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Got It! My experience so far...

Got my Nexus One today. I was like a kid waiting to go to the candy store all day at school. I don't know if I have ever looked forward to going to work as much as I did today. Instant impression/feedback on "issues" to look out for:
"Dust Issue": I have no clicking corners or dust under the screen. Build quality seems top notch!
The boxing seems to be top notch as well. Nice design, good layout, I was able to put it all back together with ease(not common with cell phone boxes).
Battery: 42% charged out of the box, which is nice! I am going to give it a go at running it down before bed so I can leave it on the charger overnight to get a good full first charge and set the battery stats correctly.
Beyond that, not much to add to the conversation.
Going to add in some stuff as I go along:
On Screen Keyboard: In landscape I can type faster on this than my G1! I started practicing using the onscreen keyboard on my G1 after I ordered the N1, so the learning curve wasn't as steep as a new user... but none-the-less I can type very fast on this, to say the least. Can't wait to experience the better keyboards out there than the stock one.

pjcforpres said:
Battery: 42% charged out of the box, which is nice! I am going to give it a go at running it down before bed so I can leave it on the charger overnight to get a good full first charge and set the battery stats correctly.
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The card manual it comes with says to charge it first.
I think if you run it down first without a full charge first, you'll degrade the battery from the get-go.

Paul22000 said:
The card manual it comes with says to charge it first.
I think if you run it down first without a full charge first, you'll degrade the battery from the get-go.
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So it does... eh, I am going to stick to my tried and true method (Also the method the HTC tech training told us to tell customers to use with every single HTC made phone, and the same thing the BB guys said). I already did it this way with 1 N1, and the battery lasted me 24 hours, my manager almost 48, and the tester after her almost 48 hours as well.

Paul22000 said:
The card manual it comes with says to charge it first.
I think if you run it down first without a full charge first, you'll degrade the battery from the get-go.
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It's Li-ion... so no he won't.

Oh, so no dust issue for you! I hope I'm as lucky, when, if I ever, hopefully soon, get my N1! ^.^

Eclair~ said:
Oh, so no dust issue for you! I hope I'm as lucky, when, if I ever, hopefully soon, get my N1! ^.^
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Yup, and I have a theory on the dust issue... I think it is because they get too cold in shipping, so the contraction of the screen and seal causes it to come loose... and considering the first couple weeks this phone was launched, we were having a really bad cold spell in the US, it was a bit more widespread than usual.
And yes, Li-Ion, so all I need to worry about it making sure the micro-chip has the proper low and high battery level set.

I could see this cold thing being true, even down here in Florida where I live it is still cold - even in the Winter it doesn't quite get as cold as it recently has. If this theory is correct, then when it starts to get warmer the issue will soon not be a problem.

Eclair~ said:
I could see this cold thing being true, even down here in Florida where I live it is still cold - even in the Winter it doesn't quite get as cold as it recently has. If this theory is correct, then when it starts to get warmer the issue will soon not be a problem.
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In Florida too! Dang that was the coldest winter we ever had (altamonte springs )

markimar said:
In Florida too! Dang that was the coldest winter we ever had (altamonte springs )
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I so agree!! I hate this cold weather so much! I'm definitely not used to it.. the news where I live said it was going to "snow", I've never seen snow in my life, and yet this still wasn't the year >.>
I'm new to these forums, and I don't think this is the place to discuss all of this though

uansari1 said:
It's Li-ion... so no he won't.
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What is the purpose of the card manual saying to do this?

Paul22000 said:
What is the purpose of the card manual saying to do this?
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I am not 100% sure... I would assume if you don't turn the phone on at all, and do as it says, it would turn out just fine and get the 100% level set right, which is the most important one to have properly set. As well, I think it has to do with a small amount of "idiot" proofing the process for people, in that if they do it that way it is fewer steps, and they won't randomly think their battery sucks because they only got 8 hours off it out of the box, or they mess up and put it on the charger right after turning it on and messing up the settings of the micro chip that reads the levels.
I have an "expert" BB training tomorrow, and then in 2 weeks we have our "expert" HTC training. I will ask both tomorrow and at the HTC one why they say this... BB says the same thing in their manual, even though at the tech trainings they tell us otherwise.

Paul22000 said:
What is the purpose of the card manual saying to do this?
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Other than the speculation that pjc already made, another reason is that they don't want people to fail to notice that the battery came partially charged and they have a negative impression of the phone when they get the low battery warning so soon during their first experience.
Also, today's phones might come with around 50% charge level, but next month phones might ship with 10% charge or who knows. So, telling them to charge before use avoids any unnecessary brushes with problems arising from doing the initial setup with a low battery. This will be especially true when people starting getting phones after the first OTA is out. If an OTA triggers right after unboxing with less than 20% battery that could be bad.
And, an uncalibrated battery may say 40% out of the box, but in reality it might be at 70% or 20% or who knows - until it is calibrated.
And finally, while the limit that the phone most likely needs calibration on is the lower limit, the consequences of not calibrating the lower limit are simply that you get more warnings sooner than you needed to. It won't actually affect how long the phone can stay on since that is determined by the battery reaching an actual hardware limit that is pretty fixed and measurable (only the estimation of that limit is off, but the phone has a pretty good idea of when it actually reaches that limit). On the other hand, while calibrating the upper limit is probably going to happen anyway just by using the phone and recharging it overnight as many people tend to do, the upper limit is the one that can affect the entire length of time the phone can stay on because if you don't charge it to "true full" then you really do have less energy in the battery.
So, all in all, "charge your phone before use" is probably the best bang for the buck in terms of characters-per-useful-info that they can put on a "read this first" card.
But, for best battery life - read the guidelines posted here and on other forums and sites on how to properly calibrate your battery and follow them. Typically you want to first discharge until the phone forces itself to turn off - then recharge until it says it is full and then keep charging a few hours past that for good measure, then you are golden for a long time...

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nvm, seems as if people either don't care or won't believe it.

Too bad the automatic assumption with that screen is it won't work well on battery life. Still worth it for that great phone.

not to say that his isnt possible because i think it could be. i would have liked to see the other screen because mine says right now up 108 hours awake time 30 hours.. when u hit battery use it'll say how long it was unplugged for.

nvm, seems as if people either don't care or won't believe it.

93 hours ?!??? !??? ! whaaaaaaaaat

MikeBrWade said:
Sure, what other screen? Crud you probably mean the screen after this one.. I just looked through all my screen captures and I dont' have one! Urgh. Well guess I have to run the test next weekend again. For now I guess you can believe it or not
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touch battery use right above the uptime that screen shows how long its been unplugged for

nvm, seems as if people either don't care or won't believe it.

MikeBrWade said:
Well like I said since it shutdown after 92.75 hours.. I can't do that =( However I will rerun the test again at a later date so I guess it's a choice to believe or not now
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Hey I believe you. I was able to pull off 40 hours on a stock rom with actually 1 hour of the screen on, and I still had 30% left.

very impressive! it makes my 11-15 hour days look rather crappy lol

From what I have learned, the up time and what not is how long your phone has been up without a restart. Not how long you have had it for a single charge.

MikeBrWade said:
Well like I said since it shutdown after 92.75 hours.. I can't do that =( However I will rerun the test again at a later date so I guess it's a choice to believe or not now
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Beejis said:
From what I have learned, the up time and what not is how long your phone has been up without a restart. Not how long you have had it for a single charge.
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Unless you know you restarted it the moment you unplugged.

Beejis said:
From what I have learned, the up time and what not is how long your phone has been up without a restart. Not how long you have had it for a single charge.
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my point exactly the next screen when you hit "battery use" is the actual uptime since it has been unplugged .. if that were the case i could be like i just got 108hours of battery life and still going i'll believe it you get 90+ hours since unplugged

So if I turn everything off and put the phone asleep and not use it, it will last 90+ hours?
Am I understanding this right? If so whats the point? My phone isn't much fun or use when its asleep

MrDSL said:
So if I turn everything off and put the phone asleep and not use it, it will last 90+ hours?
Am I understanding this right? If so whats the point? My phone isn't much fun or use when its asleep
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Just charge the phone, kill all the apps, leave it under the bed and come back in a week. It should work.
Seriously whats the deal of the 90 something hrs?? Go get a car battery and maybe you get a month of non-stopping usage.
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MikeBrWade said:
nvm, seems as if people either don't care or won't believe it.
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Hahaha. I believe it and think it's cool, and its good research. People are so nasty in this forum.
Yes you wouldn't want to use these exact settings and not use the phone much to get 90 hrs of battery life, but this is RESEARCH that can help us figure out what settings do or don't help battery life. If he used the phone a bit it might last a day and a half, or 2 days.
Thanks for checking things out, don't let the haters bring you down.

MikeBrWade said:
nvm, seems as if people either don't care or won't believe it.
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Has nothing to do with people not caring or believing it. Was just the picture you posted as your "proof" was a meaningless one, just as many have mentioned. Example; Look at Danon.Brown's pictures...if we go by what you posted, we see he has 108 plus hours of usage when in he's only been unplugged for seconds. Great you got your 90 plus hours on it...but what about the time actually unplugged and usage the phone has seen? If one does nothing but let the phone sit idle...it's easy to get 2 plus days out of a charge.

MikeBrWade said:
nvm, seems as if people either don't care or won't believe it.
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Can you post system panel screenshots?

I'm at 19 1/2 hours right now with 30% battery left and I thought that was pretty good (couple hours of robo defense, couple hours of web browsing, a bunch of movie trailers on Flixter, hour or so of music, a bunch of texts and a couple calls from my mom). Getting nearly 93 hours out of this phone just seems a little difficult to believe under normal use. But then again, maybe I just have more work to do.

MrDSL said:
So if I turn everything off and put the phone asleep and not use it, it will last 90+ hours?
Am I understanding this right? If so whats the point? My phone isn't much fun or use when its asleep
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I can get my phone to idle at an average loss of 2% per hour with wifi and phone radios on. I see this as completely plausible with minimal use and still being able to receive phone calls texts and emails.

*facepalm* @ some of these replies

Have EVO for testing.

Dropped my EVO, screen broke, bought a new one. Old one still works, not activated so couldn't test calling features, but still functions fine. If anybody would like me to test anything for them, I'd be willing to do so. I'm laid off with a lot of time on my hands, so whatever, let me know.

mcampos7 said:
Dropped my EVO, screen broke, bought a new one. Old one still works, not activated so couldn't test calling features, but still functions fine. If anybody would like me to test anything for them, I'd be willing to do so. I'm laid off with a lot of time on my hands, so whatever, let me know.
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Why not replace the screen for about $100 and sell it?

fenixjn said:
Why not replace the screen for about $100 and sell it?
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
But if you do decide to keep it, you'd be doing the dev community a big favor with an "expendable" evo

jxr94 said:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
But if you do decide to keep it, you'd be doing the dev community a big favor with an "expendable" evo
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My exact intentions bro. Wanna keep the phone for the sake of development, and testing. Anything to make my evo and anyone elses better. Since I don't know how to develop, figured I could contribute this way.

here is something I would like to see..
turn off all radios and auto updates.. anything that makes the evo work when nothing is happening.
charge it to full..
and let it sit till it dies.
how long does it really last?

That will be cool

You must be Balling if you laid off and bought a new EVO full price after ypi broke your new one, wow
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Dan330 said:
here is something I would like to see..
turn off all radios and auto updates.. anything that makes the evo work when nothing is happening.
charge it to full..
and let it sit till it dies.
how long does it really last?
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Aside of going into airplane mode, everything is turned off, including mobile network.. So far... 18+ hours, battery symbol drained one notch. Usage: 50% Cell Standby, 50% phone idle.

i am assuming it's unrooted. you will for sure get more than 1d 19h. (my previous test result) but i actually used it during the entire weekend for texting +calling

INebilim said:
i am assuming it's unrooted. you will for sure get more than 1d 19h. (my previous test result) but i actually used it during the entire weekend for texting +calling
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No phone is rooted with stock rom, and all updates.

mcampos7 said:
Aside of going into airplane mode, everything is turned off, including mobile network.. So far... 18+ hours, battery symbol drained one notch. Usage: 50% Cell Standby, 50% phone idle.
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that is great..
cant wait to hear the full outcome...

whoops
My daughter plugged the phone in, so it reset the battery time. But last I checked it was this morning, 5 days and a few hours battery time with about 25% remaining. Unbelievable... I'm gonna give it a shot again. I'll keep you posted.

Overheating

This thing gets hot! Just been configuring launcher pro which took around 5 minutes and wasn't data intensive and the back of the phone is really hot. So much that I can smell the plastic heating up! The battery drained real fast during the process too.
Anyone else experiencing this ?

Well that doesn't sound good! I haven't had anything like that. Have you checked the power intake?
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steve228uk said:
Well that doesn't sound good! I haven't had anything like that. Have you checked the power intake?
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Good point, where can I check the power intake?
Thanks

mwatson said:
This thing gets hot! Just been configuring launcher pro which took around 5 minutes and wasn't data intensive and the back of the phone is really hot. So much that I can smell the plastic heating up! The battery drained real fast during the process too.
Anyone else experiencing this ?
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Mine got really hot the first day I used it (27/4)...I was just checking out features and installing a few apps. I rebooted it after the battery was fully charged and it's been fine ever since.
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I have the exact same problem, it happens especially when I play any games or intensive appliaction. The battery drains and it gets hot next to the camera, I suspect this is where the cpu lives. Do you think its because its rooted? because I rooted it as soon as I got it so I dont know what it was like before.
And as I am away from the uk for the next six weeks I cant even send it back to O2

No nothing to do with root, mine was same before and after, pretty normal to get hot on some demanding apps.
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I have the exact same problem, it happens especially when I play any games or intensive appliaction. The battery drains and it gets hot next to the camera, I suspect this is where the cpu lives. Do you think its because its rooted? because I rooted it as soon as I got it so I dont know what it was like before.
And as I am away from the uk for the next six weeks I cant even send it back to O2
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vimto25 said:
No nothing to do with root, mine was same before and after, pretty normal to get hot on some demanding apps.
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And i thought i was alone...
It gets really hot sometimes though, not to the extent of burnt plastic smell but it gets pretty uncomfortable touching around lens at the back.

I've been going through this this morning. It seems that the CPU loves to go up to 1.2GHz even if it doesn't need to be that high (and it stays there). Also there I've also been noticing through ADB shell that their are a few niggles. For example the wi-fi sharing process can start without even being activated.
For example this was a ADB shell top taken while running Cordy downclocked to 800MHz in setcpu. The phone was a tiny bit warm but only by the camera (where the CPU is). Basically, this just shows that if you are playing a game, nothing else is going on so the CPU shouldn't be going up to 1200MHz. And it plays the same as when it isn't underclocked.
I'm currently assisting Pulser with investigating this until he gets his SGS2.

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I've been going through this this morning. It seems that the CPU loves to go up to 1.2GHz even if it doesn't need to be that high (and it stays there). Also there I've also been noticing through ADB shell that their are a few niggles. For example the wi-fi sharing process can start without even being activated.
I'm currently assisting Pulser with investigating this until he gets his SGS2.
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My phone gets very hot at time too...
I also noticed wifi sharing starting up by itself. Yesterday it started by itself and used 10% battery usage even though I had wifi switched off the entire time..

BoogWeed said:
My phone gets very hot at time too...
I also noticed wifi sharing starting up by itself. Yesterday it started by itself and used 10% battery usage even though I had wifi switched off the entire time..
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Do you have root and Titanium/MyBackup Pro?
If you do, freeze anything that mentions wifi sharing, unless you are going to use wifi hotspot and kies air a lot.

mwatson said:
This thing gets hot! Just been configuring launcher pro which took around 5 minutes and wasn't data intensive and the back of the phone is really hot. So much that I can smell the plastic heating up! The battery drained real fast during the process too.
Anyone else experiencing this ?
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I posted on this a few days ago..
My phone got so hot that it shut itself down!
since that i have done a complete reset of the phone and started from scratch again....100% better.
The problem as i see it is with all the 'tinkering' that we users do. All the additional launchers etc and widgets that you add really seem to mess the phone up!
My advice is keep the phone as samsung intended it...or at least change very little. You will see far improved battery life and none of the over heating problems.
Just my opinion but its worked for me.

hpsauce37 said:
I posted on this a few days ago..
My phone got so hot that it shut itself down!
since that i have done a complete reset of the phone and started from scratch again....100% better.
The problem as i see it is with all the 'tinkering' that we users do. All the additional launchers etc and widgets that you add really seem to mess the phone up!
My advice is keep the phone as samsung intended it...or at least change very little. You will see far improved battery life and none of the over heating problems.
Just my opinion but its worked for me.
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Find the nearest Apple store near you.

The only time i had this was when it waa both charging, in a case and playing a big game...
Im currently chatting, listening to a live stream, charging and posting this, no problem with heat at all..
Perhaps its a problem with some specific phones
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SgtDutchyNL said:
The only time i had this was when it waa both charging, in a case and playing a big game...
Im currently chatting, listening to a live stream, charging and posting this, no problem with heat at all..
Perhaps its a problem with some specific phones
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Or with some specific games.

cmd512 said:
Find the nearest Apple store near you.
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LMAO
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hpsauce37 said:
I posted on this a few days ago..
My phone got so hot that it shut itself down!
since that i have done a complete reset of the phone and started from scratch again....100% better.
The problem as i see it is with all the 'tinkering' that we users do. All the additional launchers etc and widgets that you add really seem to mess the phone up!
My advice is keep the phone as samsung intended it...or at least change very little. You will see far improved battery life and none of the over heating problems.
Just my opinion but its worked for me.
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that's just not true.
Mine gets hot aswell .. it's random sometimes but usualy with playing games etc. I suspect it has something to do with the samsung drivers/software and not our tinkering.
Bugs bugs bugs...

Mine also gets fairly hot, which might be a little uncomfortable - but that's the sacrifice you make when you get such a high powered device in such a small space.

Well,amount of apps/tinkering/etc has nothing to do with the phone getting got UNLESS an installed app in messing something up.I have heard many such cases when a rogue app made the CPU run at 100% in different phones.If that's the case you have to find and remove the app.I'd suggest OS monitor for finding it.Never happened to me though!
What's more,it's normal for it to get more hot than your average phone,as it carries more power under the hood and has nothing to help it dissipate the generated heat,as it's plastic.The Desire HD does a very good job with managing heat and I have never exceeded 40 C,even when gaming with an overclock at 1.8GHz and performance governor.Not saying the DHD is better,but Samsung wouldn't have left something like this if it would damage the phone.So I tend to believe that it's designed to get hot.

Mine has overheated twice.
Both times, when trying to pair itself automatically to my car kit. The phone got really really hot (i noticed it warming my leg in my jeans pocket) and needed the battery pulling out to reset it. When it started back up, the running temp was nearly 50 degrees (in standby, it runs at about 27)
Hasn't done it since though, just keeping my eye on it!

User tip: Don't accidentally leave Google Sky Map on while you sleep.

Well I somehow rolled over my phone in bed while the screen was unlocked and turned on Google Sky Map. A couple hours later I awoke and checked the time on my X10. It was the hottest it's ever gotten. I exited Google Sky Map and turned off the screen and moved the phone to a cool spot.
Checked the historical temperature using Juiceplotter. It got up to 60°C. Averaged 56°C for the 2.5 hours. That is troubling.

Silly22 said:
Well I somehow rolled over my phone in bed while the screen was unlocked and turned on Google Sky Map. A couple hours later I awoke and checked the time on my X10. It was the hottest it's ever gotten. I exited Google Sky Map and turned off the screen and moved the phone to a cool spot.
Checked the historical temperature using Juiceplotter. It got up to 60°C. Averaged 56°C for the 2.5 hours. That is troubling.
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That's a useful tip, although not many people intentionally would leave Google Sky Map on while they're sleeping.
On a related matter, when the phone or any other similar gadget gets hot DON'T try to force it to cool down using blow-dryers or placing it in the fridge etc... It will do more harm than good. Better leave it where it was, switch it off for 10 minutes and let the CPU calm down on its own.
The motherboard will thank you!
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Lol, I've ran it really hot as well. Never with google sky though.
I mounted it on my windshield during the day, used it as a GPS, and streamed pandora for an hour or two at the same time. HOT.
At least we're not alone. Same thing with the Nexus One, HD2-Android, original Droid, etc. All those with a first gen snapdragon.
Thanks for the tip My_Immortal. I usually let it cool down if it gets too hot. But if I was in a rush... would probably had tried to actively cool it down, haha.

Lol the arc gets hot by itself sometimes in my pocket

My_Immortal said:
That's a useful tip, although not many people intentionally would leave Google Sky Map on while they're sleeping.
On a related matter, when the phone or any other similar gadget gets hot DON'T try to force it to cool down using blow-dryers or placing it in the fridge etc... It will do more harm than good. Better leave it where it was, switch it off for 10 minutes and let the CPU calm down on its own.
The motherboard will thank you!
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I think Google Sky Map overrides the auto screen shut off and kept the a-GPS going the whole time and that's why the temp. kept rising.
Yeah, when I turned it off I just moved it to another cooler part of the bed. Think I would have done more damage by throwing it in the fridge. I wonder if there is some sort of temperature threshold where android or the phone will turn itself off regardless of what's running.

Silly22 said:
I think Google Sky Map overrides the auto screen shut off and kept the a-GPS going the whole time and that's why the temp. kept rising.
Yeah, when I turned it off I just moved it to another cooler part of the bed. Think I would have done more damage by throwing it in the fridge. I wonder if there is some sort of temperature threshold where android or the phone will turn itself off regardless of what's running.
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Yes, Google Sky Maps uses GPS, accelerometer, compass, keeps screen on...
Very stressful to the CPU! Luckily it only makes sense to use it outside at night, which mostly means in lower temperatures!
I had an overheating incident once while using xRecovery.
The phone was making a nandroid backup and I fell asleep during,
when I woke up 5 hours later, the backup was finished of course,
the screen was on (it never goes off in xRec) and the battery was so HOT I could barely touch it!!!

My_Immortal said:
Yes, Google Sky Maps uses GPS, accelerometer, compass, keeps screen on...
Very stressful to the CPU! Luckily it only makes sense to use it outside at night, which mostly means in lower temperatures!
I had an overheating incident once while using xRecovery.
The phone was making a nandroid backup and I fell asleep during,
when I woke up 5 hours later, the backup was finished of course,
the screen was on (it never goes off in xRec) and the battery was so HOT I could barely touch it!!!
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Lol, did your battery not drain to 0%? xRecovery drains battery for me :O. When I was on school I was making a nandroid backup for installing straight after school CM7. But after the break I forgot to get out of xRecovery and phone was on for 50 minutes. Battery drained from 80% - 15%... Really awfull that you can't turn of screen ...

I don't think heat is a big problem. I use my x10 in my car as the navigation. When the sun hits front window it usually gets more than 50deg C on hot day. So far everything is ok.

Silly22 said:
Well I somehow rolled over my phone in bed while the screen was unlocked and turned on Google Sky Map. A couple hours later I awoke and checked the time on my X10. It was the hottest it's ever gotten. I exited Google Sky Map and turned off the screen and moved the phone to a cool spot.
Checked the historical temperature using Juiceplotter. It got up to 60°C. Averaged 56°C for the 2.5 hours. That is troubling.
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that's a good tip...
another good tip is to not sleep beside your phone. Also don't shower with it, or take it out on a date... It'll always make you pay

HouseM said:
I don't think heat is a big problem. I use my x10 in my car as the navigation. When the sun hits front window it usually gets more than 50deg C on hot day. So far everything is ok.
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According to the manual it's not.
Check the link in my signature about the radio and battery drain.

pngface said:
Lol the arc gets hot by itself sometimes in my pocket
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Maybe you should disable searching automatically for a network. Because when you travel it searches for other networks and stuff that cause your phone to be hot and drain battery. Using another baseband could also fix it, but I that's not available yet for the Arc I think. So try locking it on one network.

OmegaRED^ said:
According to the manual it's not.
Check the link in my signature about the radio and battery drain.
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I have read your post. I'm sure is a lot of truth in it. But there is not much you can do about sun heating your phone while using navi in car. I place my device near AC wents but still temperature is high.
Anyway there is 2 years warranty so if the phone will break because of that I'll just replace it.

HouseM said:
I have read your post. I'm sure is a lot of truth in it. But there is not much you can do about sun heating your phone while using navi in car. I place my device near AC wents but still temperature is high.
Anyway there is 2 years warranty so if the phone will break because of that I'll just replace it.
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Only if SE lets you. "trust me when i say this"

other apps i also found this problem,:-
1. google maps, if left for more than 1 hour during navigation,
2. paradise island (that realy makes the phone like a furnace 62c

viper619 said:
other apps i also found this problem,:-
1. google maps, if left for more than 1 hour during navigation,
2. paradise island (that realy makes the phone like a furnace 62c
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Dude any app that uses the internet a lot or is a bit heavy on the cpu = a lot of heat.
It's a flaw in the radio or it's software "one SE loves" cuz eventually all our phones will melt.
"planned obsolesce"

It's a flaw in the radio or it's software "one SE loves" cuz eventually all our phones will melt.
"planned obsolesce" [/QUOTE]
true :d they realy love busting our pockets for thier new phones. btw even if u used google maps without data connection, it does over heat the phone, maybe its a flaw in my phone or something.
cheers

OmegaRED^ said:
Dude any app that uses the internet a lot or is a bit heavy on the cpu = a lot of heat.
It's a flaw in the radio or it's software "one SE loves" cuz eventually all our phones will melt.
"planned obsolesce"
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Not really a flaw in just the X10. While it's true that the radio on the X10 can be very power hungry, the new basebands regulate it better. The issue has to do with the chipset.
ALL first generation snapdragons have the same issue. They ALL emit a ton of heat when cpu and peripheral chips undergo heavy activity. You'll find the same issues in other forums with the Nexus One, HTC HD2 (running Android), HTC Desire, original Droid, etc.
Not really planned obsolescence when it was the best chipset available at the time. Newer chipsets are going to be (and so far have been) better.

totalundone said:
Not really a flaw in just the X10. While it's true that the radio on the X10 can be very power hungry, the new basebands regulate it better. The issue has to do with the chipset.
ALL first generation snapdragons have the same issue. They ALL emit a ton of heat when cpu and peripheral chips undergo heavy activity. You'll find the same issues in other forums with the Nexus One, HTC HD2 (running Android), HTC Desire, original Droid, etc.
Not really planned obsolescence when it was the best chipset available at the time. Newer chipsets are going to be (and so far have been) better.
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At the price of $1250 i expected more from the device.
I also expected the device that works as a smart phone.
My mistake.. it's just a normal phone.

OmegaRED^ said:
At the price of $1250 i expected more from the device.
I also expected the device that works as a smart phone.
My mistake.. it's just a normal phone.
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If you paid $1250 for an X10, you've been conned heavily!

My_Immortal said:
If you paid $1250 for an X10, you've been conned heavily!
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That's what phones cost in our country.
I bought it when the device just hit the market here.
Well my uncle paid for half of it as a present.
But still a lot of money.