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Noobnl's got froyo for our Epic?

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I didnt see the original thread regarding the leak that was closed. I seen the tweet from noob the other night. The leak according to noob is very unstable and only given to a select few. Im glad it went to his hands first, to protect the source and in hope of putting out something stable. If not at least the source is protected and we me get a RC out of him later. Noobnl is great asset for the epic community and I think the bashing should stop and let them see what they can do. Hopefully they can put out a good base for other devs to work off of.
To noobnl
After reading through the op that's was closed you didn't really say much. Can you enlighten us as to this leak can be used for a rom soon or is it too unstable and ur waiting on another build?

lol the pic really doesnt prove anything.. these devs have skills and they can easily just put froyo in there..

he has a beta

ya dude.. he's the coolest kid in cool town right now.

noob is working on CM6 wich is a asop built from source based on froyo. that image is real as he got cm6 to boot but it is not close to being stable. last i herd the ffc didnt work, no data or wifi. give it some time and the guys over at cynogan will have froyo for us

I know hes working on cm...but thats a samsung build.
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WhiteWidows said:
I know hes working on cm...but thats a samsung build.
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Yeah, it's a Sprint beta. It was leaked to him a couple days ago under the condition he wouldn't make it publicly available(to protect the source of the leak).

mattallica76 said:
Yeah, it's a Sprint beta. It was leaked to him a couple days ago under the condition he wouldn't make it publicly available(to protect the source of the leak).
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It was leaked to somebody else who gave it to him so he could do something about it.

The only reason he isnt leaking it to us is because every file in it is tagged with the name of the employee who gave it to him. so if he then leaks it, he is jeopardizing the job of that employee

Thread exists. Stop making new ones.
/trashthis

bsutton said:
The only reason he isnt leaking it to us is because every file in it is tagged with the name of the employee who gave it to him. so if he then leaks it, he is jeopardizing the job of that employee
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Wait, so just out of curiosity, was it the employee who leaked it to him? or did sprint authorize it? Because, if they were smart, they would have authorized it but made it seem like it was a rogue employee/mischievous early adopter.

decalex said:
Wait, so just out of curiosity, was it the employee who leaked it to him? or did sprint authorize it? Because, if they were smart, they would have authorized it but made it seem like it was a rogue employee/mischievous early adopter.
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I believe a friend of the employee leaked it.

perhaps if you looked in the original thread you would see...

decalex said:
Wait, so just out of curiosity, was it the employee who leaked it to him? or did sprint authorize it? Because, if they were smart, they would have authorized it but made it seem like it was a rogue employee/mischievous early adopter.
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Yes, because its in Sprints best interest to leak a buggy beta version of a rom out to the general public and then have to deal with the inevitable "I dont know what happened, my phone wont turn on. Can you replace it?" people.

I'm a bit of a conspiricy theorst, so ill enter tain every one with a tale.
I think this may be an intentional leak on behalf of sprint. Maybe they were having some problems and needed a little help from the community. HTC has been doing it for years.Does anyone else think a total newbie starts an account here and within 4 posts is showing pics of his epic with froyo claiming to have gotten it from a sprint employee is or isn't really weird? Our own inside sprint guy whosdaman had never even seen this.
When said lurker is asked he says he ismore than willing to share, jut needs help to give it to us because to update killed his root and cwm. Underrstandable.
Also a perfect ruse....
Here is what sprint didn't know, nay, couldn't know.
I think 1 of 2 things could have happened here.
A. They didn't count on noobnl being a jerk who just wants profit from donations(or maybe not profit at all. Just for ego) via his rom which would be the first 2.2 or to incorperate elements of this. Now don't get me wrong. Noobnl is the man fo epic, but really, aren't we all a little bit selfish? I would totally love to be the guy the leak trusted. This could be true because the op in the first leak thread never ever mentioned any radio crashing issues or anything else. He iks using it as a daily with little or no problems.
Also he was tottally willing to just give it up because whosdaman promised no personal info would be in a dump. Even if there was, it could be removed be
the first source (moob and who's). There is no way to tie 1 employees name or id number t every single line of code is there? I don't know. I don't claim to be an expert. As a matter of fact, I'm pretty ignorant.
Noobnl culd have gotten it and said anything he wants. Personally, I don't think I've even seen noobnl say anything about privacy, just that its crappy. Just minions and whatnot have been putting that out there.
Or B. It was a crappy dump (double entendre) and rfeally is buggy and stupid because there was an error or something or who knows and really it is stable, because it really bugs me that the original leaker is talking about NO radio crashing or buggieness.
Or I'm crazy and short on sleep on this daylight savings clock set back one hour night. That's proly it.
I hope you were entertained.
ONCE AGAIN: NO DISRESPECT TO NOOBNL! HE IS THE MAN WITHOUT A DOUBT. JUST YOU NEVER KNOW, YOU KNOW?
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austin420 said:
I think this may be an intentional leak on behalf of sprint. Maybe they were having some problems and needed a little help from the community. HTC has been doing it for years.
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That's all I was sayin.

If it was, it'll pop up in more places. A random thread late at nite with a mysterious update.zip!
Or men in black and yellow will approch one of us with a strange metallic flash drive!
Hey, I don't really care.
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muyoso said:
Yes, because its in Sprints best interest to leak a buggy beta version of a rom out to the general public and then have to deal with the inevitable "I dont know what happened, my phone wont turn on. Can you replace it?" people.
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Sprint and samsung know what we know. O. D. I. N.
Any one of us can use the same tool that they used to get this off the phone will put. Our phone rigth back to stock.
Saying its too buggy or will fry our phone is apoor excuse to me.
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no its not, then we would have hundreds of threads in teh dev forum asking how to use odin and why things arent working etc etc. how the leak got out is much more important then everyone have a crappy version of it 2 weeks in advance.

Well, that little bit of action would at least be more exiting that this board hs been lately. A lot of evo owners coming over to brag how much development they have bec,ause open source means opensource over there and a dev would never hold out a leak from the community. Idk I'm just talking you know. I guess starting a little convo.
A lot of people are acting like noobnl is protecting some super secret inside source.
The kid came on at 5 in the morning and said first person to help me dump this gets it. It was just who was in irc at the moment.
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Why very little devs?

Im not complaining just wondering
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I imagine their al very tall.
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What makes you think there is a small #? I'm very pleased with the development teams we have. They have all done a lot of great work.

After 10 million sold I was wondering that also.
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intruda119 said:
After 10 million sold I was wondering that also.
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Out of ten million units how many are running stock? I bet you the majority.
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The endless cries for help from noobs and/or people lacking common sense drove them away?

Lack of 2.2 source.

lqaddict said:
Out of ten million units how many are running stock? I bet you the majority.
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stop being a jerk.
s15274n said:
I imagine their al very tall.
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What makes you think there is a small #? I'm very pleased with the development teams we have. They have all done a lot of great work.
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Well, i'm currently good for this as well, but look at it, the only devs that people know for vibrants are: Eugene, Master, TW thats pretty much it i think?
TW is probably a bunch of people, master, he seems to be working alone currently, and Eugene is probably working with barak or something.

quadratic said:
Lack of 2.2 source.
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^ this
blame samsung

Yea since 2.1 is over with we just need 2.2 not the leaks
I love development as well im on axura I just noticed
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quadratic said:
Lack of 2.2 source.
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i dont understand because theres no 2.2 theres not even devs working for the vibrant?
Explain, and if your trying to make thsi thread into a I HATE SAMSUNG one, please gtfo.

xriderx66 said:
i dont understand because theres no 2.2 theres not even devs working for the vibrant?
Explain, and if your trying to make thsi thread into a I HATE SAMSUNG one, please gtfo.
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I wanna take that bet and when official froyo comes out there will be more I don't care anymore.
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And btw where is Eugene? He hasnt teleased anything in a while...
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If I'm not mistaken that 10 million number is the whole Galaxy S line. 3 of the phones in that line have had very little, if any, in the way of leaked software thereby putting the need for anything new at a stand still. The majority of the 10 million sold have been I9000 which has seen plenty of development. As for the Vibrant I count 4 active Dev teams that are major players here, Eugene, Team Whiskey, Master, Heathen. Then you have a couple others releasing random items. To my recollection there has been a new rom or update to existing roms every single week. I'm not sure what else you would want maybe a new rom to flash daily? One of those devs has stop posting here but those that like his work have given us all the updated info. All of the Devs with the exception of Heathen have slowed down a bit for various reason known only to them but I'd speculate 3 possible reasons. 1. Holidays man people want to relax a little. 2. Nothing new to work with in a few weeks and the last 3 or 4 leaks have just been tweaks to 2.2. And finally C. with 2.3 on the horizon I'm sure some of the devs are busy finding a way to bring us all a stable/working version.
Hope this clears everything up for you.

Alanrocks15 said:
I wanna take that bet and when official froyo comes out there will be more I don't care anymore.
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What "bet"?
Official froyo doesn't make people want to develop this phone.
When official froyo comes out, everyone will want gingerbread, when we get that official well want the next, and so on...

xriderx66 said:
What "bet"?
Official froyo doesn't make people want to develop this phone.
When official froyo comes out, everyone will want gingerbread, when we get that official well want the next, and so on...
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Not exactly true. I mean I understand the sentiment. But it only goes up to a point. I thoroughly expect either an official 2.3 release sometime this year, or at least a stable 2.3 port from the Nexus considering it's pretty much the same exact phone. But after that, I'm not expecting much considering the handset with be EOL by then.
I was a former G1 owner, and I think it was great that we were able to get an official build of 1.6, and even though CM worked pretty well on it (at least the Eclair versions), you can't really expect that it would run Froyo well.
Bottom line, I think if every handset was updated within the first 1.5 years of it's life, people would be satisfied and there would be a lot less frustration about lack of support with Android in general.

What taking Samsung too long to upgrade to Froyo?

Less bug in their Driver (Bluetooth, Audio, SOC, WiFi), Modem/Radio, TouchWiz 3, and Android Sources in Froyo will give Samsung a faster way to upgrade.
In the future, after Samsung releases Froyo, expect shorter time to upgrade the Epic to (name an android delicious snack).
And because Samsung has own System on a Chip (hummingbird), Samsung has to develop drivers for SOC, it take a long time to find bug and fixing them for future upgrade.

I hope your right... So whats taking so long with CM6.2 lol ,j/k

ecooce said:
I hope your right... So whats taking so long with CM6.2 lol ,j/k
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Because of Samsung's bugs in the Modem/Kernel

Thanks for the update.

Shouldn't this be in general?

Mugen678 said:
Shouldn't this be in general?
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yes........

Mugen678 said:
Shouldn't this be in general?
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He's Noobnl...he's one of our "Gods" here he can do w/e he wants 8)

Silly question... is there a Galaxy-S specific to S. Korea? I *know* it wouldn't be the i9000, because S. Korea is 100% CDMA. I'd expect *that one* to have the most active open-source activity, just b/c that's the model Samsung's own developers would be using in real life.
S. Korea is kind of strange... to Americans & Europeans, it looks closed & proprietary. In reality, it has an *incredibly* active homebrew scene. The problem is, Korean doesn't commonly Romanize loanwords, so if you can't read Hangul writing, it looks more alien than even Chinese, and way more foreign than Japanese usually does. And reinforcing the isolation, it's a big country with domestic dev scene that's big enough to keep most Koreans totally happy... for them, there's not much value to make the trouble of digging through English forums worthwhile.
I know this because I have a Robotis Bioloid robot. Their English software & docs are almost *ancient* compared to the Korean ones. Seeing the gap was very eye-opening.
Anyway, my point is that the sourcecode to the CDMA-related .ko modules we need for Froyo & Gingerbread is probably floating around in public *right now* on a site like XDA in Korea. We just need to find it ;-)
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Thanks to noobnl for giving us an idea of why this has been taking forever. atleast we have some answer now.

Now that ppl now know this maybe they'll stop with the blame game I hope! :-D
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Are they even releasing Froyo or are they jumping straight to Gingerbread? At this point, might as well just skip Froyo all together, but seems Samsung hasn't ironed out all the bugs in even Froyo yet.

There will probably be a new Samsung phone out with Gingerbread by the time they get Froyo out for the Epic. Heck they'll prob release the second gen Epic 4G before Froyo comes out.
Reminds me of my frustrating days as a Palm owner. At least we have devs and roms for our Epic.

Froyo
Can't we just create a sticky that says "Lasciate ogni speranza voi ch'entrate"... I kid... Mostly

quickstang said:
There will probably be a new Samsung phone out with Gingerbread by the time they get Froyo out for the Epic. Heck they'll prob release the second gen Epic 4G before Froyo comes out.
Reminds me of my frustrating days as a Palm owner. At least we have devs and roms for our Epic.
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This reminds me of my last Android phone. I originally had a Hero, we didn't get an official 2.1 until after the EVO came out. Luckily CM6 came out blew the hero away. and then I blew mine apart, from about 300 yards, with a 30-06.

Latest Epic System Dump
anyone (dev's) know what OS this dump is and can you do anything with it? Please enlighten us.
http://forum.androidcentral.com/showthread.php?p=294273#post294273

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anyone (dev's) know what OS this dump is and can you do anything with it? Please enlighten us.
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Dude, that was posted before the epic was released. It was just a head start for dev's in the beginning.
get thE PICture?

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anyone (dev's) know what OS this dump is and can you do anything with it? Please enlighten us.
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Eclair, not helpful at this point.

sorry 'bout that
yeah... old post... I didn't see the date until after I posted it. Crap on me.... I had a retarded moment. LOL

I'm confused about something.. (unless recent rumors are true), couldn't samsung just release the source *unofficially* and have developers work on it? And then when their team is ready working out their own stuff, they/sprint can push out their own update?

It would be easier to have patience with Samsung if they actually gave one date and stuck to it. Instead we get Tweets, false rumors, and other phones updating before we get anything. Never again with Samsung.

Samsung Mobile could offer the first Gingerbread updates to US carriers

Samsung Mobile could offer the first Gingerbread updates to US carriers
FYI #2, I figured some of ya might be very interested to hear this!

Got me interested!

I'll believe it when I see it.

I call bull ****
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Wow. Don't believe that. Were still trying to get another froyo coming on the 21st.
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Willieumm said:
I'll believe it when I see it.
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this
/10 char

I have trouble believing... but maybe someone in the Samsung front office actually got a clue...
Add in the "rumor" of a Samsung Nexus S 4G being announced by Sprint at CTIA....
Heck, would be nice to be ahead for a change....
But I'm not gonna hold my breath! ROFL!

More than one person here has said any official port of GB to the Epic would be far less work than Froyo has been for Sammy and Sprint. But I've always said that's being more hopeful than history warrants us to be. I'll be glad to just get a good Froyo on here without worries.

Willieumm said:
I'll believe it when I see it.
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While I have my doubts about Sprint/Samsung actually supporting our phones with OS updates past 2.2; the possibility of the Nexus coming to Sprint and the speed at which they have (supposedly) fixed bugs and moved to release another Froyo update to us has me optimistic this may have some truth to it.

Maybe samsung does care after all

Negativity in 3.....2......1............
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I call bull ****
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This belongs in the rumour thread...
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If this happens it could go a long way to make me rethink my never buying another samsung and going back to HTC. Samsung had great hardware. I love it, but I can't deal with this software delay again. If I see evidence I won't have to wait with samsung then I would be welling to give another shot. They need to prove it.
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I suspect much would be forgiven if Sammy actually accomplished this, it went relatively smoothly, defects were minimal, and the change persisted in the future.
I know I'd forgive and forget. As I posted in another thread awhile back, I'm not vindictive, and it makes no sense to hold a grudge against a company... I only punish myself, not them.
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I always have believed that if a couple of dev's on this site can pump out a stable rom in a short amount of time WHILE having other jobs and doing this in their free time, there is no reason for any company that PAYS people to do the same job to take as long as these companies do.
As neat as it sounds to have Sprint and Samsung push out the first 2.3 updates in the US, I will not be holding my breath what so ever. I'll stick with custom roms and just Odin back if I have any trouble.
With that said, it'll be nice to see Samsung release this, but then again I just don't care. I love my phone regardless

Jus be patient ppl...it will come when it comes....
IF it comes that is.

Ok... Flame me if you want to, but I believe it.
You: Omg! No! Sammy will nevurrrr do that!
Yes, they would. They dont want to lose customers and more importantly, if the nexus s 4g rumors are true, it will most likely have the same hardware as the epic because the epic 4g radios arent broken, so they dont need to fix them, and even if they are, samsumg used some of the horrible moment files for us. Anyways, with a nexus s 4g, samsung will have a 2.3.x device with epic hardware, and since they already have the drivers from it, the epic 4g will get 2.3 quick like how the i9000 has official 2.3, even if we dont get it quick, we (the xda community) can get the nexus s 4g software running on the epic really quick.
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The Headline says:
"Samsung Mobile could offer the first Gingerbread updates to US carriers"
I didn't see it say much about the carriers getting it out to any of us.

Top Nurse said:
This belongs in the rumour thread...
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Technically, this is a Gingerbread rumor. The other thread is for Froyo rumors.
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RSPC said:
The Headline says:
"Samsung Mobile could offer the first Gingerbread updates to US carriers"
I didn't see it say much about the carriers getting it out to any of us.
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Totally agree. Samsung is slow, sprint is just as slow if not worse. I started out with blackberry(bowing my head in shame) and they were horrible with them. Rim atleast understood that so they let out leaks on a fairly regular basis for the devs to play with. Now with android, first the moment and now with the epic, sprint is terrible again. And whats even worse with both of them, and where they can stop alot negativity from even starting is if they both just comminicate more with the users. I feel if we had more info, especially on promised updates, it is an easier pill to swallow then being left totally in the dark.
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Samsungs Cheap Stupidity

Now dont get this wrong, but didnt a developer go to Samsung. And on another note, there are unlimited number of people still with Samsung Moment!! And are they not working with ICS or Already have it?! I do alot to try to keep up. But I hate cheap excuses. Touchwiz can kiss my ...!!! I can do without. If we can develop it to work here....Thank You Developers and all Members. Why Cant We? We were taught growing up to never give up!! If there is a will there is a way!! Never Give up, Never Surrender!! And so on!!!
So Come on Samsung.......we continue to be your loyal followers!! Give Us One More Gift....A late Christmas Present before letting us go to the SGIII!!!
Thats Alll I ask!! Even if it is Light...I can deal with that!!!

They can't just remove TW and give us ICS. Just wait for CM9.
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Gavisann said:
They can't just remove TW and give us ICS. Just wait for CM9.
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*won't
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I think he was right by saying "can't" it would confuse those who aren't tech savy(majority of smartphone users) by taking TW fully off our phone. And from what I heard our phone need some parts of TW. Cm7 "I think" have a little tw in it
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masaidjet said:
I think he was right by saying "can't" it would confuse those who aren't tech savy(majority of smartphone users) by taking TW fully off our phone. And from what I heard our phone need some parts of TW. Cm7 "I think" have a little tw in it
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Cm7 does not have any TW.
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rootxda said:
Now dont get this wrong, but didnt a developer go to Samsung. And on another note, there are unlimited number of people still with Samsung Moment!! And are they not working with ICS or Already have it?! I do alot to try to keep up. But I hate cheap excuses. Touchwiz can kiss my ...!!! I can do without. If we can develop it to work here....Thank You Developers and all Members. Why Cant We? We were taught growing up to never give up!! If there is a will there is a way!! Never Give up, Never Surrender!! And so on!!!
So Come on Samsung.......we continue to be your loyal followers!! Give Us One More Gift....A late Christmas Present before letting us go to the SGIII!!!
Thats Alll I ask!! Even if it is Light...I can deal with that!!!
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Try for a moment to step outside your world and look at things from the other 99% of Epic users; the ones that AREN'T on XDA and spend most of their day doing things other than flashing their phones. Even assuming that ICS works smoothly on the Epic, replacing the current GB rom with a bare stripped ICS rom would look like a downgrade to them with all the Touchwiz functions missing. Maybe some people would like that, but I think it would be a marketing mess to try and explain why they are taking away features with an update.
For those of us who are geeky enough to want a plain ICS rom, stand by for CM9, that will be here much sooner than we would get an official ICS update.

And if I see one more new thread about whether or not we get some stupid upgrade a year from now I am going to throw up all over XDA! Please put all rants in an existing ICS rant and complaints!

Cheer up !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyx6JDQCslE&ob=av3e
why worry about phone updates that much ....

You have to understand that Samsung is just lazy about the Epic. We are just recently getting a final Gingerbread build in November and it STILL has memory leaks. They would like Sprint to discontinue them.

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And on another note, there are unlimited number of people still with Samsung Moment!! And are they not working with ICS or Already have it?!
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2.2 is working well, but the CM alpha version of 2.3 that was put out for the Moment, ran like crap, and was pretty much dropped as the devs moved on. I HIGHLY doubt that any version of ICS will run on the Samsung Moment in a decent manner
Not that I dont wish it would, just having modded the Samsung Moment for a couple years now, IMO it just doenst have enough internal space or processing power for a full blown ICS build.
Now the Epic has enough of both, if the partitions are resized, but I highly doubt that Samsung will take that route.
IMO, the only way the Epic will see ICS is with CM9. Thankfully, I feel there is a very good chance CM9 will be developed and released at some point by the CM development team

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masaidjet said:
I think he was right by saying "can't" it would confuse those who aren't tech savy(majority of smartphone users) by taking TW fully off our phone. And from what I heard our phone need some parts of TW. Cm7 "I think" have a little tw in it
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OK there is some confusion here...
1. He was wrong with "can't," Samsung could remove touchwiz entirely from our phone, and put AOSP Ics, with our hardware drivers that they have access too. HTC has already done this by removing sense from a phone, so it could get gingerbread.
2. As long as there is a tutorial, any user can get used to a new ui.
3. Our phone(nor any gs phone) does not need any touchwiz at all in CM. We have to use some Samsung proprietary files, cause we cant change them.
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Maybe Samsung should just release a non TW version of ICS, but not have it as an OTA download. Those that want it would have to download it manually from a website and then use the "Odin for Dumbies" method of flashing ala the EB13 download that walked a person step by step on flashing the phone which would wipe the whole phone and install EB13.
That way the 99% of users who don't tinker with there phones would still have TW and GB on their phones and be happy with it, while the few that want ICS would get it as well.

adelmundo said:
Maybe Samsung should just release a non TW version of ICS, but not have it as an OTA download. Those that want it would have to download it manually from a website and then use the "Odin for Dumbies" method of flashing ala the EB13 download that walked a person step by step on flashing the phone which would wipe the whole phone and install EB13.
That way the 99% of users who don't tinker with there phones would still have TW and GB on their phones and be happy with it, while the few that want ICS would get it as well.
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Yes but its not worth the time and money for them to do that. Especially when CM9 does it for free. In my opinion, the smartest thing for them to do would be to supply the Samsung CM maintainers with the necessary drivers and sources to easily get CM9 running perfectly. Doesnt cost any money or much time and at the end of the day, the people who care are happy.

masaidjet said:
I think he was right by saying "can't" it would confuse those who aren't tech savy(majority of smartphone users) by taking TW fully off our phone. And from what I heard our phone need some parts of TW. Cm7 "I think" have a little tw in it
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So, every Epic owner who doesn't use XDA also can't handle the transition to a new UI? Not one of those several hundred users has ever had a previous phone, especially not one made by HTC or any of the several other android phone manufacturers, or a Blackberry or iPhone? If that's the case, how did I miss the rioting when Sprint released the first update to Froyo? Or GB? (The UI changed with both of those upgrades, remember?)
rootxda said:
And on another note, there are unlimited number of people still with Samsung Moment!!
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Overpopulation must have really gotten out of control without my noticing - the last time I checked, this entire planet has a finite (in other words, limited) population...
I personally don't have a Moment, so the absolute maximum number of people (the limit, if you will) is already guaranteed to be [world population - 1] at the most (assuming every man, woman and child has a Moment except me)
So, what was that about stupidity?
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im sure he meant "a limited" not unlimited.

austin420 said:
im sure he meant "a limited" not unlimited.
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That would directly contradict the point he tried to make by using that statement - that development is still rolling on the Moment. If there were limited users in this case (since we know that there is always a limit to the number, actually stating it implies a very limited number), then that would be an argument in favor of slowing or halting development on that device due to a dwindling user base
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It reads to me that the thought he is trying to convey is, "why does the moment (with such a limited user base) already have people (not samsung) working on ics and cm9 and we dont (with many more people currently using the epic)?".
I'm not sure though. The op need some grammer training and a better spellchecker.
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MysteryEmotionz said:
http://t.co/Re0TMQvd
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interesting ...

austin420 said:
It reads to me that the thought he is trying to convey is, "why does the moment (with such a limited user base) already have people (not samsung) working on ics and cm9 and we dont (with many more people currently using the epic)?".
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Nicely reworded.
That said, anyone know of a link to any sort of ICS and/or CM9 in any state for the Moment?