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Motorola to adjust strict Bootloader Lock policy?

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/21/motorola-ready-to-make-sweet-love-to-rom-devs-and-rooters/
Looks like future Motorola devices might be better off than the DroidX/2/Milestone.
If you are too lazy to read, Moto stated:
"We are working closely with our partners to offer a bootloader solution that will enable developers to use our devices as a development platform while still protecting our users' interests. More detailed information will follow as we get closer to availability."
Not sure how nobody has posted this yet...
EDIT: Looks like this was mentioned in this thread already. Anyway we'll see what happens.

They have posted it all over the internetz and the general consensus is that Moto will just keep locking the bootloaders.
We can always hope though...

Mortalys77 said:
They have posted it all over the internetz and the general consensus is that Moto will just keep locking the bootloaders.
We can always hope though...
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Moto did not have to come out and say this.
What is your reasoning that they will just continue to keep it locked if they outright say they aren't?
and in their statement, who would their "partners" be? The carriers?

Hmmmm interesting
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Yes you are right I know it has been posted many places. I was curious to hear the thoughts of people in this forum in particular some devs. I trust XDA forum opinion above others .
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sciulli999 said:
What is your reasoning that they will just continue to keep it locked if they outright say they aren't?
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Because they won't unlock it now, and this was just of a damage control thing.

They won't unlock the bootloader forbthis phone likely ever, but it is starting to look like they are going to work for their phones being development friendly judging by their recent response on facebook or twitter. I can't find it now, but they did state that they would like their phones to be more dev friendly
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Actually, the link is in the first post(OP). that is at least promising
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sciulli999 said:
Moto did not have to come out and say this.
What is your reasoning that they will just continue to keep it locked if they outright say they aren't?
and in their statement, who would their "partners" be? The carriers?
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They definitely had a reason to come out and say this. It was a direct response to: http://www.droid-life.com/2011/01/1...er-to-buy-elsewhere-if-they-want-custom-roms/
I don't get the feeling that their willing to unlock any of their current phones. Someone would've said something by now if they were really working with devs.

What's most likely is they will phones through google unlocked but not discounted by the cell companies.
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Protecting users? That line makes it sound like you would have to go out of your way to unlock the bootloaders. Either by giving up warranty rights beforehand, or buying a "development model", at unsubsidized pricing. Either way is reasonable, but as an average joe, I like warranties and cheap/er phones lol
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Well rumor mill is there will be an optional ota that will unlock bootloader. Your warrenty will be void BC it shows on your esn number.
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papi92 said:
Well rumor mill is there will be an optional ota that will unlock bootloader. Your warrenty will be void BC it shows on your esn number.
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Wow, this would be very cool, where are you seeing rumors like this?
If it comes out as an OTA then I'll just wait for the devs to get it and break it apart so we can finally have an unlocked bootloader without having to SBF to get the OTA.
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Just a friend. Its an idea there tossing around you wont need to sbf as its optional and only unlocking bootloader which will show on your esn and void your warranty
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honestly I would take the loss of my manufacturer warranty as long as I still have assurian for lost or damaged I'm cool just give me an unlock option and I would stay with motorola

Im not sure if it voids your whole warrenty. I will have to get back on that as it seems this isn't the set plan yet.
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papi92 said:
Im not sure if it voids your whole warrenty. I will have to get back on that as it seems this isn't the set plan yet.
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Where are you getting your information?

My neighbor is on the team that develops for moto
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Alot of you guys have a good point. However. Papi92 is a liar. Show some proof and ill give u the benefit of the doubt. Till then you are just gonna be a liar in my book
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ksizzle9 said:
Alot of you guys have a good point. However. Papi92 is a liar. Show some proof and ill give u the benefit of the doubt. Till then you are just gonna be a liar in my book
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Do not listen to this man! Look at his post count! "Posts: 666"

is ti really gonna cost me 45 bucks to unlock the G2?

i have unlocked allot of blackberrys and it usually only cost me 9 bucks, i cant believe it costs 45 bucks to unlock ther g2 so i can use it on att.
or am i missing something?

I have heard that if you call your carrier and ask for the unlock code they are legally obliged to give it to you. Now whether or not they will or this is true I don't know. I will try it some time myself I think
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deliriousDroid said:
I have heard that if you call your carrier and ask for the unlock code they are legally obliged to give it to you. Now whether or not they will or this is true I don't know. I will try it some time myself I think
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That is generally true, but there are various loopholes to that. For one, you need to be a current account holder at T-Mobile for them to give you the SIM unlock code. If this is not true for the OP, they don't need to supply it. If they are still a T-Mobile customer, it should be as easy as calling and asking for it. If they ask why, just tell them you are traveling abroad and want to use a foreign SIM. However, I also found the following tidbit on the Vision Wiki:
NOTE: T-Mobile does offer an unlock code to its loyal customers who are traveling overseas. You can call them and request it. However, as the XDA-forums can attest, some people have had difficulty with their codes, causing the phone to be unable to establish a connection to ANY network.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#One_at_a_time._What_is_Subsidy_Unlock_and_why_do_I_want_it.3F
The other free option is just root the phone and unlock the SIM yourself. See the following guide. Subsidy unlock is what you want, but you need to root first.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#Rooting_the_Vision_.28G2.2FDZ.29_and_DHD
As far as the paid unlock option, there are numerous vendors of unlock codes on eBay that charge around $10-20. I haven't used one personally, but others on XDA have used them, and they work. Pick one that has a good seller rating.

I always call T-Mobile Customer Service and tell them am traveling overseas and they always give me that unlock codes.
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Gfree!!!!
Love the Overclocked "nonsense" CM7

tackleberry said:
Gfree!!!!
Love the Overclocked "nonsense" CM7
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+1. Why spend money?
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tackleberry said:
Gfree!!!!
Love the Overclocked "nonsense" CM7
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+1 again
The gfree/rage rooting method automatically SIM-Unlocks the G2/DZ. No need to pay for some code or beg the carrier. If a novice like me can do it, anyone can!

I found the Gfree method extremely easy to really unlock your phone! Forget paying more money!!

david279 said:
+1. Why spend money?
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Some people are averse to rooting, as its been linked to infertility, balding, and thermonuclear war.
Which would explain why I'm bald and infertile

Sorry to hear about that.
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lol rooting breaks you warranty, but who doesnt love breaking those off?????

lainvalenajr said:
I always call T-Mobile Customer Service and tell them am traveling overseas and they always give me that unlock codes.
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this, ill be doing it again with my phone in the next month when i go to ukraine

nonione said:
lol rooting breaks you warranty, but who doesnt love breaking those off?????
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For someone who bought a used G2, I had no warranty considerations, and rooted my phone the first day I had it.

nonione said:
lol rooting breaks you warranty, but who doesnt love breaking those off?????
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That's why you unroot.

T-Mobile unlock

Hey guys I'm a noob you'll probably find that out as you read on. Anyhow I was wondering what the legal risks are with unlocking a T-Mobile phone using something like gfree. Also could it like change my plan or anything like that? Sorry If I'm confusing
Thanks in advance
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You can potentially loose your warranty and that usually doesn't even happen. That's about all that will happen, you will however become addicted to flashing and may loose your wife because of it lol!!!!
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Hahah I'm only fifteen so I don't have i worry about that yet(; I've been flashing many roms since I permarooted I just don't know whether or not to unlock.
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perhac89 said:
Hahah I'm only fifteen so I don't have i worry about that yet(; I've been flashing many roms since I permarooted I just don't know whether or not to unlock.
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Unlock it, you can call always T-Mobile and they unlock it for you. It just takes a couple of days
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I think ill adb push gfree in a little. Thanks for the info!
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I CANCELLED my tmo account, wife is deployed, they WAVED the early termination fee.. I called back WEEKS LATER and asked for unlock code and I had it within a week FREE, even though I was NOT A CURRENT TMO customer....

mark manning said:
Unlock it, you can call always T-Mobile and they unlock it for you. It just takes a couple of days
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I asked T-Mobile for the unlock code on Tuesday afternoon. The unlock e-mail was in my inbox on Wednesday morning.

Should I get the RAZR m?

I took my RAZR i back for a refund today, after realising I couldn't put Cyanogenmod on it. I am now looking at the RAZR m, it looks like the same phone except no intel processor and 4G capability. Would I be able to put CM on there? Some say it is not possible to unlock the bootloader?
Since it is not available in the UK, I will need to buy it from the US. I've found a few unlocked versions on ebay, but they are unlocked to GSM networks. Does this mean my Three sim card won't be compatible? Will I be able to access 3G/4G?
Thanks

It is possible to use a RAZR M on UK GSM networks, but you will only get up to 3g speeds.
As for CM, you should find out what software version the phone is on if you plan on buying it secondhand.
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Sure. Get it. Why not.
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What software version would I want?

jjl5590 said:
What software version would I want?
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just make sure the build date is prior to 5/2013

The software version is crucial. If it is from July, then you do NOT want it. Otherwise, you can say goodbye to the latest CM versions and other Roms.
Make sure if you do find the right version, that you unlock that phone immediately before an OTA screws your chances of unlock.
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CrocadileUT78 said:
The software version is crucial. If it is from July, then you do NOT want it. Otherwise, you can say goodbye to the latest CM versions and other Roms.
Make sure if you do find the right version, that you unlock that phone immediately before an OTA screws your chances of unlock.
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Damn, i bought one off ebay without asking that question, i'll try and find out

jjl5590 said:
Damn, i bought one off ebay without asking that question, i'll try and find out
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If you bought it new, chances are its still on 4.1.1, which means you can unlock.
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Leraeniesh said:
If you bought it new, chances are its still on 4.1.1, which means you can unlock.
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Unfortunately I bought it used on ebay, but the seller told me he's almost positive it was manufactured before July 2013. Hopefully it will be ok, otherwise I will have to sell it.

jjl5590 said:
Unfortunately I bought it used on ebay, but the seller told me he's almost positive it was manufactured before July 2013. Hopefully it will be ok, otherwise I will have to sell it.
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ask him for a screenshot of the "about phone" screen

jco23 said:
ask him for a screenshot of the "about phone" screen
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I did but he told me he'd already posted it. Since it's a used phone, what do you reckon the chances would be that I can unlock the bootloader and put on CM?

jjl5590 said:
I did but he told me he'd already posted it. Since it's a used phone, what do you reckon the chances would be that I can unlock the bootloader and put on CM?
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Slim. You'll just have to hope he hasn't updated, or return it if he has.
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Leraeniesh said:
Slim. You'll just have to hope he hasn't updated, or return it if he has.
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Oh no
And after I took back my RAZR i for the very same reason! Just cant win.
Could this be of any help? http://www.droid-life.com/2013/04/0...zr-m-and-atrix-hd-bootloader-unlock-released/

jjl5590 said:
Oh no
And after I took back my RAZR i for the very same reason! Just cant win.
Could this be of any help? http://www.droid-life.com/2013/04/0...zr-m-and-atrix-hd-bootloader-unlock-released/
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That is the unlock method that Moto patched in May.
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jjl5590 said:
I did but he told me he'd already posted it. Since it's a used phone, what do you reckon the chances would be that I can unlock the bootloader and put on CM?
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well, if the seller claims that the bootloader is unlocked, then I would hold him to it. if you get it, and the bootloader is not, then you have a legitimate gripe and can return it.

jco23 said:
well, if the seller claims that the bootloader is unlocked, then I would hold him to it. if you get it, and the bootloader is not, then you have a legitimate gripe and can return it.
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Unfortunately the seller did not know. This is the phone that I bought in question:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/300983138928?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2648

jjl5590 said:
Unfortunately the seller did not know. This is the phone that I bought in question:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/300983138928?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2648
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hmmm.... it may. not 100% sure if "global unlock" means that he has already unlocked the bootloader to allow global use, or simply rooted it to allow global access.... or something else.
I did not see a screenprint of the phone settings from the listing, so I guess you are at a "wait and see" point. certainly, when you first turn it on, check the "about phone" section - and do NOT accept any OTA updates.
good luck

Get moto x... I'm using Razr M xt905 and it's a great little phone but boring...
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pjcons said:
Get moto x... I'm using Razr M xt905 and it's a great little phone but boring...
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The moto x is significantly more expensive than an XT907, and for the price, the XT907 is worth every penny.
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Leraeniesh said:
The moto x is significantly more expensive than an XT907, and for the price, the XT907 is worth every penny.
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sooooo, are you saying the XT907 is worthless or priceless? j/k
not really sure what the other guy was referring to about it being "boring".... what are you expecting from a cell phone, a lap dance? a phone is a phone - the difference is what you make of it.

Bootloader Unlock Method?

Expert opinion and tester for this
http://sigmakey.com/en/Sigma-News/Sigma-Software-v.2.10.01.html

hazam1992 said:
Expert opinion and tester for this
http://sigmakey.com/en/Sigma-News/Sigma-Software-v.2.10.01.html
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some more info

It should work, but is going to be over $100. It spoofs the IMEI to be one that is unlockable by Motorola, unlocks it, and then reverts back to your old IMEI.
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Shouldn't we be able to spoof the imei without paying $100 for some hardware?
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The biggest problem with that is the fact XDA would not stand for this method.
Spoofing the imei could be seen as immoral as would tricking Motorola.
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I don't think morality really would be the issue there, as refusing to fix a flawed last firmware or even making it high impossible to put your own on us immoral enough by Motorola. But isn't spoofing the imei illegal in the US? I think the main issue.
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Tinkering with IMEI is not allowed I.e. against XDA rules...

I thought so. Pity that's the way we would have to go about unlocking the boot loader.
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rahimali said:
Tinkering with IMEI is not allowed I.e. against XDA rules...
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Really? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1734558 Than why this??

harisnana said:
Really? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1734558 Than why this??
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there's a bit of a discussion on it here and a moderator has also commented on said discussion here. regardless, if you're feeling lucky, go ahead...

where would one get an unlockable IMEI?

I would assume from Motorola directly.
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hazam1992 said:
where would one get an unlockable IMEI?
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By purchasing a device that is eligible to be unlocked by Moto.

Well that's redundant....

hazam1992 said:
Well that's redundant....
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It's not ethical to obtain an unlockable IMEI, probably even illegal.