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Sorry guys , if you think this is gonna be flamed again please close it, just wanna give my little point of view,
I miss the benchmark coz at least it can guide me of which to choose ,
it 's useful for guiding and the rest i can judge myself , i will not complain anyone no matter the rom is good or not , thank you all the cookers , this place is Amazing.........
please do not get me wrong in anyway. i just really miss the benchmarks
hope many flashaholic loves this too, sometimes i flash 2 or 3 times a day from almost every rom ,Duttys, L26, Miri, Lost in Asia, Xant, Topix... enjoy..
koong32 said:
Sorry guys , if you think this is gonna be flamed again please close it, just wanna give my little point of view,
I miss the benchmark coz at least it can guide me of which to choose ,
it 's useful for guiding and the rest i can judge myself , i will not complain anyone no matter the rom is good or not , thank you all the cookers , this place is Amazing.........
please do not get me wrong in anyway. i just really miss the benchmarks
hope many flashaholic loves this too, sometimes i flash 2 or 3 times a day from almost every rom ,Duttys, L26, Miri, Lost in Asia, Xant, Topix... enjoy..
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Benchmark actually do not say anything about the ROM in everyday use. Stability. overall speed are iumportant factors when it comes down to choosing a ROM. None of these are properly reflected by a benchmark.
Not to mention that the benchmarks are flawed at best anyhow. The 'fastest' ROM out there was so crowned due to the filesystem being 'two times faster' than average - I don't know about you all but I don't spend a lot of time using the filesystem as such and any applications that read/write to it generally do enough processing so that the raw RW speed is of little importance anyhow.
I think we would gain a lot more from running real life testing on the various ROMs instead - such as batterylife, 3G/HSDPA handovers, signal strength, crashes/bugs (and yes, the 1922 bugs should be included) etc.
I would also like to see more of a variety between the ROMs. We only need so many releases where the base OS and Manila are exactly the same - I would prefer more UI customization, RemoteTracker implementation and so on.
Well to be honest I too miss benchmarks. And I dont really agree that benchmark doesnt reflect ROM speed. Because it really is faster in everyday use if the numbers are higher (and yes, you cant just look at total rating, but overall ratings invidualy. But thats my opinion
This is what happens when people become precious........the benchmark was nothing more than a handy guide, pity people couldnt control themselves and turned it into a competition.
I too miss benchmarks. I totaly disagree about the argument they don't reflect
real speed... Ever i use the top, i feel that is more fast. Stability is
another talking. It's a thing that you need to test yourself. We have a thread for people say their notes about stability.
People need understand each rom are focused in something... Some are in
beauty, some are in updated programs, some are in speed... etc etc...
Some cookiers try focus in speed, and when they can't be at first do an war against benchmarking. I hope their war against benchmarking does not start again.
the benchmarks were rigged. Good riddance.
so..... pietrucci
please consider to re-open your usfull thread...
Thank you for your hard work, everytime there were rom updated , with in a few days you always updated them ....
** i don't know how to make a poll . if i knew i'll definately make it....
koong32 said:
so..... pietrucci
please consider to re-open your usfull thread...
Thank you for your hard work, everytime there were rom updated , with in a few days you always updated them ....
** i don't know how to make a poll . if i knew i'll definately make it....
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Yes, we need benchmark to guide us to select the rom
daming said:
Yes, we need benchmark to guide us to select the rom
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I think pietrucci posted the instructions, athough possibly just a subset of them... he also posted that he wasn't willing to do it any more so please respect that.
If there is so much interest, feel free to start a new thread between yourselves.
with all respect to him i just wanna tell that i see his work usefull . no matter he would start or stop his thread. anyway i love this place .. the freedom of opinions
Same with me ...pls go on with the bench marking !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Same with me ...pls go on with the bench marking !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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loved the benchmark thread in the HD forums and found the (now outdated) HD2 benchmark thread very useful when i came over to this device
If you like it so much why don't you start a new thread and do it yourself?
How about you dont really post here, your work is done so just dont. We are not telling somebody to do the work and we will not do the work, because if we could, we would do it and not make this thread. We can atleast freely support his work now, cant we?
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How about you dont really post here, your work is done so just dont. We are not telling somebody to do the work and we will not do the work, because if we could, we would do it and not make this thread. We can atleast freely support his work now, cant we?
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I post where I want and I don't need you to tell me what to do. I made the statement because he said he was no longer going to do it. Everybody wants someone else to do the hard work. Also it was never my intention for the benchmarks to close so don't make such a stupid statement.
Not gonna comment about your position in Benchmark closing, but its totaly inappropriately for you to be commenting on this thread. Hower he liked benchmarking and we liked his benchmarking. This thread is like "thank you" and "we will miss you" to him and also "is there any1 who could do the same?" to others. And I wont make another comment here and totaly not gonna argue with you, but you should give it rest.
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Not gonna comment about your position in Benchmark closing, but its totaly inappropriately for you to be commenting on this thread. Hower he liked benchmarking and we liked his benchmarking. This thread is like "thank you" and "we will miss you" to him and also "is there any1 who could do the same?" to others. And I wont make another comment here and totaly not gonna argue with you, but you should give it rest.
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There is nothing to give it a rest about. If someone wants to do the benchmarks in a fair and controlled manor, then fine I commend anyone who can spare that much of their Time. Enough Said
Thanks you appreciate my work (at least most of you). Although it's a lot of work I always enjoyed benching new Roms. But at the end there was so much negativity and competition that it couldn't last any longer obviously so itje closed it down.
I still benhmark but don't publish anymore.
Hi pietrucci,
Dont know about others but i loved your benchmarking. I was admiring how you made all this work just for this comunity to have at least something to judge ROMs. It was great while it lasted.
Did i understand it right that you are continuing all the benchmarking statistic but doesnt publish becuase of negative comments of certain people? If so then now that makes this sad. If they thought benchmark was useless, then they just shouldnt read them. For us who was really interested in all these numbers it was great and we loved it.
Well now I feel better when i know that you are still continuing and you are not bothered by them. Thank you for all the hard work you have done till recently =)
I recently was looking around the forum and saw the same type of question in a Poll about what was the best NON Sense ROM for the HD2. There was some great comments in there and really helped me sort through some of the better ones to run. I wanna hear the same for Sense UI.
Question: What is the best Sense UI Build/Rom for the HD2? Preferably running FroYo of course. We love our Deserts.
I'd love to see everyone's thoughts or input as to what is best, most stable & most feature complete. Just whatever. Please post what's worked best for you.. Thanks!
i would say the most fastest cleanest and most stable clean froyo sense build would have to go to MDJ FroYo Sense Clean v. 2.3.
check it out here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=780525
My favourite is mattc 1.8 w/ sense. It's a little older but with hastarin 8.2 without UVOC it works so smooth and stable.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
I can answer you for the worst threads. I don't like these polls, all builds take a lot of time to make and deserve to be tested.
Mdeejay_eVo_Sense_v._2.3Revolution
i think this one is perfect with hastarin 7.7 and mms patch, pretty similar but with the widescreen photo option (zoom doesn't work) battery only last's about 6 hours of hard use but that's the price yo pay for a super phone.
Yeah btw, I made a thread just like this about best ROMs in the ROM section of the forum.
It got closed down by a mod and I got a PM saying threads asking which ROM is better are not allowed on the forum.
It's really weird I know. :S Surely they'd want threads like this to educate newbies and encourage friendly competition.
It's only to look for opinions and suggestions on what people thinks the best. Doesn't mean some peoples ROM's aren't good. I appreciate anyone's work. But some have things others don't. What works for one might not work for others, but in general we all want a smooth and running system. So this was just a in general question.
I didn't post the other one. Someone else posted that Poll. This was just looking for opinions and thoughts. His was an actual Poll with votes..
Thanks for the input so far guys. I'm still trying to decide what sense rom I'll load first. I've always loved Vanilla and never used Sense. And that is also why I think this question is a "ok" one to ask.
the reason these sorts of threads get closed occasionally is because whatever people answer is their own opinion, nothing can be based on fact. You may like one build that another person dislikes, and most users see threads such as these as pointless.
Last sense build I used was mdeejays desire hd build which has been discontinued now
Just saw this and curious if this will work with our hd2 and hopefully devs aren't too busy trying it....
"What this hack basically does is changing some partition settings (loopback) to increase write performance and to saver power."
[DATA2EXT] [11/Dec] FULL BENCHMARK, V4, Improve the efficiency of IO
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=859419
cedesmith's initrd give a twice iops then normal ramdisk
wondering how much DATA2EXT will give
i saw someone with 9k IOps and the cpu 6k
so drilling
Why nobodyy gives info on whether its going to be released ?
eeeeeee said:
Why nobodyy gives info on whether its going to be released ?
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I think the devs are looking into it for sure.
You must appreciate that the devs are also working for free and share their builds with us.
Nothing stops you from developing your own build and sharing it with us.
I wonder if you would also appreciate it if people would 'demand' something from you.
So sit back, relax and appreciate all this fine work from people that do this in their own free time.
lukesan said:
I think the devs are looking into it for sure.
You must appreciate that the devs are also working for free and share their builds with us.
Nothing stops you from developing your own build and sharing it with us.
I wonder if you would also appreciate it if people would 'demand' something from you.
So sit back, relax and appreciate all this fine work from people that do this in their own free time.
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wow what a fool..
im asking a question whether its going to be released,
i wasnt demanding anything -_-
besides, when i have something to offer to the community, i share it, unlike most of the guys here.
and when i do share, its a huge post just for those who are still noobs
hey guys, i just skimmed through this artical on the portal (http://www.xda-developers.com/android/enter-godmode/)
and i was curious if this is something that would be possible for the hd2? the dev has it built for the evo, i figured this could be something that could be done for us? i'm not familiar with developing, but i figured somebody might know an answer for this?
i would have to say it would be great & im just thinking it could work. what would really need to happen is you would need a good developer to take notice to this thread to see if it can be done on our device.
as far as I understand the idea, something similar seems to be under development for Portadroid (alas only for SD-ROMs users)
with my current testkernel/rom (not released this time) I get higher quadrant scores with data/db/dalvik on ext4 partition (with journal and not oc!)
with distributed i/o and some other tweaks scores >2000 should no problem
I post an youtube video later...
I'm thinking of using another ROM
but first I want to know ur opinions about the one you're using or u think is the best, which one is the unbugiest & fastest one for xoom (wifi only)?
& what really makes the difference in xoom ROMs, cause I didn't see any difference in screen shots, like how u see a big difference between Cyanogen & stock one (in android phones)
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I'm thinking of using another ROM
but first I want to know ur opinions about the one you're using or u think is the best, which one is the unbugiest & fastest one for xoom (wifi only)?
& what really makes the difference in xoom ROMs, cause I didn't see any difference in screen shots, like how u see a big difference between Cyanogen & stock one (in android phones)
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There is really only one custom ROM for the Xoom, made by Team Tiamat, and one variation on that one.
Save for some specific tweaks and added features like overclocking, there is not a massive difference from the stock ROM since the HC source code has not and will not be released.
Therefore it is a little early to start the typical "I have no freaking idea what I am doing, please tell me what I should do and how I should feel so I don't need to think too much" posts, isn't it?
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There is really only one custom ROM for the Xoom, made by Team Tiamat, and one variation on that one.
Save for some specific tweaks and added features like overclocking, there is not a massive difference from the stock ROM since the HC source code has not and will not be released.
Therefore it is a little early to start the typical "I have no freaking idea what I am doing, please tell me what I should do and how I should feel so I don't need to think too much" posts, isn't it?
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That was a good answer, but the last part was a tiny bit harsh, no?
Honestly... the post above hit the nail on the head. Tiamat is the only core ROM for the Xoom as of current because no other teams will want to create a ROM that you cannot do too much with since the Honeycomb source is not out, as the post above said, and it won't be released. Wait for Ice cream sandwich. That's when they will be ready to release the new source. So, ICS should be rooted and custom ROM heaven!
okantomi said:
That was a good answer, but the last part was a tiny bit harsh, no?
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Perhaps, but if you look at other XDA forums such as the SGS forum, there are dozens of these posts a day. People who can't be bothered to read threads and do research but just keep asking what people think is the best, as if that has any real value.
Then when someone answers them, they will ask them to tell them how to flash the selected ROM, still seeing no need to educate themselves.
Next will be the frantic "I bricked my device...help me!" post.
A few days after someone walks them through getting back to stock, they will just post another "Which ROM is best" post.
It becomes an unending cycle. Sure I am probably being unfair to the OP to make a point, but they are being unfair to themselves by not doing their own investigation.
diablo2224 said:
Honestly... the post above hit the nail on the head. Tiamat is the only core ROM for the Xoom as of current because no other teams will want to create a ROM that you cannot do too much with since the Honeycomb source is not out, as the post above said, and it won't be released. Wait for Ice cream sandwich. That's when they will be ready to release the new source. So, ICS should be rooted and custom ROM heaven!
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And to give all due props to Team Tiamat, most of the people with the skills to make a ROM for the Xoom are already part of that team...and they have done about the best anyone could do with without sources.
Even if there are other Devs out there familiar with the Xoom, I doubt any other team will make a ROM since what is there for them to do that isn't already in the Tiamat ROM?
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And to give all due props to Team Tiamat, most of the people with the skills to make a ROM for the Xoom are already part of that team...and they have done about the best anyone could do with without sources.
Even if there are other Devs out there familiar with the Xoom, I doubt any other team will make a ROM since what is there for them to do that isn't already in the Tiamat ROM?
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My point exactly! What more would the devs be able to do or add without the source other than some themes?
Great point about all the best devs being on Team Tiamat. They are working together to make an awesome ROM!
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Perhaps, but if you look at other XDA forums such as the SGS forum, there are dozens of these posts a day. People who can't be bothered to read threads and do research but just keep asking what people think is the best, as if that has any real value.
Then when someone answers them, they will ask them to tell them how to flash the selected ROM, still seeing no need to educate themselves.
Next will be the frantic "I bricked my device...help me!" post.
A few days after someone walks them through getting back to stock, they will just post another "Which ROM is best" post.
It becomes an unending cycle. Sure I am probably being unfair to the OP to make a point, but they are being unfair to themselves by not doing their own investigation.
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You are always so helpful, I'm sorry that you are feeling a bit burnt on all the help you've been giving. I know that I feel a bit frustrated when people clearly don't research before they leap, but I thought the OP was just looking for some opinions.
Anyway, your replies and diablo2224's pretty much wrapped up that topic!
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Perhaps, but if you look at other XDA forums such as the SGS forum, there are dozens of these posts a day. People who can't be bothered to read threads and do research but just keep asking what people think is the best, as if that has any real value.
Then when someone answers them, they will ask them to tell them how to flash the selected ROM, still seeing no need to educate themselves.
Next will be the frantic "I bricked my device...help me!" post.
A few days after someone walks them through getting back to stock, they will just post another "Which ROM is best" post.
It becomes an unending cycle. Sure I am probably being unfair to the OP to make a point, but they are being unfair to themselves by not doing their own investigation.
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funny, but true answer, that's kind of what happened to me in the past month, but I finally broke the circle rules in the pas 3days, so now I'm on my own
diablo2224 said:
My point exactly! What more would the devs be able to do or add without the source other than some themes?
Great point about all the best devs being on Team Tiamat. They are working together to make an awesome ROM!
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without source code,
so all those tablet optimized apps are made by devs by playing with the right resolution & graphic effects for the screen!!?
& since xoom & the others have (almost) the same screen size, it won't be so difficult for developers
anyway, what's wrong with google!!
I just read on wiki that they'll release the source code with ice "cream sandwich" source code, & that's because "cream sandwich" will become an android version both for phones & tablets....
don't u think it's waste of time with doing that? I'm imagining a very boring future for android, think of it, u'll see the same version on all the android smartphones & tablets!!!
seriously, what a boring choice for google
mehras1991 said:
without source code,
so all those tablet optimized apps are made by devs by playing with the right resolution & graphic effects for the screen!!?
& since xoom & the others have (almost) the same screen size, it won't be so difficult for developers
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Umm... ok?
That my friend is for developing apps. Maybe you don't know anything about root or custom Roms? It doesn't work the same way when it comes to developing a custom Rom with special features such as system tweaks. Without the source, the Rom will not see things such as... every single tweak in CyanogenMod! No interface tweaks, multimedia tweaks, no tweaks of any kind! Check out CyanogenMod settings... there are a boat load of tweaks for everything you can think of. As of right now, nothing like that can happen with our Honeycomb tablets without the Honeycomb source code.
Without the source, you have a slighty modified stock Rom experience that can be themed pretty easily...
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Umm... ok?
That my friend is for developing apps. Maybe you don't know anything about root or custom Roms? It doesn't work the same way when it comes to developing a custom Rom with special features such as system tweaks. Without the source, the Rom will not see things such as... every single tweak in CyanogenMod! No interface tweaks, multimedia tweaks, no tweaks of any kind! Check out CyanogenMod settings... there are a boat load of tweaks for everything you can think of. As of right now, nothing like that can happen with our Honeycomb tablets without the Honeycomb source code.
Without the source, you have a slighty modified stock Rom experience that can be themed pretty easily...
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useful info,
thnx
so, do you think we'll have chance to see & try some cool stuffs when "ice cream sandwich" being released!?!?!? orrrr our xoom will be old for that time & we'll have to think of buying something new???
mehras1991 said:
useful info,
thnx
so, do you think we'll have chance to see & try some cool stuffs when "ice cream sandwich" being released!?!?!? orrrr our xoom will be old for that time & we'll have to think of buying something new???
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ICS will be ROM heaven for both root users and devs alike, no doubt about that. No one knows if it will make its way onto our current Xoom's though. Keeping in mind that at Google IO this year, they said something about a time frame for all new Android devices that will keep the selected devices up to date with the most current OS updates and releases. If that's the case, the Xoom was the first Honeycomb tablet/dev tablet... so one would think that the Xoom would be getting the ICS update according the what they said at IO. Again, no one really knows yet as it is still much too early for ICS to officially launch. We'll see if the OG Xoom gets it or else they will end up launching the Xoom 2 as the first ICS device no doubt, because by that time the Xoom will be nearing it's one year mark, meaning... time for a remodel!