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One of my buddies at work has a rooted Droid X, and I couldn't believe how laggy it is, even compared to the stock JFD Vibrant.
I am not here to pick up the fights with "my phone is better than yours" type of replies, I am just looking for any pointers how to help my buddy because my Vibrant with Nerov3+voodoo (2.2 ROM with /system, /data, /dbdata and /cache converted to EXT4) runs circles around his DX.
I am not sure if it is an app or something that cause this (he does not have much installed), but even looking at the youtube vids of DX his phone feels like it's limping on a half a leg.
So far I know he is running the latest OTA and his phone is rooted, I checked his /system, /data etc are EXT3 - I assume the stock DX has a proper FS unlike my Vibrant when it was stock.
It's probably the blur elements. A custom ROM fixes that quite quickly.
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It's probably the blur elements. A custom ROM fixes that quite quickly.
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Thank you! I will suggest him to join xda and flash a custom ROM.
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Blur shouldn't make it lag that much. Some of his settings might be slowing him down. If he is trying to be real conservative on his battery and set it to "conservative" - it is going to throttle back his CPU usage to try and maintain better battery life.
Need to check a few things like that.
what kind of scores do you get in quadrant on your phone (if you aren't boosting them with the stagefright etc)?
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Blur shouldn't make it lag that much. Some of his settings might be slowing him down. If he is trying to be real conservative on his battery and set it to "conservative" - it is going to throttle back his CPU usage to try and maintain better battery life.
Need to check a few things like that.
what kind of scores do you get in quadrant on your phone (if you aren't boosting them with the stagefright etc)?
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I will see him after the New Year's and will check.
I am not sure what Quadrant scores he is getting, but the phone obviously not performing to its full potential. I get around 1500 Quadrant with EXT4 converted filesystem, it is under a 1000 stock. The boost in score is def the filesystem read/write + a small bump due to JIT on 2.2.
Once rooted try to get setcpu and leave it at 800Mhz permanently. That fixed my issues with lag. Of course a new Rom wouldn't hurt since Stock Verizon/Blur Rom sucks balls.
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A few things I do to speed up the x are; turn off push for e-mail, freeze the stock applications I do not use via titanium backup, and use fast reboot when it slows down anyway. I still have some lag issues but these help. I'm ready for the incredible Hd so I can drop the x, this Motorola device just has never met the mark for me plus I miss sense.
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sandman2025 said:
I'm ready for the incredible Hd so I can drop the x.
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That's my plan too... I wish Motorola gave a similar option like on the original nexus one bootloader...
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Ok so ive rooted this toy, flashed the 1.2ghz kernal and ran quadrant on it. I hit anywhere from 1080 to 1180. Have setcpu on demand at 800 min and 1200 max so why on earth is my rooted nook color running android 2.1 and a flashed 1100mhz kernal hitting wayyyy higher scores? (Around 1280) doesnt seem logical at all. Specially cause this is an actual tablet and thats just a rooted e reader. Did I do something wrong?
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Quadrant is a bad benchmark. It weights i/o far too heavily.
The Tabs RFS filesystems bring its Quadrant score way below where it should be, though in actual use it's very fast.
If you move to EXT4, your Quadrant scores will shoot up by around 80%.
Regards,
Dave
O sweet love of mary. 80% you say. Ok ive seen some posts redarding this ext4 thingymabob. Ill check it out. So if im understanding you correctly by changing to this my tab will perform even better than it does now? Or ill just see a genaric increase on this quadrant test that really means nothing? Sorry im noobish lol
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Well, my tab is currently on ext4 and my quadrant scores completely destroys my rfs score taken earlier.
However, that said, i don't really feel any performance improvements except the satisfaction knowing that my toy is now on an open and faster file system as opposed to a propriatory and slower one ;-)
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Ok so ive looked at some threads containing info but I see no post telling me how to do this magic. Could one of you nice, young, kindhearted souls link me to where I need to go to put this thing on my verizon cdma galaxy tab? Please and thank you sirs?
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Quadrant scores aren't as accurate as people think you know...
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There's an app called OCLF that will transparently add an EXT4 area on the RFS filesystem without needing to convert the whole thing to EXT4, giving you EXT4 IO performance in an easily installable and reversible way. Probably your best choice for trying it out. Otherwise, for the complete conversion, you could try this Modaco ROM/Kernel, which includes a complete conversion to EXT4.
As far as performance differences go, it makes a huge (10x) difference to the Quadrant IO score (measured before and after figures), but no measurable difference to actual performance (measured real-world usage figures). Some people claim to notice a subjective difference, but I never did.
Im using the modaco rom and kernel with ext4.
And it does make a huge difference. I get around 1800 in quadrant now.
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Ok so ive looked at some threads containing info but I see no post telling me how to do this magic. Could one of you nice, young, kindhearted souls link me to where I need to go to put this thing on my verizon cdma galaxy tab? Please and thank you sirs?
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hi,
please be aware that the modaco kernel (rfs/ext4) will not work on CDMA Tabs.
from modaco kernel thread
This kernel is ONLY tested on a UK Galaxy Tab. It MAY work on other GSM Tabs, it almost certainly WON'T work on a CDMA Tab. If you have a non UK Tab and want to test (and know how to flash back to a regular version), then go ahead and report your results. At your own risk.
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mike
robertsydbrink said:
Im using the modaco rom and kernel with ext4.
And it does make a huge difference. I get around 1800 in quadrant now.
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That's the point!
It makes a huge difference in Quadrant, which is a synthetic benchmark, but far, far less difference in real world usage - hence it is a crap benchmark!
Pre-EXT4 my Tab would pull around 1000 in Quadrant, whereas my Desire HD would pull around 1800. However in real usage, they seem to perform pretty much the same which is not too surprising as they are similarly specified. On EXT4, my Tab pulls around 1800 now, but still performs much like my DHD.
I so wish people would stop bandying about Quadrant scores because they are meaningless.
Regards,
Dave
If you look at the scores in quadrant , they are split by colour so you can see how good the graphics capabilities are for example and compare to other phones. The colour codes are at the bottom of quadrant by the way
Linpack is a better benchmark. Not perfect, but better
Not really - Linpack only tests floating point performance.
Regards,
Dave
Wow, I started a heated discussion lol. Well ive downloaded the one click lag fix but have not applied the ext2 tools as yet. Want to do more reading about it first. Obviously I want my yab to be the best it can be but I surely dont want to make it genericly better at the expence of my video grafix as one user said he suffered in that thread.
More reserch required
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Taking Quadrant scores aside, when I made the switch from CF-Root to the Ext4 MCK, I really did notice a huge improvement in real world usage. I'm not sure if it is really because of the change in file system, but nevertheless thats the only big thing present in that kernel aside from CWM.
Everything said make sense and seems to be valid but let me share my experience.
I have Samsung Galaxy Vibrant and T-mobile Tab. Now both are using EXT4 file system and have fully functional recovery allowing for flashing straight from the phone.
Both now have Quanrant score around 1700-1800 and run very smothly.
Is I/O speed important? I think it is very important because task switching requires reading of huge chuncks of memory. Until read operation completed the user is essencially suspended. Multitasking is the major distinction of Android and lags associated with the tasks switching might be the most noticeable issue since its used so much. Converting of the RFS file system to EXT4 practically reduced lags to unnoticeable level. I don't need any better.
Another critical area for I/O is playing video and especially capturing HD video. The latter works only if I set internal storage and shut down all tasks.
This is work in progress but it seems it reached level of usability when most critical bugs eliminated.
It should be noted that the Tab is flashed with Rotohammer KM2 v1 ROM and Paul Obrien's kernel on a top. The kernel contains scripts converting the file system and flashing recovery. This combination works well, no issues so far.
Well I decided to give it a try and after install my quadrant is 2556 and linpack is 16.865 mflops at 1200mhz. Good scores but just numbers. I do however believe im seeing a bit of snap that I didnt have before when accessing my library. Still really unsure if this is a good thing as im not sure if I can use apps to sd anymore so I may uninstall at some point in the future but thanks to all you who helped the old man out. Atm im quite happy
Now lets get ta craka lackin on a 1.5 ghz update for our tabs
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Of course you can use a2sd. Froyo does it by default
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I think you are pushing!
Overclocking will raise processor/RAM heat dissipation and thus might lead to a catastrophic failure. It would be great to have temperature sensor on the board or at least measure current consumption from the battery but it is not easy.
Of course im a pushin lol. Only way to achieve is to try. Course ive read about the tab proccessor being able to handle 1.4 stable and can handle 1.6... Not that id know about these things first hand. Just taking the words of better men.
Just an old man with a little time to kill and a dream to be able to play facebook cityville on my tab haha. Well that and I have always enjoyed souping up my toys lmao.
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My wife got a shift on release day and i played with it all the time before I got mine yesterday. I was getting 1650 in quadrant on her shift 100% stock no temp or perm root nothing removed ... so yesterday I get my shift, root it right outta the box and kill apps and run quadrant and my highest score is 1340 did rooting it slow it down or did I get a lemon? I havend RUU'd but I factory reset a few times with the same result... on a weird note I know that some peoples phones weren't able to handle the full 1.5 OC but mine does fine and pulls 2275 in quadrant with miui...weird huh?
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I had the same drop from about 1600 to 1300 after rooting it. I always knew when I ran visionary the performance was crap. Didn't really notice any slowness, just saw the numbers from quadrant.
I will check the wifes shift when she gets home (hers is rooted now too) and see if she has the same thing.
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Mine went from 1500's to 1200's
Somethings not right
and I removed tons of bloatware, dont have much apps installed (much less than when I got 1500's)
d1msum4lyfe said:
Mine went from 1500's to 1200's
Somethings not right
and I removed tons of bloatware, dont have much apps installed (much less than when I got 1500's)
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Since rooting?
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z4root doesn't seem to be much better. I'm temprooted with z4root and just got 1328. Prerooting I /think/ it was in the 1500 range.
Weird. I've also got a drop vs unrooted stock. With current Quadrent (1.7.1) I get in the 1300's. With previous version (1.5.1) I get 1400's. Out of the box I had 1500 - 1600.
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sigh..people still use quadrant? if you don't use pro version you can't tell what exactly is dropping or where the difference is..not to mention its flawed..
Try Smartbench 2010 and/or GLBenchmark
Can we just autodelete any posts that start with "sigh"? They never contribute to the conversation.
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I still get in the 1500-1600s perm rooted, usually capping out around 1645. Only thing I didn't do was install the recovery or flash any ROMs. Just froze the apps I didn't want to see in titanium. I also deleted Visionary but that's it. Everything else was the same as before I rooted. I never used my phone in temp root mode though. I went from stock to perm root without doing any performance tests.
I'm running miui oc 1.5g and my first couple tries were in the 2200s, downloaded the new version that just came out, played with it again this morning and I've been getting around 1900, I think the new version that came out may be causing it, version 1.1.7
whoever has an older version, can they pull the apk and let those who are getting 'lower scores' try it and see if the results are the same or not
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What are you talking about? I contributed in saying that you can't base your assumptions on 1 benchmark..mostly a flawed one..in his case he lost "Quadrant Score" but Quadrant Score is vague as there is CPU, IO, 2D, 3D, Memory..
so there is n way to isolate the issue..unless you either use Quadrant Pro or another benchmark...because it can also be another Flaw in Quadrant too..if not you can figure out what exactly is being effected...
But you are right, we should autodelete posts that don't contribute to the discussion..like this guy:
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Can we just autodelete any posts that start with "sigh"? They never contribute to the conversation.
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Cpu is down a little. But I/O and 2D are down quite a bit from when I was running the stock rom, both around half. I'm kind of curious why that is. I'm wondering if its because now I'm on the Deodexed rom and not stock maybe? On a side note I was able to get 2517 on the 1.5ghz OC kernel and Desire ROM though.
Some people know it all I guess
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What are you talking about? I contributed in saying that you can't base your assumptions on 1 benchmark..mostly a flawed one..in his case he lost "Quadrant Score" but Quadrant Score is vague as there is CPU, IO, 2D, 3D, Memory..
so there is n way to isolate the issue..unless you either use Quadrant Pro or another benchmark...because it can also be another Flaw in Quadrant too..if not you can figure out what exactly is being effected...
But you are right, we should autodelete posts that don't contribute to the discussion..like this guy:
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Running the same benchmark on the same phone will tell you something, though. It may not tell you exactly where, but something is suffering.
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I noticed that when I updated quadrant today, my score dropped from around a 1600 to between 1300 and 1400.
I have a Vibrant rooted running the Team Whiskey Bionix-v1.2.1 ROM. I have a few apps that I use daily, but the only one I know does any major damage to speed is beautiful widgets. I don't use any live backgrounds. I scored a 1536 on a benchmark test from Quadrant Standard.
Do you guys know of ways to better these scores?
Use AutoKiller Memory Optimizer
Unless your phone actually feels sluggish I wouldnt worry about quadrant scores. If it is sluggish try installing Voodoo or one of the Universal Lagfix in the developers section.
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Unless your phone actually feels sluggish I wouldnt worry about quadrant scores. If it is sluggish try installing Voodoo or one of the Universal Lagfix in the developers section.
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With a 1500+ quadrant he's already running Voodoo...
I do agree that unless the phone is feeling slow to not worry about it. Quadrant is pretty easy to fudge over 2k even though the phone isn't any faster.
Didn't wana assume lol..
Haha yes I have voodoo, bionix-v1.2.1 comes with it preset. Appreciate the help.
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actually, if you going for score some of the older J-rom series with over clock really scored high........ But with the current setup, you typically have 11-15 or so things that are open and TSR, if you remove alot of those to make it a vanilla barebones, then o.c it...... you can improve the score........ BUT speed scores are not worth much other than bragging rights.......... Like everyone else said if your phone is performing well then,..........who cares about the scores
Yea I'm just trying to see if there are things I can do to make it perform even better than it already is
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Andrew.Dodson07 said:
Yea I'm just trying to see if there are things I can do to make it perform even better than it already is
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What areas is the phone lacking performance for you?
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Yea I'm just trying to see if there are things I can do to make it perform even better than it already is
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Go look up the Dragon 3.6 Kernel in the Dev section. You can overclock the phone a little or a lot depending how much it can handle. I'm running 1.2ghz at the moment.
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What areas is the phone lacking performance for you?
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It really isn't particularly lacking in any way that I can tell. But i remember thinking that same thing back when i had AOL dial up haha. I'm impressed with the phones ability now, i just want to know if this is as good as it gets
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It really isn't particularly lacking in any way that I can tell. But i remember thinking that same thing back when i had AOL dial up haha. I'm impressed with the phones ability now, i just want to know if this is as good as it gets
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Stock 2.2.1 is the fastest/smoothest ROM I've used on this phone ever and it hasn't even been optimized. I also downloaded the Dragon Kernel v3.6 and overclocked it to 1.28Ghz and its very stable. I always use my friends iPhone 4 to compare speeds and with the current setup I have now their isn't any difference in speed.
Ok I aint joking but seriously what is the point of overclocking a Desire z/G2. Unless I am running on a slow phone I don't see the point. Stock speed never lags and i haven't seen any difference between 1.5 ghz vs 800mhz.
The only time when 1.5ghz clock speed is useful is when i running quadrant and rubbing its scores infront of my friends face.
There is any areas where you can actually see the performance difference?
bluntly, if you dont see the point of it then you don't need it.
For others, sometimes you run alot of stuff in the background and still want to be able to have your main app perform at its best level.
There is also the minute tweaking of speed and snappiness of the interface. The idea of instant reaction when you open your message app, or your email, or anything.
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Ok I aint joking but seriously what is the point of overclocking a Desire z/G2. Unless I am running on a slow phone I don't see the point. Stock speed never lags and i haven't seen any difference between 1.5 ghz vs 800mhz.
The only time when 1.5ghz clock speed is useful is when i running quadrant and rubbing its scores infront of my friends face.
There is any areas where you can actually see the performance difference?
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Heavy multitasking
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flash video seems pretty laggy to me at 800...
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=overclocking
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=overclocking
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Best link ever! I hope i can remember it long enough to use it sometime.
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Ya i know what overclocking is but I haven't found one instances where I needed it to run an app. G2 is already damn fast and it runs android with no lag but I really see no point until more demanding ver. of android come out.
I just wanted to see who overclocks their G2 everyday and for what purpose.
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Ya i know what overclocking is but I haven't found one instances where I needed it to run an app. G2 is already damn fast and it runs android with no lag but I really see no point until more demanding ver. of android come out.
I just wanted to see who overclocks their G2 everyday and for what purpose.
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Fair question IMHO.
I don't see the difference when overclocking, or rather I don't feel it. Software does make a difference, but not the extra 200-500Mhz. I do feel however the battery drain
It always makes me laugh when somebody asks a legitimate question and you get silly responses like the above 2. It's as if these people feel threatened and have to justify that they are more knowledgeable than the op. The facts of the matter are most of the tweaks, mods and alterations are wholly unnecessary in the real world.
If you don't feel like it makes it better then you don't have to use it. I use it because I feel it makes everything just a little snappier and more instant. If you don't notice a difference that's fine. It's probably trivial for me to notice the little hang ups but I can't help it.
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For me there's several reasons. For the most part, the reason for oc is because you can. But there are practical reasons as well. For example, with the stock ROM running at 800MHz, you're stuck with that. With an oc kernel and using SetCPU or built in clock settings in CM, you can adjust it as needed. Gonna play a game? Bump it up to 1GHz or so. Done with said game? Take it back down to 800MHz. But it's not all about oc. Sometimes there's a need to underclock. Getting low on battery and don't have a charger near by and need to squeeze another hour or two out of it? Maybe take it down to 768MHz or 600MHz (if you're running Pershoot's kernel).
Dungeon Defender:
800 mHz : not fun, laggy
1.5 gHz : fun, graphic are more smooth
Reasons for using over clocking:
Because I can
Because sometimes I do notice the difference in performance of the UI and some applications (wait for Sense 3.0 etc...)
Because I also use it to underclock.
Like everything else, a lot of it is perception. My wife cannot see any difference between our normal cable channels and the HD ones. I can (or am I just trying to convince myself that I can?). Oh well.
Finally some practical and helpful responses, showing an understanding of the need for information from some people.
here's my experience when it comes to overclocking. keep in mind that, like with your computer, it does vary from user to user... so I'm making these statements from MY experience, not making blanket statements regarding all of our devices:
- if you run multiple homescreens with multiple widgets and ui "smoothness," not just aesthetically, but performance-wise as well, is of concern, mild overclocking becomes necessary.
- if you have several apps running at any given time (in background or foreground) and ui smoothness, same definition as above, is of concern, mild overclocking becomes necessary.
- if you run any iteration of a sense rom in any configuration and ui smoothness is of concern, mild overclocking becomes necessary.
- if you run PSX/N64 emulators and you don't want audio distortion or general lagginess, more aggressive (in my case, 1209 is a safe speed for maximizing performance without having a drastic effect on battery life) overclocking becomes necessary.
on AOSP builds, especially gingerbread-based, I don't think there is a necessity for more processing power than what we get from the factory if you're running a relatively slim setup and aren't using something like a PSX/N64 emulator regularly.
I run mine at 1ghz, but I did use 1.2ghz before. I do notice a slight performance difference. Overall tho I don't notice it much. I notice it more when I'm doing multiple things.
Nonsense!
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Finally some practical and helpful responses, showing an understanding of the need for information from some people.
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For all that you're talking, you have yet to provide anything of value to this conversation while you're sitting up there berating those other 2 posters.
Think about it.
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I run 1.1 because it is noticably faster. Everything opens faster and works smoother. My wife has a stock G2 and when I grab it to look something up on the web or to use maps when we're out, I instantly notice how mucher slower hers is.
Works for me so I use it.
I notice a definite performance boost on mine, but it also depends on which kernel/ROM you use. I was running meXroid for a few days and found that it got extremely laggy even overclocked with Flippy's kernel built in (1.9Ghz), plus my battery was dying faster than a Chuck Norris joke. PyroMod has always been reliable for me and I flashed back to 2.0 earlier and it's just as reliable and power-saving as ever.
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For all that you're talking, you have yet to provide anything of value to this conversation while you're sitting up there berating those other 2 posters.
Think about it.
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Thanks for that.