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Motorola doesn't want you to flash custom ROMs

Didn't see this anywhere else.
http://androinica.com/2010/07/14/motorola-says-if-you-want-to-flash-custom-roms-buy-from-another-company/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+androinica+%28Androinica+-++A+Google+Android+Blog%29
Yeah, that sucks. Evo ftw!
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Yeah!
Screw all the people who jumped ship to the Droid X just because of some benchmarks that have no real impact on everyday use.

wow, way to copy the at&t/iphone model. tiered data plans and having your flagship phone in a walled garden.
if this isnt proof that the iphone is coming to vzw, then i dont know what is!

Yep, that's why i buy HTC

blazin-asian said:
wow, way to copy the at&t/iphone model. tiered data plans and having your flagship phone in a walled garden.
if this isnt proof that the iphone is coming to vzw, then i dont know what is!
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Don't tell the fanboys that...oh wait Verizon is the CDMA equivalent of AT&T

redrazr7791 said:
Don't tell the fanboys that...oh wait Verizon is the CDMA equivalent of AT&T
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Except you actually get 3G service with Verizon. Atleast they can justify charging more with a great network, AT&T on the other hand...

Verizon has a great network so they can at least justify the extra costs. Not att.
As for the digitally locked boot loader, it cost them my sale. I'll keep my evo and maybe get an epic. If not then something else later in the year.
This is foolish on motorola's part. They are one device off of bankruptcy, the droid saved them and the hacker community saved the droid for many users. Motorola lacks the apple polish so I'm not sure I see the closed system working as well.

Don't much care about DroidX, The EVO is better anyway Seems like people just cling to the droid name similiar as people clinging to iPhone. I got sucked in for a couple days but quickly came to my senses, once you get past the whole "me too" droid moniker you realize the EVO is really where it's at
I have to admit though Verizon really has the advertising down and Android likely would not be where it's at today without them. So I hope the droid x is succesful enough for them to continue the ad campaigns because I am addicted to Android these days!

This is just my opinion of course...
When I went to a local motorola plant to try and buy hardware directly from them, they kinda looked down at met and said they don't sell to the public. Snooty elitest that acted like they were the mafia or something. Christ, the monkey at the desk in the lobby looked like a 350lb bouncer. They had many of their products behind glass cases, but they didn't want my money. I had people I knew that worked at their assembly plants in the past. They said that the way they were treated was like you are just a number and we can easily replace you. They had a employment agency fishing for people to work there. If you messed up on just one thing in the long and tedious interview process, you couldn't reapply for six months. F them! They may have been "good" back in the day, but I think they can take their attitude and stuff it. Even some of the people that are in engineering have the attitude like they're better than everyone else. I don't care that they are slowly dying as a company. They shouldn't care what you use their product for, as long as you are buying their product. Idiots.
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donatom3 said:
Except you actually get 3G service with Verizon. Atleast they can justify charging more with a great network, AT&T on the other hand...
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Aridon said:
Verizon has a great network so they can at least justify the extra costs. Not att.
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Calm down you two. What I meant was the fact that Verizon and AT&T both have their flagship phones locked down.
Also...when I was the Death Star, the 3G service was pretty good. I just couldn't justify the extra $30+ a month.

Never liked Motorola,Verizon nor at&t.but I'm hopeing one day t-mobile and sprint merge together as one carrier and bring out gsm/cdma plus LTE world phones to whip Verizon and at&t.hopefully by 2012.
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I haven't closed my Death Star account yet... but I have to tell you I've had to use my AT&T phone to call Sprint 6 times since I got the phone on launch day. Why? Because my Sprint service was out.
And AT&T's 3G... no comparison. Sprint I'm lucky to get 500kbps consistently. AT&T I get at least 1.5Mbps consistently.

EtherealRemnant said:
And AT&T's 3G... no comparison. Sprint I'm lucky to get 500kbps consistently. AT&T I get at least 1.5Mbps consistently.
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Wow in SF I get 2mbps consistently with Sprint 3G
And I streamed Pandora high-quality without interruption driving from LV to SF. Try to do that with AT&T!

blazin-asian said:
wow, way to copy the at&t/iphone model. tiered data plans and having your flagship phone in a walled garden.
if this isnt proof that the iphone is coming to vzw, then i dont know what is!
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Most future phones are going to be locked down by the companies. That's until the devs get ahold of it. No phone is uncrackable!

It's just big company corporate thinking. They don't give a f if they're almost in the hole; they're out of loop with the rest of the world and most of the all, the end user.

GHOST99K said:
Never liked Motorola,Verizon nor at&t.but I'm hopeing one day t-mobile and sprint merge together as one carrier and bring out gsm/cdma plus LTE world phones to whip Verizon and at&t.hopefully by 2012.
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On that note, there's something I've always dreamed of: A truly universal phone. Pentaband GSM/GPRS/etc., CDMA, WiMax, and LTE. Unreasonable now? Yes. Unreasonable in a year or two? Nope. Especially if the Sprint/T-Mobile merger works out.
I pity people who still have iDEN phones.

markus_del_marko said:
Most future phones are going to be locked down by the companies. That's until the devs get ahold of it. No phone is uncrackable!
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I'm sure Milestone users have a different opinion.

MrDSL said:
I'm sure Milestone users have a different opinion.
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Yeah! Hasn't the Milestone been out for like a year with no luck? Poor guys.... I just hope that all Android phone hardware developers out there are nice enough to let the consumer know if their device will be locked down before it gets released. I would be very sad if I bought a Droid X and didn't know it couldn't be cooked. EVO I love thee.

catpunt said:
Wow in SF I get 2mbps consistently with Sprint 3G
And I streamed Pandora high-quality without interruption driving from LV to SF. Try to do that with AT&T!
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When I had Sprint from 06 to Feb of this year, I got 2+ consistently... their network in Denver is completely shot now. I'm hoping its just because of the upgrades for 4G... But either way, I think its ironic I've had to call Sprint from my ATT phone for tech support.

Why doesn't T-mobile ever step up.....

On things like this to offer their customers.......WTF???
http://phandroid.com/2010/09/03/sprint-to-get-the-samsung-galaxy-tab-this-november/
Even if Sprint does NOT get it why doesn't Tmo say "hey we'll take it!!"

When it comes to agreements between 2 or more business goliaths, I don't think its as simple as we'll take it. Lots of legal matters to get sorted out. Just look at all the drama it took to get the iPhone on AT&T to start with. They battled over details for awhile and still had issues after the release. Don't even wanna go into foreget tablets. Can we at least get a good list of smartphones on T-Mobile? One great phone and one very respectable phone (see Vibrant then MyTouch Slide) does not make for good choices when time to upgrade.

I was extremely excited about this Galaxy Tab, but in reality, the price is kind of a dealbreaker, and as far as I can tell, there is no wi-fi only version. I am not paying for another device on the network.
But as far as why T-mobile doesn't step up: it is just like mmalott says. Contracts have so many intricacies, so many things that have to get ironed out.
But for what it's worth, you don't know that they won't make it available for T-mobile yet. Maybe Samsung will go to all 4 carriers with it, you never know. We'll have to wait and see.

gthmcty1 said:
On things like this to offer their customers.......WTF???
http://phandroid.com/2010/09/03/sprint-to-get-the-samsung-galaxy-tab-this-november/
Even if Sprint does NOT get it why doesn't Tmo say "hey we'll take it!!"
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I guess the G2 doesn't count? WTF is your problem? If you love Sprint so much cancel your contract and go with them.

The price is way to high for what is. For that price I can get a small fully functioning laptop that folds into a touch tablet.
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I'm happy that T-Mo is not trying to get all these first-gen experimental devices but focusing on the few solid and core devices along with providing great services.
This is what a normal consumer really needs.

MilkPudding said:
I'm happy that T-Mo is not trying to get all these first-gen experimental devices but focusing on the few solid and core devices along with providing great services.
This is what a normal consumer really needs.
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So true...

mmalott said:
When it comes to agreements between 2 or more business goliaths, I don't think its as simple as we'll take it. Lots of legal matters to get sorted out. Just look at all the drama it took to get the iPhone on AT&T to start with. They battled over details for awhile and still had issues after the release. Don't even wanna go into foreget tablets. Can we at least get a good list of smartphones on T-Mobile? One great phone and one very respectable phone (see Vibrant then MyTouch Slide) does not make for good choices when time to upgrade.
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that. plus there's the fcc approvals needed for each band/network it supports.

I've seen websites saying Verizon is getting it to, it's not unlikely that they are just releasing on all the carriers like they have with the Galaxy S series. They aren't even out of here yet are they? Didn't this happen before with the Galaxy S series, one company said we are getting it then the others followed?

heygrl said:
I guess the G2 doesn't count? WTF is your problem? If you love Sprint so much cancel your contract and go with them.
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My man/girl where on earth did you get the notion that I was Sprint fan? I have been with Tmo for 7+ years and would not even think about switching services!!! My original point being is why doesn't Tmo "make a play" for things such as the Tablet or even a good , better, best smartphone, even if we do not get them?
Granted given the response by "mmalot" looking at it that way I completely see why Tmo has taken the path it has.
I am happy with Tmo no doubt but I just wish their aggressiveness would equate to a better selection of phone choices, granted the Vibrant which I love is no slouch even with it shortcomings is still a great phone in its own rights.
Regarding a phone such as the G2 which has not come out yet I am sure it will be a worthy opponent I am NOT bashing Tmo I am suggesting that they become slightly more aggressive.
Make sure you have a valid point or even comprehend the statement that is in front of you before you go "bumping your gums" and comment such as you have done.
And in closing I do not have a problem with Tmo as I stated have been a loyal customer for 7+ years (when they were voicestream wireless)and will remain a customer but I like everyone else am entitled to their opinion and I will exercise it at will "heygrl", so please do not try and come at me like I am coming from left field, it was a "freedom of speech" moment.

I do know that a lot of the times the carriers have to bid on the phones/devices that they get. Depending on the manufacturer/device. Would you rather have a g2, mytouch hd, and possibly 2-3 other big devices by the end of the year, or would you rather have a galaxy S that is a little bit larger, without the Super amoled? Do remember that T-Mobile is dropping a ton of funds on rocking out the HSPA+ across the country super fast, and they're the 4th largest carrier. They have to choose a lot more carefully about where to invest then the others.

If someone has a vibrant now, the g2 wil be irrelevant by the time they have to upgrade again. Should not be releasing phones so fast, imo.
Also I may etf my contact and move off android because the fragmentation and slow updates/buggy devices are unbearable.
Almost regret not staying on at&t and getting am iphone. This is ridiculous.
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L8ter n8ter
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Actually it's: l8er n8er, but nice try at being witty without actually responding to the content in my post. These forums seem ripe with trolls.
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AT&T doesn't release an iPhone every year? T-Mobile releases 2 high-end devices within a few months and suddenly they need to slow down... according to other people they need MORE.. just stfu already.

N8ter said:
Actually it's: l8er n8er, but nice try at being witty without actually responding to the content in my post. These forums seem ripe with trolls.
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If you like locked down fancy looking feature phones and a barely working network then ATT is for you, and they'll gladly take your money, enjoy you iPhone 4, we don't care, it's your money

At the end of the day the real reason we're all with tmobile (don't lie) is because of their great plans/ pricing and awesome customer service. If that wasn't the case we'd be all on verizon. I think their approach with the vibrant/g2/faster network this year will play out very well for them.

I hate when people get offended if you tell your opinion about a company. Heygrl the way you reacted on the last page was childish. Grow up, I dont understand why people pledge loyalty to a company then act like blinded fanboys if you tell the truth about them.
T-Mobile obviously needs to step up. Whether they get this tablet or not isn't a dealbreaker for me. Especially if there is no wifi only version. However they need more phones, more high end state of the art phones. Verizon and Sprint are rumored to release 1.5 Ghz phones this year, they are not slouching. The G2's hardware will be completely obsolete by 2011, it will be a new generation of hardware. People seem to think this phone is the best ever because of HSPA+. What happens when you never reach those plateaus of speed and the first dual-core devices drop this year? Gonna feel buyers remorse huh.
It's also rumored that Samsung is working on the Galaxy S2 phone with a 2Ghz processor, 4gb of rom, 1gb ram, super amoled2 and 340ppi. Now THAT'S a revolution, but you ignorant fanboys would never see that because your devoted loyalty to a company makes you think the G2 will be the best phone ever. Such a joke...
HTC has a conference in a week or so, you think their best announcement will be the G2? Come on now. They are working on 1.5-2ghz phones, new battery and screen tech, and dual core devices.
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Even though I don't always agree with Tmobile's business sense I do like their more conservative nature. I don't need 3-5 phones with 2ghz cpus and the latest greatest iPhone at the cost dealing with the stereotypical corporate giant. All I ask for is at least 1 -2 comparable smartphones (MyTouch Slide & Vibrant delivered beautifully), good customer service, and keep your hands out of my pockets. I think T-Mobile has done an outstanding job at doing this. Dealing with Tmo has been a personal experience as compared to dealing with AT&T which was the usual your-the-little-guy thing.
Tmo has left me in wonder plenty of times. Where I live just got 3g but they were trying to sell me a 3G phone prior to that? Why are you guys selling the MyTouch Slide for only $20 less then the Vibrant? Am I missing something there? You guys are rolling out 4G!? But... there's plenty of places that don't even have coverage, EDGE, or 3G yet? Just some of the things that make me scratch my head sometimes but in the end, AT&T and Verizon don't leave me with the satisfaction that T-Mobile does.
Personally I don't want or need 20 smartphones to choose from. Too many problems for the network, the consumer, and the manufactures which will leave more often then not unhappy under the quantity over quality method of thinking.
At the end of the day its your choice based on your experiences and opinion. And this is a forum where people voice experiences and opinion. Just wish people could be more civilized about it so that others can hear/read them without the annoying gibberish.

I guess the real reason that people are so upset with T-mobile is because T-mobile was the first with an android phone and the first with the Google Nexus One phone, and they have lost that crown.
After Sprint got the HTC Hero, T-mobile wasn't the only android carrier anymore, and when Verizon got the Droid, they decided to buy up 95% of the high-end android smart-phones for the next 1.5 years.
AT&T rode iPhone popularity to the top. T-mobile failed to do this with Android. Looking at Android growth & popularity, locking up a few high end exclusives over the next 2-3 years could have propelled T-mobile into 3rd place in terms of subscribers. If I were to guess, then I would say that this is the reason why the CEO got the boot.
T-mobile is not doing that bad...what they aren't doing is beating out the competition with any of their handsets. Everything they release is done bigger or better by another carrier.
Its not as exciting as a 4G release, or a heavily marketed branded line of android phones like Verizon does... but clear away the smoke and mirrors and you'll have to admit that T-mobile is probably tied for 2nd at best (with Sprint), or at worst 3rd overall on android handsets.
The only thing they are missing is a 4.3" high end device to be the definitive 2nd place android carrier.
As for being #1... it won't ever happen. Verizon has 3x the subscribers and charges 20% more for service. They have the cash to burn to stay on top in terms of handset selection.... which they pretty much have to because iPhone lovers will never leave AT&T until the handset is available elsewhere

Good Bye S(n)exus One.

Please forgive me if im in the wrong category. It said 'general' so I figured.
So today I found out my dad will be switching us from Tmobile to Sprint. I was sad to hear that my Nexus One will no longer be my best friend, instead my dad chose to pick up the Epic 4g. We will be switching this Friday. I was a little upset because of the large rumored release of the Nexus S. And the fact that the Epic, according to the sprint Rep, was on 2.1 unlike my current 2.2.1 nexus.he said it will be updated around the holidays. I asked him if the updates will continue without being held back by the carrier, he said yes and that sprint hasn't held anything back yet. I was unsure if this was true or not, my dad gave me hardly anytime to do more research on sprint and their phones so I went off of things I already knew.
The Rep was nice, spoke to him over the phone, while my dad and brother were at the sprint store with him.
I don't think he could comprehend how a 16yo could know so much I asked him if we had 4g in south Carolina and he answered no. I asked an estimate of how long it will be until we get 4g he said 6 months. So that's $60 I will be paying for nothing. (Mandatory 10$ for 4g speeds). I also mentioned my custom roms and root, which he knew about but seemed confused when I ventured further into the topic ( I get excited when talking about Technology and tend to go overboard.) Anyways his main sale tactic was:
"you will get unlimited talk, text, web. isn't that cool?"
I'm upset that my phone will be "with Google" instead of "BY GOOGLE"
anyways I just felt like someone should know because I'm honestly sad to leave my nexus. And I treat it like my best friend. Sorry if you wasted time reading this.
If you have any advice about sprint, or the epic 4g. (I will begin looking at the epic forum soon) or anything else you want to add, please do.
I warned my dad if there is a set and confirmed release date for the rumored Nexus S and its on GSM. I will pounce on it like a cat.
Goodbye Nexus One. I had a good time with you. Your 1ghz snap dragon is great, you never lag, but I must move onto a faster hummingbird processor and 4g speeds. I will never sell you. And I will most likely buy a 'pay as you go plan' so I can still update your ROMS, and use you.
Love Branden
(God Im pathetic...)
Again sorry if you wasted time reading this.
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The good news is Samsung will probably follow the same sales approach with the Nexus S (and/or Galaxy S2) as they did for the Galaxy S, as in slang it all over the world on every carrier possible. There may be light at the end of the tunnel.

ya the word is it may be available for multiple carriers so u may be safe. But you could of gotten the Evo since it is supported by several devs, even Cyanogen

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ya the word is it may be available for multiple carriers
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Haven't seen or heard that at all. The only FCC filing, currently, is for TMO frequencies.

i know how u feel about ur nexus cuz i am a same and it's bad decision to move from tmo to sprint , sprint toooo expensive, but Google will not be slow, they will make nexus s for sprint, this what i am thinking and hoping to be true

I didn't want to move from Atmosphere, my Dads decision, but he doesn't listen. And the evo was my other choice
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I'm currently on Sprint with a EVO 4G. With CM it comes pretty close to the Nexus One experience wise but sans the trackball and with a more satisfying size IMO.
That said, I wouldn't be too surprised to see a WiMax capable Nexus S on Sprint a month or three after. They already did it with the SGS/Epic 4G so you never know.
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You should have 30 days to switch to other phones if you don't like the epic, my friend just got an evo and it's sick! If this happened to me,i would go for that instead, htc is way better than samsung with updates and rooting, plus touchwiz is kind of cheesy. Hope this helps, and enjoy any new phone you get.

I agree touchwiz is. And the guy seemed quite adament that it will be updated constantly, I know were getting the Epic for 99$ with 2yr contract
Anyone know the price of the Evo? If not I'll check online .
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Branden10 said:
I agree touchwiz is. And the guy seemed quite adament that it will be updated constantly, I know were getting the Epic for 99$ with 2yr contract
Anyone know the price of the Evo? If not I'll check online .
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Updated constantly....can't help but laugh.

You should carry around your Nexus One and just use your Epic to tether your Nexus for data

Evo=CM6
Sgs =No CM6 EPIC FAIL
I know its hard leaving the n1 but you gotta make the right choice.

Evo FTW.....

The Epic is... epic. It's an amazing phone in terms of hardware, root it and wait for CyanogenMod to come out for it.

What is with your carriers. I think it is terrible that they do not work around a standard like 900/2100 GSM.

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What is with your carriers. I think it is terrible that they do not work around a standard like 900/2100 GSM.
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Well, in this case it doesn't matter what bands the phone uses, it's a different standard. GSM vs CDMA.

Dad can go to sprint you stay here.. problem solved.

At&t

At&t sent me a message that i HAVE to upgrade to their 2.2 is this actually important?
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AriaUSer_ said:
At&t sent me a message that i HAVE to upgrade to their 2.2 is this actually important?
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Perhaps the message you received today is different from the one I got. The one I got didn't say I had to flash the update, it just implied as much by emphasizing what an "important" update this is. In any event, it's all a load of crap. The update is not required (it's your device; no one can make you flash a ROM that you don't want to install), and be advised that if you do flash it you won't be able to root. In fact, you'll lose root if you have it and you won't be able to get it back. AT&T can bite me.

This is what the txt message said:
AT&T Free Msg: An important software update is available for your HTC Aria. To update to Android 2.2, connect to http://www.htc.com/us/support/aria-att/downloads/ and follow the instructions.
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It is as Buck said, it is an optional suggestion.

Ok thanks guys I guess mines different they also said I need to install software to my phone
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I got one this afternoon.
I hate at and t

Im pretty sure we all got that same message. You dont HAVE to upgrade (or downgrade for those of us on 2.3 already ). Just delete the message and go on with your lives as usual.

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Ok thanks guys I guess mines different they also said I need to install software to my phone
AT&T Free Msg: An important software update is available for your HTC Aria. To update to Android 2.2, connect to http://www.htc.com/us/support/aria-att/downloads/ and follow the instructions.
This is what I received. In any event, disregard it.
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yah, i got the same message too. DELETE
told my friends also to disregard. Damn ATT trying to take control

I looked at the message as I was heading into the bank, laughed because I was already on 2.2 (Liberated FR008) and deleted the message.
Coming to find out, it was ironic that I received the message the same day AT&T started clamping down on iPhone users for tethering, since I had to use the hotspot function on an unlimited data plan the weekend before due to a fried cable modem in the house.

Deleted message. It was also on the day that I read somewhere that AT&T is buying out T Mobile. Another bad sign...The less competitors to AT&T = Higher pricing, less stability, poorer customer service and pretty much an all around awful experience..
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Yeah, like everyone has said don't be fooled into this update.
A friend of mine went to att and bought an android, but they helpfully updated the device before giving it to him. He promptly asked for a virgin device and they did so.
They will sell you what you want... well mostly. Heh
"Do you mind if I turn up the AC?"

So, hypothetically, say I'm an idiot
and updated with ATT before reading this forum post about how I won't be able to root/mod. Any estimates on how long it will take before 2.2 is rooted for the Aria? I now realize a few of the very simple things HTC/ATT haven't changed that would have helped a lot in simple day to day stuff, like light sensor control (why do those damn buttons at the bottom have to be so bright at night), and removing ATT bloatware.

Amen 2 that simplemobile is the bomb 60$ unlimited an 4g ooh nice fucc tmo an at&t
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I never understood the frustration or hate over any provider honestly.
AT&T/HTC finally coming around with their 2.2, which is great for folks who don't want to do what a lot of us do to the phone.
For the rest of us, delete/ignore the message. Nobody is forcing you to take 2.2. Situation resolved.
ATT isn't the bane of wireless communications. Fact is, no single provider out there is the end-all be-all godsend for everyone, because it's a volatile industry and everyone's wants/perceptions/experiences are different.
Many smaller networks piggyback/lease frequency/bands/bandwidth from the same towers we're all on. As such you're not going to see hellish lag or vastly deposed quality. Their network priority levels -might- change a bit, but they're not taking over the bandwidth. They were already on the same highway with us, just in a different lane.
If it's like any buyout, the inducted customers will be offered a package to stick with their grandfathered plan (if it has benefits over the company's standard plans), and will probably also keep the same limitations as before.
Example, if TMO had no service or roaming service in City A but ATT has service there, they won't get the service because of the grandfathered plan unless they go with a full ATT plan. Even though the whole time the only difference was a network flag somewhere saying that this person's account isn't authorized to use the tower in that city.
That's really what a lot of it boils down to most of the time.
SimpleMobile might work for someone, VZN might work for another.. etc.
Customer Service is always going to vary no matter what, that's based on expectations/experience. If you like the outcome you love the service, if not they suck. So take that out of the equation. Most of the big boys have similar plans right now, and have been playing the technology game.
Until someone decides to suddenly get fruity with plan prices or has some epic technology gamepiece to play.. it's going to remain mostly the same across the board.
We're all simply dollars and cents. We're a number in a database which is then multiplied by how much they pull from us annually, so they can forecast their own income. We pissed someone off, boo hoo, we have a few million other customers.
I'm not PRO ATT either. I help friends find what works for them. I give them advice based on what their needs/wants are. I used to be Bell South, then it went Cingular, now it's AT&T--and I've kept my original plan from day one because it's better than what any other provider has right now. Last I checked, 2 years ago, I'm one of two people in the entire ATT network with that particular plan. It works for me.
Good hunting to everyone out there, and enjoy the technoloigy.

I have been a long term customer of att and have for the most part been happy. However, it is frustrating that they charge for every feature versus other carriers who give it for free or cheaper.
I think for the most part there are good reasons why people bash the company. Maybe they should switch carriers if it bothers them enough, I'm not sure. However, my minor compliants do not warrant a switch.
Btw, a phone is now more than a voice communication device and to put artificial restrictions in software in my mind is absurd.
I'm happy for you that you have a great plan, but as you know the curent plans are poor in comparison. People are allowed to complain. Let them.
"Do you mind if I turn up the AC?"

OJsakila said:
Deleted message. It was also on the day that I read somewhere that AT&T is buying out T Mobile. Another bad sign...The less competitors to AT&T = Higher pricing, less stability, poorer customer service and pretty much an all around awful experience..
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Doesn't this mean we get better signal ?

vicmora5 said:
Doesn't this mean we get better signal ?
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No. They use/share/pay for the same towers.
actually, as a tmobile customer you might have more access or something but, honestly, I really dont know..lol

TheFurnace said:
I have been a long term customer of att and have for the most part been happy. However, it is frustrating that they charge for every feature versus other carriers who give it for free or cheaper.
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I haven't compared their plans since summer, and at that point I'd compared their plans with VZN and Sprint, for someone else. At that time all 3 companies had the exact same plan offerings down to the feature and penny. Only difference was how each one billed data.
For this person, data wasn't an issue anyhow because they wanted a "regular" phone. So it came down to what phone they wanted, and they went VZN because ATT's regular phone selection blows whale chunks.
We didn't look at other smaller or competing providers because they didn't offer the same overall coverage as the big 3 did.
So what I'm saying is, I dunno what's out there now, but it seems the big 3 have similar plans as each other every time I look. Smaller competitors may have better options/plans/all-inclusive-stuff but again, you have to make sure it works for you.
And bear in mind one reason TMO scuttled the ship is because they were losing income fast.
TheFurnace said:
I think for the most part there are good reasons why people bash the company. Maybe they should switch carriers if it bothers them enough, I'm not sure. However, my minor compliants do not warrant a switch.
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Totally agree! "your mileage may vary", everyone's experience will be different. SprintPCS pissed me off years ago, one reason I was glad to drop them. They were undergoing heavy technical issues with their towers in our area, but because of how they had the phone programmed, even though it could roam digitally it didn't--they set it up to use their service only if we were near their signal.
Couldn't even dial 911 at one point, and I showed this to the techs. They tried with their phones.. same thing. The white-washed faces and lack of response said it all.
Prior to their working on the towers I dropped calls more frequently than I took steps walking. One time when I dropped my phone, the antenna broke off and part of the PCB was actually damaged--and it got a better signal.
TheFurnace said:
Btw, a phone is now more than a voice communication device and to put artificial restrictions in software in my mind is absurd.
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Totally agree! They've got their reasons though. They're there to stay in business, we're here to make use of their service. It's a matter of keeping each-other happy.
TheFurnace said:
I'm happy for you that you have a great plan, but as you know the curent plans are poor in comparison. People are allowed to complain. Let them.
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I didn't mean to come off as a jerk and hope nobody took it as such. I'm a huge supporter of getting your complaints out there and letting people know how your experience went.
I just hate it when I see endless complaints and it seems like none of it is fruitful. If you complain, that's good! Just try and make it count. Do more than complain, explain your situation so others can make informed decisions about which carrier to go to. Things like "XYZ Carrier SUCKS they should burn to the ground!" doesn't help anyone.
Not saying anyone here has done that! I just saw a stream of "random hate for various reasons" starting to come out, like I do everywhere, and wanted to encourage folks to try and make it count. And to understand how things operate a little bit better.
Happy hacking everyone

vesperwillow said:
I haven't compared their plans since summer, and at that point I'd compared their plans with VZN and Sprint, for someone else. At that time all 3 companies had the exact same plan offerings down to the feature and penny. Only difference was how each one billed data.
For this person, data wasn't an issue anyhow because they wanted a "regular" phone. So it came down to what phone they wanted, and they went VZN because ATT's regular phone selection blows whale chunks.
We didn't look at other smaller or competing providers because they didn't offer the same overall coverage as the big 3 did.
So what I'm saying is, I dunno what's out there now, but it seems the big 3 have similar plans as each other every time I look. Smaller competitors may have better options/plans/all-inclusive-stuff but again, you have to make sure it works for you.
And bear in mind one reason TMO scuttled the ship is because they were losing income fast.
Totally agree! "your mileage may vary", everyone's experience will be different. SprintPCS pissed me off years ago, one reason I was glad to drop them. They were undergoing heavy technical issues with their towers in our area, but because of how they had the phone programmed, even though it could roam digitally it didn't--they set it up to use their service only if we were near their signal.
Couldn't even dial 911 at one point, and I showed this to the techs. They tried with their phones.. same thing. The white-washed faces and lack of response said it all.
Prior to their working on the towers I dropped calls more frequently than I took steps walking. One time when I dropped my phone, the antenna broke off and part of the PCB was actually damaged--and it got a better signal.
Totally agree! They've got their reasons though. They're there to stay in business, we're here to make use of their service. It's a matter of keeping each-other happy.
I didn't mean to come off as a jerk and hope nobody took it as such. I'm a huge supporter of getting your complaints out there and letting people know how your experience went.
I just hate it when I see endless complaints and it seems like none of it is fruitful. If you complain, that's good! Just try and make it count. Do more than complain, explain your situation so others can make informed decisions about which carrier to go to. Things like "XYZ Carrier SUCKS they should burn to the ground!" doesn't help anyone.
Not saying anyone here has done that! I just saw a stream of "random hate for various reasons" starting to come out, like I do everywhere, and wanted to encourage folks to try and make it count. And to understand how things operate a little bit better.
Happy hacking everyone
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Ah, then we definitely agree. Thanks for clarifying your point. I understand completely. Cheers!
"Do you mind if I turn up the AC?"

Has anyone been caught / harassed by atnt for tethering or portable hotspot? I very rarely use these but have recently heard of them cracking down.
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T-mobile customers--sign the petition!

If you love TMo and want to keep it away from the Death Star, SIGN!!!!
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/2/stop-t-mobile-from-being-bought-by-att/

nice idea...but seriously do these things even get anywhere?

presence06 said:
nice idea...but seriously do these things even get anywhere?
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It's called slacktivism - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slacktivism
And no, it doesn't.

Waste of TIME! I personally think it would be a good thing. Bigger/Biggest network to start, not like TMO employees would go anywhere, they'd still be there except working for AT&T, might teach AT&T CSR's a thing or two. Just my opinion though, and personally I don't that petition will amount to anything other than wishful thinking. I could/may be wrong but I don't think so.

Doesn't hurt
personally, I'm so mad about this I don't want to have a phone in 12 months if att/sprint/vw are the only options. Meh, take it as you will--just re-posting jIC.

If you want a petition that actually stands a tiny chance of going somewhere, try to get Google to buy T-Mobile. AT&T doesn't give a **** what some developers on an Android forum think. Google does, since this group of people helps expand their OS.

39 million is at stake here. Think about that.
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It's better wrote to congress, you know.

I signed it. I guess I'm an optimist, but I feel like anything I can try to prevent the merger should be done. You never truly know if it will work or not, and maybe the FCC and DOJ will actually listen to the people. But obviously my opinion differs from pretty much everybody else on XDA.

I thought it was 39 billion.
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domtru said:
39 million is at stake here. Think about that.
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thats Billion.....................

found the following and it might be helpful (maybe):
http://www.cell-phone-towers.com/will-the-att-merger-with-tmobile-help-consumers.html

AT&T doesn't care about customers. Sure it will be nice to claim most wireless customers in the US, but the real reason they're buying T-Mobile is for wireless spectrum. 39B USD is a nice deal for added wireless spectrum and the added customers is a nice bonus.
Write/call your congressional representative or the FCC. It'll mean more than signing an internet petition.

would there be a way to actually get out of contract BEFORE the merger starts without paying ETF because of this move?

wrote my congressmen about this I wonder if I will get any kind of response from them about it.

i like the idea...

Scoobyracing03 said:
wrote my congressmen about this I wonder if I will get any kind of response from them about it.
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http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?lname=AT&T+Inc&year=2010
AT&T is just a little behind Verizon in contributions.
The list of recipients for their donations is also quite long.
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/recips.php?cycle=2010&id=D000000076
And match up nicely with the House committee.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Committee_on_Energy_and_Commerce

signed! screw at&t!

Million. Haha. Yeah, billion! No voice is that loud.
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/shrugs/
If AT&T/T-Mo doesn't merge Verizon will have almost a monopoly on LTE becuase they gobbled up so much spectrum and will have such big coverage.
Sprint pretty much sacked themselves with the WiMax bull****. That was a bad move and it didn't really benefit them in the long-run, IMO, since GSM networks were able to upgrade to HSPA+ so quickly and cheaply (software upgrade) and rival their WiMax speeds (which is expensive to build out, not to mention those WiMax phones have terribad battery life when using 4G).
Sprint is complaining. Verizon doesn't care.
Do I care? No. I need at least 3G where I live and no carrier has it here yet, except AT&T. They're the only ones around here who are building their network out in rural areas. T-Mobile's network is too small. It's terribad for people who travel, too.
I hope this happens sooner than later. AT&T has better phones as well. And I've never had any CS issues with them...