i have a class 2 sd card that is 4gb. i read that you need class 6 for apps to sd card? will it not work on class 2?
It'll work but it'll just lag your phone down whenever any writing is taking place since the write speed is only 2mb/s compared to a class 6, 6mb/s.
Keep in mind that SDHC "class" system is only a guaranteed minimum. There are some class 4 cards out there that actually out perform some class 6 cards. Do your homework (read:google) and get a card that is > 8MB/s write and > 9MB/s read and you will max out the speed capabilities of your G1.
I can personally verify that the AData class 6 8G and the SanDisk class 6 8G both outperform the G1's capabilities. Also, from what I have read, the SanDisk class 4 16GB also outperforms the G1's capabilities.
Also, I have found that even though the SanDisk and the AData cards mentioned above exceed the G1's capabilities, the AData card is a better card for the G1 (in my particular case.) For some reason my Sandisk card can only get 6.5MB/s write and my AData card can get 8MB/s+ write speed on the G1.
Link to speed tests (please add to it if you have more info)
http://forums.t-mobile.com/tmbl/board/message?board.id=AndroidHardware&thread.id=357
i have a class 4 8GB card and i moved my apps to the sd card about a month ago...it was VERY laggy, so i went back to keeping the apps in the G1's internal memory.
i will try again when i get a class 6.
I have a class 2 16GB Sandisk card, and I have to say - there are no lags whatsoever. The card is much faster than the stock 1GB one, and if moving applications, you don't need that much write speed - the read speed is much more important. I can get 14 MB/sec read speed via cardreader with this card, while the stock 1GB one gives 5 MB/sec only (tested with hdparm).
Just remember - move only applications, NOT their data or caches (which is really unstable anyway). You should have no problems with speed this way - application startup is still fast (if a program is 7 MB, it needs 0.5 sec to be read, which is perfectly acceptable), and you still write to the phone's internal memory.
Hi All,
Just got myself a 16GB version of one of these:
http://www.transcend-uk.com/Products/ModDetail.asp?ModNo=195&SpNo=1&LangNo=0
to replace the stock 8GB Class 2 card that came with the phone. Unpackaged carefully to avoid dribbling on it
Have run benchmarks using both SKTools and Pocket Mechanic and ..... approx 5% SLOWER than standard card!! Have got SDTuneUp loaded, am I missing something glaringly obvious here???
SKTools summary results:
8GB Class 2 Sandisk (supplied with phone):
Buffered Write speed 910 KB/s
Read speed 7119 KB/s
16GB Class 6 Transcend:
Write speed 859 KB/s
Read speed 7021 KB/s
Could the glaringly obvious thing be *don't buy Transcend cards* ??!!! Am I benchmarking with the wrong software (figures vary greatly between the 2 apps but summary is the same - this card is slower)
Any tweaks I'm missing?
Cheers.
Bones.
Is this with the card in the phone or in a card reader?
Most likely it's the limitation of the phone. Try some desktop benchmarks with a good card reader.
You won't gain much speed from higher speeds cards on a phone.
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Most likely it's the limitation of the phone. Try some desktop benchmarks with a good card reader.
You won't gain much speed from higher speeds cards on a phone.
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hmm so whats the point of buying a higher class SD card?
Benchmarked in phone. I'll try in my card reader tomorrow. Got to say I'd be very disappointed if it's a hardware limit in the phone, class 2 cards are much cheaper than class 6 and HTC should have made this apparent if this is the case...
Will update when re-benchmarked, anyone got an comparison stats?
one comparison Class 6 to Class 4
At hand a Transcend 16gb Class 6 and Toshiba 2gb Class 4 SD cards measured in Thinkpad card reader:
Crystal Disk Mark mb/s
Transcend/Toshiba
Seq: 14.78/12.11 read 8.755/5.315 write
512K: 14.76/12.09 read 1.982/2.010 write
4k: 3.114/3.216 read 0.025/0.025 write
Not much there to recommend Class 6
Are you sure you have 8GB class 2 sandisk card? I got class 6 with the ppc.
My results in SKTools:
write: 642 KB/sec
read: 2963 KB/sec
That's 16GB class 2 sandisk card formatted with 32KB clusters. So i think your card is ok
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Class6 does not mean that its faster its just "assure" you it can transfer up to 6mb/s. Thats prolly a device limit and not the card you should try it on a notebook or card reader outside phone. I thought the same when i bought a 16gb sdhc class6 SD for my axim - had no changes in speed at all =\
I am considering to buy a 16gb class 6 microSDHC card, would that be an overkill? (not the size of course, Im going to put a lot music etc, but would class 2 or 4 speed be enough for it?
Thanks in advance,
zazafci
I'm looking to buy a new MicroSD and wondering if getting a class 10 over a class 6 would make a significant difference to the phone (if im using data2sd and or apps2sd)
Thank you!
I think the difference between class 6 and 10 would feel minor, where-as the difference between the class 2 and class 6 feels huge.
And since this is the Vibrant forums, I should mention that the internal memory in the phone is very fast. I tested it at over 10MB/s write on my first phone. My second phone its closer to 6 MB/s write. So you apps and stuff should run perfectly fine from the internal app storage.
I should also mention that I purchased the new kingston micro sd thats rated class 4 but claims speeds upto class 10. Upon testing that I got 9 MB/s write. ($28 after $10 reward from buy.com). My previous class 2 16GB card tested it 2.6 MB/s write for comparison.
Shane_pcs said:
I think the difference between class 6 and 10 would feel minor, where-as the difference between the class 2 and class 6 feels huge.
And since this is the Vibrant forums, I should mention that the internal memory in the phone is very fast. I tested it at over 10MB/s write on my first phone. My second phone its closer to 6 MB/s write. So you apps and stuff should run perfectly fine from the internal app storage.
I should also mention that I purchased the new kingston micro sd thats rated class 4 but claims speeds upto class 10. Upon testing that I got 9 MB/s write. ($28 after $10 reward from buy.com). My previous class 2 16GB card tested it 2.6 MB/s write for comparison.
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Just to help out here...
the difference between class 2 and class 6 is the exact same as class 6 and class 10. Remember the cd-rom speeds (52x, etc)? That's how the speed is calculated for a SDHC card. So a class 2 = 2x cdrom, class 6 = 6x, class 10 = 10x.
whether our hardware has capability to handle what a class 10 can do, that I don't know. I'd definitely advise to get something with more space than a 2GB card though - I'm not sure everyone needs a 32 (personal opinion/long discussion), but I absolutely agree it should be improved upon.
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Just to help out here...
the difference between class 2 and class 6 is the exact same as class 6 and class 10. Remember the cd-rom speeds (52x, etc)? That's how the speed is calculated for a SDHC card. So a class 2 = 2x cdrom, class 6 = 6x, class 10 = 10x.
whether our hardware has capability to handle what a class 10 can do, that I don't know. I'd definitely advise to get something with more space than a 2GB card though - I'm not sure everyone needs a 32 (personal opinion/long discussion), but I absolutely agree it should be improved upon.
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I understand that, thats why i picked those classes. But my point is that a class 6 card is 3x the speed of a class2 where class 10 isnt even twice as fast as the class 6. So the perceived difference is smaller, even though the technical difference is the same.
I'm still running a class 2 and I've been wondering if this is holding me back on this phone (card was previously in my G1).
Will the lower classes function the same (creating ext2 etc...) it's just a matter of speed? Just wondering if there's anything that simply can't be done with a class2 or even 6 that could be done with a 10.
CapitalM3 said:
I'm still running a class 2 and I've been wondering if this is holding me back on this phone (card was previously in my G1).
Will the lower classes function the same (creating ext2 etc...) it's just a matter of speed? Just wondering if there's anything that simply can't be done with a class2 or even 6 that could be done with a 10.
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Just cost you more. Do you really need a class 10 for this phone? Avatar is on a card that isnt even a class 2.
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Just cost you more. Do you really need a class 10 for this phone? Avatar is on a card that isnt even a class 2.
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xD What class was the stock sd card?
I only ever see class 6+ cards being used in higher end compact cameras and SLRs.
Putting anything higher than class 6 in a phone your using for apps/music/movies isn't needed and just a waste of money.
I've also seen a lot of people saying the memory card speeds with the galaxy s are bottlenecked right now, so your not even going to get top speeds with a class 6.
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Just cost you more. Do you really need a class 10 for this phone? Avatar is on a card that isnt even a class 2.
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While the card isn't marked, it tests out at just over 4MB/s which would put it in a class 4.
And we should be clear that the class refers to the write speed. A class 2 will read at 10 MB/s just like the other classes. Where you run into issues with class 2 cards is when you start modding or running programs from the sd card. If you use the card for a swap partition or something the write speed now plays a major factor in the usefulness.
If all you want it for is to place your music files on there and listen to them, then a class 2 will be plenty. That was my initial thought when I bought my 1st 16 GB card for my mytouch3g. Then I got into custom roms and found myself limited.
How do you test the speed of the SD card?
What size microsd card are you looking for? If its a 32GB, I have only seen a Sandisk microsd in Class 2. As far as I know there are no higher classes at this time. Hopefully that will change soon. I would like to get all of my music onto one 32gb card.
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Just to help out here...
the difference between class 2 and class 6 is the exact same as class 6 and class 10. Remember the cd-rom speeds (52x, etc)? That's how the speed is calculated for a SDHC card. So a class 2 = 2x cdrom, class 6 = 6x, class 10 = 10x.
whether our hardware has capability to handle what a class 10 can do, that I don't know. I'd definitely advise to get something with more space than a 2GB card though - I'm not sure everyone needs a 32 (personal opinion/long discussion), but I absolutely agree it should be improved upon.
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This isnt exactly true. with cdroms the X stands for how much faster it would spin in relation to a audio cd. So 1x ment it spun at the same speed as a audio cd. 2x was twice, ext ext. And this was a max speed.
Classes for SDCard stands for the minimum transfer speed. class two is at least 2mbps, class 6 is 6mbps, and so on.
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How do you test the speed of the SD card?
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google FDbench
it will test the read and write speed as well as operations per second.
I still can't find a 32gb microsd class 10, anyone find one for sale?
Class 10
Class 10 limitation presently is 8 gig for all brands except the Kingston and soon to be released Silicon Power. The Kingston brand never benches as advertised, so they are not reliable from my point of view. Silicon power has been pretty solid on their claims from my testing versus their claims, but I have not yet got my hands on the latest class 10 16 gig, I have been trying to buy for the since 10-1-2010 but not out in USA yet.
Kingston (in my opinion) is rife with false claims and I find their products have always been sub par.
Flashing and alike works better with class 6 over class 2 & 4. So, if you really want more memory the only 32 gig class 6 I have seen advertised (amazon) are: Transcend, Centon, and Komputerbay (what a name?!) 32 gig Class 6
Other than that, we wil just have to wait until they get the algorithm figured out for a micro ad card with that much ram and that fast.
Get the app "sd card speed test" it works ok Im sure there are others as well
I imagine the only reason you would need a Class 6 card or above is if you plan to take a lot of HD video. Apart from that, even a Class 2 is fast enough to keep up with the still camera, not to mention anything that just requires reads, like music or movie playback.
As for running apps off an external SD card, why would you ever want to do that? You can load close to 2GB on the internal app space, which is likely way faster than any mounted external SD card. I feel like an app whore and I'm not even close to using half that space. By the time apps start getting large enough that it's an issue, we'll be on the Vibrant 2 or beyond.
glad that you asked
merrifield69 said:
I'm looking to buy a new MicroSD and wondering if getting a class 10 over a class 6 would make a significant difference to the phone (if im using data2sd and or apps2sd)
Thank you!
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because I just picked up a 16G class 10 by WinTec last week and it is VERY fast from boot up with 9G occupied from 15G available (wondered 1G gone to? and that is a lot of gone G lol). It was $42 wo tax expensive but so far the fastest.
Whoohoo
mine 16G class 10 tested 2x >8M and 1x >9M write, 3x > 18M read and it was probably so fast that the result said "unknown class" lol. x means 1 run with 2MB buffer setting. Downloaded app call SD card speed tester.
There are now some 32GB class 6 SDCARDS on the markey, and with 2.2 and installing apps to SD that might matter. It might also matter if you have a TON of music and images, as "Scanning SD for Media" would be faster.
You will pay money for the time savings though.
hello
first thx to all dev's for developping some tweaks hacks roms for this androphone for the masses
so i' m planning buying a new sdcard ( mine sdhc is ko)
is it possible to know wich are the limitations ( data transfert) of the phone ( chipset) and wich class of sd should i buy : class 6 or maybe a good class10
is there any hardware bottleneck in what concern data rate transfert
thx
have fun
greets from Belgium
I would also like to know the same.
I am thinking about buying a class 10 card, since the one I am using currently only has class 4. When I am using app2sd+ currently, apps are started much slower then from internal memory (especially big ones like google maps).
Would a class 10 card even make a difference? Especially with app2sd+? Or is the phones hardware limited somewhere?
I would also like to know, would class 6 be enough or should i aim for class 10 ? I mean class 10 is also much more expensive.
I have a class 6 SD card and its great for me but this phone wont use it like others. I speedtested it on my phone with sd speedfix applied and it was three times slower than on SE X10 without sd speedfix.
Hi,
I use the cheapest class 10 card with 16 GB I found. Unfortunately it is not very quick in my galaxy 3. With SD tools I get a read speed of 4,6 MB/s and a write speed of 5,3 MB/s. So may be I was betrayed from seller.
I tried to increase speed by setting the read_ahead_KB with SD speed increase. I noticed that increasing the buffer did not enhance speed. But when I set buffer to 0 suddenly read speed increases to about 40 MB/s.
I set SD speed increase to change the value to zero at every startup and now I do not have any more problems with lagging with videos. So it seems not just to be an effect in the app SD tools.
CU
donny
Is somebody trying MICRO SD SDHC 4GB 4 GB SAMSUNG "PLUS" CLASS 6?