant to criticize because I am only beginning to dive into android dev.
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Most dev work (not that the current leaked Froyo ROMs are not in abundance but nontheless) in my opinion seems to be at a slight impasse except for work on the leaked Froyo but I think other devs are just waiting till it is officially released..
tyl3rdurden said:
Most dev work (not that the current leaked Froyo ROMs are not in abundance but nontheless) in my opinion seems to be at a slight impasse except for work on the leaked Froyo but I think other devs are just waiting till it is officially released..
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Ok, thanks for that I may start building ROMs myself if I have the time
Vanquish46 said:
There seems to be a lot of drama and desire to program for the fame instead of the scene. Semi-frustrating to see from the perspective of an enthusiast. But I am hesitant to criticize because I am only beginning to dive into android dev.
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Yeah, I've heard about some of the Epic drama
I can't justify a few loud kids screaming in the playground as drama. It only takes a very few active trolls to derail a thread and once it starts, people tend to stay away. I blame it mostly on the frustration of having to wait on Samsung.
I find that theres a lot of good devs and people like anywhere else. A lot of the bugs (major one being gps which I have not encountered) have been fixed by the leaked Froyo and with its release coming soon (knock on wood) its understandable that the community is going a little slow.
Good devs and helpful members are always greeted with open arms here and I really hope you'll be enjoying your new Epic soon.
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I can't justify a few loud kids screaming in the playground as drama. It only takes a very few active trolls to derail a thread and once it starts, people tend to stay away. I blame it mostly on the frustration of having to wait on Samsung.
I find that theres a lot of good devs and people like anywhere else. A lot of the bugs (major one being gps which I have not encountered) have been fixed by the leaked Froyo and with its release coming soon (knock on wood) its understandable that the community is going a little slow.
Good devs and helpful members are always greeted with open arms here and I really hope you'll be enjoying your new Epic soon.
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Great, thank you for that I've heard about a back button flaw, any validity?
There used to be a Back button flaw in early hardware revisions but it was addressed shortly after launch I believe.
Welcome... I look forward to seeing your stuff!
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There used to be a Back button flaw in early hardware revisions but it was addressed shortly after launch I believe.
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Cool, sounds good then
romanmb said:
Welcome... I look forward to seeing your stuff!
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Thanks man, I looks forward to developing it and messing with the Epic
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Thanks man, I looks forward to making it How do you like the Epic? Any major bugs I should be aware of?
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There's minor bugs here and there.mostly from user error. I love my epic though and I am glad I didn't jump on the evo bandwagon. I wouldn't trade it for the world.
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mikel719 said:
There's minor bugs here and there.mostly from user error. I love my epic though and I am glass I didn't jump on the evo bandwagon. I wouldn't trade it for the world.
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Cool cool, I can't wait to get it!!!
Welcome!
We could certainly use more devs!
Really the one major flaw was already mentioned (GPS) and for the most part that had been addressed in 2.2, but I heard there was still a cache issue.
Mic doesn't work in 2.1 with non stock kernels when using the 3.5mm jack. Worked great in my tests with dk05 2.2 but that's stock kernel.
That's all that stands out to me atm.
I'm currently using the syndicate rom 1.0.2 with xtreme kernel 1.2.0 and have been extremely happy with them. I'll probably get bored and flash the latest froyo leak soon though.
As for the drama, I came from the WM 8525 forum and seem to remember people working much better together, but we had some good quality devs/users.
I'm sure as the Epic community continues to mature the drama will lessen. One can hope.
At any rate, I look forward to seeing your work
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drakkahn said:
Welcome!
We could certainly use more devs!
Really the one major flaw was already mentioned (GPS) and for the most part that had been addressed in 2.2, but I heard there was still a cache issue.
Mic doesn't work in 2.1 with non stock kernels when using the 3.5mm jack. Worked great in my tests with dk05 2.2 but that's stock kernel.
That's all that stands out to me atm.
I'm currently using the syndicate rom 1.0.2 with xtreme kernel 1.2.0 and have been extremely happy with them. I'll probably get bored and flash the latest froyo leak soon though.
As for the drama, I came from the WM 8525 forum and seem to remember people working much better together, but we had some good quality devs/users.
I'm sure as the Epic community continues to mature the drama will lessen. One can hope.
At any rate, I look forward to seeing your work
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Cool, sounds like a great phone to me I'm glad development seems to be picking up too with the 2.2 leak
You might know this already but Froyo from El Goog dropped so hopefully Development will start picking up again
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You might know this already but Froyo from El Goog dropped so hopefully Development will start picking up again
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I don't know that! Cool cool Thanks for that info; so there's official 2.2 on the Epic?
Bumping this because I'd like a few more votes please before I commit and buy one here for my upgrade
Just wanted to say that I friggen love you guys.
I went from not ever owning a smartphone and not even knowing what root or even cpu meant 3 days ago to running the OTB 1.1 lv 1200mhz kernel smoothly without any issues. I didn't know anything about computers either!
I spent a good 12 hours reading and researching posts and threads to get this far... now I'm gaming it on kingdoms live like a beast doing his job.
My new phone is thousands of times better than what it was running those doodoo stock stats... all thanks to you guys!
So you intelligent dev's and helpful studs out there keep doing what you do & know that every helpful thing you guys say or post definitely does not go unnoticed or unappreciated.
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I agree, it can never be said enough. THANK YOU.
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These two people deserve all the thanks for development. JT1134, and Adrynalyne, well there's that bird guy too. To you three cell phone hacker fixer upper guys, this buds for you.( the drink not pot)
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Hats off to you, MoShiBa for actually taking the time and reading up on things first. Welcome to the forum too. I often think of Adrynalyne and JT while cuddling with my teddy bear in bed.
good day.
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I often think of Adrynalyne and JT while cuddling with my teddy bear in bed.
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And I thought that I was the only one that did this.
Big Props & Much Mahalos (Thanks) to the devs. You guys are the ones that make the Fascinate so freakin' AWESOME!
JT & Adrynalyne = XDA Hero's! HipHip Hoo-rah!
These guys are great. I just wish I want so damn broke so I could send them some more cash for their much appreciated hard work! This thing screams after a bit of tinkering, much improved over stock.
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Yep! I was in the same boat and I've been learning a lot quite quickly.
I got some great help and advice from Chopper on the IRC channel.
You guys are great!
Chopper can be a bit.... brash sometimes. But don't let him fool you .. he's a sweetheart ; ) haha
Also , big thanks to Retrokid , Nitsuj17, and skillz360 for continuing to crank out super sexy themes to put on top of all the devs work . You are appreciated .
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Thanks to all the devs out there!
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I hear Masri has froyos...leaked froyos! *looks around* *high fives adrynalyne and disappears*
I want to know how fast this is going to be removed
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Why do you live?
Um, wrong forum.
good day.
I'm betting soon, but, its fun to let masri get the attention
I hear it's an epic rom and kernel combination
Thanks!!!!!!!
Its 100% verizon fascinate froyo build, it was leaked like 2 days ago.
Things don't usually take two days to hit forums.
Unless it looks like someone could get fired for the leak.
Fascinate users are HUNGRY to not be on eclair.
I'm new here and as such, a lot of people won't give a sh*t what I have to say, but I'm not PMing ANYBODY. This leak will make it to us sooner or later. Personally, I'm waiting for punkkaos (whom I've donated to) or jt to release either a non-traceable version, or a deodexed, rooted version, which I'm sure they will do when they are good and ready.
I'm guessing that will be by Monday, but either way I'm not going to bug someone or (potentially) cost someone at Samsung or VZW their job. We will have it when we have it. It's not like they're holding it back to be pricks.
So is this legit or what? Im bored lol
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I'm new here and as such, a lot of people won't give a sh*t what I have to say, but I'm not PMing ANYBODY. This leak will make it to us sooner or later. Personally, I'm waiting for punkkaos (whom I've donated to) or jt to release either a non-traceable version, or a deodexed, rooted version, which I'm sure they will do when they are good and ready.
I'm guessing that will be by Monday, but either way I'm not going to bug someone or (potentially) cost someone at Samsung or VZW their job. We will have it when we have it. It's not like they're holding it back to be pricks.
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Cyanogenmod (like kaosfroyo) is better software. Hopefully this new group build will help that rom move forward more anyway.
I'm tired of samsung's junk software. The developers around here will make good work of the froyo leak, if it's out.
This thread isn't really about development though...
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Kaos stopped work on the eris to get ya'll froyo. Be happy it'll rock. Me I'm refitting for gingerbread.
This thread is useless btw.
leehblanc said:
I'm new here and as such, a lot of people won't give a sh*t what I have to say, but I'm not PMing ANYBODY. This leak will make it to us sooner or later. Personally, I'm waiting for punkkaos (whom I've donated to) or jt to release either a non-traceable version, or a deodexed, rooted version, which I'm sure they will do when they are good and ready.
I'm guessing that will be by Monday, but either way I'm not going to bug someone or (potentially) cost someone at Samsung or VZW their job. We will have it when we have it. It's not like they're holding it back to be pricks.
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Swyped from my froyo eris running on Kaos.
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Yeah, that's my point. I think it got lost in there somewhere, but my point is that this thread is neither about development NOR is it useful. Unless the OP knows Masri, I think it's kind of a d*ck move to tell the forum to PM him. No offense, OP, that's just how I see it.
I know masri, he is a good man. If he says he truly has a leak and is serious then he does. He may just be protecting his job. But I've been hone since the irc server went to Droid life so what the **** do I know?
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pkopalek said:
Cyanogenmod (like kaosfroyo) is better software. Hopefully this new group build will help that rom move forward more anyway.
I'm tired of samsung's junk software. The developers around here will make good work of the froyo leak, if it's out.
This thread isn't really about development though...
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I am personally very happy that Kaos is working on anything for the fascinate, but i have grown to really like touchwiz, it is the best skin I've used, much better than sense. I've tried the vanilla froyo and cyan, but I'm holding out for touchwiz 2.2.
Also, mods need to shut this topic down.
This was all started because of the IRC channel, so if you guys don't find it pleasing, oh well...it was fun with masri...don't care if you guys are hurt about it
Shutted, keep leaks on IRC off XDA until all clear
This is my first post here, but I've been lurking pretty regularly for about a week now. I was actually shown these forums by some folks over in the Penny Arcade forums Android thread.
I just want to drop a quick line and say thanks to everyone over here; The developers, the people who answer questions, thanks to the mods who keep the place going. Thanks to you guys I was able to go from being a relative Android noob to having a completely rooted, custom ROM flashed, and extremely sexy Epic.
Sometimes people only post when they have an issue, or when something goes wrong, and I wanted to buck the trend a little and post just to say thank you. As the thread title says, thanks to XDA, I'm in love with my phone
(For those curious, the technical stuff:
Samsung Epic 4G
Nebula ROM 1.0.6 w/ EXT4 (Froyo/DK28)
ADW Launcher
Quadrant is scoring around a ~1450, which is 400 points more than any RFS setup I tried...go go EXT4).
Yeah xda is a great place and we should all be thankful for the developers on here. They sure as hell don't do this to make money. If it wasn't for them we wouldn't have these great features we have now. We would also be stuck on 2.1
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So happy as well!
I would also like to chime in and thank the XDA community as well. After months of debating whether or not I should update to DK28 Froyo, I decided to take the plunge yesterday. After you have all the software downloaded, phone hooked up to your computer, and Odin ready to flash for you... everything makes sense.
I can kinda see why Samsung/Sprint is taking too long to have the update come out. To update everything including all of your apps, settings, contacts, and saved messages all for Ma and Pa Epic 4G user without calling Sprint and complaining why something got deleted... I can see why. Re-configuring my contacts was a pain in my ass last night! My GPS didn't work, so I also had to do the GPS trick by entering in ##74 whatever and entering in my MSL, but it worked!
However, after all is said and done... THIS PHONE ROCKS!!! It's faster, the new music player is BADASS, everything WORKS, and I'm very happy. Thanks, XDA!
Ditto,
This has been a source of bountious information.
Couldn't have said it better myself <3
Epic is as Epic does
Same as OP. Thanks XDA for really putting in the time and effort to bring the community such awesome work. Like the OP I am running Nebula 1.0.6 with ETX4 and ADW Launcher.
hey guys long time lurker and first time poster, want to chime in that i also appreciate all the epic lovin from the devs, only bricked one phone so far but that was my own dumb fault.... skipped a step and flashed the wrong thing first earlie in the ext4 roll out...
Thanks again
Glad to see so many others have had the same experience as me
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Agree.
I've lurked on XDA for a long time, didn't end up joining until sometime last year just so I could download some wallpaper or something.
Well I had no issues with my Epic anyway, but gave in to temptation and loaded the DK28 leak 2-3 days after it surfaced... kind of liked it but it was a little buggy on mine. I eventually went full tilt and loaded Bonsai at 1.1.2, had a blast with it getting the best of 2.2 without a lot of the bugs of DK28.
A week or so ago I switched to TrulyEpic, and holy cow, I love my phone so much now. It may not have the impressive bench #s of Bonsai (close), but man is it ever stable. It's like a rock, that thing is the best thing to ever happen to my phone, and I am so glad XDA and it's members are here to provide stuff like this for us. Apart from official froyo, I'm good for the long run now and getting way more enjoyment out of my phone than I thought I could.
It's nice to hear some positive posts on the Epic 4G forums
Anyways, it's nice to see someone that's happy with the ROMs we are quite fortunate to have here. Leaks of any kind are a privilege, not a right, and I wish more people would be grateful.
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Omg @Rockstar thats funny, I was just about to type that **** down but you beat me to the punch. There has been so much negativity in this forum, that alot of times I think we forget how good we actually have it. Alot of us then revert to taking everyone on here for granted. Sure were not the biggest forum, we dont have the most Roms, but the devs we do have are dedicated and do a wonderful job. We should all be gracious whether they ask for donations or not, because regardless they are all making XDA a better place, and making smartphones in general fun for all of us for years past, and years to come!
+1 for this post.
Recently I flashed back to di18. I wasn't having any luck with the froyo rims. Gps didn't work, slow auto rotate, and lags and hangs hit me with no matter what rom I flashed. Now that the devs have rolled ext4 conversion and rooting into flashing clockwork I loaded midnight and my phone is amazing. No hangs,gps locks within seconds, the.fix for auto rotate... I can honestly say screw the official update. I for one don't need it anymore. Thank you xda
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1151/2690
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Now for this screen lift problem...
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When in Rome...
Thank you to the devs, I agree with the first posters, the community really got me into Android, it's good to see real motherfckers assembling code while Sprint and Samsung got shty thumbs.
And when ya'll get to Gingerbread, beer's on me.
Stock DK28 rooted
Update: development is not dead, JT has resurrected it...Cm7 is amazing!
Forgive me if upset a few people with this post, but is it me or has the dev scene for this device died?
I remember the old school days when I had a G1 on T-mobile, we had a new rom practically every other day! I would hate to not to give credit to the amazing devs we have for our devices like JT and company but as of late things seem have died .
I remember a few months back devs were saying, we cant do much because we dont have froyo source...now we do and the scene looks identical. I pruchased this device because of its "raw power" which back in November was unrivaled, but looking at the vibrant forums and the epic there's tons of roms to choose from, VZW gets no love.
Before you guys get upset and some of my remarks, please understand my POV. Lastly, I realize that devs dont get payed to do this and do it as hobby thus I have no reason to complain, so this is just an opinion....let me know if you guys feel the same or not......
There's still a ton of development work, just nothing totally new recently. Everybody seems to be working on what is already there, just fixing and updating and whatnot.
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What we are waiting on now is GB source.... LOL
In short you are pretty much right. Mostly everyone has moved on to bigger and better things. Now that all the spring goodies are coming out there are less people here to develop.
What we are waiting for really is someone to step up to the plate and take over. The devs that we did have provided a great foundation for someone else to work on.
That being said... the phone is still overpriced for what it is and Samsung has provided some practically unusable code to start with, from my understanding at least.
I can see the Vibrant forum being busy, as they have CM7 now, and likely other AOSP and AOSP based ROMs now, plus TW based ROMs. Not sure about the Epic, but I think they have a semi-functional AOSP base as well, and the Nexus S going the Sprint probably helped them out significantly. However, we're stuck basically with what Samsung gave us. The source did help out significantly for kernels, as it gave us something to work from that we didn't have before. However, the platform source did nothing. Also, there are only so many ways you can configure a ROM based on the stock software. If jt and kaos can get the last few pieces of CM7 fixed up, I'm sure you'd see development take off again, but until that happens, or until we get a new release or source, it will likely be semi-stagnant around here.
JT is working on cm7 I assure you. Latest build was today released in irc. Based on .35 kernel. Everything works but radio and sensors. So that's really good work if you ask me. He'll get it up to speed, jt is a very clever Guy.
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tonu42 said:
JT is working on cm7 I assure you. Latest build was today released in irc. Based on .35 kernel. Everything works but radio and sensors. So that's really good work if you ask me. He'll get it up to speed, jt is a very clever Guy.
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Wait!!!!! As in camera works????
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Wait!!!!! As in camera works????
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Yeah, if camera and MMS work, and he gets the sensors/radio working, the man is a God, a MACHINE. Well, I look forward to that.
Evil fascination came out with a new build today, he is also planning on a bunch of themes for it (2 released already, 5 more to come I think)
well this phone technically is out dated in terms of whats come out since. and we finally have workjng froyo roms which is what all the hype was about. even with home computers you cant keep updating, eventually things dont matching up. just like with these phones. im happy with my fascinate and everything thats been released.
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Evil Fascination had an update tonight. It runs fantastic and the theme is awesome. Im sure the community rom is going to have a nice update soon to.
The devs for this phone have been fantastic, they made this phone worth having even when it seemed like 2.2 would never see the light of day.
After the experience I have had with the fascinate my next phone will for sure be a nexus. Even if it means jumping ship to a different carrier.
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JT is working on cm7 I assure you. Latest build was today released in irc. Based on .35 kernel. Everything works but radio and sensors. So that's really good work if you ask me. He'll get it up to speed, jt is a very clever Guy.
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Anybody know what punkkaos was talking about when he tweeted:
Looks like Coolya and gang have done some nifty kernel stuff for Fascinate users.
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JT and I were talking earlier and it seems like Coolya and the gang helped with some kernel fixes that seemed to have helped a lot. So if all goes well, we SHOULD have official CM7 support coming soon.
If anyone is wondering EVERYTHING is working, including hw/sw codecs, Bluetooth, wifi, etc. As stated before RIL functions and sensors are no worky, but JT said that radio was his messup and should be a quick fix. ;P
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development is relative...we never had a ton of kernels/roms/mods etc because we have a relatively small community
we still have several source built kernels, 2 versions of cm7 (one of which sounds like its advancing nicely) and several touchwiz based roms
if you want to really step back and look at things, we have mods from sbrissen no other phone has (or at least had first as they kang him quickly)...
we have miuiwiz which is a feat never done before (getting miui launcher working on anything but miui)
so for those that just sit around and wait for stuff to be released so they can flash every 5 minutes...too bad...go get a more popular phone so you can flash the kanged rom after kanged rom every day
or you can actually learn to do stuff for yourself like many have
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development is relative...we never had a ton of kernels/roms/mods etc because we have a relatively small community
we still have several source built kernels, 2 versions of cm7 (one of which sounds like its advancing nicely) and several touchwiz based roms
if you want to really step back and look at things, we have mods from sbrissen no other phone has (or at least had first as they kang him quickly)...
we have miuiwiz which is a feat never done before (getting miui launcher working on anything but miui)
so for those that just sit around and wait for stuff to be released so they can flash every 5 minutes...too bad...go get a more popular phone so you can flash the kanged rom after kanged rom every day
or you can actually learn to do stuff for yourself like many have
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^^^^exactly.
If you sit back and enjoy your phone with the new roms when they do come out, waiting for updates and new stuff comes quicker than you realize. Hmmm, I wonder who told me to enjoy what I have a while ago.... and in all honesty, do you really think the fascinate is out dated? My phone STILL runs circles around my bro in laws tbolt. And if anyone questions our devs ability....have you herd of punk kaos? Or jt1134? Or adrynalyn? Or sbrissen? If you are tired of waiting, go back to stock....you will realize what they have done for our phones.
I never once doubted their ability. Like I said in the OP , we a are lucky to have what we got. My point was that things seem to have died down, not sure if its the phone or the lack of interest. Back in november this was androids flagship device, and, I purchased it thinking that with its hardware and our bright developers, it was going to be a beast. I'm proud of the work done but until a fully working aosp like cm7 comes out, I dontt think ill be fascinated. All the touchwiz roms are fine but slow down eventually. Just expressing my opinion fellas.
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I never once doubted their ability. Like I said in the OP , we a are lucky to have what we got. My point was that things seem to have died down, not sure if its the phone or the lack of interest. Back in november this was androids flagship device, and, I purchased it thinking that with its hardware and our bright developers, it was going to be a beast. I'm proud of the work done but until a fully working aosp like cm7 comes out, I dontt think ill be fascinated. All the touchwiz roms are fine but slow down eventually. Just expressing my opinion fellas.
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what do you mean "slow down eventually?" ive never noticed this
and was there ever a time when tons of roms/kernels were coming out aside from immediately after an ota/source code drop/leak?
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what do you mean "slow down eventually?" ive never noticed this
and was there ever a time when tons of roms/kernels were coming out aside from immediately after an ota/source code drop/leak?
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@Nitsuj17 this is a classic case of something that all people struggle with: a selfish nature. We, as people, are never really satisfied with anything. I doubt even a FULLY functional CM7/GingerMIUI would please people. It's just our nature. We are insatiable. This is not a flame or an attack of the OP, it's just simply an indictment of all people, myself included. Just my $0.02.
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JT and I were talking earlier and it seems like Coolya and the gang helped with some kernel fixes that seemed to have helped a lot. So if all goes well, we SHOULD have official CM7 support coming soon.
If anyone is wondering EVERYTHING is working, including hw/sw codecs, Bluetooth, wifi, etc. As stated before RIL functions and sensors are no worky, but JT said that radio was his messup and should be a quick fix. ;P
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So if he can get the radio working, we can get official CM7 support? JT is the man....
When we all probably switch phones we will still have a beast mp3 player if you ask me.
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just one last thought...as for what is/isnt being worked on and released
jt and pk are still working on cm7 and seem to be getting closer and closer to a very polished product
imnuts and nemesis still work on kernels
com rom and miuiwiz are still being worked...and will have lots of new features when they are out...these things take time though, we could have constant updates or less updates, but of more substance