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Hi everyone, today this happened for the second time since i own the phone, i woke up unlocked the phone and boom no 3g icon and no internet ofcource. I knew if i played with the settings it would work, the first time that happened i had to select auto internet settings and it would come up..today it didnt work.. i had to switch the phone to gsm mode only and then back to gsm\wcdma for it to work..It is a very strange problem, just wondering if anyone knows whats causing this is it software or is it hardware? Any input would be appreciated.
I'm having the same issue...seems like it started this morning, and I don't recall doing anything different...
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I had the same problem a couple of days ago. Rebooting the phone didnt help. After a night sleep it worked fine again..
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Yes i also didnt do anything different..And yes rebooting doesnt help only switching to gsm only and then back to gsm/wcdma works for me. Wondering if its a provider issue like Fido, Rogers etc.. or maybe the sim card itself. Really dont know but i think its software related since it starts working after playing with the settings.
Well I know the iPhone 3G, 3GS, the Galaxy S and the X10 all do this exact thing on the Optus network.
Are any of you running juice defender etc?
I have the same problem all the time, and I'm on Optus network ..
I had this happen to me as well today, woke went to take my sons to their bus stop and noticed I didn't have data, got home messed around with the settings doing the gsm then back to gsm/wcdma and all was fine. I thought it was just a fluke but i guess not. Oh and I'm not running juice defender.
It happened to me and the wife today also. Couldn't make outgoings calls for a while either. Seems we are all on the Rogers network. Lets hope its them and not our phones.
It is definetely happening to me too. And I'm living in Turkey.
I have to switch between GSM and WCDMA to get it working again
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I found juice defender use to mess up a lot and wouldn't enable my data.
Just to point out i dont use juice defender and i am on fido.
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I was playing around with JuiceDefender and BatteryFu, but the problem started after I uninstalled them.
Also, everything seems fine now...That was weird haha.
So today I sent out a picture message to my wife while my WiFi calling was enabled. (I don't have a good signal at my house so this is the only way I can do this from home without moving around looking for a signal) Every time I tried sending the message I got a "g" pop up on the status bar next to my wifi signal bar. I tried rebooting because it wouldn't send and it still didn't work. I then set it down and ignored it and it finally wend, but maybe about 10 minutes later.
The other issue I just has been happening the last couple of days is the app just shuts down when the screen is sleeping. I set my phone down and come back 20 minutes later and the icon is missing. I go into the app to restart it but is says it's on, but trying to connect and it won't connect until I reboot. Just now I had an error message stating I wasn't connected to the tmobile network and had to sign in (or something like that) I rebooted and everything connected back up.
Anyone else had this happen to??
The whole mms thing is not an issue. it sends mms using your data connection to prevent something but i cant remember what. Take a look at the wifi calling thread i know it was addressed already.
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I think your WiFi calling shutdown when the screen went sleep because you may have WiFi set to sleep when the screen shuts off.
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I think your WiFi calling shutdown when the screen went sleep because you may have WiFi set to sleep when the screen shuts off.
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I have it set to be on all the time.
mine does the same thing i just reboot everything is good not a big deal for me
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mine does the same thing i just reboot everything is good not a big deal for me
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Rebooting is all fine and dandy, but then I need to have it reroot itself again. And then to overclock it I have to be at my computer.
After looking at the other thread as the first responder suggested it makes sense that the MMS get sent over data connections, so I guess if I need to send an MMS I need to have a good "cell" signal.
i am having the same problem.
from a fresh boot, wifi calling works. but once I shut the screen off, wifi calling is lost and it will not come back until I reboot again.
i am using CM6.1, and I don't know if this is a problem with CM or just the wifi calling app itself
I have this issue as well, wifi icon will go missing, when you opn the app it says that its on...from what ive been hearing, wifi calling doesnt really work that well anyway.
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My Omnia 7 keeps loosing it's 3G connection. To restore it I have to restart the phone. T-Mobile say that this happens from time to time, but it's happening every day now. It's annoying as it stops my push email from being up to date, and of course prevents the use of any internet based services until the phone is restarted.
Has anyone else noticed their phone has switching to GSM?
Had mine for 6 days.Been fine up until today,then I had the same problem.Only the once so far.
Confirm loosing 3G
Confirm loosing 3G connection, and also have phone call failures.
Factory reset did not solve the problem.
Bring it back to shop
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At first this was occasional with my phone, then more frequent, and it's all the time. If I want to use the Internet I have to restart the phone. My house is covered by full HSPA, but the only way to get it is to take the battery out while the phone is switched on. I can sometimes get 3G by a simple restart, which I lasts about 40 minutes.
I like the phone, so I'm going to hold out for a software update. All it needs to do is check available networks and I think that, if this is a wide spread issue, Samsung/Microsoft will fix it. Hope so.
Please post here if you have this issue too.
I have also been having this issue... sometimes it doesnt come back straight away when i restart it but after about 10mins its back.
When I activated it with orange I was told to expect a few txt msg's that would need deleting and the phone restarting... I only got 1 msg, maybe this has something to do with it, maybe the phone hasnt been sent enough updates.
I also have this issue and have done for weeks. Orange couldn't solve it either.
It only happens overnight at home. I either need to reset the phone / rescan available networks or turn flight mode off and on again for the connection to restore.
I was thinking it may be an issue with t-mobile since it only happens at my home where orange signal is poor and i roam over to t-mobile.
If i stay in an area with good Orange signal i don't get the problem.
Good to know i'm not the only one with this problem. It's very annoying!
Hi y'all.
I had the same problem: 3G was lost every time. I was fed up restarting the phone every time, so I looked for another way to get 3G back. I found out that disabling and enabling SIM security (phone > setttings) got me 3G again... for a short while.
But: after disabling SIM security permanently, 3G kept on going (in fact for over a week now).
I think that changing the PIN to some other number, might cause this. I haven't yet tried changing it to the default PIN again, to see if using that for SIM security solves it. For the moment I'm too happy it works again.
I have suffered from poor reception issues ever since I got my Omnia 7.
It seems like the reception comes and goes. I will receive e-mails, which proves that the phone has been connected, but as soon as I try to use data myself, by visiting a web page or refreshing an app like facebook, the reception disappears and the "no reception" symbol drops down from the status bar.
Also, often when I try to send an SMS, it will appear to have been sent, yet 10 minutes later I will receive a "Can't send...try again" message. Once I have received this, the SMS will never successfully send. However, in the meantime I can receive SMS messages, which shows that the phone has been getting a signal.
This is SO frustrating and is ruining my experience with the phone.
I have posted requests on the Microsoft Answers forum and the only suggestions have been to reset the phone or turn WiFi off. Neither of these have had any effect. I have never enabled SIM lock.
I have heard that there is a firmware update due soon which includes a new radio stack. I am desperately hoping that this will improve the situation, as at the moment I cannot rely on my Omnia 7 as my only phone.
Alex.
Hi Loco,
You are right in saying that social answers doesn't really help much .
Luckily there IS a new firmware from a couple of days ago! Check out the Omnia 7 Dev section. There are only a few posts.
And here is also a good link for you. You are right to assume that it comes with a new radio stack which improves on performance.
http://wmpoweruser.com/new-samsung-omnia-7-firmware-and-news-of-a-keyboarded-omnia-8-leaks/
Finally found a thread on this... I have been having a similar problem since I got my phone from Optus here in Australia. I took it back and they replaced it for me but the new phone is exactly the same. I don't lose the 3G icon but anything data related just ceases from loading. Right now I'm trying to refresh the Facebook app and it just comes up with 'Unable to connect', even though I have full 3G reception.
I flashed it to the newer leaked firmware and it hasn't changed anything, problem still persists unfortunately. This is a major problem that isn't getting enough attention! It seems quite widespread and Omnia 7 specific.
Had similar problems, but after I changed my provider ( O2-Germany), 3G is stable.
For the people having this problem, have you tried setting the phone to prefer 3g? Details of how to do this are here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=915813
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Finally found a thread on this... I have been having a similar problem since I got my phone from Optus here in Australia. I took it back and they replaced it for me but the new phone is exactly the same. I don't lose the 3G icon but anything data related just ceases from loading. Right now I'm trying to refresh the Facebook app and it just comes up with 'Unable to connect', even though I have full 3G reception.
I flashed it to the newer leaked firmware and it hasn't changed anything, problem still persists unfortunately. This is a major problem that isn't getting enough attention! It seems quite widespread and Omnia 7 specific.
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Same here man. On Optus and my reception sucks with this device. What the hell is samsung doing? FIX IT!
I have been having this problem with my Omnia 7. The frustrating thing is this is a replacement phone I had for an LG which I had replaced THREE TIMES due to random resets. So now I have a phone that I have to turn off and on EVERY MORNING in order for the data connection to start working again. Needless to say I am very frustrated. I am on Orange in the UK. I suspect it could be related to when being an a poor reception area and it tries to switch to tmobile. I am going to try turning roaming off. Please, if anyone finds a solution to this let me know.
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I have been having this problem with my Omnia 7. The frustrating thing is this is a replacement phone I had for an LG which I had replaced THREE TIMES due to random resets. So now I have a phone that I have to turn off and on EVERY MORNING in order for the data connection to start working again. Needless to say I am very frustrated. I am on Orange in the UK. I suspect it could be related to when being an a poor reception area and it tries to switch to tmobile. I am going to try turning roaming off. Please, if anyone finds a solution to this let me know.
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My problem got worse with the Mango update. I'm now on my 2nd handset after having a replacement from Orange warranty. This one still loses it's connection but much less frequently.
TBH i don't think it will ever get fixed. I started an MS Answers thread months ago and lots of people had the same problem but we never got a response from MS.
Conisdering the age of the model now I doubt Samsung care, well they didn't seem to care a year ago so they won't now... For this reason I will not buy another Samsung phone. It's infuriating.
Looks like I am stuck with it until December then when I can upgrade to a Nokia lumia. A long wait :-(
i have this issue, too.. but for me i only have to set airplane mode on and off. sometimes i deactivate data connection, go to a random website, get the 'no connection' error, then activate data connection back and it works.
however, after installing the latest drivers & firmware, i get this issue A LOT less frequent. like once in 2-3 days.
i hope ms or samsung will fix this because it can get really annoying. especially when you need eg. a quick google-search..
Just flicking the flight mode wouldn't be so bad but that doesn't work for me, I have to restart the phone each time. I love WP7 but this and the other problems with the LG is driving me nuts. Almost wondering whether I should have just followed the crowd and gone for an iPhone.
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Just flicking the flight mode wouldn't be so bad but that doesn't work for me, I have to restart the phone each time. I love WP7 but this and the other problems with the LG is driving me nuts. Almost wondering whether I should have just followed the crowd and gone for an iPhone.
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Same as me - Flicking flight mode on-off doesn't solve it, needs a soft-reset.
Like I say, there are quite a few with Omnias on Orange with this problem.
I'm in the same boat, I've had this for months now so I guess I'll just deal with it until I can upgrade the start of April and get a Lumia (hopefully the EU 900/910 will be here by then!). There is no way on this earth Samsung are getting any more of my money. Nokia seem fully commited so they can take my cash next time!
I have the same problem with the data stopping working on o2 in the UK. But I also sometimes cant receive calls even though the phone has service, then there are the times where it site there going GPRS/3G/3G+/No Service and you cant do anything with it apart from pull the battery.
Hey guys,
This is actually my first post here but I do A LOT of reading on this forum.
I didn't quite find anything regarding my question (or at least a solid answer), however, so I've decided to post it up.
Has anyone else experienced a sudden loss of data from time to time out of nowhere?
I go from having Full Green 3G bars to grey bars out of the blue. I've heard the green bars is to let you know that you are connected to Google services but I am not able to access anything that uses data.
For instance, when I open up the browser, I receive an error telling me there is no network connection. When I open up anything else that uses a data connection, Market, News, etc, I receive the same error about there not being a connection.
This would make sense if I was moving and going in and out of service areas, but it happens when the phone is simply sitting on my desk and not moving at all. I usually use it to listen to Pandora while at work and have noticed that the songs cut in and out due to this sudden loss of a data connection.
I went from a Nexus One to the Nexus S and have never, not once, lost my full 3G bars in this same exact location. I personally believe its a software bug of some kind and have high hopes for it being fixed in the future. The N1 had similar issues when it first launched and Google / T-Mo were able to remedy that for the most part.
I am actually on my third Nexus S because the first two had some type of hardware issue; the first one's back button didn't work or light up and the second one had a blown ear speaker and would sound like a blown speaker in a car. As an early adopter, I expected this, so it didn't bother me in the least bit.
ALL of them did the same thing, so I know it is not just limited to my exact phone. This is definitely something with the Nexus S in general (or the current build of Gingerbread).
Can anyone shine some light on this situation? Thanks in advance and keep up the great work here guys!
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UPDATE: Here are a few steps that I have taken in order to solve my sudden loss of data issue. I'm not guaranteeing this will work for you, but it has worked for me and a couple of users here on the forum.
Do the following:
Activate / Use the Sim Card that came with the phone (this is to ensure you are using the latest sim cards)
Make sure you have a 4G internet plan. (No t-zones, No web2go -- FULL internet only)
Call T-Mobile and have ask them to Reset your phone with their Towers
Here's a more technical explanation posted by Johoja:
1) Having network selection set to manual ( i.e selecting 302490 or TMOBILE) will result in No Service on a reboot. Solutions: - Have to cycle airplane mode to get it to pick up service (can be done with automatically tasker) - OR Use automatic network selection. (you can force wcdma only but that will reset the SMSC which is annoying if you go in and out of wind away/home areas and you want to roam.)
2) Being in a area with no service for extended periods of time 5+minutes(subway, basement, etc) will result in a dead baseband, meaning once you come into an area with service the phone will not reacquire signal, airplane mode will not work as the baseband is now crashed, cant maunally search for a network. Have to reboot to get signal. Solutions: -Use tasker to cycle airplane mode on and off when in no service areas i.e) search signal 4 minutes, airplane mode on 10 minutes. This will keep the baseband from crashing and possibly save battery. -Use NoBars to accomplish thesamething ( taskergivesyou a bitmore flexibilty of course but harder to use) http://www.appbrain.com/app/nobars-b...omdryer.nobars - Use airplane edit to avoid turning wifi/bt off when airplane mode is on. http://www.appbrain.com/app/airplane...kalti.airplane
3) WCDMA perferred does not work. - No solution
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google+Mobile/thread?tid=747f398a6c1bb2b9&hl=en&start=40:
I read one users response on a different thread regarding something similar to the issue that I am having.
They said T-Mobile told them to get a newer sim card and that this may remedy the problem. In my case, this has been the only constant in the 3 phones that I have been through. I have had the same sim card for about 3 years or so now.
I will try activating the sim card that came in the box with T-Mo to see if this remedies the problem. Since I'm at work right now I will have to try when I get home later.
Does anyone think this will have any affect what-so-ever?
The galaxy s phones when first released, all variants, had issues of signal dropping from full to zero bars while sitting in one place. I remember because there were YouTube videos of it All over and it was shortly after the apple antenna issue.
Not sure if or how it was ever resolved. But it seems that Samsung may just have this type of radio baseband performance if we see all these individual units doing this. I don't know maybe others can respond.
I have the same issue as the OP. I travel to the same location weekly with NEXUS ONE, signal never drops in the T-MO Country here locally, and streaming CNET POD CAST never a hiccup, however, with the new NEXUS S, I would lose DATA Connection only, while the 3G will show full signal. I had to reboot the phone to get the DATA back.
is it the S issue or 2.3 issue?
food for though....
If you have T-zones or Web2go or Phones 1st web, you will have problems
I had the same problem too, now I fixed the problem. The thing was that had the wrong data plan on the NS, i had my old web plan from my hd2 which seems like different from the one for the NS. I restarted my phone after 5 mins off and now i have my internet working beautifly. A T-Mobile rep said that it was an error in the system that made the phone think that that was the right plan for the NS for a few. A glitch you may say, but all you have to do is put the right data plan that all, easy. Hope this helped and have a wonderful holidays everyone.
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this is happening to me too, last night for a little while and today for about hte last 4 hours can't get connection back. i have full white bars, with 3g icon but can't access anything
So I activated the new sim card last night and I'm still having the same problem. Albeit it doesn't happen as frequent, but it still does it nonetheless.
I will call T-mo again to verify my plan. I am on a 1500 Minute Family Plan which includes unlimited data and messages. I will see if they need to tweak something and let you guys know if this remedies the problem.
Ok, it seems like the issue has been resolved after I spoke to T-Mobile earlier today.
The rep on the phone verified that the data plan I was on was in fact the correct one. He said he was going to reset the signal from the towers to my phone to see if this would resolve the issue. He asked me to turn my phone off for about 15 seconds after we hung up.
Since then, I haven't seen the problem arise again so my guess is that it somehow fixed whatever was going on.
I'll let you guys know if this changes and the problem occurs again.
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I have the same issue as the OP. I travel to the same location weekly with NEXUS ONE, signal never drops in the T-MO Country here locally, and streaming CNET POD CAST never a hiccup, however, with the new NEXUS S, I would lose DATA Connection only, while the 3G will show full signal. I had to reboot the phone to get the DATA back.
is it the S issue or 2.3 issue?
food for though....
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What's with the CAPS? ?
On topic: i have a captivate and I can confirm that all galaxy S phones had droppend data. An official ota update fixes it so maybe you guys need to wait for something official. Isn't there a new firmware for the nexus S already? Try flashing that and see if you still have issues.
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Doesn't every android phone from samsung have this problem?
I know the Moment has that problem, after 3 updates samsung called it quits, I still have to reboot mine 2 to 3 times a day for data lockups.
@timur525 Yea, I'm already on 2.3.1.
I manually updated the first hour it came out hoping that it would solve the issue. The problem was still there after the update.
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I have exactly the same issue as the OP. Extremely annoying to reboot the phone every time it happens. One thing I have noticed is that my phone doesn't know its number. If I go to settings, about phone, the number says unknown.
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I have exactly the same issue as the OP. Extremely annoying to reboot the phone every time it happens. One thing I have noticed is that my phone doesn't know its number. If I go to settings, about phone, the number says unknown.
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That shouldn't affect anything. My number shows up in status.
I had this issue resolved a few months ago as the push-to-talk app Tikl requires this in order to use it.
I was having the problem even with my number showing up. Call T-Mobile and have them reset you with the towers like they did for me and see if that helps you too.
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I posted about this same issue on wrong section of the forum. Ive had this issue ever since samsung vibrant. I have applanet installed on my phone and some of the app that i installed accessed my apn and totally changed my apn setting to "Sirious application disabled.epc.tmobile" or something like that so i wyped everthing off from the phone and so far i havent had the issue ever since yesterday. Also i had the locale and language setting to korean so im thinking that might be causing it also.
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Doesn't every android phone from samsung have this problem?
I know the Moment has that problem, after 3 updates samsung called it quits, I still have to reboot mine 2 to 3 times a day for data lockups.
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That's what I remember too. I think its just an issue with the radio Samsung uses in all their phones. Might not be a way to fix it if even their new phones like the nexus s still have this issue. They prob would have tweakdd it by now if they could.
Same problem here. Xmas eve on shift and I have a phone that had no connection whatsoever (not even phone capabilities) this may be the one thing that takes the phone back. (If it happens again)
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Same problem here. Xmas eve on shift and I have a phone that had no connection whatsoever (not even phone capabilities) this may be the one thing that takes the phone back. (If it happens again)
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Have you called T-Mobile to see if they can give you a reset to the towers?
I had this done yesterday afternoon and haven't had the problem again since.
Also, if you'really using an old sim, I would suggest activating the one the phone came with just to be on the safe side.
If that doesn't help you then I would at least wait until just before your return period ends to see if there will be an update to address the issue.
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Never had this problem with the captivates I've had.
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Doesn't every android phone from samsung have this problem?
I know the Moment has that problem, after 3 updates samsung called it quits, I still have to reboot mine 2 to 3 times a day for data lockups.
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Have you called T-Mobile to see if they can give you a reset to the towers?
I had this done yesterday afternoon and haven't had the problem again since.
Also, if you'really using an old sim, I would suggest activating the one the phone came with just to be on the safe side.
If that doesn't help you then I would at least wait until just before your return period ends to see if there will be an update to address the issue.
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Ill give them a call on Sunday
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Got my phone two weeks ago and I'm getting a problem with my search button. it keeps going off by itself like some one is pressing them and the speak now screen come up.
Any one else here having the same issue? Theres people in the internet also having the same problem but so far no answers.
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I have this problem too but it only seems to happen intermittently when I am in an area with a poor signal (1 or less bars).
I've also taken to restarting my phone every day or two and It hasn't happened in awhile.
I had this problem with mine and when I looked it up it seemed I wasn't the only one. Most people seemed to think it was a hardware issue. I exchanged my nexus for a new one and the problem is gone so I guess it was hardware.
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I got fed up so I called in for a new one sent to me. I hope this one is problem free!
It happens randomly but yes it seems to happen more when the signal is low.
I may have found the problem but not a solution. I noticed when playing with the phone that its always in Roaming mode. If you go to:
Settings>Wireless & Networks Settings>Mobile networks>
you will see that the "Data Roaming" feature is ENABLED which I believe has to be on since the phone is unlocked and you wont get data service if that is not enabled(for me anyway). Try Disabling this feature and just connect with a Wi-fI and play around with the phone. See if the issue still occurs. Mine stopped with this feature disabled and only comes back when it is enabled. The phone however is useless if this feature is not enabled if I'm not around any wi-fi.
Let me know if I'm right. Maybe someone good can create some sort of fix. looks like a software/program issue?
Having the same problem with my Droid X. Seems to be a software issue that is affecting Nexus S phones in Canada most severely, but also Droid X phones in the USA.
I'd include the link to the Google support forum thread but I'm too new of a user...
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I got fed up so I called in for a new one sent to me. I hope this one is problem free!
It happens randomly but yes it seems to happen more when the signal is low.
I may have found the problem but not a solution. I noticed when playing with the phone that its always in Roaming mode. If you go to:
Settings>Wireless & Networks Settings>Mobile networks>
you will see that the "Data Roaming" feature is ENABLED which I believe has to be on since the phone is unlocked and you wont get data service if that is not enabled(for me anyway). Try Disabling this feature and just connect with a Wi-fI and play around with the phone. See if the issue still occurs. Mine stopped with this feature disabled and only comes back when it is enabled. The phone however is useless if this feature is not enabled if I'm not around any wi-fi.
Let me know if I'm right. Maybe someone good can create some sort of fix. looks like a software/program issue?
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Its not tied to roaming but to 3G. In your case turning roaming off turns of 3G.
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Over in the google forums, google has admited to the problem and will push out an ota to fix. No timeline
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Same problem here.. search button keeps triggering by itself. I see the button going on and off.. Trying to de-activate / unmap the button.. :silly:
Nexus S (Canada Rogers)
4.1.1 Cyanogenmod CM9 Final
Flipst4r said:
Got my phone two weeks ago and I'm getting a problem with my search button. it keeps going off by itself like some one is pressing them and the speak now screen come up.
Any one else here having the same issue? Theres people in the internet also having the same problem but so far no answers.
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Had the problem last year on stock gingerbread with radio KB3, seemed to go away when fiddling with radio settings.
Have it again this year with ICS. Using radio KB3.
Notice when travelling in/out coverage zones. (Right at the edge, when coverage is weakest.)
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Supposedly a fix here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1815071
It doesn't provide a fix for us but there is a whole solution thread by the Samsung Fascinate section that seems to work!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1551580
Since one of the solution is a kernel fix, maybe you can get one of the nice kernel developer to look at it to see if they can include it within their custom kernel