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Lte requires sim cards right? So hopefully after sprint makes the upgrade to lte, we'll be able to buy sprint phones and use a sim card from any of the big 4! Dream come true in america, emirite?
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Sorry, meant we can buy any lte phone unlocked*
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That's what I heard. And supposedly it's not the micro ones either.

A_Flying_Fox said:
Lte requires sim cards right? So hopefully after sprint makes the upgrade to lte, we'll be able to buy sprint phones and use a sim card from any of the big 4! Dream come true in america, emirite?
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Not really...AT&T and Verizon are both going FDD-LTE on the 700mhz band...Sprint will get TD-LTE on the 2.5ghz~ range....
T-Mobile is going on their own HSPA/LTE hybrid variant...
So while Verizon and AT&T phones might be interchangeable (assuming they dont lock them say via some other method)..Sprint and T-Mobile will not be part of that...

gTen said:
Not really...AT&T and Verizon are both going FDD-LTE on the 700mhz band...Sprint will get TD-LTE on the 2.5ghz~ range....
T-Mobile is going on their own HSPA/LTE hybrid variant...
So while Verizon and AT&T phones might be interchangeable (assuming they dont lock them say via some other method)..Sprint and T-Mobile will not be part of that...
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.......my heart.
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gTen said:
Not really...AT&T and Verizon are both going FDD-LTE on the 700mhz band...Sprint will get TD-LTE on the 2.5ghz~ range....
T-Mobile is going on their own HSPA/LTE hybrid variant...
So while Verizon and AT&T phones might be interchangeable (assuming they dont lock them say via some other method)..Sprint and T-Mobile will not be part of that...
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So which one would be better?

musclehead84 said:
So which one would be better?
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Better in terms of?

musclehead84 said:
So which one would be better?
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Verizons lte is on par with wimax so i assume that sprints would be better when they get it
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And higher spectrum means better building penetration, right?
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A_Flying_Fox said:
.......my heart.
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Well its not impossible for a device to support both TD-LTE and FD-LTE on a single chipset..but we would then have to buy international phones..cause knowing carriers they either won't include those bands or lock them :/
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And higher spectrum means better building penetration, right?
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700mhz is better building penetration over 2.5ghz..BUT how TD-LTE is allows carriers to use more spectrum...right now AT&T and Verizon plan to run it in 20mhz worth of spectrum each..realistically speaking that would constrain quantity of users/amount of data...(hence the tiered data)
Sprint right now though is running wimax in 10mhz of spectrum though..and could run it in 30mhz if they please..
So realistically speaking its easier to run TD-LTE as more spectrum is available in comparison to FD-LTE running at the limited 700mhz spectrum..while 700mhz spectrum though will offer betetr building penetration/signal

gTen said:
Well its not impossible for a device to support both TD-LTE and FD-LTE on a single chipset..but we would then have to buy international phones..cause knowing carriers they either won't include those bands or lock them :/
700mhz is better building penetration over 2.5ghz..BUT how TD-LTE is allows carriers to use more spectrum...right now AT&T and Verizon plan to run it in 20mhz worth of spectrum each..realistically speaking that would constrain quantity of users/amount of data...(hence the tiered data)
Sprint right now though is running wimax in 10mhz of spectrum though..and could run it in 30mhz if they please..
So realistically speaking its easier to run TD-LTE as more spectrum is available in comparison to FD-LTE running at the limited 700mhz spectrum..while 700mhz spectrum though will offer betetr building penetration/signal
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So its basically the 3g story again lol sprint has the better and same constant speeds no matter the load, but the signal won't be as strong lol. I can deal with that
And buyingunlocked international phones isn't bad...my friend only uses unlocked ones and they always have extra features compared to a branded one... and all he would have to do to activate it was slide his sim card in it. I hate how att/tmo users can effectively use any phone they want...I want this freedom with sprint/verizon
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A_Flying_Fox said:
So its basically the 3g story again lol sprint has the better and same constant speeds no matter the load, but the signal won't be as strong lol. I can deal with that
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Sprint's LTE will act like the current Wimax implementation because it'll be running at 2.5ghz. We all know how spotty it is, especially when indoors.
Verizon and AT&T, at 700mhz will act their current 3G service because it's very close to 800mhz. They'll probably have an easier time getting better coverage because they know the 800mhz frequency.
Personally, I'd rather be at 700mhz for LTE, at 2.5ghz, you lose to much coverage and I'm sure Verizon already has the limited bandwidth figure out. If they didn't they could be throwing billions of dollars down the tube.
I can't wait for Verizon handsets to hit the market. My Sprint contract just expired so I'm looking to jump ship.

A_Flying_Fox said:
So its basically the 3g story again lol sprint has the better and same constant speeds no matter the load, but the signal won't be as strong lol. I can deal with that
And buyingunlocked international phones isn't bad...my friend only uses unlocked ones and they always have extra features compared to a branded one... and all he would have to do to activate it was slide his sim card in it. I hate how att/tmo users can effectively use any phone they want...I want this freedom with sprint/verizon
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Well yes and no..thing is most international phones dont have the AT&T 3g band and don't have AWS (most common t-mobile 3g band) on same band as T-Mobile
crabjoe said:
Sprint's LTE will act like the current Wimax implementation because it'll be running at 2.5ghz. We all know how spotty it is, especially when indoors.
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As I said its spotty because right now..
1) sprint is using only 10mhz of spectrum...
2) They are doing minimum deployments..aka the need mroe towers but being cheap...
Verizon and AT&T, at 700mhz will act their current 3G service because it's very close to 800mhz. They'll probably have an easier time getting better coverage because they know the 800mhz frequency.
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um..what?!?!
Personally, I'd rather be at 700mhz for LTE, at 2.5ghz, you lose to much coverage and I'm sure Verizon already has the limited bandwidth figure out. If they didn't they could be throwing billions of dollars down the tube.
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Yes its called Tiered Data plans...not fun...

Anyway, wouldn't the first crop of Verizon LTE phones still rely on 1x for voice and 3G EVDO/LTE for data?
So basically we're going to have a scenario where a Verizon LTE phone would be something like this CDMA 2000 1x/1900mhz EVDO/700mhz LTE,
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an ATT LTE phone might be like Quad band GSM/GPRS/EDGE/UMTS 1900 (HSPA?)/700mhz LTE?

My 2 cents vzw & att are double what we pay for a premium phone service on sprint and not unlimited anything also have bad coverage. They nickel & dime the crap out of you on top of it. Also wimax has voice calling capabilities not just data. Lte for some reason can only do data. So maybe some new features with voice calling with wimax.
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jbadboy2007 said:
My 2 cents vzw & att are double what we pay for a premium phone service on sprint and not unlimited anything also have bad coverage. They nickel & dime the crap out of you on top of it. Also wimax has voice calling capabilities not just data. Lte for some reason can only do data. So maybe some new features with voice calling with wimax.
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Wimax for voice calling? I find that scary. In its current iteration its flaky enough just for data. I shudder to think how crappy voice calling would be on it. They seriously need to build it out a ton more. I walk in my house signal disappears....not encouraging.

LordLugard said:
Wimax for voice calling? I find that scary. In its current iteration its flaky enough just for data. I shudder to think how crappy voice calling would be on it. They seriously need to build it out a ton more. I walk in my house signal disappears....not encouraging.
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At least you are lucky enough to have coverage...

Wimax doesnt do voice.....on the other hand, att and tmo 3g is voice/data
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Yes, the specifications for Voice over LTE have not been finished yet.
LordLugard said:
Wimax for voice calling? I find that scary. In its current iteration its flaky enough just for data. I shudder to think how crappy voice calling would be on it. They seriously need to build it out a ton more. I walk in my house signal disappears....not encouraging.
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Sprint is working on making a seamless radio..aka unlike now where you need to enable/disable 4g it would work in a way that even if 4g is disconnected your session would not be interrupted...same for calls..

LTE doesn't require a SIM card...Verizon is CDMA

HSPA+ Whats the deal?!

http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/12/samsung-galaxy-s-2-and-10-1-inch-honeycomb-tablet-leaked-on-kore/
Alright as seen above is the Galaxy S2, Mkkkkkk thats great and all but because it has HSPA+ does that mean it can be on T-Mobile only I get confused by this and think "God dammit the antenna cant be run on Sprint, there is no way we are getting that phone now" This happened with the Pre 3 too, I just need some further insight into what that spec means and how it affects which provider the phone is going too.
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Blitzpwnage said:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/12/samsung-galaxy-s-2-and-10-1-inch-honeycomb-tablet-leaked-on-kore/
Alright as seen above is the Galaxy S2, Mkkkkkk thats great and all but because it has HSPA+ does that mean it can be on T-Mobile only I get confused by this and think "God dammit the antenna cant be run on Sprint, there is no way we are getting that phone now" This happened with the Pre 3 too, I just need some further insight into what that spec means and how it affects which provider the phone is going too.
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Blitz
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you sir would be correct, that will not work on a sprint network.

Blitzpwnage said:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/12/samsung-galaxy-s-2-and-10-1-inch-honeycomb-tablet-leaked-on-kore/
Alright as seen above is the Galaxy S2, Mkkkkkk thats great and all but because it has HSPA+ does that mean it can be on T-Mobile only I get confused by this and think "God dammit the antenna cant be run on Sprint, there is no way we are getting that phone now" This happened with the Pre 3 too, I just need some further insight into what that spec means and how it affects which provider the phone is going too.
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Blitz
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HSPA+ is run on GSM networks NOT CDMA which is what sprint and Verizon use. Hence the different stuff on each network ex. EVDO, and HSPA

I think at&t also is going to be using hspa+

swaze said:
you sir would be correct, that will not work on a sprint network.
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Yes, but keep in mind that leak is coming from Korea and it's going to be at MWC so it's no surprise that it only mentions a GSM / HSPA+ version. Nothing says that there wont be a CDMA / LTE / Wimax version for Sprint / Verizon.
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HSPA+ is what the GSM carriers are doing for 4G right now. I think ATT is going to do LTE, T-mobile doesn't plan on it...I just switched back to sprint from t-mobile and the speed difference is ridiculous. Even on 4G, I am getting half the data speeds that I did with t-mobile HSDPA. Definitely not what I expected.

When the original Galaxy S was announced, it was GSM only as well but variants came out for all the carriers. I wouldn't buy anything from Samsung though, regardless of how appealing it seems.

*sigh*
HSPA+ = GSM = AT&T, T-Mobile, and 99% of all carriers in Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia, and South America.

drmacinyasha said:
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HSPA+ = GSM = AT&T, T-Mobile, and 99% of all carriers in Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia, and South America.
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Wow, this is such a misleading comment. Europe uses gsm exclusively but the rest of the world mostly uses cdma. Don't sigh about it. But please don't lie about it.

cdszoke said:
Wow, this is such a misleading comment. Europe uses gsm exclusively but the rest of the world mostly uses cdma. Don't sigh about it. But please don't lie about it.
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Um, actually most of the world uses GSM, which is why gsm phones are commonly referred to as "world phones"
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No, phones that are gsm AND CDMA are referred to as world phones typically.
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liquidtenmillion said:
No, phones that are gsm AND CDMA are referred to as world phones typically.
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Actually, the term pre-dates combo GSM/CDMA devices and was used to refer to GSM phones since GSM networks were the predominate cell technology outside of the US (and still are).
Oh, and to the OP, HSPA+ is being marketed as "4G" currently by AT&T alongside their yet-to-be-launched LTE network. Talk about confusing You may find that with a little bit of effort,( or none at all) HSPA+ equipped devices will bet interchangeable between T-mobile and AT&T. There are also rumours that some LTE-equipped devices will be able to swap between Verizon and AT&T.

Yep..me too. Actually breaking my contract (less than a year in because of Sprints abysmal speed) as soon as Infuse, or Galaxy 2 etc break.

Can't wait for the infuse 4g .... 4.5 in screeen wow

cdszoke said:
Wow, this is such a misleading comment. Europe uses gsm exclusively but the rest of the world mostly uses cdma. Don't sigh about it. But please don't lie about it.
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I lived in Cambodia for five years and travelled between often to Thailand and other countries. They all use GSM...

I'm breaking contract with T-mobile. I had a G1, loved it. Got a Vibrant, it was a nightmare trying to get it to work correctly, although I can't lie, I still enjoyed having it. Got a Nexus S, too many problems, returned it. Got a MT4G, nice phone, runs smoothly, but the screen was too small and the phone itself is a bit on the ugly side.
The real determing factor for me was that Sprint has 4G in my area, all of the other providers have 3G, and T-mobile is still running on Edge. I'm within my 30 day trial period w/ Sprint and the Evo, and I'll see how it goes. I was really hoping on going w/ Verizon and the HTC Thunderbolt, but alas, it's still up-in-the-air when it will come out. Verizon is more expensive as well when it comes to data plans. And as far as the MT4G, although CM7 runs very well on it, and it is very stable, I still can't bring myself to buying a 4G phone from a company that only offers Edge in my area (supposedly the military base near here is using their 3G towers to link to Afghanistan, but that's their problem, not mine)

gessin64 said:
Can't wait for the infuse 4g .... 4.5 in screeen wow
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Do yourself a favor... don't buy a Samsung device. They make good screens, I'll admit. But you'll be waiting for updates forever, and somebody won't release the code... just look at the Vibrant threads... they haven't even gotten CM6, let alone CM7.

cdszoke said:
Wow, this is such a misleading comment. Europe uses gsm exclusively but the rest of the world mostly uses cdma. Don't sigh about it. But please don't lie about it.
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You're an idiot. The only places outside of North America that CDMA are used are sporadically in China, a carrier or two in Japan, here and there in the rest of Asia, and that's about it.
"World phones" are AT&T (since they use different frequencies than the rest of the world's GSM networks except for... Telstra in Australia?), Verizon, and Sprint phones which have extra radios that support the standard quad-band networks. That's why there's two models of the Nexus One: A T-Mobile/World model, and the AT&T model.

The future of mobile is going to be in wifi not cellular. Hspa+ is TM's trial run at nailing down seemless transfer from 4G to wifi for data and voice calls. Assuming there are not many stumbling blocks, their future (and any other wireless companies that dont want to be left behind) will be into switching to running purely off wifi towers.

Anyone interested in the G2X ??

This may be my next phone now that T-mo has confirmed it will be a stock experience here: http://androidandme.com/2011/03/pho...-as-first-dual-core-phone-with-stock-android/
Honestly though I'm a little fearful of going with LG, just because I've never used their phones.
Been using HTC for about 2 years now. It's between this and the upcoming Pyramid.
What do you think?
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when first switching to tmobile i bought my gf an optimus t before getting her the g2, i have to say it was one of my more delightful android experiences ive had, unlocked bootloader, fastboot enabled by default, source code is up (and teh real source code not some samsung give only enough to be gpl compliant crap) the day phones are released. the build quality was decent and i enjoyed it. i think the g2x is a good start for them to enter the high end devices, with there not truly being any recent phone releases on tmobile it will mean a lot of devs might snag one up.

Yeah I think it'll most likely get as much support as the G2 has eventually.
As long as the bootloader get's unlocked.
Others have complained about it being released with Froyo.
But, I don't care what version it's released with, just that it's bootloader can be unlocked for CWM and later CM builds.
I stopped caring about manufacturer OS releases a long time ago.
Unless you have a Nexus phone, it's usually not as good as CM anyway.

Nah...gonna try to waive etf when the merger hits and go to vzw. I'm not going back to att.
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Waiting to hear about battery life with dual core.
Don't care much for the fake chrome look around the outside. Kinda a MyTouch4G look, not really a G-series look.

http://bit.ly/fWEACn
The g2x should still work after all this merger stuff is done and from what I understand if you don't change your plan or anything it should be grandfatherd in to maybe not a bad choice
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First timing posting mainly just searching forums and try ROMs...
anyways I'm very interested in the G2X will most likely get one even though I'm weary about the merger much like a lot of people. I did read that the G2x is going to ship with T-mobile HSPA+ capability (duh) and AT&T HSPA+ capability, so it shouldn't turn into a useless phone once the merger happens.
I can't post links unfortunately but if you go to intomobile.com it is one of the first articles under android.

I also read the G2x will ship with att and tmobile bands.. so seein as att most likely, hopefully fcc stops it, ill be movin to att sadly. Ugh, I work for them and hate them.. so sad. but if it works for ATT sounds be good thou. ATT is gettin there own versions of it thou.. and usually price android phones pretty cheap since then lick apples nuts on the daily..
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zaelia said:
http://bit.ly/fWEACn
The g2x should still work after all this merger stuff is done and from what I understand if you don't change your plan or anything it should be grandfatherd in to maybe not a bad choice
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AT&T runs 3G on 1900 mhz though, so unless the G2X runs on 850/1900 3G, then you won't get 3G. If its made for T-Mobile, it will only have 850/1700/2100 (1700/2100 being T-Mo's 3G/4G bands).
The only big manufacturer making these types of radio is Nokia, who makes Penta-band radios which basically hit every mhz spectrum around the world.

When I worked for verizon, when the htc ppc6700 was out (that long ago) the dumbphones with music players were the rage ie the chocolate and the moto q. Yes I consider the moto q a dumbphone because it was a pile of ****. I sold the hell out of certain lg phones like the 8300, and I owned 2 8300 for a reason. It was simply a kick ass phone for its time.
Lg quality seems to be good on cdma. Gsm I'm not sure tho. I was so satisified with lg at the time I would say 50% of my sales were lg devices at the time.
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martonikaj said:
AT&T runs 3G on 1900 mhz though, so unless the G2X runs on 850/1900 3G, then you won't get 3G. If its made for T-Mobile, it will only have 850/1700/2100 (1700/2100 being T-Mo's 3G/4G bands).
The only big manufacturer making these types of radio is Nokia, who makes Penta-band radios which basically hit every mhz spectrum around the world.
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I can't post the article but the G2X will have AWS Band IV/ 2100 / 1900 / 850
"the G2x looks to support AT&T’s HSPA+ bands, 1900 and 850". (intomobile.com)

martonikaj said:
AT&T runs 3G on 1900 mhz though, so unless the G2X runs on 850/1900 3G, then you won't get 3G. If its made for T-Mobile, it will only have 850/1700/2100 (1700/2100 being T-Mo's 3G/4G bands).
The only big manufacturer making these types of radio is Nokia, who makes Penta-band radios which basically hit every mhz spectrum around the world.
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It has at&t hspa+ bands and t mobile hspa+ bands.
http://androidandme.com/2011/03/car...ture-proofing-their-new-phones-to-run-on-att/
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This phone is QUADBAND so it will work perfectly with ATT
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/22/t-mobile-g2x-from-lg-hands-on-video/
Update: It turns out the "4G" radio in the G2x is quadband (2100 / 1900 / 1700 / 850MHz) but strangely, it's limited to 14.4Mbps downlink speeds. Apparently, this also applies to the T-Mobile G-Slate. We're reaching out to T-Mobile to check if the G2x radio is HSPA+ or merely just HSPA.

TrueYears said:
This phone is QUADBAND so it will work perfectly with ATT
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/22/t-mobile-g2x-from-lg-hands-on-video/
Update: It turns out the "4G" radio in the G2x is quadband (2100 / 1900 / 1700 / 850MHz) but strangely, it's limited to 14.4Mbps downlink speeds. Apparently, this also applies to the T-Mobile G-Slate. We're reaching out to T-Mobile to check if the G2x radio is HSPA+ or merely just HSPA.
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Sorry about that. The first linked story said that it would only be compatible with 1900, which would've meant you won't get UMTS in some areas on AT&T.
I wonder if this is a conscious decision by LG to make sure the phones don't get thrown out in a year.

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Sorry about that. The first linked story said that it would only be compatible with 1900, which would've meant you won't get UMTS in some areas on AT&T.
I wonder if this is a conscious decision by LG to make sure the phones don't get thrown out in a year.
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I'm sure. Its a smart decision.
The one thing I will really miss about T-mo is how cool they are about releasing phones. No telco has given Android love like T-mo. The G2x is another great example.
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As soon as the bootloader gets unlocked I will definitely jump to the next best the G-series has to offer

Looks like a nice device but personally if it doesn't have a hard keyboard, its not for me. I've tried the touchscreen deal but with how much I text and email on the go, I can't live without a keyboard.
Gonna be sticking with the DZ for while. Won't likely get a new device until I get a new service provider... Considering Sprint with the looming merger between ATT and TMobile. Verizon is just too pricey.

S%!*!! I just slapped down 400+ clams to purchase the G2, then I hear this? WTF!
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gbarayah said:
Looks like a nice device but personally if it doesn't have a hard keyboard, its not for me. I've tried the touchscreen deal but with how much I text and email on the go, I can't live without a keyboard.
Gonna be sticking with the DZ for while. Won't likely get a new device until I get a new service provider... Considering Sprint with the looming merger between ATT and TMobile. Verizon is just too pricey.
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I agree. but try this.... If the screen is 4 inch or 4.3 it actually is not too bad to type on anything smaller it can be troublesome. The mt4g actually is bare min size to type on in portrait but 4in or bigger is actually not too bad so dont totally rule it out of a hardware keyboard is not a feature available later on.
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I will consider getting one to compliment or replace my G2 depending on the build quality. The hard keyboard is not a necessity for me and I really like the 4 inch screen size, tegra 2, and stock Android.
Also, I work for T-mobile and the optimus t has been a solid Android phone with very few issues or complaints. It is an entry level handset but very solid. It will be nice to see what LG does with a high end device.

SGS II at 1.4GHz available in Sept.

Sammy will release SGS II at 1.4GHz this September to battle against iPhone 5.
http://www.t3.com/news/samsung-to-upgrade-galaxy-s-ii-to-counter-apples-iphone-5?=57923

Looks good but I think it's a little iffy to assume that TMobile will offer the SGSII for sale in the US. Indeed, while I really like the SGSII and the development community which supports the Samsung devices I'm unlikely to purchase a new phone for use on TMobile until I see which way the AT&T merger goes. I suspect other TMobile subscribers feel the same way I do and will be jumping ship if AT&T/TMobile merge...

Hopefully they will include Hercules in this update.
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What pisses me off the most is that I can't even buy the phone from overseas and use it with T-MoFo and get 3G. I was planning to get the SGS-II, and now the upgraded version comes with no hope that T-mobile will get any of them.

طوني تبولة said:
What pisses me off the most is that I can't even buy the phone from overseas and use it with T-MoFo and get 3G. I was planning to get the SGS-II, and now the upgraded version comes with no hope that T-mobile will get any of them.
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Overseas phones are usually unlocked so you can use it with any providers. Not sure why you wouldn't be able to use it with T-Mobile.
SGS II specs are impressive but I don't like the physical Home button, looks too much like iPhone that's why they are being sued among other things. I like the way Vibrant buttons are.
Vibrant on Project-V + Bali X 1.1

I'm waiting for the Nexus 3
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T-Mobile T989 (Hercules???)
Sammy T989 just passed BT & Wi-Fi certification. This could be T-Mobile version of SGS II.
http://www.tmonews.com/2011/06/samsung-t989-receives-bluetooth-wi-fi-approval-is-this-the-samsung-hercules/
Looks like September will be a HOT month!!!
Vibrant on Project-V + Bali-X 1.1

se7en10 said:
Overseas phones are usually unlocked so you can use it with any providers. Not sure why you wouldn't be able to use it with T-Mobile.
SGS II specs are impressive but I don't like the physical Home button, looks too much like iPhone that's why they are being sued among other things. I like the way Vibrant buttons are.
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yeah, they are unlocked, so you can use a tmob sim, but they don't use tmob's hspa/hspa+ bands. so it's akin to using an iphone on tmob: edge only.

ronin4740 said:
Looks good but I think it's a little iffy to assume that TMobile will offer the SGSII for sale in the US. Indeed, while I really like the SGSII and the development community which supports the Samsung devices I'm unlikely to purchase a new phone for use on TMobile until I see which way the AT&T merger goes. I suspect other TMobile subscribers feel the same way I do and will be jumping ship if AT&T/TMobile merge...
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Honestly I'm beginning to think T-Mobile is *determined* to offer substandard versions. Such as the Sensation getting less memory than the EVO 3D.. Why no true "WOW FACTOR" phones, just middle of the road dreck from TMO? Or back in the day when the rest of the world get the HTC Magic and TMO got the Sapphire, a Magic with less memory.... So... I doubt we'll see it on TMO also. But it will be a nice phone for those who can get/use it!

funeralthirst said:
yeah, they are unlocked, so you can use a tmob sim, but they don't use tmob's hspa/hspa+ bands. so it's akin to using an iphone on tmob: edge only.
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Uhm, I think you're wrong. World phones have all 4 bands, where as AT&T and T-Mobile only have 3 bands. The bands are 850/900/1800/1900, so even if you're missing one it's still possible to use the phone hence the ROAMING feature. I have a Vibrant and have use SIM's (for calls & 3G+) from many countries as I travel through them.
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lotherius said:
Honestly I'm beginning to think T-Mobile is *determined* to offer substandard versions. Such as the Sensation getting less memory than the EVO 3D.. Why no true "WOW FACTOR" phones, just middle of the road dreck from TMO? Or back in the day when the rest of the world get the HTC Magic and TMO got the Sapphire, a Magic with less memory.... So... I doubt we'll see it on TMO also. But it will be a nice phone for those who can get/use it!
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Some people on verizon complain that they don't have a dual core device until now, they are suspecting that it may be due to the droid lines that keep the carriers from getting dual core devices.. I'm not even sure if tmobile will get the nexus prime with all the pending buyout going on.. There's no future for tmo anymore i believe.. Im going att when everything finalizes

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Uhm, I think you're wrong. World phones have all 4 bands, where as AT&T and T-Mobile only have 3 bands. The bands are 850/900/1800/1900, so even if you're missing one it's still possible to use the phone hence the ROAMING feature. I have a Vibrant and have use SIM's (for calls & 3G+) from many countries as I travel through them.
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Tmobile uses 2100 aws spectrum for 3g which is why international and att phones dont have 3g on tmob. But att uses standard 3g bands same as rest of the world so you can for example buy a unlocked international sgs2 and get 3g on att.
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Wait is this dual core or single core?
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se7en10 said:
Uhm, I think you're wrong. World phones have all 4 bands, where as AT&T and T-Mobile only have 3 bands. The bands are 850/900/1800/1900, so even if you're missing one it's still possible to use the phone hence the ROAMING feature. I have a Vibrant and have use SIM's (for calls & 3G+) from many countries as I travel through them.
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that quad band/'world phone' bands are for calls. for data, tmob uses 1700 and 2100 (the reason att wants to buy them). the vibrant also supports the att 1900 3g/hspa+ band hence why it will usually work with att 3g.

se7en10 said:
Uhm, I think you're wrong. World phones have all 4 bands, where as AT&T and T-Mobile only have 3 bands. The bands are 850/900/1800/1900, so even if you're missing one it's still possible to use the phone hence the ROAMING feature. I have a Vibrant and have use SIM's (for calls & 3G+) from many countries as I travel through them.
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GSM-Wise: most phones that have been manufactured in the last ~4 years work on all GSM networks (They are Quad band)
but that means they are able to make phone calls and connect @ edge speed.
There is a different set of bands for 3G. Most 3G networks around the world use 2100 MHz. In the Americas, the 1900MHz is the most commonly used except few networks like T-Mobile and a couple of networks in Canada that use the AWS which uses 1700/2100MHz combination.
So unless you buy the phone from the US or Canada, your phone will NOT connect @ 3G with T-mobile.

طوني تبولة said:
There is a different set of bands for 3G. Most 3G networks around the world use 2100 MHz. In the Americas, the 1900MHz is the most commonly used except few networks like T-Mobile and a couple of networks in Canada that use the AWS which uses 1700/2100MHz combination.
So unless you buy the phone from the US or Canada, your phone will NOT connect @ 3G with T-mobile.
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Ok, always thought as a World phone it would have all the bands to work everywhere in the world. Guess not then!

Alex530 said:
Wait is this dual core or single core?
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Dual
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Dual
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Good stuff.
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طوني تبولة said:
So unless you buy the phone from the US or Canada, your phone will NOT connect @ 3G with T-mobile.
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/29/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-gets-official-for-canada-on-bell-virgin-mob/

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http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/29/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-gets-official-for-canada-on-bell-virgin-mob/
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Sadly, none of them uses AWS band (1700/2100)
Bell Mobility and its subsidiary (Virgin Mobile), and SaskTel use the 850 and 1900MHz which is supported by the International version of Galaxy S II.
AWS really sucks (click to see the small list of the providers that use this band)

Unlocked on T-Mobile

There seems to be some confusion about this phone working on T-Mobile 4g
YES THE PHONE WORKS!! however if you want 4g you need to be in a 1900 refarmed area and yes LTE works as well.
I live in Katy, Texas which is a suburb of Houston which is a 1900 refarmed area. Phone works perfectly fine. I didn't have to do any set up. Basically just like a tmo phone. I haven't noticed LTE yet. It switches from 3g to H. Runs just as fast as my nexus 4 and one s. Just thought I would drop this info, hopefully it helped someone.
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I would like to confirm that the Unlocked 32GB HTC One works perfectly in Phoenix, AZ as well. We're another 1900MHz refarm, and I've spotted LTE in some areas as well. Don't be afraid to grab this from HTC rather than dealing with T-Mobile's shinanigans and bloatware.

I'm in the boston area, which is also refarmed. pretty much same experience as op. all the set up was automatic.
the only thing different is indoors, sitting at my desk which is 3 feet from the window, my phone switches between E, 3g, and H every few minutes like it cant get a stable connection.
havent gone outdoors yet.
Speedtest during H connection was: 104ms ping, 5.13Mbps down, 2.07Mbps up
this is comparable to my g2 speedtests

msmith1991 said:
I live in Katy, Texas which is a suburb of Houston which is a 1900 refarmed area. Phone works perfectly fine. I didn't have to do any set up. Basically just like a tmo phone. I haven't noticed LTE yet. It switches from 3g to H. Runs just as fast as my nexus 4 and one s. Just thought I would drop this info, hopefully it helped someone.
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Very good to know, thanks for the info...
The wait for this phone is EXCRUCIATING!!!...

MinimalistChris said:
Very good to know, thanks for the info...
The wait for this phone is EXCRUCIATING!!!...
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Working faster than my galaxy nexus around chicagoland, only problem is that I cant no longer tether even with the mod UAstring but If I switch back to the galaxy nexus everything works fine. We need to fix this issue ASAP

I live in SD, our refarm is kind of strange and this is the first time I've ever used it(only used primarily tmobile phones for last 10 years). The one thing I will say is that it in SD it seems every other tower has been refarmed, as I will keep going in and out of HSPA. This was seen as I was driving around on the freeway(not texting but checking service). Another thing is that I can be on a tower that has been refarmed, go into a building, and have it revert to edge from HSPA outside. And then when I take a couple steps outside the building it works again.
Also I was wondering if anyone else has handcut their sim to microsim? I'm hoping that may be the issue, and if I get an official tmobile microsim it will be fine. Otherwise the refarm is superb when it works, getting about 10 Mbps down with my handcut(from diagram) sim

Houston Area
The Developer Edition work fine in Houston area. However, the data speed is jumpy. My Note 2 LTE speed stay above 15 MBS all the time but the One LTE will go from 5 MBS to 20 MBS. H+ on the one is not stable at all. Tmo agent told me to call back in a week for more info. If someone find out a way to optimize the Dev edition on Tmo radio please let me know.

Hello there LTE! It's beautiful to see you on my screen. I can now confirm LTE in Houston
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The Developer Edition work fine in Houston area. However, the data speed is jumpy. My Note 2 LTE speed stay above 15 MBS all the time but the One LTE will go from 5 MBS to 20 MBS. H+ on the one is not stable at all. Tmo agent told me to call back in a week for more info. If someone find out a way to optimize the Dev edition on Tmo radio please let me know.
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I'm sure it won't be long before we have a radio flash for tmobile from the devs
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mr2kqql said:
Working faster than my galaxy nexus around chicagoland, only problem is that I cant no longer tether even with the mod UAstring but If I switch back to the galaxy nexus everything works fine. We need to fix this issue ASAP
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good to know. i live in chicago and am sticking with my $30 t-mo plan.

naan-consensual said:
good to know. i live in chicago and am sticking with my $30 t-mo plan.
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Finally got tethering working by using FoxFi and I get around 10mpbs, the stock one that comes with the phone doesnt quite work for tmobile.

New to the htc one but what is the tmo radio required for? Since it already works unlocked?

If I'm not mistaking it's 1700/1900/LTE out of the box the unlocked one doesn't have 1700 enabled. I'm sure a dev will eventually get it done. If you want 3g/4g data then you need to be in a 1900 refarmed area.
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Just gonna stay on the safe said and get it from the T-MO store tomorrow. Is there any advantage to get the 32gb unlocked version, except for no bloatware? Any advantage if I travel internationally?

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If I'm not mistaking it's 1700/1900/LTE out of the box the unlocked one doesn't have 1700 enabled. I'm sure a dev will eventually get it done. If you want 3g/4g data then you need to be in a 1900 refarmed area.
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The ATT/dev ones are 850/1900/2100MHz UMTS; band 4 (AWS) is the only UMTS band that uses 1700MHz at all.
I wouldn't count on getting AWS enabled on the dev version. It is very likely that the allowed bands are configured in hardware as has generally been the case on MDM9x15 devices.
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Just gonna stay on the safe said and get it from the T-MO store tomorrow. Is there any advantage to get the 32gb unlocked version, except for no bloatware? Any advantage if I travel internationally?
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The unlocked version is strictly worse from a 3G standpoint but might have a couple of extra LTE frequencies (not 100% sure on that one, tmo version definitely is bands 4/17 only). AFAIK the only other place AWS is at all likely to matter is Canada, but assuming tmo will unlock your One there is no frequency advantage to getting the unlocked version from HTC--I think it's $5 cheaper.

If you travel internationally then that's a huge advantage.. but I'm sure tmobile will unlock your phone, if you ask. I purchased the unlocked version because I didn't wanna deal with my uncle (account holder) nor tmobile. Plus there wasnt any information about tmobiles release at the time, I so I hopped on the unlocked version.
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I have the HTC 64GB Developer Edition here in Jacksonville Florida but I only get EDGE on T-Mobile Network I dont know what frequency they are using here in Jacksonville, they could be on 1700Mhz My brothers T-Mobile Galaxy S3 says UMTS-3 and he is getting 4G Speeds.

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I live in Katy, Texas which is a suburb of Houston which is a 1900 refarmed area. Phone works perfectly fine. I didn't have to do any set up. Basically just like a tmo phone. I haven't noticed LTE yet. It switches from 3g to H. Runs just as fast as my nexus 4 and one s. Just thought I would drop this info, hopefully it helped someone.
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Yeah you guys can actually use this to check if your area has the refarmed 1900 Mhz
http://www.airportal.de/

howardho said:
I live in SD, our refarm is kind of strange and this is the first time I've ever used it(only used primarily tmobile phones for last 10 years). The one thing I will say is that it in SD it seems every other tower has been refarmed, as I will keep going in and out of HSPA. This was seen as I was driving around on the freeway(not texting but checking service). Another thing is that I can be on a tower that has been refarmed, go into a building, and have it revert to edge from HSPA outside. And then when I take a couple steps outside the building it works again.
Also I was wondering if anyone else has handcut their sim to microsim? I'm hoping that may be the issue, and if I get an official tmobile microsim it will be fine. Otherwise the refarm is superb when it works, getting about 10 Mbps down with my handcut(from diagram) sim
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Just the way non T-Mobile phones work in San Diego. I have the same exact issues with my one x. Compared to T-Mobile phones the data connection is extremely unreliable constantly switching and dropping ESPECIALLY inside. Same thing with my wife's unlocked iPhone on T-Mobile.
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Same Here I come from AT&T and I dont like them, I bought this phone to use it with T-Mobile, but I really had it with this HTC One 64GB Developer Edition, HTC should of included AWS 1700mhz on this phone for being such a premium phone with a high price... I'm having the same issue with T-Mobiles Refarm @ 1900mhz keeps dropping from H to EDGE, and I just spoke to my Buddy that works for T-Mobile and there LTE will be on AWS 1700MHZ... I'm shipping this phone back to HTC, I was thinking of buying T-Mobiles HTC One Branded phone that includes the AWS 1700mhz Band, but I don't like the fact that its only a 32GB. I'm going to miss this phone. Ohh well S4 is around the corner maybe I could give Sammy a shot.
954wrecker said:
Just the way non T-Mobile phones work in San Diego. I have the same exact issues with my one x. Compared to T-Mobile phones the data connection is extremely unreliable constantly switching and dropping ESPECIALLY inside. Same thing with my wife's unlocked iPhone on T-Mobile.
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