The fact that we were promised a piece of software that should only require minor tweaking is absolutely unacceptable. I use linux for almost everything and that being said I know a bit about rolling out releases of different distros and how to integrate them into different systems. Android is a linux based software, (Opensource might I add), the only reason we don't have the bleeding edge is because Samsung needs to put their horrible UI into it, TW. I don't care about "Touchwiz" its badly programmed and anyone who has taken basic programing courses could program a GUI for this phone that puts it to shame. I'm sick of dealing with leaked versions of things that I was promised. No offense to any of the Devs, you guys are incredible and should be paid to roll out these releases rather than waiting for these bad companies with their "programmers" to try to find out how to use a toilet. we should have a stable build of gingerbread by now and I'm sorry but building a driver/hardware file for a computer isnt that hard, nor should it be so for Samsung since they placed all the parts into the phone. What do they have like one person with half a brain trying to reprogram the whole OS using Assembly code? Do they not realize the OS its self is open source and you can mod the code for each phone?? Both sprint and Samsung are horrible companies, if Froyo doesn't show soon, I will never touch a single one of their products after my contract is up, which is soon. Sorry, I just needed to rage. Hard.
Im with you man. Samsung stinks! I traded my EVO for a Epic and I have regretted it since. It has the best hardware out there and ZERO support. They are too slow about upgrades that are available and even lower end phones have gotten Froyo. They should skip Froyo and be first to drop Gingerbread. But, that would be too much like right for Samsung who sold the phones then dropped all of its users like a bad habit. If they dont do something soon Ill never buy another phone from Samsung. I dont blame Sprint because dropping updates is not on them. The EVO will probably be the next to get Froyo because that's the phone that Sprint has thrown it all in with.
Actually, I'm pretty sure it's Sprint's fault for the delayed release. Sprint putting in their bloatware is the most likely reason we have not received the OTA yet. While Samsung is at fault for not getting it out sooner, it is Sprint that is causing this delay.
All companies are like this its not just sprint or samsung... I've been with every carrier except att and I've tried all three major cellphone brands and they've all lagged behind like this.
Until android is less fragmented, (think its getting there), and carriers realize their UIs only frustrate consumers and there are better ways to advertise/garnish more fundage from existing customer base; we will face "version lag" all the time regardless of carrier/phone.
Just my $0.02
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I think saying Gingerbread should be available now is pushing it..at this stage Gingerbread is for "developers"...I'm not saying that its not stable or anything, but it requires time to optimize for the hardware at hand...no phone ever gets a new Android OS until a few months after it came out..other the developer phones...
As for Froyo..according to samsung they gave it to the carriers..yes they have been slow overall but considering they are releasing 2.2.1 and not just 2.2 puts them there...
We know 100% that touchwiz is not the issue at this point as the leaks are running touchwiz just fine..
Either way there is still hope for end of the year update..as next playbook comes out on the 29th
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The fact that we were promised a piece of software that should only require minor tweaking is absolutely unacceptable. I use linux for almost everything and that being said I know a bit about rolling out releases of different distros and how to integrate them into different systems. Android is a linux based software, (Opensource might I add), the only reason we don't have the bleeding edge is because Samsung needs to put their horrible UI into it, TW. I don't care about "Touchwiz" its badly programmed and anyone who has taken basic programing courses could program a GUI for this phone that puts it to shame. I'm sick of dealing with leaked versions of things that I was promised. No offense to any of the Devs, you guys are incredible and should be paid to roll out these releases rather than waiting for these bad companies with their "programmers" to try to find out how to use a toilet. we should have a stable build of gingerbread by now and I'm sorry but building a driver/hardware file for a computer isnt that hard, nor should it be so for Samsung since they placed all the parts into the phone. What do they have like one person with half a brain trying to reprogram the whole OS using Assembly code? Do they not realize the OS its self is open source and you can mod the code for each phone?? Both sprint and Samsung are horrible companies, if Froyo doesn't show soon, I will never touch a single one of their products after my contract is up, which is soon. Sorry, I just needed to rage. Hard.
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we could all do one thing in the morning CALL SPRINT AND *****
Ya it may not do any thing but piss off the cs that takes the call but o well
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we could all do one thing in the morning CALL SPRINT AND *****
Ya it may not do any thing but piss off the cs that takes the call but o well
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Why ***** to customer service? They can't do a damn thing. If you were to ***** to anyone, ***** to the techs or their managers.
I haven't heard any body mention this in the forums but I was reading an article that said sprint was bringing their new crappy sprint ID software to the new epic update and I guarantee that's probably what's causing the delay
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Sprint "bloatware" is only a few apps worth a few megs. I think the only bloatware would be TW. I will never understand why is it so hard to port, say, the g2 build of android to our phone or any other android phone considering its pure vanilla with a few apps installed extra.. but that's why I'm no dev lol
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Im with you man. Samsung stinks! I traded my EVO for a Epic and I have regretted it since. It has the best hardware out there and ZERO support. They are too slow about upgrades that are available and even lower end phones have gotten Froyo. They should skip Froyo and be first to drop Gingerbread. But, that would be too much like right for Samsung who sold the phones then dropped all of its users like a bad habit. If they dont do something soon Ill never buy another phone from Samsung. I dont blame Sprint because dropping updates is not on them. The EVO will probably be the next to get Froyo because that's the phone that Sprint has thrown it all in with.
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right its not like ANY of the us carriers have gotten froyo on the galaxy s, something is seriously WRONG HERE and samsung is to blame! the phone should had froyo on it since DAY1! the nexus s had gingerbread since day 1 why didnt the galaxy s. regardless the epic should have froyo on it and if they want to release gingerbread later then go ahead. release froyo already! the phone never realized its potential. making us wait this long and i mean all of AMERICA is going to hurt samsung in the long run. i for one WILL NEVER BUY ANOTHER SAMSUNG PHONE AGAIN! tweet email samsung and tell them them same.
btw if u bought a vibrant, how pissed off r u that the nexus s came out!
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Why ***** to customer service? They can't do a damn thing. If you were to ***** to anyone, ***** to the techs or their managers.
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They can't do a damn thing either. Especially if you're in a non-corporate store.
Can anyone put a link of as to who we can ***** too??
Let's KILL!! (lol)
A reply to the (op) My friend owns an Epic so I came on here to check if Froyo was released for it today and I ran across this post. I for one know that this all falls on Samsung and has nothing to do with Sprint. I have an EVO since launch day and have gotten 4 updates including Froyo about a month after release of the phone. Your Epics came out about a week or two after we got Froyo and Samsung has been promising ever since. Google other Samsung phones and you will see this is a trend with this company. The Galaxy S line over seas are not carried by Sprint and they just started getting Froyo Open your eyes its Samsung. No Froyo on T-Mobile, Verizon or At&t
Well Samsung must be to bizy making Auto Guns to keep the Crazy ****s in the North at bay. Than to hire any of the devs around hear that seem to know a little about our phone.
People. Say don't ***** out sprint well start posting some @samsung.com emails that you think we can ***** to insted?
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A reply to the (op) My friend owns an Epic so I came on here to check if Froyo was released for it today and I ran across this post. I for one know that this all falls on Samsung and has nothing to do with Sprint. I have an EVO since launch day and have gotten 4 updates including Froyo about a month after release of the phone. Your Epics came out about a week or two after we got Froyo and Samsung has been promising ever since. Google other Samsung phones and you will see this is a trend with this company. The Galaxy S line over seas are not carried by Sprint and they just started getting Froyo Open your eyes its Samsung. No Froyo on T-Mobile, Verizon or At&t
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Exactly. Very well said. This is a samsung issue and sprint has nothing to do with it. If that was the case then when the Evo got Froyo it would have probably been delayed also. I am only posting here because I was considering getting a epic but with all this delay and lack of support, I think I will have to re-think that. Everyone said from day one that Samsung would not support the phone and it has been proven true. Just a note on the delay, I have to say that the update was out for the vibrant and it was bricking phones. That shows how good the developers are over at samsung. They can't even program their own product. It's a shame because it's such a nice phone and the keyboard was the icing on the cake. Oh well.
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Exactly. Very well said. This is a samsung issue and sprint has nothing to do with it. If that was the case then when the Evo got Froyo it would have probably been delayed also. I am only posting here because I was considering getting a epic but with all this delay and lack of support, I think I will have to re-think that. Everyone said from day one that Samsung would not support the phone and it has been proven true. Just a note on the delay, I have to say that the update was out for the vibrant and it was bricking phones. That shows how good the developers are over at samsung. They can't even program their own product. It's a shame because it's such a nice phone and the keyboard was the icing on the cake. Oh well.
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Vary true
But in away i feel kinda bad for the hardware Engs that made the Epic they put all that work into a sweet phone and the SW people just totally drop the ball
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Can anyone put a link of as to who we can ***** too??
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http://tinyurl.com/2al2h5u
there you have it. Have fun!
Where can we contact the company to ***** at them. Cause calling sprint isn't gonna do anything
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A reply to the (op) My friend owns an Epic so I came on here to check if Froyo was released for it today and I ran across this post. I for one know that this all falls on Samsung and has nothing to do with Sprint. I have an EVO since launch day and have gotten 4 updates including Froyo about a month after release of the phone. Your Epics came out about a week or two after we got Froyo and Samsung has been promising ever since. Google other Samsung phones and you will see this is a trend with this company. The Galaxy S line over seas are not carried by Sprint and they just started getting Froyo Open your eyes its Samsung. No Froyo on T-Mobile, Verizon or At&t
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They are both at fault actually. Samsung was slow to release the update to carriers and now they are being slow to release it to the end user. SGS devices in europe have had the update since november.
As to the evo issue, sprint considers the evo its flag ship device and as such makes sure it is up to date whereas they have made it abundantly clear they don't give a single flying **** about the epic so there is no incentive to update.
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Might be the bearer of unhappy news here, but Sprint sent a couple of tweets out today concerning the update.
http://twitter.com/sprint/status/13553847246
"Android users:Sprint continues to work closely w Samsung/HTC on 2.1, on track to be avail Q2. Sprint had hoped to have this resolved by now."
http://twitter.com/sprint/status/13553862034
"Many thanks to our customers for your continued patience as we work to bring you a positive experience with the 2.1 upgrade."
I guess the fevor pitch got too high and they felt a need to defuse it. Was that a hint of frustration on Sprint's part there as well? ("...had hoped to have this resolved by now.")
Anyway, back to being satisfied with our ROMs for me. Sorry everyone.
least it's still a bit of hope for us not running 2.1 yet. It's a small step in the right direction. Sprint is finally communicating at least something.
How does this pertain to us ? I mean I am not currently waiting on a possible update for my Sprint Samsung Hero.
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How does this pertain to us ? I mean I am not currently waiting on a possible update for my Sprint Samsung Hero.
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It was to all Sprint Android Users. Samsung owners and HTC owners. Apparently they are having as many issues with Samsung as they are HTC. I wonder if there is an commonality between the issues they are having.
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It was to all Sprint Android Users. Samsung owners and HTC owners. Apparently they are having as many issues with Samsung as they are HTC. I wonder if there is an commonality between the issues they are having.
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Of course there is a commonality, one thing both phones have in common is Sprint.
Thank goodness we already have a 100% fucntional 2.1 ROM. HTC just needs to release the kernel source!
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Thank goodness we already have a 100% fucntional 2.1 ROM. HTC just needs to release the kernel source!
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That pretty much said it perfectly ...
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How does this pertain to us ? I mean I am not currently waiting on a possible update for my Sprint Samsung Hero.
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If you take a closer look at the first tweet, it says "Sprint continues to work closely w Samsung/HTC...", so they are speaking to both parties.
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If you take a closer look at the first tweet, it says "Sprint continues to work closely w Samsung/HTC...", so they are speaking to both parties.
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You are correct. I missed that part. But to be blunt if you looked at forums, you would also see that this has been posted quite a few times already. Both screwed up I guess.
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Of course there is a commonality, one thing both phones have in common is Sprint.
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Couldn't agree more.
Things like this really make me wonder why people are so into the Evo. This is like Deja Vu. The hero came out with old software that had been running on the g1 for a year. Then we sit and wait for 7 months for an update that will most likely be old by the time we get it. They are working on 2.2 and that is coming soon. Now people are going to jump on the same bandwagon for the evo which is the exact situation with the hero. They release the phone in june with software that is going to be considered old a few months later. Everyone that gets the evo will then complain that they are not on 2.2 and how sprint and htc dropped the ball again.
Me personally, I don't think I will get the evo just because of this fiasco. I have been using 2.1 for a while and it's great but is it worth all this headache.....NO. If android doesn't fix this fragmentation they will lose lots of customers. This will really be felt when the new iphone comes out. It's easy for them to play back and forth now but when the biggest competitor comes out, these problems will not be overlooked by most consumers.
I personally think that this update is being held back till the evo comes out so they can sway consumers to that product. Business isn't always about pleasing the consumer. Sprint has got your money and htc has got your money. They want you to buy a new phone and that's that. I wouldn't be suprised if the update drops the same exact week as the evo. They will say sorry for the delay and not meeting the Q2 but it's coming out soon. Nothing is etched in stone and we are just hanging on every word hoping something new will be released.
We have been dealing with broken youtube player and nothing has been done or mentioned to fix it. Do you really want to take the risk in doing this again. Everything is going to be put aside till the evo drops. That is the phone that is supposedly going to save sprint it's decline in customers. The eris is going to be discontinued by verizon this month. This should show everyone that htc is not interested in these products anymore. If they were we would have gotten 1.6 when it became available. The hero was made to open the eyes of cdma customers to android. It did just that and now it's time to get you to upgrade so they can continue to make money. Why does sprint care if you get 2.1. There not going to make any money in dropping the update, so why rush.
my point exactly
I am really curious to know what problems with 2.1 are causing the delay?? After all we have a decent working version now. If there really is some big issue wouldn't we have found it by now?
I don't think its "Android," its Sprint w/ HTC and Samsung implementing 2.1 to their devices. But that's just me.
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Of course there is a commonality, one thing both phones have in common is Sprint.
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SMH........
My guess is that the problem lies with one of the POS sprint applications that are stripped out of almost all the custom ROMs since the problem is effecting both the Samsung and HTC updates. They have never worked right and in an application rich environment like Android, I don't think they are necessary. Nav was nice for 1.5, but no longer necessary. NFL is a decent application, but poorly implemented. You can't even let the screen turn off while streaming audio. Sprint TV is a cool idea, but again poorly implemented. It would always start up in the background for no reason. Many people have said it in defense of Sprint, sprint is not a software company... I know they outsource these applications, but it is to a company that has no apparent android experience.
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Things like this really make me wonder why people are so into the Evo.
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The draw is that the Evo has sweet hardware, that and we Hero users have had a fully functional 2.1 for quite some time due to devs. What is the problem? Is there some other Android handset which shipped with 1.5 Android that has had break neck updates?
Does it really matter? If someone is THAT hard up for the updated OS, they can get it without waiting for the official release. And if they're not that impatient, they're probably ok on what they're using.
The people that really want to upgrade their phone can and will do it. I see no reason to freak out about if/when Sprint will release their version of the upgrade.
And for what it's worth, Sprint has ALWAYS been behind in releasing OS updates. They were like that with WinMO as well. Hence one of the reasons people started hacking and developing ROMs to begin with.
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The draw is that the Evo has sweet hardware, that and we Hero users have had a fully functional 2.1 for quite some time due to devs. What is the problem? Is there some other Android handset which shipped with 1.5 Android that has had break neck updates?
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Isn't Sprint still on track to have the only phones in the US upgraded to 2.1? I mean they are at least going to be the first ones to do it. Not that there aren't companies with a 2.1 phone.
And about fragmentation...it affects EVERY software company, unless the supply exact hardware. FroYo will likely take care of most of it - they approached it with a very modular design. And Rumor has it Gingerbread+ will have more specific hardware requirements, thought still less restrictive than Iphone and WinMo.
We are in an interesting time in the Mobile World. A lot of innovation is happening VERY quickly. It's simply Moore's Law. The next generation of hardware coming down the pipe is just TOO different than what we are running now.
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You are correct. I missed that part. But to be blunt if you looked at forums, you would also see that this has been posted quite a few times already. Both screwed up I guess.
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When I posted this I looked through the first two pages to check if the info was already up, and to the best of my knowledge it wasn't. (After I posted I saw that the SprintGuy thread had just got updated with it as well, but it was practically at the same time)
Doesn't matter though, we will probably still have someone post this tomorrow morning.
http://reviews.cnet.com/2722-6452_7-774.html?tag=rb_content;carouselMain
Nothing groundbreaking, but a fun vid. They give Evo a slight edge.
nice video..good stuff...
The fact that HTC is about to release an update for the EVO after their froyo update, and Samsung hasn't even gotten Froyo yet is enough for me to put the EVO way in the lead.
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The fact that HTC is about to release an update for the EVO after their froyo update, and Samsung hasn't even gotten Froyo yet is enough for me to put the EVO way in the lead.
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This and the fact that flagship HTC phones always get 10x the community support.
The insides (hardware/specs) of the Epic 4G are way better but outside (software/build) is just blah.
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This and the fact that flagship HTC phones always get 10x the community support.
The insides (hardware/specs) of the Epic 4G are way better but outside (software/build) is just blah.
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^ Hero vs. Moment all over again. I'll never make the mistake of choosing Samsung over HTC again.
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The fact that HTC is about to release an update for the EVO after their froyo update, and Samsung hasn't even gotten Froyo yet is enough for me to put the EVO way in the lead.
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To defend the epic it hasn't been out to long. How long did it take HTC to get out froyo for the evo...what 2 plus months. The community for the Epic too is far ahead of what the community was a the same time for the Hero. So if it is that important to you that you have a larger e-penis then I fully understand your bias and random facts...
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To defend the epic it hasn't been out to long. How long did it take HTC to get out froyo for the evo...what 2 plus months. The community for the Epic too is far ahead of what the community was a the same time for the Hero. So if it is that important to you that you have a larger e-penis then I fully understand your bias and random facts...
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Samsung shouldve just put Froyo on the Epic to begin with...
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To defend the epic it hasn't been out to long. How long did it take HTC to get out froyo for the evo...what 2 plus months. The community for the Epic too is far ahead of what the community was a the same time for the Hero. So if it is that important to you that you have a larger e-penis then I fully understand your bias and random facts...
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Nope nothing to do with e-penis. Has to do with the fact that I know HTC has better support for their phones than Samsung.
My friend has the epic, I think it has one of the best hardware keyboards out there the Super AMOLED screen is awesome, and the processor is great. With all that being said, I have no faith in Samsung taking care of the phone as much as HTC does.
And if you want to go by your line of thinking the Samsung Galaxy S line has been out longer than the HTC EVO and not ONE of them has Froyo on them officially yet.
HTC has put froyo on quite a few different models so far, and Samsung can't do it on their one line of phones that's supposed to be their top of the line phone which has already shipped 1 million units in the US alone.
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To defend the epic it hasn't been out to long. How long did it take HTC to get out froyo for the evo...what 2 plus months. The community for the Epic too is far ahead of what the community was a the same time for the Hero. So if it is that important to you that you have a larger e-penis then I fully understand your bias and random facts...
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Yes, but the htc was initially released with android 1.0, and froyo wasn't released for another month. But epic was released 2 months AFTER froyo was released, and they have plenty of time to recode it for froyo and then release it. So in total it's been 3 months since froyo was released and epic doesn't have it atm.
And Sprint/HTC were the first to rollout Froyo. (Google pushed it for the Nexus One).
Before I click the link, knowing cnet I bet they mentioned iPhone several times lol.
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To defend the epic it hasn't been out to long. How long did it take HTC to get out froyo for the evo...what 2 plus months. The community for the Epic too is far ahead of what the community was a the same time for the Hero. So if it is that important to you that you have a larger e-penis then I fully understand your bias and random facts...
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To debunk you, the Galaxy S line of phones has been out across multiple carriers and countries for as long as the Evo has been out. There are only two minor differences between other Galaxy S phones and the Epic - hardware keyboard and WiMax. They could have pushed out a Froyo update by now but Samsung is just full of fail.
I regret even trying to post in this thread. I forgot it was on the Evo part of this forum and if one bad thing is even voiced or implied about any phone here then your just a total uneducated imbecile...apologies for trying to add some right to your guys left.
Ill go somewhere else.
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I regret even trying to post in this thread. I forgot it was on the Evo part of this forum and if one bad thing is even voiced or implied about any phone here then your just a total uneducated imbecile...apologies for trying to add some right to your guys left.
Ill go somewhere else.
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I was really only upset about the part that you were implying that my opinion had to do with me worrying about the size of my e-penis.
Hardware wise the Galaxy S is undeniably a better phone, but from my experience (and yes I've owned Samsung phones too), Samsung is horrible with software. Back in the old days software wasn't a huge part of cell phones, but today, no matter how good the hardware, bad software will make a phone bad. I'm not implying the Galaxy S software is bad, I actually kinda like touchwiz, but I'm worried about how long Samsung will have people like my friend stuck on 2.1.
I made no opinion on the Galaxy S hacking community since I have no experience on what they're doing.
To end this debate, I have the largest e-penis.
8=================D
Go ahead and lock the thread now
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I was really only upset about the part that you were implying that my opinion had to do with me worrying about the size of my e-penis.
Hardware wise the Galaxy S is undeniably a better phone, but from my experience (and yes I've owned Samsung phones too), Samsung is horrible with software. Back in the old days software wasn't a huge part of cell phones, but today, no matter how good the hardware, bad software will make a phone bad. I'm not implying the Galaxy S software is bad, I actually kinda like touchwiz, but I'm worried about how long Samsung will have people like my friend stuck on 2.1.
I made no opinion on the Galaxy S hacking community since I have no experience on what they're doing.
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To be honest I am worrried about samsungs support too. I really want them o support it. They just released an update. And another one is coming soon for the gps so they are doing something. froyo is just. Little off. I don't even want to talk aboujt gingerbread. Apologies for saying you were trying to enlarge your epenis...immature on my part!
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To be honest I am worrried about samsungs support too. I really want them o support it. They just released an update. And another one is coming soon for the gps so they are doing something. froyo is just. Little off. I don't even want to talk aboujt gingerbread. Apologies for saying you were trying to enlarge your epenis...immature on my part!
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no one here is saying anything about the phone itself. Everyone knows the hardware is at the top of the pyramid. The only reason the evo vs epic threads happen is because of the software portion. We know that evo is behind in hardware, but the software/updates make up for that. And to a normal user, the software part is what matters. The main argument between the evo vs epic thread is about the horrible support samsung has done in the past. No one knows if samsung will turn it around for epic, but it's looking like that so far. (this is coming from seeing an article about a new samsung galaxy S phone coming out, and it looks like the epic will be left behind just like all the other galaxy S line was left with gps/capacitative buttons/etc..
Personally thats why I didn't buy the phone. I'm still within my 30 day limit and can get it in a snap, but I just dont trust samsung, just like the thousands, if not millions of other people, that have gotten screwed by their older phones (instinct mainly).
but then again, even if samsung were to release the froyo update, most wouldn't switch because of the development support here. If froyo is released, and if htc doesn't release gingerbread to us before that, then I will admit that the epic is a better phone from top to bottom (minus the screen, 4.3 beats the **** out of anything), but I just don't see that happening.
both are great phones but it comes down to this
physical keyboard
From my own experience, the epic was an epic fail. I had one the day they were released and my touch buttons didn't respond unless I put a considerable amount of force on em. My wife got one the same day and her epic didn't have that problem, so I thought I can live with it, but alas, it got to the point where it wouldn't respond at all at times. But, that wasn't the deal breaker. The slide mechanism started coming loose and I could feel the screen flopping as I typed which was unbearable to I returned it for another.
The Second Epic I had seemed okay, or so I thought. I brought it home charged it, ran through the setup and yada yada and everything was kosher. Until I tried to charge it while at work. I almost ran it dead and plugged it in, an hour later I went to check on it and it had the battery symbol with a thermometer flashing. Tried to pick it up and it was burning hot. Unplugged, let it cool, turned it on and it was so laggy I couldn't even get the dialer to come up. So I returned that one too, lucky for me they just had a new shipment of Evos come in so I snatched one up while I could.
Two epics to one evo, my money's on the Evo.
Im jumping onto the Evo!!!! I am returning my Epic tmmrw and then ordering an Evo, I just need a PHONE and not a supercomputer in my pocket, not saying the Evo isnt great and fast, I just dont need what the Epic has to offer at this time, community is more important than the Screen hahaha
@ray
Two epics to one evo, my money's on the Evo.
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Im on my second Epic, and switching to Evo too.
Just read this on phandroid.com.
Samsung is no longer offering the Froyo update to via Kies (this was only available to Bell customers anyway?)
According to Samsung's facebook page:
"We are continuing to investigate issues that some users have reported while completing the upgrade to Android 2.2. In the interim, we are taking the extra precaution of temporarily suspending the upgrade as a download from Kies. We apologize for the inconvenience and ask that clients contact 1-800-751-4078 or [email protected] if they have any further questions."
I think this news means a few things:
1. Since the release in Canada was going to precede the US release, we have a while to wait before any hopes of an official Froyo release for the vibrant.
2. Since Samsung pulled the plug in Canada, it is a safe conclusion that Samsung is responsible for the delay we are experiencing in the USA, not T-Mobile.
3. We should petition T-Mobile to take matters into their own hands because Samsung has failed us. As T-Mobile customers, we deserve to get what we were sold. When we bought our Vibrants, we were sold a smartphone that was capable of being officially updated to Froyo, and within at least a "reasonable" time-frame.
4. In the petition, we should suggest that T-Mobile release a vanilla Froyo or Gingerbread update for our Vibrants, which their engineers could pull-off by adapting the Nexus S rom.
I am setting up the online petition right now. Any suggestions as to details I should include in the petition? I'll post a link when it is ready.
Lol, you're wasting your time.
Sent from my SGS Vibrant.
Samsung software support is losing right now. HTC and Motorola manage to successfully roll out updates across multiple carriers. Samsung can't even manage 1.
This really makes me consider getting a Nexus S.
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falafelfro said:
Just read this on phandroid.com.
Samsung is no longer offering the Froyo update to via Kies (this was only available to Bell customers anyway?)
According to Samsung's facebook page:
"We are continuing to investigate issues that some users have reported while completing the upgrade to Android 2.2. In the interim, we are taking the extra precaution of temporarily suspending the upgrade as a download from Kies. We apologize for the inconvenience and ask that clients contact 1-800-751-4078 or [email protected] if they have any further questions."
I think this news means a few things:
1. Since the release in Canada was going to precede the US release, we have a while to wait before any hopes of an official Froyo release for the vibrant.
2. Since Samsung pulled the plug in Canada, it is a safe conclusion that Samsung is responsible for the delay we are experiencing in the USA, not T-Mobile.
3. We should petition T-Mobile to take matters into their own hands because Samsung has failed us. As T-Mobile customers, we deserve to get what we were sold. When we bought our Vibrants, we were sold a smartphone that was capable of being officially updated to Froyo, and within at least a "reasonable" time-frame.
4. In the petition, we should suggest that T-Mobile release a vanilla Froyo or Gingerbread update for our Vibrants, which their engineers could pull-off by adapting the Nexus S rom.
I am setting up the online petition right now. Any suggestions as to details I should include in the petition? I'll post a link when it is ready.
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When I bought my phone I wasn't promise or told that my phone was going to get froyo....
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When I bought my phone I WAS told that my phone was going to get Froyo, not promised when Froyo would be released.....
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Fixed that for you.
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Fixed that for you.
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Nop...I just knew that even if samsung didn't release I could install it my self which I did!
Well, if there are issues, isn't it good that they're addressing them before wide release? (Better late and grate than early and buggy, right?)
(btw - the rest of yer wish list - "TMO engineers," etc. - is a pipe dream - you're better off asking Santa! )
I don't know we have 2.2 already!?
Isnt it only the Canada versions?
Who really cares anymore? They promised an update months ago. Then kept re promising. Now ginger bread is out and the nexus s. I wouldn't hold my breath.
I assume since your on XDA that your not running stock rom anyways so lets go back to supporting our favorite devs.
Only thing I cant figure out is I with over 4 million galaxys sold why arent there more devs? Not to take away from the great work of the devs on here but it seems like there should be more.
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news like this really surprises me.
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This is just for the Bell version of the Vibrant....?
I have a friend that works for TMo, and she said they got an email saying that the Vibrant was not getting an UPDATE at all. I'll try to get the email...
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I have a friend that works for TMo, and she said they got an email saying that the Vibrant was not getting an UPDATE at all. I'll try to get the email...
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My 80yr old grandma said the same thing. Weird...
Thank GOD for developers and custom ROMS, 2.2 been there done that, whats next lol?
Rumor Control:
This is in regards to the Canada Bell Vibrant after reports of bricking and data loss
http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-canada-pulling-froyo-update
Its good to get your news from multiple sources.
Though I would be curious to know the build number of their 2.2 update, I wouldn't be surprised if it was different from ours, as I'm sure the model number of the Tmo Vibrant is different from theirs, as well as other regional carriers. Remember Kies does things based off of the model number.
unfortunately, your cries fall upon deaf ears..
yeah, samsung software support sucks. the intercept or whatever the crap it is on sprint just got 2.2.
oh well, just do it yourself. it's so easy, and the custom roms are 10x better anyway
but i understand the frustration
Support your own phone then lol. Screw samsung. Let it be your last samsung but don't just let it be broken, fix it. There's ROMS out there that work, and work well. Foyo has been out for the vibrant for what almost 2 months now?
I'm as mad about Samsung's service as the next person but we obviously aren't getting anywhere harrassing them on facebook/twitter or calling support. Like Jae said, it falls on def ears.
SamSUCK
I really can't believe this. This is ****ing ridiculous! I'm mad for you guys. So glad I exchanged my Vibrant for a MyTouch 4G. I can't believe Google would contract a company like SamSUCK to make a dev phone for them. Why couldn't they stick with HTC. They make good solid hardware, they actually support the devices they make.
I fell in love with the Vibrant at first (due to the screen of course) but I just couldn't take the GPS problems, the lag, retarded file system, lack of Froyo, TouchWiz, no front facing camera, no flash, no LED indicator lights, cheap plastic build. I should have known better but I absoutely loved that screen and even my iPhone 4 friends were impressed.
I just couldn't take it anymore. My friend introduced me to this forum, installed ROMs for me which were bug filled, MMS didnt work right on some of them, the pics came in blurry, the GPS was still not good, etc. It was hard for me to do but I took a deep breath and said, F*CK YOU SAMSUCK! Seeing a friends unrooted MT4G getting 1900+ on Quadrant was the last straw. I really tried so hard to like my phone but it was time to give up on SamSUCK. They just don't support their hardware. If you want an Android device, stick with HTC or a phone that runs simply stock. Lesson learned. Samsuck always falls short. Look at the Nexus S. No microSD, no HD recording, no HSPA+. Is this what Google calls revolutionary?? What are you ****ing kidding me?? Typical SamSUCK. HTC would have never done some **** like that. FAIL
I've only had this Epic for almost a month and am very satisfied with it so far. But its getting pretty old looking on xda everyday to see someone new complaining about not having Froyo. You got what you paid for people, you bought a epic with 2.1 eclair on it, do you buy windows xp and then when windows 7 comes out you complain they won't upgrade you for free? There will always be something better and something new out there or up and coming you can't expect companies to sit there and keep working on things of the past they have to make money as well and they have to compete with each other and try to stay on top. I'm not saying I don't think they shouldn't release it for us I'm just saying you realy can't blame them for moving on with other phones as well. And if you think 2.2 is gonna make your phone that much better then go get a vibrant from tmobile bc I put 2.2 on my girlfriends phone last week and it didn't do much of anything for it, its just software sure your battery is a little better or the system runs a little smoother your not changing what you physically have the hardware is what it is and you knew all of this before buying the phone and if you didn't then you had 30 days to do some research and return it to sprint.
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t.lynn.c said:
I've only had this Epic for almost a month and am very satisfied with it so far. But its getting pretty old looking on xda everyday to see someone new complaining about not having Froyo. You got what you paid for people, you bought a epic with 2.1 eclair on it, do you buy windows xp and then when windows 7 comes out you complain they won't upgrade you for free? There will always be something better and something new out there or up and coming you can't expect companies to sit there and keep working on things of the past they have to make money as well and they have to compete with each other and try to stay on top. I'm not saying I don't think they shouldn't release it for us I'm just saying you realy can't blame them for moving on with other phones as well. And if you think 2.2 is gonna make your phone that much better then go get a vibrant from tmobile bc I put 2.2 on my girlfriends phone last week and it didn't do much of anything for it, its just software sure your battery is a little better or the system runs a little smoother your not changing what you physically have the hardware is what it is and you knew all of this before buying the phone and if you didn't then you had 30 days to do some research and return it to sprint.
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jesus do you even read what people say or just regurgitate stuff...
Apparently not why don't you explain to me what I missed?
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Alright, I'll bite.
most of us did not buy our epic's having seen a forum full of people dissatisfied with samsung's ability to upgrade their phones. I for one bought my phone on launch day. August 31st 2010. It was a sunny day, there was a nice breeze. I was young without a care in the world. I saw a phone with very formidable hardware and better yet, a promise from samsung that the device would see 2.2 in the very "near" future.
Now I don't know what you paid for your phone, but I paid retail price plus tax. If I had known I was actually paying for an education about what it exactly it means to buy a samsung phone I would have looked elsewhere.
that being said, theres one thing I can't stand and that is people such as yourself who waited until after people bought the phone and realized that and official update in a timely fashion not likely, accepted that risk, and then come here to rub it in the face of those who care about things like kernel sources, and custom roms to tell us about how we should all be as smart as you with your divine phone selecting savvy. I can't say that I speak for everyone, but I can certainly speak for myself when I tell you sincerely to gtfo.
yours truly, cozmonot
Ok to someone like yourself I understand that you did not know what you were getting yourself into and I'm not trying to say that someone such as yourself that bought the phone right when it came out doesn't have a right to be mad. I never said I had waited to buy this phone for any reason its just when I see ppl on here that say they just got the phone and now are mad they don't have 2.2 yet its disturbing. I understand we need kernals and source to make better roms and things, I myself am running Nebula and have been since the first week of owning this phone, so as with the rest of you I myself would like it so my rom can be further upgraded. The main thing I was trying to get at is that complaining about how we don't have it isn't getting us it I did not mean disrespect for someone like yourself and I don't think I have any better taste for phones than the rest of us we all chose this phone for whatever reasons but I don't think anyone chose it bc it was going to have 2.2
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I agree in that people complaining here doesn't really accomplish much. Apologies, I probably shouldn't reply to threads when I'm angry and tired.
I think we need to make our voice heard by sprint and samsung if we want things to actually happen, and complaining to people in the same position can't make things any better. just look at the vibrant owners who threatened a lawsuit and got the mainstream blogs to post about the vibrant not having froyo, didnt they get the update like a week later? I agree with what you said in your second post and I wish I had known about what I was getting myself into back in August when i signed on the dotted line.
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Ok to someone like yourself I understand that you did not know what you were getting yourself into and I'm not trying to say that someone such as yourself that bought the phone right when it came out doesn't have a right to be mad. I never said I had waited to buy this phone for any reason its just when I see ppl on here that say they just got the phone and now are mad they don't have 2.2 yet its disturbing. I understand we need kernals and source to make better roms and things, I myself am running Nebula and have been since the first week of owning this phone, so as with the rest of you I myself would like it so my rom can be further upgraded. The main thing I was trying to get at is that complaining about how we don't have it isn't getting us it I did not mean disrespect for someone like yourself and I don't think I have any better taste for phones than the rest of us we all chose this phone for whatever reasons but I don't think anyone chose it bc it was going to have 2.2
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Actually, I did. Also, because of the slide out keyboard. If I wanted a phone forever stuck with Eclair, I'd have kept my Moment.
EDIT: I am not stuck on Eclair, but there are people who don't know about rooting and custom ROMs.
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Relax. |
OMGrant this is very true I should probably keep my mouth shut sometimes but its just not easy and that's where the rant part came in...
Rygran87 I really don't know what to say about your unfulfilled promises you must have been happy with the samsung moment to buy another samsung tho...
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I bought the phone because of the hardware and because it was stated that 2.2 would be coming soon. I don't understand how people like you can just accept that You have the phone with the best hardware specs on the market at the moment and not be pissed that it doesn't have 2.2. While I agree that coming on xda and starting multiple threads on if FroYo is out is not the most productive way of dealing with the problem, bending over and submitting that because you paid money for the device and knew that it had 2.1 on is just a cop out.
To answer your question on what does FroYo add, here is just a few.
- What about all of the people who spent $30 to $50 on official samsung docks and can't even use it to the fullest without FroYo. IT EVEN SAYS ON DAMN PACKAGING THAT FULL FUNCTIONALITY WILL BE UNLOCKED WITH THE 2.2 UPDATE.
- What about bluetooth voice dialing, JIT, flash, and the updated google apps that come with 2.2, not to mention the speed increase. The FroYo update for the Vibrant doesn't count in this case because everyone knows that update was rushed because of the lawsuit business, and that lead to a bugged release.
And if none of that convinces you, the fragmentation of the market is the best example I can give. Do you know how annoying it is to find an app that you know your phone has more than enough power to run, but it won't even show up in the market because it only works on FroYo and up? IT'S THE ****ING PITS DUDE. For example there is this game that some (ex-sony I think) devs called Lame Castle that I really want to play, but it won't work on galaxy s phones without FroYo. Look it up on the market with Epic, it won't even show up. Now go on appbrain and its there clear as day. There are numerous examples of this, but this is the one that affected me that most.
So when you say that we should have know better and should not be upset, all I can say is that I hope you continue to enjoy the anal that samsung and sprint have given you so far. There's a lot more to come.
It was my first Android. It was cool at first, but just wanted FroYo and refused to get the Evo because the screen sucks and no keyboard.
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Protoroll said:
I bought the phone because of the hardware and because it was stated that 2.2 would be coming soon. I don't understand how people like you can just accept that You have the phone with the best hardware specs on the market at the moment and not be pissed that it doesn't have 2.2. While I agree that coming on xda and starting multiple threads on if FroYo is out is not the most productive way of dealing with the problem, bending over and submitting that because you paid money for the device and knew that it had 2.1 on is just a cop out.
To answer your question on what does FroYo add, here is just a few.
- What about all of the people who spent $30 to $50 on official samsung docks and can't even use it to the fullest without FroYo. IT EVEN SAYS ON DAMN PACKAGING THAT FULL FUNCTIONALITY WILL BE UNLOCKED WITH THE 2.2 UPDATE.
- What about bluetooth voice dialing, JIT, flash, and the updated google apps that come with 2.2, not to mention the speed increase. The FroYo update for the Vibrant doesn't count in this case because everyone knows that update was rushed because of the lawsuit business, and that lead to a bugged release.
And if none of that convinces you, the fragmentation of the market is the best example I can give. Do you know how annoying it is to find an app that you know your phone has more than enough power to run, but it won't even show up in the market because it only works on FroYo and up? IT'S THE ****ING PITS DUDE. For example there is this game that some (ex-sony I think) devs called Lame Castle that I really want to play, but it won't work on galaxy s phones without FroYo. Look it up on the market with Epic, it won't even show up. Now go on appbrain and its there clear as day. There are numerous examples of this, but this is the one that affected me that most.
So when you say that we should have know better and should not be upset, all I can say is that I hope you continue to enjoy the anal that samsung and sprint have given you so far. There's a lot more to come.
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I would have to say my favorite part about what you said was when you said Froyo for vibrant was rushed and has bugs. Because that could be us, we could have a rushed crappy edition of froyo. I understand that it makes it better and we can't do somthings without but if your life won't go on because you can't play some game on your phone (unless somehow you've got a job doing mobile gaming) then it might be time to look at some new hobbies or just pay your way out of contract so you can go get a phone with froyo that will make you happy as a little kid in a candy shop. But it must not be that bad if your willing to wait it out and hope one day you will wake up and see an OTA.
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you never [/rant]
Anyways android is a grey point right now as with your reference to XP you could pay to upgrade to vista/7 (driver / hardware supporting of course) where with android everything is kept under wraps so by the manufacturer until weeks or sometimes months after their "official" software is released and only then can some reverse engineer everything to get what they need to develop.
Hopefully the future of android can be like computer operating systems. Manufacturers only make drivers that way google can push out their own updates or at least give us the ability to do our own.
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you never [/rant]
Anyways android is a grey point right now as with your reference to XP you could pay to upgrade to vista/7 (driver / hardware supporting of course) where with android everything is kept under wraps so by the manufacturer until weeks or sometimes months after their "official" software is released and only then can some reverse engineer everything to get what they need to develop.
Hopefully the future of android can be like computer operating systems. Manufacturers only make drivers that way google can push out their own updates or at least give us the ability to do our own.
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You are very right as far as being able to pay for updates I was just meaning more of on a free level for that analogy, but yes very good point. And I too hope that it will someday be that easy.
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About the Vibrant, their is no excuse for that buggy release at such a late push date. The carriers have had FroYo since November and and have taken their own sweet time working on it. To add insult to injury, Every other carrier with a Galaxy S phone has pushed out FroYo since November. They even started getting 2.2.1 about two weeks ago. Even the number five carrier in the states, U.S. Cellular, has had FroYo out for its captivate out for about a month and a half now. And guess what? That update went off without a hitch. I also like how you were able to boil down my argument into the my statement about Lame Castle, which in my circles is very important because I'm going to school for that kind of thing, and Vibrant update which I would have even if I didn't have months of knowledge on the situation here and everywhere else that Galaxies are sold. You just get your phone and feel like preaching to me on how I should just take this ****. I bought this phone months ago knowing I would be with it for two years and expecting on Samsung to hold up to their statement of by the end of the year. Its a month into 2011 and still nothing. If you find your epic fine on 2.1, all power to you. But their are people with docks, people that want to make hands free calls while on the road, and people who just want full access to the market, who have all the right in the world to complain over this mess.
Note: Make multiple threads on XDA is NOT the way to go about it though people.
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About the Vibrant, their is no excuse for that buggy release at such a late push date. The carriers have had FroYo since November and and have taken their own sweet time working on it. To add insult to injury, Every other carrier with a Galaxy S phone has pushed out FroYo since November. They even started getting 2.2.1 about two weeks ago. Even the number five carrier in the states, U.S. Cellular, has had FroYo out for its captivate out for about a month and a half now. And guess what? That update went off without a hitch. I also like how you were able to boil down my argument into the my statement about Lame Castle, which in my circles is very important because I'm going to school for that kind of thing, and Vibrant update which I would have even if I didn't have months of knowledge on the situation here and everywhere else that Galaxies are sold. You just get your phone and feel like preaching to me on how I should just take this ****. I bought this phone months ago knowing I would be with it for two years and expecting on Samsung to hold up to their statement of by the end of the year. Its a month into 2011 and still nothing. If you find your epic fine on 2.1, all power to you. But their are people with docks, people that want to make hands free calls while on the road, and people who just want full access to the market, who have all the right in the world to complain over this mess.
Note: Make multiple threads on XDA is NOT the way to go about it though people.
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I never said there was an excuse for it but I do like your note, bc that was one thing I was trying to get at in my original statement is topic after topic about how we don't have 2.2. And I said earlier to a guy its not the people such as yourself that have had th phone and been expecting the update its ppl that haven't had their phone long and are starting thread after thread asking or complaining about 2.2.
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rygran87 said:
Actually, I did. Also, because of the slide out keyboard. If I wanted a phone forever stuck with Eclair, I'd have kept my Moment.
EDIT: I am not stuck on Eclair, but there are people who don't know about rooting and custom ROMs.
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You bought the phone because it was supposed to get 2.2?!
Well ladies and gents...theres one idiot...
Quis89 said:
You bought the phone because it was supposed to get 2.2?!
Well ladies and gents...theres one idiot...
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I decided to get THIS phone for the desired features AND the promise of 4G and 2.2 before the ed of the year. While you are entitled to your opinions, I certainly don't appreciate labeling and especially not when you do it from the safety of your keyboard. It just isn't called for.
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I didnt read the majority of the posts, I apologize....just want to put in my two cents and I guarantee it'll still be on topic.
People here have the right to rant. They have the right to be angry. They bought a true high end Android phone and are still on 2.1. That's not right... I have an Evo and an Epic...and the difference between 2.1 and 2.2 is really just the Flash (I'm not including what Samsung through in there based off of the leaked roms. Because some of what they through in there was just polishing up the UI and stuff). And Flash isn't really that big of a deal, its just one of those things that is nice to have. But thats beside the point. It doesnt even matter if the only thing different between 2.2 and 2.1 was a damn ringtone...a high end Android phone should be updated. If you don't update these phones, then why would someone shell out extra money to buy another high end phone that will share the same exact features as a low end phone? True the High end will be faster, but it really needs to have something to separate itself from the low end phone and that something should be the fact that it will always be supported...
And this is the problem with Android and this is what makes me sick about it. Android is great...but dammit...they need to relax on these phones and focus on the ones that are out now. They just keep on taking our money, and its going to get to the point where no phones will be updated, they will just keep releasing phones with the new update. And they know people will straight up go buy the new phone just for that update, just to realize that it aint even good. I started with the Evo before the Epic and if I wouldve went from the Epic to the Evo just for 2.2, I wouldve been pissed the hell off. 2.2 is not worth it at all...well, lemme put it like this: 2.2 by itself is not worth it. Although it aint worth it, this high end phone should still have it. If the Evo has it...the Epic should have it. The Evo will probably get Gingerbread and that'll be a damn shame...it won't benefit from it at all...
I mean, when you look at this 2.2 update from different angles, you can see why people rant and get mad. They have the right to...now if we could just put all of it into one thread that would be a lot better than multiple threads...but its w/e.
Also, does anyone else think that nothing else will top Android but Android will "destroy" itself? Android has already destroyed itself with me, if the iPhone hits Sprint, I'm jumping ship.
I've been disgusted by Samsung's lack of support of this phone or any phone they've released in the US. When the galaxy S line came out in the US, I encouraged everyone to buy them because they were such good phones. Well they were good on Eclair when they came out and didn't really fix all the problems in the extremely delayed Froyo release. I still laugh to my self when I remember asking the Sprint salesman when the Epic will get Froyo and he said "by the end of September" (I bought it September 9th). For anyone that uses the "best hardware" bs excuse I don't care. I want my phone to work not to have the "best hardware". The keyboard still doesn't work properly and that's the only reason I bought this stupid phone. Anyway, I was looking at this androidcentral article about fragmentation and I noticed something interesting; Samsung has only updated ONE phone to gingerbread in the US. Just one phone on one carrier, the Droid Charge. The other Samsung phones on gingerbread are the ones that launched with it. I would never in my life buy another Samsung phone but unfortunately the Nexus Prime is made by Samsung so they'll have to get my money again. I'm definitely buying the Prime next month and either smashing this epic piece of s**t to pieces with a hammer or donating it to a developer. Probably the latter since I've been dying to have a fully functional cm7 build for months.
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http://www.androidcentral.com/dear-molly-rants-lets-talk-about-android-fragmentation
They are bad... The worst IMO. Its all because of the "UI's they put on. But if the prime comes to sprint i will be buying it. I assume the prime will NOT have touchwiz. But we will see, I at lease hope because it does not have a keyboard it should have CM7 soon.
Samsung is known for its prominent hardware manufacture ability.
If they had deep software capability, they would've not use android to sell their phones.
They're strategy is to own other handset manufacturers with superior hardware qualities like SAMOLED, curved screen, thinness, etc..
After they sell their product to customers, they just do enough support to prevent a riot.
So for the software updates, you can't expect from Samsung. It is waste of money for their view. Just make the next one with Gingerbread or ICS and sell 'em.
Want proof? Search for Omnia 2 that was sold as "iPhone killer" in Korea. It had Winmo 6.5 on it. People had to be stuck with it for two years, and by that time even Microsoft dropped Winmo and got Windows 7. If you search in youtube, you can see people video hitting the Omnia 2 with hammer.
Moral of the story? Don't expect awesome software supports from Samsung.
Get nexus.
They are definitely becoming better. The Omnia thing is a pretty bad example (Samsung didn't say the device was an iPhone killer, it had Windows Mobile on it (an OS by Microsoft which wasn't very elegant and Microsoft didn't bring updates very often, in fact 6.5 was the latest version and Microsoft killed it, what could Samsung have done about it? An update to the completely different WP7 years later was practically impossible and never promised by anyone). Plus, it is an old example, things can change totally in the smartphone world in some months. SGS1 users -especially in the US- had to wait extraordinarily long for Gingerbread but it feels like the whole thing has become better (rather subjective but also visible in terms of the SGS2).
In the end most over the average users didn't know that Gingerbread existed and didn't miss much, the Galaxy S1 was certainly no bad phone, hardware- and softwarewise. And all those Geeks who are longing for every little update and who read and post here in the forums are probably more happy if they just install another ROM.
First off Samsung makes the Nexus. 2nd off Samsung is great with updates....if you don't have a US carrier or Touchwiz. European Galaxy S phones have had Gingerbread for 6 months. Nexus gets very timely updates. To judge a company on 1 out of the thousands of products they make is being very single-minded. All the major US carriers Galaxy S line have not been updated. When we didn't get Froyo for 6 months Sprint blamed Samsung and Samsung blamed Sprint. This phone was the 1st Galaxy S to get Froyo then they took it back and T-mobile got theirs then Sprint. So obviously there are issues when dealing with Touchwiz, FCC hardware restrictions and the carriers. For all we know Sprint is holding onto the OTA because they are having equipment maintenance issues across the country an want to wait until they are fully operational. The 99% of Epic owners are oblivious to what Gingerbread even is so Sprint figures it can wait a few weeks.
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First off Samsung makes the Nexus. 2nd off Samsung is great with updates....if you don't have a US carrier or Touchwiz. European Galaxy S phones have had Gingerbread for 6 months. Nexus gets very timely updates. To judge a company on 1 out of the thousands of products they make is being very single-minded. All the major US carriers Galaxy S line have not been updated. When we didn't get Froyo for 6 months Sprint blamed Samsung and Samsung blamed Sprint. This phone was the 1st Galaxy S to get Froyo then they took it back and T-mobile got theirs then Sprint. So obviously there are issues when dealing with Touchwiz, FCC hardware restrictions and the carriers. For all we know Sprint is holding onto the OTA because they are having equipment maintenance issues across the country an want to wait until they are fully operational. The 99% of Epic owners are oblivious to what Gingerbread even is so Sprint figures it can wait a few weeks.
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All excuses, if other manufacturers like HTC and Motorola can push gingerbread updates in a timely manner then Samsung should be able to as well. I'm not judging them on one product, I'm basing my argument on every phone they released in the US. I know Samsung makes the Nexus S and the Nexus Prime... I clearly stated that in the OP. Clearly you have trouble reading and/or comprehending written statements.
What makes it even more pathetic on their part is that they've had a phone with gingerbread on it with essentially the same hardware as the other galaxy S phones for almost 10 months and still nothing. Just ****ty leaks with tons of things not working. I know the international version has had it for a while and it's been working out well for them but why such a delay with the US market? It's a huge market when it comes to mobile and they've sold millions of handsets here. They clearly could care less about what happens in the US which is why I'm always perplexed when people drool over new Samsung phones. I can't help but laugh when I hear ZOMG EXYNOS DUAL CORE, IT CAN RUN THE INTERNET! Too bad all that processing power won't save you from ****ty programming and no updates.
Okay okay no need to take things personally.
We all are dissatisfied customers.
About Samsung's omnia 2 reference, I am pointing out that Samsung only focuses on delivering phones with high specs on paper. it is quite obvious that Winmo 6.x was crap and having it on the flagship phone at the time is like shooting yourself on the foot. Indeed nobody promised upgrade from winmo 6.x, however it's their arrogance/ignorance that gets me. They are like "we can make phone with better cpu+scree+build quality, so we are better". This approach worked for them 5~10 years ago, but not anymore. At this time of age, I want real quality product that can bring quality experience. That means hardware alone can't cut it.
It's a fact that Samsung does provide quality hardware. However, they certainly are poor at anything software. In fact they don't have any quality software to show because they don't. Touchwiz is not even a standalone OS, its just a skin/theme.
So how do Samsung try to compete with phones like iPhone? Take the idea, slap better cpu/gpu on it and stamping out phones like a crazy factory, with their massive hardware manufacturing capability. How many samsung phones we have now? And how many of them actually beat iPhones?
Galaxy S2 is very close but it is safe to say that none of them are as optimized as iPhone.
I just don't like their business style of just producing phones with highest and newest technology on it but don't care about fine tuning and optimizing the whole system.
Look at Epic 4G. It had so much capability with keyboard, good front facing camera, Wimax 4G, awesome 1ghz hummingbird cpu. But in fact they are all good on paper, but in real life experience, they fail to utilized completely.
What's good if I have the keyboard if it ignores key inputs. What's good to have ffc if like apps such as Skype don't support it (now it does, but man.. after like 10 months of ownership...?). What's good with all the cpu if the OS is not optimized and I have to install custom roms/patches to get the phone to be snappy.
The point is... Samsung can't deliver iphone killer alone.
Buy nexus, because it is combination of samsung's hardware capability with Google's software capability.
A person that takes to insults clearly has nothing intelligent to say.
FYI if you read your own thread I was responding to post 3 that said don't expect awesome updates from Samsung, get Nexus. Now who can't read or comprehend?
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A person that takes to insults clearly has nothing intelligent to say.
FYI if you read your own thread I was responding to post 3 that said don't expect awesome updates from Samsung, get Nexus. Now who can't read or comprehend?
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In case you were unaware nexus phones software updates come from google not the manufacturer.. Be it htc or samsung... So yes if you are unhappy about sammy updating the software a nexus phone is a viable alternative... Do your homework before you insult...
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Thank you. Wish more people were polite and helpful here.
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First off Samsung makes the Nexus. 2nd off Samsung is great with updates....if you don't have a US carrier or Touchwiz. European Galaxy S phones have had Gingerbread for 6 months. Nexus gets very timely updates. To judge a company on 1 out of the thousands of products they make is being very single-minded. All the major US carriers Galaxy S line have not been updated.
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Umm, this is America. We're on American carrier(s). We spend American money on this crap. Most of us ARE in fact American (or at least legal residents I would hope). In fact, after a few more beers I may even argue that supporting a foreign company's actions in this case is treason and punishable by being hanged.
Based on the above paragraph, I think we're well within our rights to judge Samsung on their American product support - which is basically non existent. Of the 3 Samsung phones I've ever owned, the only one worth a **** is the Captivate and that's only because it has fully working CM7. I won't waste anyone's time going into detail on my Epic gripes, and we all know (and probably furiously hate) the Moment.
But to diversify (and/or digress) just for a moment. I've had 2 Samsung DVD players that were complete crap and were returned. They were replaced with LG's that I am pretty impressed with. Also, my Samsung fridge makes me want to bash puppies every time I use the water dispenser.
OK, then why keep supporting them? Stop buying Samsung dude! I was just trying to note that there is more to it then just Samsung not updating the Galaxy S phones in the US. By all the RDFs it certainly isn't for lack of trying. Since the same thing happened on froyo, what really slows it down? Touchwiz? FCC hardware regs? They hate the US because Apple is based here? What really is the hold up? What is the real reason Europe gets it first?
Oh, I will stop supporting them. Epic 4g will be my last phone from Samsung.
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Oh, I will stop supporting them. Epic 4g will be my last phone from Samsung.
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OK. Out of curiosity which manufacturer will you try next? I also am not thrilled with supporting Samsung. I just don't think they are totally at fault. HTC rushes out updates that don't work and some claim make the phones unuseable. So are you thinking LG or Motorola?
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Oh, I will stop supporting them. Epic 4g will be my last phone from Samsung.
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Nexus Prime > all
And Nexus Legendary might be next Oo
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OK, then why keep supporting them? Stop buying Samsung dude! I was just trying to note that there is more to it then just Samsung not updating the Galaxy S phones in the US. By all the RDFs it certainly isn't for lack of trying. Since the same thing happened on froyo, what really slows it down? Touchwiz? FCC hardware regs? They hate the US because Apple is based here? What really is the hold up? What is the real reason Europe gets it first?
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We'll never know what the hold up is... For all we know they killed Jobs too.
And no, I no longer support them. Going back to your earlier point, I try not to judge them based on one product. The DVD players were crap, so they were returned. The fridge worked great for the 1st year or so before I started having problems with it (and if you think their mobile devices tech support is bad, try large appliances!). On the phones, the Moment I thought was a fluke of a bad phone, but it turned into a support nightmare. At least Sprint credited me back on that one. I thought the Epic would be a big improvement. While there was significant improvement on their part, they still suck IMHO.
In the grand scheme of things I own a HUGE amount of high tech devices. The amount of "support" I've shown Samsung with the 6 products I have bought (and 3 I've actually kept) is roughly equal to a pint of piss in the ocean. I won't write off a company based on 1 bad experience - I believe in 3 strikes and you're out and the Epic was #3.
At the end of the day, the only Samsung product I've bought and actually like is the Captivate. Ironically it's the only Samsung device I bought second hand (and behind a liquor store in a shady part of town at that).
While I'm thinking about it. I had a Philips Plasma TV which is now in pieces in my basement. About 95% of it's internals are Samsung manufactured and that thing was a steaming pile of baby ****. I now have 2 Panasonic TV's that I absolutely love.
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kennyglass123 said:
OK. Out of curiosity which manufacturer will you try next? I also am not thrilled with supporting Samsung. I just don't think they are totally at fault. HTC rushes out updates that don't work and some claim make the phones unuseable. So are you thinking LG or Motorola?
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Motorola for me. They may not have the fanciest screens but some close and quite technical friends of mine have the Droid 2, Droid X and their kids have Droid 3's. Yes, my SAMOLED's blow the Moto's screen away, but their phones have been quite reliable.
Also, I've been a fan of Motorola for a looooong time. My Nextel's took a brutal beating on a daily basis. I have no idea why my Razr's took all their abuse and survived. The radio's I installed in taxi cabs back in the early to mid 90's were not only rugged as all hell, but fairly high tech for their time in how they handled channel hopping and things. In my decade or so in cable we used TONS (literally tons) of their equipment and it always proved to be reliable. Not to mention the Motorola radio's that went to the battlefields and into space. That company knows how to build a damn fine RF device. I should have never strayed away from them.
Point taken. Funny thing was I bought a Samsung bluetooth headset. The ear hook snapped in half within 90 days and Samsung told me that is not included in the warranty and wanted to sell me a ear hook for $6. I told them to go screw themselves and would never buy another Samsung product. Then the Epic came out...LOL.
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Point taken. Funny thing was I bought a Samsung bluetooth headset. The ear hook snapped in half within 90 days and Samsung told me that is not included in the warranty and wanted to sell me a ear hook for $6. I told them to go screw themselves and would never buy another Samsung product. Then the Epic came out...LOL.
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Figures, the only movable part is not covered? Douchenozzles....
FWIW, I've always been happy with Plantronics devices. I have 2 of their BT earpieces for my mobile phones and use their CS50 series on my Avaya and Cisco endpoints.
kennyglass123 said:
OK. Out of curiosity which manufacturer will you try next? I also am not thrilled with supporting Samsung. I just don't think they are totally at fault. HTC rushes out updates that don't work and some claim make the phones unuseable. So are you thinking LG or Motorola?
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If the google merger goes through, I would go with Motorola.
The thing that pissed me off was it sounded like it happened all the time. Got a package of 3 ear hooks for $6 from ebay instead of giving it to them for 1. But yeah, heard Plantonics makes good bluetooths.
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