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Hey guys, I just got my 8525 a week ago, I'm still trying to get used to it. Overall i think i like it more then my TREO650 but i have one problem, i cant stand the small power button on the side. Most of the time i push it i push the slide keyboard out too, its so small i can never find it.
My old Treo650 had the power button and locking keys on the END button, when i push END it would lock and turn off the screen, to Unlock i would push END again and then the Center button. Is there any way to re-assign the Power button on the 8525 to be like my old Treo650?
Any suggestions guys. I am having the same problem with small power button
DAFTEK said:
its so small i can never find it.
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sounds like a personal problem, maybe see a doctor?
On a serious note.. i dont think it can be reprogrammed via the software, i believe the power button is actually mapped via hardware since it is used for functions like putting the phone into bootloader mode, etc.. i could be wrong though.
Hey thanks for the reply although its my phone with the small problem I have tried two programs on the forum here called Devicelock.cab but that only locks the device but you still have to push power to power the phone back up.
I believe the power key can be reprogrammed in one or two highly invasive ways.
However, it doesn't sound like you want to re-assign the power key, but to assign the power off function to another key. Is that correct? That's easy/
If you want to assign the power on function, that is more complicated, but there are work arounds.
V
I agree with the original poster. The small power on/off button is poor design. When I want to place a call, I first need to turn the device on by hitting that very small button. Then I need to activate the phone app or invoke MS voice command. It's just plain poor design. I love my 8525, but it could be so much better if the product designers at HTC actually thought about the ergonomics of the tasks users do the most.
One more gripe. The phone app is atrocious. Getting to the recent dialed list or to toggle the speakerphone usually requires bringing up a menu. This is annoying for a phone and a better design could mitigate the poor usability. I/m not an iPhone fanboy but take a look at the thought Apple put in there *first* phone and it is quite illuminating on the state of PPC phones.
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[...]Getting to the recent dialed list or to toggle the speakerphone usually requires bringing up a menu[...]
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You could try scrollwheel up or D-pad up for recent call list .
(also down for speed-dials).
Maybe you could map a button for speakerphone, not sure though.
ovidiugm said:
Maybe you could map a button for speakerphone, not sure though.
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The original poster could - while in a call - try pressing the green button for two or three seconds.
I think it's even mentioned in the manual...
Cheers
Daniel
Hello.
I agree with the previous posters. The badly placed powerOn button is "bad design". If anyone finds the sollution (to PowerON the device using another key) please share it!
Otherwise, this is a great device. A true pocket computer
Best regards, jZ
+1 for the poor design.
I always hit the power button as I am pulling it out of the case when a call comes in, that turns off the screen, then I have to hit it again to see who is calling, and with all that going on as well as the ringer, the phone has a minor anurism and delays in answering.....
So to summarise the poor design aspect of this thread:
1. The power button is too small/difficult to find and press.
2. The power button is too easy to press/find even by accident.
Conclusion, it's just about right then!!
You can't please all of the people all of the time.
Mike
1. The power button is too small/difficult to find and press.
2. The power button is too easy to press/find even by accident.
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Sounds like the classic male/female dichotomy. I never can operate my wife's buttons, however obvious the functionality might seem....
V
vijay555 said:
Sounds like the classic male/female dichotomy. I never can operate my wife's buttons, however obvious the functionality might seem....
V
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unfortunately i can operate my wife's buttons even when i dont want to.. talk about poor design )
Lol, Shogun, remind us again how many kids you have?
Ok, some Opus Dei style self flagellation for the errant moderators going off topic.
Is this issue now resolved?
V
I can also operate my wifes buttons just fine as well but all i want is to find out if i can move the power button to maybe the PPT button or END when holding it.
Daftek, again, do you want to emulate the power key functionality, (ie on/off) on another key, and/or entirely disable the original power key?
V
Thats what I would like to do......
Hello.
I think we'd all like to assign a DIFFERENT KEY to POWER ON function. POWER OFF is no problem, because a button for this can be assigned through "Buttons". When the phone is in "sleep mode", only the POWER button can wake it.
Any solutions?
Regards, jZ
IMHO, it's possible but not easily.
Easiest work around is to disable button locking, so that pressing any button can wake the device, and then use a software lock to timeout/power off if you happen to poke a hardware button while it's in your pocket.
Alternatively you could rewrite the button driver, but it's possible (although I've not looked into it definitively) that the hardware power button is a hardware interrupt to the CPU. In which case a software based solution will not override a hardware based connection.
V
This is what I did...
I totally agree the power button is a pain, the size, placement...
I know this sounds a bit weird but I took a small piece of plastic (actually from a toothpick) and crazy glued it on the button. It works great! I never miss the button anymore! See picture...
Basically, it is as if the top volume button is held down, and the volume is continuously going up on my HD, even when I try to turn it down, it shoots back up again, and is stuck on the volume screen. Sometimes, if I turn it down to silent, it will stay silent for a few seconds, then the volume goes up again and keeps going up.
Really annoying as it means the phone is basically unusable as I'm pretty much always trapped in the volume screen!
Any ideas?
I would suppose that a button is stuck!
Take of the back cover and take a good look at the buttons to see if anything could be wrong!
Wavac said:
I would suppose that a button is stuck!
Take of the back cover and take a good look at the buttons to see if anything could be wrong!
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That's what I thought, but it looks fine to me
I had the same problem as you but I then realize that when I was putting down the volume while in a conversation was my face pressing the screen and increasing again the volume...could it be your same problem?
pureheart said:
I had the same problem as you but I then realize that when I was putting down the volume while in a conversation was my face pressing the screen and increasing again the volume...could it be your same problem?
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Nope, because it happens if I don't touch the phone and just leave it on the table
Have you tried a hard reset?
Do a backup first.
Turn off the phone. If you can't pull the battery out.
Hold the volume up + down at the same time then press the power on button for about 1 second. Let go of the power button while keeping the volume up and down still pressed down.
You should see a blue / green / red screen then just follow the instructions on screen.
If this doesn't solve your problem then most likely something is keeping your volume up button depressed internally. Take it back for repair...
The volume slider malfunctioning is a big one on HTC devices known issues. I've had the same problem with my elf....and I've seen plenty that do too. Your best bet would be to take it to an authorized service rep. Sucks I know
Try to remove the cover and use it... the pressing mechanism is on the cover...
sectorlord said:
Try to remove the cover and use it... the pressing mechanism is on the cover...
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Tried that, still the same problem.
I'm going to try a hard reset today, if I still get the problem, going to ask Orange to replace it. I wonder if they'll let me pick another phone, I'm getting a bit fed up with the HD!
I have the same problem, it occurs randomly and I discovered that if I quickly press the power button to stand by the phone and press it again to exit from stand by, the volume bug disappears and phone starts working well again. I thought it was a software bug but I still have it on 1.19. It rarely happens now on 1.13 was more frequent.
I have been using my Treo Pro for a couple of months now and have not managed to simply switch it off!?!
When I press the "power" button on the top shortly the screen goes off and when I press it longer only the phone function goes off.
To switch it off completely I need to take out the battery.
Is this a bug or a feature???? Anyway it annoys me...
Cheers
fredw_de
fredw_de said:
I have been using my Treo Pro for a couple of months now and have not managed to simply switch it off!?!
When I press the "power" button on the top shortly the screen goes off and when I press it longer only the phone function goes off.
To switch it off completely I need to take out the battery.
Is this a bug or a feature???? Anyway it annoys me...
Cheers
fredw_de
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Yes there is no off, holding the top button is only radio on and off e.g flight mode, thats how it was designed?, great isn't it!!!!
Reset instead of "off"
Yeah, I was a bit concerned about not being able to turn off my Treo completely either. The only way to reset it was to remove the back cover and press the reset button on the back lower left side of the phone. But taking the back cover off over repeatedly - which is somewhat of a pain to do as you may have noticed - could possibly lead to the widely reported cracks in the phone. However, if you remove the stylus and look in the small opening there, you can see the reset button! I unfolded a paper clip and was able to reach the reset button without any difficulty. I've tried to do this with the stylus itself, but I feel it's just slightly too thick to get in there properly without bumping into the rear cover. Windows Mobile tends to need a soft reset every now & then to keep things running smoothly, so hopefully this helps you.
It should also be noted that whenever you do a Sprite backup it will actually restart the phone before and after the backup.
I just do a weekly Sprite backup and haven't had to do a soft reset at all yet.
There is no Treo as far as I know of that had the ability to turn off completely. Probably because they thought that flight modus was enough
To soft reset device is advised to install a small app rather than to take the back cover off every time. This is absolulty the most stupid place to put the reset button. If I take off the cover you might as well pull out the battery instead
I have this POS also! I noticed this inability to power the phone off as well. I was able to power mine off by holding down the top power button then afterwards I held the red end button down untill it turned off. Seems to work, correct me if i'm wrong. I put my treo pro back in the box because i'm selling it asap! This phone has a very nice look and feel but I hate the tiny cramped keyboard and the display is very dull and faded looking. My two biggest gripes which is more than enough for for to deactivate it and go back to one of my other phones... like the touch pro i'm using to type this post. Fare well Palm Treo Pro!
Dull and faded screen?
To each his own I guess. My screen is sharp and so bright I had to crank it way down.
It's weird that you can't simply turn it all the way off. But that does not bother me too much. I want my phone on all the time.
The keyboard is small.....but very usable...IMHO.
I think it's near perfect in size and functionality. The Pre looks sweet but I will be in no hurry to switch over.....I can wait.
I would strongly disagree about the screen being dull and dark, that is crazy to me.
The only time I really ever want or need to shut my phone off is if it about to die and I want to shut my phone off in case I need it in an emergency to make a call. Not being able to do that has been incredibly inconvenient quite often lately. After a heavy day of usage my phone can die now by 7-8pm sometimes earlier. I had to go out and buy an i-go portable charger.
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I would strongly disagree about the screen being dull and dark, that is crazy to me...
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Same here.. ..I seemed that PocketNow received a Pro for a review suffering the same problems.
Can't complain on the screen on my Treo Pro! (It's not as colorful as my Nokia E71, but still good enough..
Power Off
waynebam said:
Yes there is no off, holding the top button is only radio on and off e.g flight mode, thats how it was designed?, great isn't it!!!!
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Yes there is an Off for the Palm Treo
Pull the Battery
While holding the Top power button, Red Button & Green Button all at the same time, Put it back in this is put it into i think its called a Sleep Mode....
Hope this helps
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Yes there is an Off for the Palm Treo
Pull the Battery
While holding the Top power button, Red Button & Green Button all at the same time, Put it back in this is put it into i think its called a Sleep Mode....
Hope this helps
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hahaha, the only thing left to do is find a third hand ;P
isnt there a poweroffwarning.exe in the windows folder , i know a link to that can turn off my diamond ?
In order to shutdown any Windows at the bottom level there is a call to a function called ExitWindowsEx, which in Windows Mobile 6 the flag EWX_POWEROFF isn't supported.
So in fact the problem of shutting down Treo isn't a problem specific of the device, but with the OS itself. So any Windows Mobile 6 based device will not power off, unless you take out the battery.
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In order to shutdown any Windows at the bottom level there is a call to a function called ExitWindowsEx, which in Windows Mobile 6 the flag EWX_POWEROFF isn't supported.
So in fact the problem of shutting down Treo isn't a problem specific of the device, but with the OS itself. So any Windows Mobile 6 based device will not power off, unless you take out the battery.
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This explains the whole thing !!!
Apparently I have seen my HTC touch shutdown totally with the power button. This I believe is a "feature" with HTC phones. Since TP is actually HTC Panther, wonder if we can implement this...I will try and get an app around this and see what happens.
Go into the comm's menu and turn the phone off. Then lock it by hitting the red button once and hit the button at the top of the phone, left side of top.
Done.
You can turn off a treo pro by doing soft-reset and quickly holding the red, green, and top power buttons simultaneously for 3 seconds. You can also remove and insert the battery and quickly hold those 3 buttons for 3 seconds. You turn it on by pressing the top power button.
OK, it does turn the treo pro off, but I can only turn it on by removing and putting back the battery.
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You can turn off a treo pro by doing soft-reset and quickly holding the red, green, and top power buttons simultaneously for 3 seconds. You can also remove and insert the battery and quickly hold those 3 buttons for 3 seconds. You turn it on by pressing the top power button.
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Any setting/way to make an app or hack for them to stay on for longer? It's so annoying that they turn off!
Oh man, I'm getting REALLY annoyed by that. It's bad enough that you can only turn the screen on to use the phone by using the power button that is in such a stupid position.
I'm really starting to miss the Home button on my iPhone.
Actually any of the 3 hard buttons will wake the phone so you can use vol up and down as well
zDisturbed1 said:
Actually any of the 3 hard buttons will wake the phone so you can use vol up and down as well
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The volume keys aren't waking up mine.
zDisturbed1 said:
Actually any of the 3 hard buttons will wake the phone so you can use vol up and down as well
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you had me excited for a second... Volume keys do not work on mine to wake the phone.
Same only three power lock key worked and I wish there was a setting to have the lights on ask the time screen is on
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you had me excited for a second... Volume keys do not work on mine to wake the phone.
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Right. Vol keys don't wake the phone. It would be nice in theory, but adjusting volume (listening to music) with the phone in your pocket would then wake the phone and possibly allow the screen to unlock. I know that's a bit of a stretch, but being a touchscreen right next to your leg.....it could easily happen.
I can't believe there isn't a setting for this. The lights turn off too quickly. There should've been a low-power 'Always On W/Screen' option.
I wish they would've opted for hardware buttons, to be honest. That way, you can at least feel them out in the dark.
I'm new to the Android development scene, but would it be possible for someone to develop a market app to address the issue?
Why did the US carrier phones had the Home button removed.
Now they are incompatible with the regular Galaxy S firmware, and are hard to use in the dark.
Just stupid.
But 4 hard buttons are not a good solution either. A large Home button is.
I like the idea of a single hard button (the N1 trackball, the iPhone home button, the Galaxy S home button), and I agree: it was a stupid decision to remove that button.
ntoxicated said:
Oh man, I'm getting REALLY annoyed by that. It's bad enough that you can only turn the screen on to use the phone by using the power button that is in such a stupid position.
I'm really starting to miss the Home button on my iPhone.
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dude, stop whining like a lil biscuit. the power button as screen on/off method is fabulous and quick. Loving the 4 touch buttons. Yes I understand the lights go off quite quickly but don't worry, i already have and you will also remember their position.
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dude, stop whining like a lil biscuit. the power button as screen on/off method is fabulous and quick. Loving the 4 touch buttons. Yes I understand the lights go off quite quickly but don't worry, i already have and you will also remember their position.
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Power Button on top of the phone is more ergonomic.
Big Home Button is also more ergonomic and you don't have to "remember" it.
I think the US carriers wanted space to slap their branding, so they removed the large Home button. Plus, the 4 buttons make it harder to use international firmware, which will likely advance faster than the US-only versions.
Hi all,
I heard a lot of people complain about the hard to (press power) buttons.
Logically is the main reason why htc makes hard to press (power) buttons is to avoid acitentally turning the device on/off while its in your pocket or wathever.
So why not make good easy to press CAPACTIVE (power) HARDWARE buttons.
I think that should solve a lot of problems
Please share your opinions about this!
A capacitive power button would lead to people triggering it every time they put their hand in their pocket to get it if they so much as brush against it.
It's not that hard to press anyway.
edit: No to mention if you hold the phone in landscape mode the button would then rest against your palm, again triggering it.
a capacitive power button wont be enabled if u switched the device off.. how are you gonna start your phone then .. thats why its a physical button
i have no problem with the power button, i like it. was using a hd2 before and on this device the power button was the same like the [call end] button. and that drained my battery always. sometimes you sitting in a tight seat like on a airplaine and you alway acciedently hit the button or even by walking arround or if you have other stuff in your pocket.
It would have been nice if we could get an option to also use the volume down button to turn the screen on.
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It would have been nice if we could get an option to also use the volume down button to turn the screen on.
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search this forum.. a couple of pages back there is this app that can do what u want.
lukesky said:
search this forum.. a couple of pages back there is this app that can do what u want.
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Next time please just name the app, makes it a lot easier, and saves a lot of searching.
Anyway, I found it on my own, and the app is called "No Lock". Best thing of all, it's free in the market!
This app will disable the lock screen, and thus wakes up immediately without having to unlock. Also, now you can wake the phone up with the volume button.
widget locker can also power on with volume button, and its very customizable but its not free, well worth the cost tho
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Next time please just name the app, makes it a lot easier, and saves a lot of searching.
Anyway, I found it on my own, and the app is called "No Lock". Best thing of all, it's free in the market!
This app will disable the lock screen, and thus wakes up immediately without having to unlock. Also, now you can wake the phone up with the volume button.
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i would if i remembered what exactly the name was, all i know is this question was asked several times by different people already so i just glanced through them without really paying much attention to specific names