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Coming From iPhone 3GS - Just my 2cents

I really like this phone! It has a lot of potential but dang, HTC needs to fix some of these issues everyone is having. If they could just get it right the 1st time at least one time. I should'nt have to do all the tweaks / hacks on this forum just to get the phone to work the way it should have out of the box.
Battery issues : Some claim they don't have any issues at all ? Hard to believe.
CDMA Phone searching for GSM signal first : How the heck is the average person supposed know to check and make sure that is setup properly.
This phone can do a lot of things but a Jail-broken iPhone can do the same things. I really want to keep this phone but I am really starting to get frustrated with Android or HTC or whoever it to blame.
My 1 year old 3GS came off the charger at the same time I took my EVO off the charger last night both with 100% battery and 8 hrs later without any use the EVO was at 83%, the iPhone was at 98% and I forgot to turn the wifi off on the iPhone. Periodically throughout the day I checked the iphone and after 16 hrs setting idle it is still at 94%.
No I'm not an Apple fan boy but I must say Apple is doing something right with their operating system. yeah a lot of people are going to say that's because they don't let apps run in the background. Well, I have iPhone 4.0 GM on my 3GS and I have to say that the Multitasking works pretty good.

iphone idles better than evo.
noted.

See that's the good and bad thing about Android, there are many phones to pick from. Nexus one is a very well built phone and the only thing the new iPhone has on nexus is camera on the front, which not enough people have it yet to make a differnce, nexus one with froyo hands down beats iPhone and its only partial froyo. So point is there are better HTC products out with Android
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dmoses1969 said:
If they could just get it right the 1st time at least one time.
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When you purchase a 1st gen device you KNOW going in that it's gonna have problems to be ironed out. Don't want to deal with them? take it back and wait for the 2nd gen next year
Example: There's no way in hell I would buy an iPad due to this fact that it's 1st gen. I already knew before it came out that it would have problems.

muncheroo said:
iphone idles better than evo.
noted.
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Of course it idles better then nearly ANY phone... why do you think people keep complaining about ATT? Note that it is almost always Iphone users that complain about it. The dirty little secrete about Iphones is that they have a terrible radio which idles constantly and disconnects from the towers all the time to save battery... saves a ton of battery but makes it fairly useless as a phone.
I would say compared to my TP on the same network, I get about 90% of the battery time on my Evo, IF I used it the same way... but I use my evo SO much that I actually have to recharge by 4 usually.

ap3604 said:
When you purchase a 1st gen device you KNOW going in that it's gonna have problems to be ironed out. Don't want to deal with them? take it back and wait for the 2nd gen next year
Example: There's no way in hell I would buy an iPad due to this fact that it's 1st gen. I already knew before it came out that it would have problems.
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I can agree with some of that but, This isnt the 1st Gen Android operating system nor is the 1st Gen Sense UI. I believe Android and HTC can make this work a lot better than it does. I think they are trying harder to get more phones on out the door than anything.
The biggest reason people flock to the iPhone, and I hate to say this "It just Works"
But I will probably keep my EVO and work through the issues. I sure am liking Sprints network right now. AT&T blows where I am located.

dmoses1969 said:
I can agree with some of that, but this isn't the 1st gen Android operating system nor is the 1st Gen Sense UI. I believe Android and HTC can make this work a lot better than it does. I think they are trying harder to get more phones on out the door than anything.
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I gotta agree with some of this as well
I would much rather have vanilla 2.1 Android over Sense I think.

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I think the battery life is great compared to my previous phone. (Which was also an Iphone 3GS).
But I've also had some experience with Android phones before, as I also owned a Nexus one, and a T-moble G1.
First thing I did was install Advanced Task Killer, and setup the auto kill for anytime I turn the screen off. Put the applications I didn't want to get killed in the ignore list, etc.
And if I'm not using something that requires GPS, I keep the GPS turned off. If I'm not in an area using wifi, I keep it turned off as well. Since I do not get 4G in my area, no point in leaving it on to search for it. So I killed that too.
I also didn't change the factory brightness settings, as I found the automatic brightness to be perfect for my eyes.
I easily get the entire day with good use out of my phone.

im starting to think HTC rushed to get these out the door with how quick after the evo release apple unveiled the iphone 4 came out. (sure everyone knew it was coming but w/e) I think htc was trying to avoid the same mistake palm made with the pre.
Sent from my EVO

muncheroo said:
iphone idles better than evo.
noted.
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Nothing runs in the background, of course it idles better than other smart phones. Apple have super secret battery technology/battery saving drivers.

Sprint battery saving sheet
I picked up a 3 page photocopied document at a Sprint center. 3 pages of applications you should disable in order to save battery. Turn off WiFi, turn off GPS, turn off Amazon MP3 market, which cannot be done because it comes back after 5 minutes.
They are almost telling you to turn off the phone, so you can see how many hours the battery will last!!!!!
Turn it off, and the battery will last many, many hours!!!!

I have also had several other Android phones. HTC Hero original, HTC Desire and MOTO Droid..
They all had issues with making it all day without using some kind of software or hack or having to shut off features to get them to last all day.
Put the iPhone OS in EVO and look out, they couldn't build enough of them.
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ap3604 said:
When you purchase a 1st gen device you KNOW going in that it's gonna have problems to be ironed out. Don't want to deal with them? take it back and wait for the 2nd gen next year
Example: There's no way in hell I would buy an iPad due to this fact that it's 1st gen. I already knew before it came out that it would have problems.
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Yea because the iPad has tons of issues.......? Oh wait, it doesn't. Just like the original iPhone had tons of issues too huh? I like Android, but I'm fed up with HTC hardware, the other manufacturers can't get on the train fast enough.

dsjr2006 said:
Yea because the iPad has tons of issues.......? Oh wait, it doesn't. Just like the original iPhone had tons of issues too huh? I like Android, but I'm fed up with HTC hardware, the other manufacturers can't get on the train fast enough.
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Damn right. I have an iPad and have yet to have a single problem with it. People trying to justify the EVOs problems just give HTC an excuse to keep making low quality stuff. I paid $200 for this and signed a contract for 2 years just to get it. I shouldn't have to worry about battery covers not fitting, framerates being limited, HTC sense being terrible buggy software, screens coming apart, etc.

EVO battery life is FAR superior to my 3GS. i dont have to charge until the 2nd day after full charge. that is of course after i removed all the sprint and amazon crap. this phone is hands down superior to the iphone 3GS. ATT takes the iphone from a great device to a iPod touch that sometimes works as a phone. haven't dropped a single call! also 4G just "started" working for me in LA which is awesome. unfortunately I noticed a huge hit on battery with 4G... i disable it when not using it or i go down so fast i can see the battery losing juice right before my eyes.
i have an iPad 3g and there are certainly issues. my email address got stolen. i know its att's fault but apple chose them so i hold them partially responsible too. wifi is buggy at best for enterprise networks which is bumming people out on our campus. the lack of support for flash is flat out ridiculous for a device that claims to provide a full web experience. couple that with att downsampling just about everything they can over 3g and you start to get fed up.
-jenzo

Finally back to EVO. My Epic journey :)

I got an EVO right after launch and loved it. I had a problem with the camera not working (defect). Best Buy didn't know when they were getting any back in so I canceled my upgrade and waited for the Epic. The Epic is an amazing piece of hardware. The screen has to be seen to be believed. That being said my first Epic was returned because the capacitive buttons didn't work at all. Best Buy swapped me out without a problem. My second one seemed to to be perfect (aside from the movement of the screen when the slider was closed).
After having it a few days I really liked the screen and the idea of the physical keyboard. However, I soon realized that the honeymoon phase was over when I tried to use the GPS and could only lock 1 sat no matter where I was. Then I noticed that I was getting what appeared to image retention. For example the notification bar left a faint image on the screen when on a all white screen (I only noticed cause I started hiding the notification bar with LaunchPro). Then I noticed that I could also see a faint image of the dialer buttons when on the same all white or blue screen. There are threads on here as well as other sites that detail how and why AMOLED screens have this issue. I guess the Nexus 1 had the same issue.
The keyboard was nice but the buttons were to spaced apart for me. I also didn't like the location of the power button it was awkward. I know that Samsung is "supposed" to fix the GPS but that remains to be seen. In my experience the screen was REALLY nice but if the image retention happens that easily it kinda ruins it for me. It's like the old school plasmas.
I was going to just swap it out again but honestly I expected the same problems. I called Best Buy this morning and told them what was happening and I asked if they had any EVO's and they actually received 1 white EVO this morning. They held it for me and the rest is history.
I have to say that coming full circle back to an Evo really feels great. I know on paper the Epic is supposed to be better and many like me were on the fence but the grass isn't always greener on the other side. The Evo feels better in my hand and it works. I just thought I would share my experience with switching to the Epic.

I was actually considering a switch but the more I read about it the more I want to stay with our evo
Swyped from my cm6

I took the plunge cause I couldn't get a hold of a replacement EVO. I really liked it at first but then all the negatives present themselves. The GPS is a HUGE deal for me and the image retention that I experienced was a deal breaker. I wish I took pictures of the the retention but the only camera I had was on the Epic.
I couldn't believe I found an EVO again. My new EVO came with 2.2 already on it.

ptfdmedic said:
feels better in my hand and it works.
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thats what she said!
j/k, month 4 and i'm still loving my evo man

IceCreaMan said:
j/k, month 4 and i'm still loving my evo man
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That's what she said! (I'm her Evo man.)
Ha ha! Punctuation.

ptfdmedic said:
I tried to use the GPS and could only lock 1 sat no matter where I was.
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This was the reason I returned my AT&T Captivate and switched to the EVO. Samsung claimed that the GPS was fixed in the Epic. Thanks for confirming that I made the right decision.

Yeah I've had my EVO since launch day June 4th, coming from the Touch Pro 2 I was honestly thinking of taking it back with in my 30 days and holding off for the Epic as well. Good god am I happy I didn't now. Even though I'm currently waiting on my 2nd replacement so in all my 3rd one since launch, it still beats all the bulls*** problems the Epic has. I mean image retention? really? The biggest deal breaker of them all has to be the fact that it's a SAMSUNG though. F*** SAMSUNG! HTC for life! I've been nothing but happy with HTC since the 6700, to the Mogul, to the Touch Pro, Touch Pro 2 and now my amazing EVO =]

tdusen said:
This was the reason I returned my AT&T Captivate and switched to the EVO. Samsung claimed that the GPS was fixed in the Epic. Thanks for confirming that I made the right decision.
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You know what, I was playing with my friends Epic this past Saturday, for about 4 hours, and I never got a lock on the gps, during those four hours.

meh, aesthetically the evo wins in art design. too sleek, too minimal, light red/chrome accents.... love it.
never liked samsung's cellphone designs or their logo.
would like to have the improved graphics capabilities in the evo though.

The screen issue should have been expected lol. I bet the hardware keyboad would be nice to have but I am getting better with this on screen keyboard. The multi-touch droid x keyboard is nice for landscape and swype is great for portrait.
Samsung still makes crappy phones I guess lol. On another note I have never said I "love this phone" as many times as I have with the Evo. Im afraid to upgrade to the next best thing. I feel like a freaking power house with the Evo. Yeah there are other phones with the same or better specs but man this phone just does it all and does it all well. The FPS is arguably the biggest down side and I havnt had any issues with that yet. I do have it unlocked to almost 60 FPS though with CM6.

Epic Fail
Epic Fail!!

I carry both at all times and love them both...although the evo is my main.

I got the Epic the other day, had it for about 6 days, then returned it today and put myself on the waiting list for a White EVO 4G. I got a free EVO from Google's developer seeding program, and it is starting to have that "white spot" where the B on the soft keyboard is - and it's driving me crazy. Since I was given a complimentary EVO, I cannot have it serviced. So, White EVO 4G for me it is.
The EVO is a one of a kind device. The battery drain and TIME WITHOUT SIGNAL issues on the Epic are a dealbreaker. The GPS sucks, yeah, but it still WORKS. The screen door effect on the screen sucks but oh man is that screen beautiful. The hardware keyboard is good but I found myself using Swype 90% more of the time with the Epic.
HTC makes some solid stuff, and this is definitely a solid phone. The Epic 4G had major creaking issues, instantly out of the box - and that is just inexcusable for a $249 phone. The EVO is better built than the Epic and it costs .. less? Hmm..
Anyhow, obviously we're all different, but the battery drain issues were too much for me.

Im currently in the process of switching to Sprint from tmobile and looking into these two phones. Im coming from the samsung vibrant which should be an easy transition to the epic but i dont now if i can deal with the keyboard. Ive been playing around with my freinds evo alot and LOVE the size. 4.3 in display is awesome. Most people think 4in is just right but im one of those guys that think bigger is better .
Here are my pros for both
Epic
FAR better screen.
Better battery life.
Far better 3d perfromance
Slightly Better processor
Evo
Awsome 4.3 screen size
Better Development support
Dual LED
Better design/look
Leaning towards the evo right now only because im not a keyboard guy.

I would add to your pros list:
Epic
Far better video recording and dedicated shutter button
Evo
Froyo
Sense copy/paste
BTW, battery life on the Epic, depending on the user, is anywhere from a lot better to a lot worse than the Evo. The issue is the SAMOLED screen and the increased power consumption it needs to produce whites. If you watch a lot of video, especially movies with dark scenes, the battery will last a good while. But if you primarily surf the net and those pages are pretty much black text on white background, your battery experience will be worse. So battery life is a YMMV. Some reviewers thought it was better than the Evo, but Anandtech uses internet surfing to gauge battery life, and it was significantly shorter than the Evo when using 3G (but a skosh higher over 4G). The Evo lasted much longer over wifi.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3891/samsung-epic-4g-review-the-fastest-android-phone/8

twilk73 said:
The screen issue should have been expected lol. I bet the hardware keyboad would be nice to have but I am getting better with this on screen keyboard. The multi-touch droid x keyboard is nice for landscape and swype is great for portrait.
Samsung still makes crappy phones I guess lol. On another note I have never said I "love this phone" as many times as I have with the Evo. Im afraid to upgrade to the next best thing. I feel like a freaking power house with the Evo. Yeah there are other phones with the same or better specs but man this phone just does it all and does it all well. The FPS is arguably the biggest down side and I havnt had any issues with that yet. I do have it unlocked to almost 60 FPS though with CM6.
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Actually when I was testing the epic, fps2d showed <45fps. Tested on 3-4 phones in the sprint store.

I have had several Samsung devices. The i760, The Moment etc and EVERY one of them has GPS issues that Samsung "tries" in vain to fix down the road.
It is just frightening how you can count on some companies to make the same mistakes over and over again!

Just curious, does the Epic have that same "cheap plastic" feel that the other Galaxy S phones have? One thing I love about the EVO is its solid, heavy feeling.

TheBiles said:
Just curious, does the Epic have that same "cheap plastic" feel that the other Galaxy S phones have? One thing I love about the EVO is its solid, heavy feeling.
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Its more solid than the vibrant, but it still feels lighter than evo. I guess its personal preference. Since i got used to the vibrant is feels great. First time i picked up the evo it felt to heavy, and because of its size i could really feel it when I put it in my pocket, but loved how it looked. But after playing with it for most of that day i got used to it and had no problems

TheBiles said:
Just curious, does the Epic have that same "cheap plastic" feel that the other Galaxy S phones have? One thing I love about the EVO is its solid, heavy feeling.
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the keyboard does feel cheap. didn't like the buttons at all.

I really, really hate to admit this but...

When I got home tonight, I activated my evo because I missed it and wanted to try out some angry birds on it. To make my usually long story short, I hate to admit it but when I reactivated the epic, I think its better for what I want to do with a phone. That's a shame too. My evo isn't getting any love anymore from me. So sad, that was my baby. I really hate to let it go but I've had so many people want to buy my evo, that its surprising. Snce in my area evos are still sold out, I could probably get a little more than what I paid for it. Add to it the rebate, that I haven't sent in yet, and I would be turning a profit on it. Heh, decisions, decisions.
To me, the epic seems quicker but at the same time, sluggish in other areas. I'm sure that when 2.2 comes out, it will make this a better phone and experience. Once the battery has been conditioned a few times, I'd be so bold as to say that the epic might have better battery life than my evo. I can still watch the battery go down on the evo when the epic seems to not need a recharge as often. The htc's battery was conditioned and running fresh 3200 with the "new" battery tweaks. The epic is still outlasting it. I'm not trying to stir the pot, I'm just saying this is what I observed tonight.

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When I got home tonight, I activated my evo because I missed it and wanted to try out some angry birds on it. To make my usually long story short, I hate to admit it but when I reactivated the epic, I think its better for what I want to do with a phone. That's a shame too. My evo isn't getting any love anymore from me. So sad, that was my baby. I really hate to let it go but I've had so many people want to buy my evo, that its surprising. Snce in my area evos are still sold out, I could probably get a little more than what I paid for it. Add to it the rebate, that I haven't sent in yet, and I would be turning a profit on it. Heh, decisions, decisions.
To me, the epic seems quicker but at the same time, sluggish in other areas. I'm sure that when 2.2 comes out, it will make this a better phone and experience. Once the battery has been conditioned a few times, I'd be so bold as to say that the epic might have better battery life than my evo. I can still watch the battery go down on the evo when the epic seems to not need a recharge as often. The htc's battery was conditioned and running fresh 3200 with the "new" battery tweaks. The epic is still outlasting it. I'm not trying to stir the pot, I'm just saying this is what I observed tonight.
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If the Evo is from Sprint youre not going to get it, it must be mailed in within 30 days... as far as ccomparisons... eh not a fan of keyboards or samsung though, great phone nonetheless

herbthehammer said:
When I got home tonight, I activated my evo because I missed it and wanted to try out some angry birds on it. To make my usually long story short, I hate to admit it but when I reactivated the epic, I think its better for what I want to do with a phone. That's a shame too. My evo isn't getting any love anymore from me. So sad, that was my baby. I really hate to let it go but I've had so many people want to buy my evo, that its surprising. Snce in my area evos are still sold out, I could probably get a little more than what I paid for it. Add to it the rebate, that I haven't sent in yet, and I would be turning a profit on it. Heh, decisions, decisions.
To me, the epic seems quicker but at the same time, sluggish in other areas. I'm sure that when 2.2 comes out, it will make this a better phone and experience. Once the battery has been conditioned a few times, I'd be so bold as to say that the epic might have better battery life than my evo. I can still watch the battery go down on the evo when the epic seems to not need a recharge as often. The htc's battery was conditioned and running fresh 3200 with the "new" battery tweaks. The epic is still outlasting it. I'm not trying to stir the pot, I'm just saying this is what I observed tonight.
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I agree. As the days go by Im dis liking my evo more and more and loving the Epic. My first big gripe is the feel of the phone compared it seems so much lighter?
Another is the keyboard although I admit I hardly use the slide out but when I do its at those times when I really need a keyboard lol. And thats when its important and its so un-intrusive its 1000% useful
Overall feel of the Samsung isnt as high quality as the HTC but Im such a baby with my electronics it could be made out of glass it would last longer than most people live lol.
But I think it wouldnt fair as well if dropped to the evo who knows Im not going to test that one out.
Anyone want to buy a mint condition EVO? lol

Oh god, your title was misleading. I thought this was going to be one of those I'm returning my epic for this reason blah blah. Anyways great choice, I returned my Evo for this phone and I couldn't be happier. I actually use this phone, instead of flashing roms/themes every day. Everything runs fast on this phone, much faster than the Evo. Although both are great phones the Epic has more potential, imo.

I am returning this piece of junk. The GPS is for crap period. I really don't think a proper fix is coming. Look at the vibrant still no fix. My screen is ALREADY retaining burn in of the dialer and task bar. Screen wobble with closing of keyboard. I need a fully functional out of the box phone. Shame on Sprint and Samsung for releasing it full of bugs. I will not trust the safety of my family with this phone. And do not go tell me to buy a tomtom. A phone should do what it is supposed to.
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Maybe you should go get a phone that works out of the box.....because my epic worked fine out of the box no GPS issues, no crashing, no bugs. Outside of the battery life....which is not that bad not much shorter then the iphone 3g its the best phone I have ever had.

Amoled doesn't get burn in, what it gets is dead pixles. I don't have any yet, but the usable life of Amoled is far less because pixles will begin dying off quick as time passes.
If i'm wrong, correct me. I was wrong once before... but that was long ago.
-Roger

...and getting the thread back on track. I have had my Evo since the end of May and loved it, but I have sorely missed the keyboard. I ordered an Epic over the weekend (thanks to Sprint's wonderful policy of providing full $150 rebates for the airave line)and it's waiting at me for home. I am really looking forward to putting it through the paces. I hope I'm as happy with it as the OP was.

I was tore between getting the epic or the evo, bit I'm glad I got the epic, the screen is so awesome! The evo is nice but samoled puts it its big screen to shame. Im not getting any lag on my epic, cant wait for froyo to come out bc my dad's froyoed evo kicks my ass on browser speed, but once it comes out for epic this is gonna be zoomin
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roghaj said:
Amoled doesn't get burn in, what it gets is dead pixles. I don't have any yet, but the usable life of Amoled is far less because pixles will begin dying off quick as time passes.
If i'm wrong, correct me. I was wrong once before... but that was long ago.
-Roger
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We have already had this discussion before because other users have reported burn ins with epics. They do not burn in the same way as lcd's but they do get burn ins.
Screen burn-in: Unlike displays with a common light source, the brightness of each OLED pixel fades depending on the content displayed. The varied lifespan of the organic dyes can cause a discrepancy between red, green, and blue intensity. This leads to image persistence, also known as burn-in.[68]

Epic/sprint rant

Im sorry but i need somewhere to blow of my mind.
Sprint sucks. I hate them. There service is getting worse and worse. I stick with them only because verizon credit fee is alot att has a 2gb dat plan and tmobile only has edge in most places. Sprints idea of service is by havijng no service with 2g and 3g... so there for my battery sucks no matter what phone i get because it is always searching for service.
So what's sprints answer to that? Build more 3g towers so we can get service or how about 2g so we can at least make phone call? No. They added another 4g radio that comsumes more battery then ever and has it in 18 cities originally about 8 and then we pay (which is understandable so they can get more money to build 4g) but is utterly stujpid how they are going about it.. at least tombile lit up most place with hsdpa before releaseing a phone and verizon im sure is going to do the same thing....
Now for the epic.
I had the evo for about a week and i miss the kick stand and stability and the brightness of the screen... i also miss the custom roms but that will take time i know.
What i hate about the epic is the screen is way to f ing bright that i can't look at it at night tikme. It honestly pisses me off. And then we you go to a white screen it gets even brighter. Wtf is the problem with that. I can't use my phone half of the time unoless i tur on a light cause my eyes burn me. Yes its better then the evo but the evo was muc more darker when needed.
I get even less service with this pphone then i did with my palm pre. My hero and my evo. and the phon us buggy as hell.
Im not trying to turn people away from the epic because i love it so much more then the evo. But sprints to fix this bugs fast or samsung.
They also need t fix the f up battery icon that you thbink your phone is fully charged and its really dying. Also the bug when let's say your phone is at 30 percent and you plug it in and leave in and reset it will boot back up at 70 percent. Then you have the phone charger that take 8 years to charge your phone and if you are using it forget it. It wont budge or may even die while charing.
Ill give it time for a radio update and a few patches to see what's good.
Also evo users or people scared to change or can't decide the evo was completely bugged when it first came out and the radio was worse then the epics one so don't think its cookies wth the evo either. They just updated it to tbere idea od pferection.
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I understand it's a rant, but you're angry at sprint for expanding a newer service?

I think the bad connection has to do with where u live. Maybe sprint doesn't have good coverage where u live. I luckily an in a good coverage area and although I don't have 4g in my area I'm happy with my service. Perhaps u should call sprint and they will give u a free airrave and maybe that will help a bit.
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Im angry at sprint not finishing or perfecting there 3g service before moving on to 4g.
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dondadah88 said:
Im angry at sprint not finishing or perfecting there 3g service before moving on to 4g.
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Sprint is a company..making towers to blanket the entire population is not economical...if anything 4g is good because wimax is cheaper to deploy thus more possibility of getting access once added. We all wish that Cellphone companies were like energy companies where there was only 1 network and you get to choose your provider... unfortunately that is not the case :/
I agree with the person above to get sprint to give you a free 3g airwave.

Lol...... When I got half way through your rant, you reminded me of someone........ the jewish kid's annoying f ing cousin on south park that never shuts the f#?k up about anything.wow first person I ever could even imagine that would complain about a screen bring too bright as well...... Ummmmmm if you don't like it go into settings and turn it down......... or kill yourself
Swyped from my Evo

Ill try to get a free 3g airwave from them. I dont the want edge one.
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Have you tried the airplane mode trick? Sounds like you may have the time without signal > 50% bug

Yes i have and at saved alittle bit of my battery life. I don't know i have to see if they cone out with an update.
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That's strange. When i view a white page my screen automatically dims itself.
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ryanalan82 said:
Lol...... When I got half way through your rant, you reminded me of someone........ the jewish kid's annoying f ing cousin on south park that never shuts the f#?k up about anything.wow first person I ever could even imagine that would complain about a screen bring too bright as well...... Ummmmmm if you don't like it go into settings and turn it down......... or kill yourself
Swyped from my Evo
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LOL, you been here for a while too and never post here either, did you feel inclined to do so.... I know I did.
Too bright of a display? go ahead and call Samsung and tell them that the main selling feature of the whole SAMOLED display isn't working for you. They will just tell you to buy a different phone. You do realize the screen is bright on the epic because the screen is incomparable between the two as far as quality right? You know 16777216 colors Samoled equal a more crisp vibrant/"brighter!" display VS a 65536 colors, TFT washed out mess the evo has.
Every carrier has dead spots, Sorry your in one but it happens. I have no service at my house, but neither does att and verizon and I am not at the point where I have a nervous breakdown when the phone has no data service.
On the battery, well working at a Verizon store and I would say 7 out of 10 customer with pda's come in complaining about battery life. I hear the famous "I have to charge my phone every night" complain in my sleep. Big processors, lots of ram, and big screens drain batteries.
While I been on xda I have had two vouge's, htc diamond, htc touch pro 2. Each one of those had a 65536 color display and was hell bent on getting an evo but every time I went to order one it was sold out. Went to a radioshack to buy a router and saw the tmobil galaxy on display and was mesmerized when I saw that display. It was like something I never tasted before, As an HTC fan I never looked into samsung. After seeing that thing, did some research and found it it best it in every way so I bought it, and yes the battery sucks even in good service just like every other phone I have had. Solution, car charger + extra/extended battery, problem solved.
(Hardcore windows user here, who is breaking apart roms that minute the phone comes out of the box I would tell you the EPIC is a great phone. Even with a crappy battery I will recommend this to everybody. Second day with it and cant put it down)

The battery life isn't even that terrible. With google talk + google voice turned on and reasonable usage, I can easily make it through the day without having to charge. I turned off automatic brightness and that pretty much did the trick for me.

Yeah I felt inclined to post cause I get pissed at people that ***** like crazy....lol
Anyways, I got an evo and rarely have 4g,and barely have 3g at my place, but the evo gets better reception than any other phone I've had. And when I go to my cousin's for the weekend it is a dead area with barely any 3g, so what do I do while I'm there, go into wifi. I know he is going to hate paying the extra money for am epic and not getting the full befits. I never ***** and moan about it....ya know why, cause even in 3g I get what ever music I want, when I want for free. My first android device and I can pull in 26 cds in a day without 4g. Yeah ide say I know how to get my moneys worth. And if your wondering, tunee, and swarm coupled with just downloading the torrent file from stock broswer........ Yes I do love raping sprints data.
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Firon said:
The battery life isn't even that terrible. With google talk + google voice turned on and reasonable usage, I can easily make it through the day without having to charge. I turned off automatic brightness and that pretty much did the trick for me.
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Its about the same as my rhodium, between 3/5pm have to charge it but I abuse my phone so thats normal.
@ the OP.... No issues on battery indicator/ charging here, even the gps is working fine for me...... Then again waiting for the gps to lock doesn't bother me......u know just like any standalone gps...

This is what i mean by my battery percent it doesnt look like 49 percent and the battery icon looks like 75.
Im not some stupid look person trying to start something im 22. I have been with sprint for 4 years now. Did you see any of my thought process i put.into my thread. It sounded like i have a solid back ground.
And i wish my phone lasted a day. If it did. I wouldn't complain. I have plug it out at 6am and charge it at 11 then plug it out by 2 and charge it by 8 and its alot annoying because of the slow charge.
Don't jump at me like im stupid.
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I don't like to say anything if it's not nice most of the time, but seriously? Make up your mind, you hate a lot of the features but you love it so much. I can understand the bad signal pissing you off, I have virtually no signal at my job, so 8 hours of my day i go on random roam signals here and there, but at the same time as someone already pointed out, most companies have dead spots. Period.
Everywhere else I get 4 - 5 Sprint bars. Heck at some spots I have to turn Wi-Fi off to run off of Sprint's 3G cause it's better. Point being, most phones on most companies will do what they're supposed to most places. As mentioned again, batteries can only do so much. Think about what you do with the phone any given day, it's amazing a battery can even do what it can. I can use the phone moderately to heavy and still make it with about 20 - 30% left at the end of the day.
Lastly, do you even know what the biggest selling point of the Epic was? Besides the insane processor, and full keyboard, 4G and other nooks and crannies, the Screen was the biggest selling point. Do me a favor and switch to the Coral live wallpaper, and then play with that for a few mins, hopefully that helps make my point. Try the same on the evo if you can or any other phone without Amoled

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This is what i mean by my battery percent it doesnt look like 49 percent and the battery icon looks like 75.
Im not some stupid look person trying to start something im 22. I have been with sprint for 4 years now. Did you see any of my thought process i put.into my thread. It sounded like i have a solid back ground.
And i wish my phone lasted a day. If it did. I wouldn't complain. I have plug it out at 6am and charge it at 11 then plug it out by 2 and charge it by 8 and its alot annoying because of the slow charge.
Don't jump at me like im stupid.
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The problem is you are making yourself sound stupid. This isn't the place for a crying and complaining thread. Honestly, no one wants to hear it, and it makes you look like a big baby. You are foremost complaining about the flagship feature on the Galaxy S phones (The screen brightness, SAMOLED). You know there are options and settings to control that the way you like? Stop throwing a fit, and acting like a child, and simply put; no one would treat you like one.

I started laughing out loud. What a moron this guy is. Complaining that the screen burns his eyes because it's too bright! Something is seriously ****ed up with your head man. Everyone I show mine to says "WOW that's amazingly bright and crisip, what is it?"
I sometimes wonder about these types of people who will actually type out something so stupid and dumb and then press "post"!
Do they not realize that almost all of their complaints could be fixed if they actually put some effort into them?
1. turn the brightness down dumbass
2. call sprint and get an airave, or go to the store and get one.
Instead they want to come here and waste their time typing it out. 22 years old and sounds like my 12 year old bratty sister when she has pms.

I was thinking about swapping my Epic today for an EVO- it's a great phone, but I am very much over the whole physical keyboard thing. I can type much faster on an iPhone screen than any physical keyboard (probably just my lack of practice on a physical keyboard), and I'm about as fast using Swype and some of the other keyboard apps I've downloaded in the past week.
But I wish the phone was a bit thinner, and I really wish it had more a solid feel when pushing the physical buttons on the side. Because of the slider, when I push the side buttons, it begins to slide on the track a bit, which is to be expected from a slider phone. It just lacks that nice solid feel of the iPhone or EVO. And the 4.3" screen just feels like the right size, whereas the Epic is a tad small in comparison.
The two main reasons I didn't switch to the EVO, besides the current lack of stock, is the battery life and the lackluster graphics chip. I could get over both of them- right now I'm very happy with the Epic in terms of battery life, and the phone flies compared with any other phone I've used, except maybe the iPhone 4.
Not sure if I'll keep the Epic or switch to the EVO before the month is out, but it is a nice phone, and I really can't see people complaining passionately about it- there really isn't that much to not like.

Pre > Epic > Evo > back to Epic

For anyone trying to decide between the Evo and Epic, here is my take after having each for at least 2 weeks as my primary phone. These are just my opinions as everyone has different tastes
I must be an exception to the rule...I switched from a Palm Pre to the Epic for a couple weeks. I liked swype so much I decided to drop the epic for the evo.
After using an Evo for two weeks I traded it back for an Epic and I like the Epic much better for a few reasons.
First I didn't care for HTC Sense. I like the gallery, email, music player, calendar, and various apps included with the Epic better than HTC's versions. Also, HTC doesn't ship a file browser or task manager whereas Samsung does. Some people will say "just install one from the market" but those typically all have ads. I realize you can remove the ads with a host file, but that’s beside the point. These are basic OS functions that should be included.
Second the Epic feels much faster. Scrolling is smoother and games run better. Froyo or not, it’s faster.
Third…contrary to what you may believe it is MUCH easier to root an Epic. With the Epic you can essentially take the long way or the shortcut 1-click method but the Evo HW0004 currently there is only a long somewhat difficult root process.
Fourth, everyone complains that the dev community is so much better for the Evo. I would argue that this community is really top notch and has been extremely helpful and understanding to new users such as myself. I saw a lot more flaming going on in Evo forums.
Finally the hardware: Something overlooked by many, the Epic is way more comfortable to hold. Turns out rounded corners are round for a reason. After browsing the web & xda for about 30 min on the Evo I noticed the center of my palm, right where the bottom corner rests was a tad sore, almost felt bruised. This is not a problem with the Epic with its nicely rounded body and curved back. Also the earpiece is much better on the Epic, its louder clearer and is more comfortable up to the ear. And yes, the samoled screen is worth the 0.3” loss in size.
I wouldn't even consider the Evo Shift at this point. I'm shocked to see so many people recommending it over the Epic which to me is well worth the higher price.

If they fix the keyboard issues, GPS issues, and battery life issues I would agree with you that the Epic 4G is definitely the best phone on Sprint. If a Droid or the iPhone had even one of these issues, all of the media outlets would be up in arms and there would be mass returns. They are all MAJOR issues. For some reason, Samsung is allowed to get away with it on the Galaxy S devices. People are not really returning their devices in large numbers (as far as I know), and all of the reviewers gave the Galaxy S devices very high scores.
The reality is this is essentially a device with alpha or beta quality software on it, that is not getting fixed until at least six months after release. I am not buying Samsung again for mobile phones.

I have to agree with op. Best phone i ever had, and i have had quite a few smartphones. even before official froyo, it runs much smoothr than the few evos i played with. Gps, keyboard is perfect for me. And the screen is amazing.....
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Stock Evo vs. Epic battery life is within 5% I would say. I couldn't tell any difference in my usage. Probably because I am almost always within Wi-fi range which makes a big difference.
Keyboard on the Epic doesn't impress, I'll agree with you. Thats probably why I use swype most of the time. It is very handy to punch in passwords though.
GPS is better on the Evo. If you are a road warrior I would avoid the Galexy S line. That said, if you enable GPS & wireless networks it will place you on the map within 30 seconds, but it is definitely not as accurate as the Evo. Supposedly Samsung is working on improvements.
Thanks for bringing up some points I didn't include!

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If they fix the keyboard issues, GPS issues, and battery life issues I would agree with you that the Epic 4G is definitely the best phone on Sprint. If a Droid or the iPhone had even one of these issues, all of the media outlets would be up in arms and there would be mass returns. They are all MAJOR issues. For some reason, Samsung is allowed to get away with it on the Galaxy S devices. People are not really returning their devices in large numbers (as far as I know), and all of the reviewers gave the Galaxy S devices very high scores.
The reality is this is essentially a device with alpha or beta quality software on it, that is not getting fixed until at least six months after release. I am not buying Samsung again for mobile phones.
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A. The keyboard is the only legitimate argument you have here.
B. Most users who buy the epic(and yes, the users who root and are members of this forum are the minority) do not see a GPS problem. I didn't even notice one till I started reading this forum and trying to replicate the problem. I have two friends with Epics, and they have never complained of the GPS not working.
C. The battery is no worse than the Evo, and that is a fact. Read on both forums and you will see that everyone gets VERY comparable operating times. Unfortunately with screen this big and clear, you aren't going to get the battery life of other phones. Have you seen the screens on Evo and Epic compared to iphone and droid? They are night and day difference, and the product of that is battery life.
If you go to the Droid forums you will see complaints as well, however because 80% of the public does not have the same demand as the users of forums like this, the complaints are not escalated as highly. The high end techies complain about everything that is not perfect, cause techies are never satisfied, I should know, I am in that boat. However, that does not mean we are holding a inferior piece of hardware/software. Outside of this forum, I have never met a normal person dissatisfied with their Epic or Evo.

I was in a sprint store last week getting a replacement Epic so while waiting i did about 15 seperate 4g bandwidth tests with the floor demo and my replacement Epic comparing it it side to side with the Evo. I'm disappointed to say not only did the Evo best the Epic every time in some instances it nearly doubled the speed. It regularly was 1-3 megabits a second faster and the fastest speed for a Epic was 7.2 megs and the Evo was 10 megs. I also noticed that even though we were in a full coverage area the Epic would go from full to no bars for some unknown reason. The Evo must have a better antenna or the Epic has some reception issues. Has anyone else tested this out?

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...C. The battery is no worse than the Evo, and that is a fact. Read on both forums and you will see that everyone gets VERY comparable operating times. Unfortunately with screen this big and clear, you aren't going to get the battery life of other phones. Have you seen the screens on Evo and Epic compared to iphone and droid? They are night and day difference, and the product of that is battery life...
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I'm going to chime in here and state that the Epic's 45-nm S5PC110 is ~20% more power efficient than the EVO's 65-nm QSD8650. The SAMOLED on the Epic does eat more juice than the EVO's LCD when cranked all the way up or when displaying lots of white pages, but when displaying dark colors and blacks it can sip less energy.

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A. The keyboard is the only legitimate argument you have here.
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Agreed, the keyboard is junk on this device. I am not sure if it is software, hardware, or both that causes the missed keys. Hopefully it is just software issues...
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B. Most users who buy the epic(and yes, the users who root and are members of this forum are the minority) do not see a GPS problem. I didn't even notice one till I started reading this forum and trying to replicate the problem. I have two friends with Epics, and they have never complained of the GPS not working.
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I can see how for some people, the GPS issues are not a big deal, but it is for people who do not want to do any sort of hacking whatsoever to help decrease the long lock times. Not the end of the world, I'll grant you that, but my point is that this would not be accepted on any other major mobile phone, so why is it so accepted on the Galaxy S devices? Look at how up in arms people were about the iPhone 4's relatively minor "death grip" problem.
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C. The battery is no worse than the Evo, and that is a fact. Read on both forums and you will see that everyone gets VERY comparable operating times. Unfortunately with screen this big and clear, you aren't going to get the battery life of other phones. Have you seen the screens on Evo and Epic compared to iphone and droid? They are night and day difference, and the product of that is battery life.
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When it works as it should, it can have great battery life (mine under DK28 works great and I get around 20 to 30 hours on a charge with moderate usage). That being said, there are problems in the software that, on some phones under certain conditions, cause absurdly bad battery life (10% battery drain or more per hour while idle, which is how mine was until I upgraded to DK28 and how my friends' Fascinates are) and cause the phone to heat up considerably while idle. I have only ever heard of this happening with Galaxy S phones. Either way, frequent updates from Samsung and getting the latest Android release reasonably fast would mitigate this complaint for me, but that doesn't happen, so it is a legitimate complaint.
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If you go to the Droid forums you will see complaints as well, however because 80% of the public does not have the same demand as the users of forums like this, the complaints are not escalated as highly. The high end techies complain about everything that is not perfect, cause techies are never satisfied, I should know, I am in that boat. However, that does not mean we are holding a inferior piece of hardware/software. Outside of this forum, I have never met a normal person dissatisfied with their Epic or Evo.
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I will agree that many people expect too much out of their smart phones. 20 to 30 hours is not enough for many people. That being said, 10 hour battery life doing absolutely nothing with the phone is completely ridiculous, and it is a legitimate software problem with the Galaxy S devices.
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I believe every phone's capabilities have to do with their "abuse" levels. Higher the abuse, lower the satisfaction. And, with higher abuse there will be more frequent visits to the Sprint store than usual.
I got my Epic on the day it came out (8/30/2010) and I have to admit this is a very beautiful phone with nice features. And the custom roms just spice it up even more (with less abuse of course)

If you have 10% drain an hour then you have app issues or something running in the background. On eclair I was getting 60 - 80 hours with no problem. On froyo it has been 20 - 30 hours now with ext 4 its up to 55 hours
Our stock standby time is 300 hours evo is like 200.
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Since im replying from my phone and I don't feel like editing a quote I'll just say that the gps is a MAJOR issue as I was never able to use it until I started having my phone. Considering gps is such a basic feature nowadays that is unacceptable.
Sent from my ext4 Epic 4G running Bonsai4all 1.1.3!

so far so good
I'm always tempted by the path not chosen, but so far the Epic has done everything I've needed it to do.
I drive for a living, and while the GPS does take time to lock, it does lock. Otherwise I can find myself on the map and plot my route on the map to at least start my travels until it does lock. I consider this to be standard GPS protocol :/
I could really care less about the keyboard, but for some reason Sprint has designated the slider as their form factor of choice since the PPC-6700. It misses keys, and I thought it was just me, but I'll just have to factor that in and type more carefully. But only the form factor and the OS have been real temptations for me.
I was in the market to replace my Flip camera, and when i saw the video comparisons between the Evo and the Epic, I knew I would be very disappointed with the Evo. And while it may not matter to some, I appreciate the dedicated 2 step camera button.
I'm also feel I'm in the minority when I say that I really like plug location. I leave the phone plugged in while I drive, and it's nice to not have to stow the phone upside down and have to hold it around the plug. This has been a plus with every Samsung phone I have had, the ability to charge it in the upright position. And I cannot tell you how much I adore the slide cover of the plug.
The screen looks great from any angle even in bright light I can see it better than I could ever see the screen on my TP2.
Now, is the phone light and cheap feeling? Possibly. But I would rather drop a light phone than a heavy phone. Think about it. I already dropped it once trying to take a picture of something on the floor. Wood floor, no harm, lesson learned. But the phone seems well put together, and it should last at least the year before I can upgrade to, whatever.
4G, eh, whatever. I play with it in Chicago, and it's iffy at best. They basically tacked on an extra radio, and I mostly pretend it's not there. However, it does grant the ability to do simultaneous voice and data, which will be a plus if this network ever expands and takes hold.
So even though I am sick to death of waiting for Froyo since I'm checking on it every day, I still know I made the right choice as far as what Sprint has to offer.

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I also noticed that even though we were in a full coverage area the Epic would go from full to no bars for some unknown reason.
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This happens to me all the time. Months ago there were some posts postulating that this problem may be because the Epic's network defaults to "WCDMA preferred" under the advanced network settings, and WCDMA, despite its name, is actually a protocol for GSM phones, not CDMA phones. The thought is that it preferentially periodically goes looking for these networks it cannot connect to.
I have found that switching this setting to "CDMA auto" causes my "time without signal" to drop from ~50% to about 4%, so there's probably something to that argument. Unfortunately the phone seems to change itself back, especially when it reboots, and in any case I still get the bars dropping away quite often, even after changing this.

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I'm also feel I'm in the minority when I say that I really like plug location. I leave the phone plugged in while I drive, and it's nice to not have to stow the phone upside down and have to hold it around the plug.
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I also like the plug where it is, though I didn't think I would when I got it. It is so much nicer than a bottom or side plug, not only when plugged into the car, but also when plugged in anywhere else, especially at the computer.

I really like my Epic over the Evo. My cuz has an Evo and it looks and feels so big and square, I really don't think I'd like carrying that thing in my pocket, like I carry my Evo. And for me, Evo's screen is actually larger than needed. I lived without a keyboard for two years with my HTC Touch and now, I can't go without a keyboard. I personally find Swype to be inaccurate and I constantly had to make adjustments. I use the android keyboard when not typing on the keyboard.

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This happens to me all the time. Months ago there were some posts postulating that this problem may be because the Epic's network defaults to "WCDMA preferred" under the advanced network settings, and WCDMA, despite its name, is actually a protocol for GSM phones, not CDMA phones. The thought is that it preferentially periodically goes looking for these networks it cannot connect to.
I have found that switching this setting to "CDMA auto" causes my "time without signal" to drop from ~50% to about 4%, so there's probably something to that argument. Unfortunately the phone seems to change itself back, especially when it reboots, and in any case I still get the bars dropping away quite often, even after changing this.
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I too noticed that in the settings. When I switch to CDMA auto, the bars were almost always full or close to full even when I was in areas that historically gave me a bad signal. Unfortunately, the phone swtiches back to WCDMA and I go back to my normal, high-and-low signal.

One final note as I am actually switching to an evo today. On the topic of task killers the one included with the epic is crap. It does not show programs samsung does not want you ending and so I've always used advanced task killer. To me GPS that works and manufacturer support far outweigh the need for a manufacturer supplied task killer.
Sent from my ext4 Epic 4G running Bonsai4all 1.1.3!

kenvan19 said:
One final note as I am actually switching to an evo today. On the topic of task killers the one included with the epic is crap. It does not show programs samsung does not want you ending and so I've always used advanced task killer. To me GPS that works and manufacturer support far outweigh the need for a manufacturer supplied task killer.
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I think I'm switching to the Epic but I haven't considered the GPS issue. I just assume I'll get a good one. lol. To me, the screen, the still and video camera are reasons to switch. Though the dev community doesn't seem as robust for Epic and the manufacturer support clearly isn't there as well.

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I think I'm switching to the Epic but I haven't considered the GPS issue. I just assume I'll get a good one. lol. To me, the screen, the still and video camera are reasons to switch. Though the dev community doesn't seem as robust for Epic and the manufacturer support clearly isn't there as well.
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You can get GPS working you just have to be on DK28. If you like the phone by all means get it. It comes down to opinions and my opinion is that there really isn't anything I like about the Epic. Its got great graphics and a good camera but I have a 42" flatscreen+a PS3 for gaming and I have a 12mp camera for pictures, I don't need my phone to do those things. Sure, having a hardware keyboard is great but considering I have to slow my typing speed down so I don't miss letters and how much I've come to love swype I don't really want/need it anymore. I've said this in the Evo Shift vs Epic thread and I'll say it here: Go try both phones. If you like one more than the other, buy it. Manufacturers and Carriers are always going to skew their descriptions and spec sheets to get you to buy something, so just go with what you want.

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If you have 10% drain an hour then you have app issues or something running in the background. On eclair I was getting 60 - 80 hours with no problem. On froyo it has been 20 - 30 hours now with ext 4 its up to 55 hours
Our stock standby time is 300 hours evo is like 200.
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I am not quite sure exactly what it is, but it seems to be restricted to Galaxy S phones. I spent quite a lot of time trying to figure out what was causing it on my phone, and while I have heard of people like you who got good battery life in 2.1, everyone I know who has a Galaxy S device has this issue. Judging by the fact that for me and others, 2.2 has cleared up the issue, I am guessing there is a fix specifically for this in that update.
For the record, I once ran logcat to see if I could pinpoint the issue. It seemed that Google Sync was querying Google's servers CONSTANTLY even though I had configured to push in GMail, so it could be an issue with Android or the GMail app itself, but why it seems to manifest on Galaxy S devices with alarming frequency is beyond me.