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Why not the Moment?

So a friend of mine recently picked up a new phone, and elected to get the Moment. I've seen people trash the Moment on these boards, but can I get some clear reasons why he should switch to the Hero or pony up the extra hundred bucks for an Evo?
It's his first smartphone, and he's not particularly tied to either the camera or the keyboard, but he's not a particularly easy guy to convince of something. Thanks.

The moment is the only android phone I would classify as a functional brick.
No offense to those who dig it. I like a physical kb too but the moments kb is (imo) a very poor design. Also, slider phones that don't tilt at all just don't feel natural to type on.
The thing is huge width wise too. I don't use a holster or belt clip, I keep my phone in my front left pants pocket. The evo is enormous but it's thin, fits in my pocket perfectly.

http://androidforums.com/samsung-moment/33738-why-do-people-prefer-sprint-htc-hero-over-samsung-moment.html

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http://androidforums.com/samsung-moment/33738-why-do-people-prefer-sprint-htc-hero-over-samsung-moment.html
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Good thread.. but its a little outdated.
Now we have OC kernels that run 32mhz slower then the moment, not much of a difference. Also we have darchdroid, basic android system like the moment has, so its not "laggy" because of sense UI. Also the hero has this site for support, which gives it a huge community.
The Evo.. thats a whole nother story, i would get one in a heart beat if i could. And soon any kinks/bugs will be worked out, specially if you are rooted flashing custom roms, which are worlds better then htc.
We had one guy from here (xda) get a moment (they didnt have a replacement hero for him). And he was ok with it at first, about a month later, he absolutely hated his Moment and wanted to get a Hero again. He has a thread somewhere about it.

Why I dont like the moment is a personal and hardware standpoint. My pet peeve is when the spacebar divides up the keyboard so that drives me insane but that is complete personal bias

4 things you look at from an engineering stand point.
0. Accessibility - It doesn't have to provide desired effects, just USEFUL effects. The battery life (when I had one) was horrid - 5 hours max on a battery charge. Meaning when battery is dead - it doesn't even provide useful data.
1. Reliability - It does what it is supposed to do. When you need it to do it.
Again the battery, and its random CDMA lock ups that require a reboot.
2. Safety - this stands on its own. It can't get anyone hurt.
The thing is a brick, it would cause some sort of back injury lugging that heavy thing around.
3. Security - varies for different things.
this is a cell phone...all are pretty insecure when someone has physical access, not moment specific. But I figured I would throw in the 4th one. And when you get pissed off at it and sling it out a window and someone finds it - it become insecure.
Of course all IMHO.

The moment will always have its place in my heart.... next to my mother in law and the red headed step child
/sarcasm

My girlfriend has the moment and absolutely loves it. She has always loved Samsung phones though.
I told her she could always use it to break a window if needed.

neuro_genesis said:
My girlfriend has the moment and absolutely loves it. She has always loved Samsung phones though.
I told her she could always use it to break a window if needed.
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That was the one benefit I out weighed with the Hero and the Moment.
With the Hero, if I ever drive my car into the lake and need to call 911 -i'd be dead before the dialer started up. However with the moment which also had similar things happen - I could just break the window.

Lets see, I owned a moment for 3 weeks and just went back to the Hero.
My quibbles with the Moment
1) battery life is PITIFUL
2) the phone is very heavy
3) The phone randomly would have data lockups where EVDO would just QUIT working, but the phone wouldn't indicate there was a problem with signal, only fix is reboot
4) The battery indicator software is pathetic, it would show 80% for like 4 hours then just DIE. Even with tweaks the battery code would only show increments in 5%.
5) There is no XDA portal for the Moment.

gunnyman said:
5) There is no XDA portal for the Moment.
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That's because forums with a large presence like this can often sway users form one phone to the next.
My personal experience with the Moment is even though it has a stronger processor it does lack a bit of the umph that the Hero has, but I just don't think the right people have their hands on the kernels and ROMs and such, so the Moment may never be as badass as the Hero in terms of its modifications and things. You can easily make or break a phone's popularity by just the hands that the phone is in.

gunnyman said:
Lets see, I owned a moment for 3 weeks and just went back to the Hero.
My quibbles with the Moment
1) battery life is PITIFUL
2) the phone is very heavy
3) The phone randomly would have data lockups where EVDO would just QUIT working, but the phone wouldn't indicate there was a problem with signal, only fix is reboot
4) The battery indicator software is pathetic, it would show 80% for like 4 hours then just DIE. Even with tweaks the battery code would only show increments in 5%.
5) There is no XDA portal for the Moment.
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Are you saying there will be???
j/k

gunnyman said:
Lets see, I owned a moment for 3 weeks and just went back to the Hero.
My quibbles with the Moment
1) battery life is PITIFUL
2) the phone is very heavy
3) The phone randomly would have data lockups where EVDO would just QUIT working, but the phone wouldn't indicate there was a problem with signal, only fix is reboot
4) The battery indicator software is pathetic, it would show 80% for like 4 hours then just DIE. Even with tweaks the battery code would only show increments in 5%.
5) There is no XDA portal for the Moment.
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Ah, this is great. Thanks for your responses guys.

sheagk said:
Ah, this is great. Thanks for your responses guys.
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The best reason to stick with the Hero is the Dev community. The moment and hero are dead as far as further support/software improvements from sprint. The Devs here with the addition of Cyanogen's team will help insure the Hero is a great phone for a lot longer than the handful of devs on the Moment.

I almost bought the moment because it looked like a nicer phone to me. But the day i went to sprint they were out of them so i got a hero instead. I don't regret it but id love a phone will a hardware keyboard. The moment doesn't have alot of development for it.

I told you so..

just doesn't quite say it.
Like I've said in my previous posts, when it comes to samsung supporting ANY of their phones, well you don't get any. They make buggy phones which have problems after a few days of use, and then instead of recalling or updating kernels/roms, they just totally ignore the customers and run off with the money. The "legal" alternative of scamming.
And they have done the same with samsung epic.
http://www.talkandroid.com/13036-samsung-epic-already-having-issues-on-launch-day/
It's not the issues per say, but it's the fact that they KNEW about the issue, and ignored it. I know evo had some issues from the start as well, but this was usually do to a bad batch and htc didn't know about this until mass release. BUT samsung knew about this issue before they even released the phone.
tl;dr: samsung is a crap company when it comes to phones, they don't support their products, and will screw you over when they get the chance.

wrong forum buddy.

timtlm said:
wrong forum buddy.
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I'm sure he meant to post that here since the Epic is supposed to be a competitor to the Evo.
Either way: I love my Evo and I wouldn't trade it for the Epic. I don't like Samsung's UI.

timtlm said:
wrong forum buddy.
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no, not really. People are comparing evo to samsung epic, and to me it seems like a right forum to warn everyone about the problems with the epic. I had a chance yesterday to trade my evo for a samsung + 25$. I was thinking about it since my evo has a broken 4g, and the only reason i thought about it was the processor speeds, but after reading that article upon many others, I was re-assured that I will never buy another samsung phone.

my favorite are all the posts of people saying "i bought the phone an hour ago it pwns it is so leeet" now give them a few dys they will be the ones going back and shouting "omg this phone sucks my back button doesnt work ... wth screw you samsung".

I just have to say this....and YES the pun is intended.
EPIC Fail!

Well... I guess this isn't really any different then the screen seperation issue and the light spot on the lcd over the processor and the power button crack on Evo's. I am sure testers ran into all those problems. it is a matter of what is going to cost more; retooling and redesigning a few pieces of the phone and replacing it on 100,000 handsets, or replacing a few thousand handsets that run into the issue.
I'm sure my numbers aren't really in the ballpark, but you get my drift. Every company has to make decisions like this.

skydeaner said:
Well... I guess this isn't really any different then the screen seperation issue and the light spot on the lcd over the processor and the power button crack on Evo's. I am sure testers ran into all those problems. it is a matter of what is going to cost more; retooling and redesigning a few pieces of the phone and replacing it on 100,000 handsets, or replacing a few thousand handsets that run into the issue.
I'm sure my numbers aren't really in the ballpark, but you get my drift. Every company has to make decisions like this.
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I don't buy in the lcd separation bs. I saw people take pictures of claiming about separation and it looks fine to me. If it was separating, then the touch screen wouldn't work as well and you would be experiencing more problems than "dust settling under the screen".
As for the hairline crack on the power button, most of the people that had it, didnt even know about it. Sprint techs probably didn't know about it as well.

Actually, this is a whole other ballpark. You could argue that the Evos were pushed out the door for launch, but Samsung released the first Galaxy S phone in the beginning of June in Europe, and every issue Epic users are running into now were discovered back then. Three months ago. Three months and no fixes for their new phone. They knowingly released a defective phone, will probably never fix it, and will move on to their next phone in January. So long suckers! Oh, and watch this space for complaints about the keyboard Oreo. The only reason this is new is because the Epic is the first Galaxy phone with a keyboard. I mean, you didn't think they'd get that working properly out of the gate, did you?
Sorry for all the FUD, but I'll probably have Gingerbread on my Evo before the Epic gets froyo.

Hanson68 said:
Actually, this is a whole other ballpark. You could argue that the Evos were pushed out the door for launch, but Samsung released the first Galaxy S phone in the beginning of June in Europe, and every issue Epic users are running into now were discovered back then. Three months ago. Three months and no fixes for their new phone. They knowingly released a defective phone, will probably never fix it, and will move on to their next phone in January. So long suckers! Oh, and watch this space for complaints about the keyboard Oreo. The only reason this is new is because the Epic is the first Galaxy phone with a keyboard. I mean, you didn't think they'd get that working properly out of the gate, did you?
Sorry for all the FUD, but I'll probably have Gingerbread on my Evo before the Epic gets froyo.
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hhahaha CLASSIC

samsung couldn't (and still can't) do flip phones right (had a couple, they would always break; switched to sanyo, i've had that sucker for >4 years and I still bring it out of the box as a backup from time to time, and everything still works on it), why would we expect them to do smart phones any better? they just do not make quality product. burn in on the screens, wow - basically one of your hot selling points is the AMOLED screen, and it has huge burn in problems in less than a month? and they are mass producing these things? no epic for me, and no samsung AMOLED for me on any phone, thanks.
love my evo. no, HTC is not perfect, not saying that at all. but they do make a better quality product than sammy any day, hands down.

Quick off-topic question. I am seriously considering the EVO. However, I need Wifi to work. Are there still issues with poor Wifi signal on the Evo or has this been resolved?

After the froyo update, I went from 2 bars on my couch sitting 20 feet from my router to full bars and I can now go into the bedroom and still get signal. I used to switch to my Diamond and use Opera Mini whenever I was in the bedroom, but that's no longer an issue. 3G signal got stronger as well.
Or was there a different wifi issue you were referring to?

Yeah, WiFi is big for me too and I noticed a while ago it seemed to be better than when I first bought the device. But I thought this was done some time ago. But yeah, WiFi is good.

Hanson68 said:
After the froyo update, I went from 2 bars on my couch sitting 20 feet from my router to full bars and I can now go into the bedroom and still get signal. I used to switch to my Diamond and use Opera Mini whenever I was in the bedroom, but that's no longer an issue. 3G signal got stronger as well.
Or was there a different wifi issue you were referring to?
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same thing, getting full bars in two rooms down. About 2 or so bars throughout the house.

After some research I went with the EVO. I have no problems with wifi throughout my house or any other issues with this phone. I came from the Samsung Moment and that phone was a nightmare, no updates to fix the known issues, they deemed it EOL after the 2.1 update. Even with a ROM rooted it was bad. I am half expecting the same with the epic.

Delete this post, I posted in the wrong forum (FAIL).

I purchased the Epic to compare it to the Evo. It really is a great phone, but I think I'm going to stick with my EVO. There were small issues I had that may have been no problems for others, but to me they were dealbreakers. The screen truly does wonders and makes the EVo appear washed out. However, the size is noticeable when compared to the EVO. They realistically could have kept the screen the same size as the EVO had they made the "SAMSUNG" on the front smaller. The email would also never update without a manual refresh, the touch screen buttons are hardly responsive. The email was a big issue to me. However, the biggest deal breaker was the battery. My battery life on the Epic was worse than the EVO. Not a huge deal since Im always near a charger. However, the battery would take hours to charge. My evo could be completely shut down and charge from 10%-100% in about an hour tops. The EPIC took several hours.
That said, the phone is incredibly snappy stock. I would love to see what developers can do with it, but I dont think I have the patience to wait. I'm a regular flashoholic on my EVO.

chino0131 said:
y. My battery life on the Epic was worse than the EVO. Not a huge deal since Im always near a charger. However, the battery would take hours to charge. My evo could be completely shut down and charge from 10%-100% in about an hour tops. The EPIC took several hours.
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Once again I'm calling BS EVO will not fully charge in 1 hour.

hooover said:
Once again I'm calling BS EVO will not fully charge in 1 hour.
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Well I don't know about one hour but my phone usually charges in about two hours.
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List of problems with the Epic 4G

Lets put together a list of problems that we have with this phone. I'll split them into software bugs and things we just don't like.
Software bugs/shortcomings
- GPS problems
- Touchwiz seems to have been gimped (less of an issue as I use Syndicate, although I know some people like Touchwiz)
- Kies does not appear to be working
- Phone seems to get really hot
- Signal appears to have difficulties locking in some areas still
Things we just don't like about this phone
- Internal storage for apps is less than 500 mb when you install (it seems that every Galaxy S phone has been gimped in some manner - this is ours it would seem. Whereas the i9000, Vibrant, and Captivate lack flash, we have this problem).
- Still uses pen tile
- Battery life is not as good as it could be (Kernels like Pheonix and Xtreme try to adjust this)
- Keyboard WPM could use some work
Note: Keep this thread civil. I don't want this thread to be locked due to a flame war. We want to put together a list of known issues. Maybe something like this should be stickied.

*It simply isn't usable in stock form for a business professional.
-The gps never works when you need it on demand.
-If you actually use your phone, even just to talk on for any amount of time, it dies quickly.

I'm having issues with MMS. Takes hours to download.

J3ff said:
*It simply isn't usable in stock form for a business professional.
-The gps never works when you need it on demand.
-If you actually use your phone, even just to talk on for any amount of time, it dies quickly.
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I definitely disagree with this particular assessment concerning being usable in stock form. Even though I'm rooted, I specifically refuse to run any custom rom. Very happy with stock. My gps has worked when I've ever needed to use it.
Battery life could be better, definitely, but I make it through a regular work day (almost 6.30pm and at 37%).
I'd say battery life is my number 1 need for improvement, not gps (mine works fine when I need to use it) but that's not unique to the Epic in general. Android phones and *great* battery life don't seem to mix.
Forgive My Brevity. To Be Or Not To Be...

sauron0101 said:
Lets put together a list of problems that we have with this phone. I'll split them into software bugs and things we just don't like.
Software bugs/shortcomings
- GPS problems
- Touchwiz seems to have been gimped (less of an issue as I use Syndicate, although I know some people like Touchwiz)
- Kies does not appear to be working
Things we just don't like about this phone
- Internal storage for apps is less than 500 mb when you install (it seems that every Galaxy S phone has been gimped in some manner - this is ours it would seem. Whereas the i9000, Vibrant, and Captivate lack flash, we have this problem).
- Still uses pen tile
- Battery life is not as good as it could be (Kernels like Pheonix and Xtreme try to adjust this)
Note: Keep this thread civil. I don't want this thread to be locked due to a flame war. We want to put together a list of known issues. Maybe something like this should be stickied.
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Kies does not work when you are rooted for safety reasons. gps will not lock if you have wifi on and sometimes it needs to be on kinda weird. no problems with twiz maybe you should do a battery pull and for the guy with mms taking awhile to download update prl or get closer to a tower or turn on mobile data. The only problem with these phones are the people using them.

time w/o a signal >50%

The LED notification light only blinks about 5.25 times then stops. After that, it blinks sporadically.

Anyone who criticizes the battery life on the Epic probably didn't come over from the Evo. It no exaggeration has about 4 times the life

jbadboy2007 said:
The only problem with these phones are the people using them.
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Not at all. Hardware wise, the phone itself could use improvements. The Galaxy S global edition came with 1.7 GB of free space.
Although the GPS is different on this unit than the other Galaxy S phones, all models seem to suffer from various GPS locking issues. There are a host of other issues, some of which have been addressed by Sprint.
Lets put it this way: Samsung got a lot of things right with this phone and we are moving I think overall towards a better Android experience, but we've got some ways to go.

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Anyone who criticizes the battery life on the Epic probably didn't come over from the Evo. It no exaggeration has about 4 times the life
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Having never used an Evo, I can't comment on that one. I bought my Epic for about $300 + shipping + import taxes and am using it in Canada as an "Android touch".
However, gripes appear to be common on battery life. In particular, enabling 4G for most users seems to suck battery out very rapidly.

Coming from a TP2 I will point out a nuisance that I have.
No way to link notification volume with ringer volume. There are 2 separate sliders and it bugs the crap outta me. Either my ringer is too low and notifications too high or vice versa..

My gps hadn't failed me since the last update or so. Ever since it has been fast and accurate so I am shocked people are still complaining about it. Maybe some of you with the GPS issue haven't updated to the latest stock rom...
Fine, I'll shut up.
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Kies does not work when you are rooted for safety reasons. gps will not lock if you have wifi on and sometimes it needs to be on kinda weird. no problems with twiz maybe you should do a battery pull and for the guy with mms taking awhile to download update prl or get closer to a tower or turn on mobile data. The only problem with these phones are the people using them.
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These are general, not (RE: NOT!) specific problems, meaning that not (again I say NOT!) ALL phones are gonna be affected, so if your phone is good, then so be it and stay quiet since this thread clearly isn't meant for you, but for the people who actually have the same problems such as I and the next guy.
Back on topic, I think the back button thing should be up there. Not sure ifits fixed yet, but my epic has it and I bought it first week of october and it had dg27 so I'm guessing mine was part of the first couple batches
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Anyone who criticizes the battery life on the Epic probably didn't come over from the Evo. It no exaggeration has about 4 times the life
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I disagree. Battery life on the Epic is terrible.
Currently at 27%. Time since plugged in: 9.5 hours with only 1 hour and 12 minutes screen on time.
Seems 3x worse than when I bought it. Need to put my spare battery in soon...

daddymikey1975 said:
Coming from a TP2 I will point out a nuisance that I have.
No way to link notification volume with ringer volume. There are 2 separate sliders and it bugs the crap outta me. Either my ringer is too low and notifications too high or vice versa..
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If you use the volume rocker they are definitly linked. Even if you place them on two different settings on the sliders, then use the volume rocker they both move to thr ringer setting.

Power button on the right side... WHY wasn't it put on the TOP!
Stupid video recording always asks for Normal or MMS limit..

sauron0101 said:
Having never used an Evo, I can't comment on that one. I bought my Epic for about $300 + shipping + import taxes and am using it in Canada as an "Android touch".
However, gripes appear to be common on battery life. In particular, enabling 4G for most users seems to suck battery out very rapidly.
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well so far on my epic everything has been working very well..including impressive batt life. i came from an evo >epic..just flawless. i do however dislike the download cap, signal strength could be improved, stock browser doesnt let you rename a file when you downlod to sd card.

Well let me first start off by saying that I totally still love my epic, and that every device has shortcomings/issues/****ty support in one way or the other. I love my epic.
Now that I got that out, one thing that totally aggrivates me is the fact that the keyboard doesn't recognize typing faster than a certain WPM. I happen to type very fast, and about 1 in 5 words will have a missing letter if I don't type in granny mode. For a long time I thought it was just me and that I haven't adjusted to the keyboard yet. Unfortunatly later on I viewed a post on here that about 30 other ppl were *****ing about the same thing. Ugh. Other than that though I love the phone... but I got a hardware keyboard attached to it and switched to sprint so I could type faster... but half the time swype is more efficient! Lolz.

hydralisk said:
I disagree. Battery life on the Epic is terrible.
Currently at 27%. Time since plugged in: 9.5 hours with only 1 hour and 12 minutes screen on time.
Seems 3x worse than when I bought it. Need to put my spare battery in soon...
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That sucks. When having the spare battery in, did you leave that one in to see if it was the battery and not the phone? Also is your phone rooted? I rooted mine, dropped it in a bowl of cereal and got a new one from the store and both rooted and unrooted worked fine for me but I think you should look into what is causing it.
A couple of other folks in this thread who came from the Evo appreciate how good the battery life is on this. I will try to leave my EPIC unplugged for the next twelve hours and see how much juice is left. and I play Angry Birds and Galcon constantly.

While i love the phone i do have some problems.
The wobbly slider mechanism
My GPS was fine until i left the WIFI on for several hours. After that i had to reboot for the GPS to lock. So sure the GPS 'works' but it's easy to break.
All the stupid little stuff i have to do. ie. airplane toggle, kill DRM, set wifi to always on, cold start for GPS. It would be nice if we didn't have to do any of that. Not a big deal for me, but for non-technical people i can see it being a deal breaker.

Thoughts after 30 Days

I just hit my 30 day mark on my Shift. I thought I would share my thoughts on the phone and encourage others to do the same.
I came from the Touch Pro and this is my first experience owning an Android phone. I am still stock and not rooted. The phone is running incredibly smooth. Battery life has been very good. I can easily go 15 hours with heavy usage on a single charge. I did buy a car charger, but haven't needed to use it even though I have used the music player and Pandora for over an hour sometimes.
While I didn't buy the phone for the keyboard, I have found I use it as my primary input method. The camera is decent, but won't win any awards. The camera needs to be absolutely still, or photos will come out blurry. Video is similar as fast moving objects will tend to blur?
All in all I am very happy with my purchase. This is the best phone I have ever owned. I have said this about my last 5 phones, but isn't that what technology is all about?

well at least ya didnt own a moment before this. that phone was just about enough to sour anyone on a phone. the only saving grace on it was rooting and android. otherwise it was a POS this phone absolutely rocks

I am coming from an HTC Aria that was rooted and a nightly build of CM7 on it. I have had my new Shift for for about a week now. I have it rooted and have all the bloatware removed. I love the phone so far, I can't wait to get some ROMs installed on it to see how it really performs.

Sure you don't want to return it for this thing?:
http://phandroid.com/2011/02/07/spr...a-dual-screen-android-ultimate-multi-tasking/
Looks stupid to me but *shrug* I've been wrong before
^ Shift Faced

I'll let you know when my new one arrives in the mail.
The slider on my current one is so insanely loose I had to get it replaced, and being on an employee plan they have to ship me a new phone and a mailer to return the old phone. Hopefully the slider won't be so loose on the new one--this one can rotate about 10 degrees when fully open and holding one side up....very annoying

This all sounds good being im available for a discount on a new phone. Coming from the Evo..fully rooted, it annoys me the processor can only go to 1.19Ghz stable on aosp. What turns me on about the Shift is that it can OC to 1.51Ghz so far. I may just give it a shot.
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tonyk__78 said:
This all sounds good being im available for a discount on a new phone. Coming from the Evo..fully rooted, it annoys me the processor can only go to 1.19Ghz stable on aosp. What turns me on about the Shift is that it can OC to 1.51Ghz so far. I may just give it a shot.
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Some are getting 1.8 =) Mine maxes at 1.6
^ Shift Faced

jesusice said:
Sure you don't want to return it for this thing?:
http://phandroid.com/2011/02/07/spr...a-dual-screen-android-ultimate-multi-tasking/
Looks stupid to me but *shrug* I've been wrong before
^ Shift Faced
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Hmm, I wonder if an emulator for the Nintendo DS could be developed for something like that.

jesusice said:
Sure you don't want to return it for this thing?:
http://phandroid.com/2011/02/07/spr...a-dual-screen-android-ultimate-multi-tasking/
Looks stupid to me but *shrug* I've been wrong before
^ Shift Faced
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I posted the same link in the epic forums. Also notice the last line in the article says "Image courtesy of Engadget. Not indicative of the Kyocera Echo's design." So the picture is just a render. Not the real thing.
Sent from my non-rooted, stock Epic.

I came from a Touch Pro as well. I absolutely love the Evo Shift. The size of the phone is perfect and the keyboard is great (two main reasons for getting this phone). The phone seems very fast compared to what I'm used to and the Android Market is great; I can't believe the number of free apps.

Loving mine so far. Also still on stock ROM. Dabbled with some temp rooting, but have yet to attempt the perm method. Might have to root soon as I'm running out of internal space =O. I still have 2 more days to consider returning it, but don't think I will. Didn't realize there were o/c'ing kernels already out. I'm curious if I can hit 1.8GHz =D

I upgraded all the way from a Centro. I was pretty good with that keyboard, so really wanted the hw keyboard again.
However, with Swype installed, I never use the keyboard! I've opened it a few times for some technical input, but other than that, it stays closed.
I hate the z hinge on the g2 and was happy to hear the shift was a slider. However, now I want the z-hinge! I feel like the shift slider is getting looser. Its no where near what some people report, but it definitely has some play in it when closed.
I am very happy with the purchase overall. I never would have thought I'd also be happy with a phone with the same screen size except no slider.

germancarsrock said:
I hate the z hinge on the g2 and was happy to hear the shift was a slider. However, now I want the z-hinge! I feel like the shift slider is getting looser. Its no where near what some people report, but it definitely has some play in it when closed.
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Did you remove the protective stickers on the keyboard and back of the phone? I have kept mine on and the phone is as solid as the day I bought mine.

ttown said:
Did you remove the protective stickers on the keyboard and back of the phone? I have kept mine on and the phone is as solid as the day I bought mine.
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yeah, I removed mine right away out of habit, and it's loose enough that I'm getting a new one (which I won't be removing the plastic if it stays on good). I was actually thinking of putting a piece of scotch tape on the back to help with it, but never got around to it before ordering a new one.

I am thinking the Zagg screen protector might work if cut to fit in those areas. It should provide enough resistance to keep the keyboard shut.

Welcome to Verizon story - and questions.

So this is actually 2 parts...1st part is I'm curious how many folks have rooted? I'm just kinda hanging out and not rooted which leads me to the 2nd part....I've rooted for years and never felt any of my phones get has hot as this phone does. I also have had some periodic apps not opening here or there so I went to Verizon to see about swapping it out for another phone. The tech was like it's your apps that are on the SD card that's making it run hot then he's like if you still ha e the phone in 14 days and it's still running hot bring it back and we will swap it for a new one. Then he suggested I root the phone to remove the bloat. I'm like won't that void the warranty with yall? He's like yea. Lol I was like wtf?! Where did that make sense?
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My Thunderbolt got way hotter than this phone. And on this phone, you can remove the back cover without disrupting anything other than the look and feel, so it can cool off a bit better (you couldn't with the TB without losing 4G and GPS).
I see it as a nonissue. It's a quad-core processor in something the size of our hand, with no fans. The fact it doesn't melt instantly is impressive enough for me.

DaWolf850 said:
My Thunderbolt got way hotter than this phone. And on this phone, you can remove the back cover without disrupting anything other than the look and feel, so it can cool off a bit better (you couldn't with the TB without losing 4G and GPS).
I see it as a nonissue. It's a quad-core processor in something the size of our hand, with no fans. The fact it doesn't melt instantly is impressive enough for me.
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My point exactly. I haven't got anything more than a moderately warm palm with heavy use.

Verizon.. You bring your phone in for issues and they tell you to give it a few weeks to sort out then come back and they will try to resolve your problems. And since your 14 days is up you're stuck with whatever THEY decide is the best solution since they're now holding the leash.
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