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Hello guys, im new to the forum and this type of phone so pardon me if i come across ignorant i can assure you this is not through arrogance, i have searched the website for 2days and could not find any advice on this matter and get this message 99% of the time! "Connection error while attempting to download weather data, retry?" (keeps happening no matter how many times i retry)
I have tried hard reset, soft reset even changed my network thinking the data reception was bad but this still seems to be the case where ever i am positioned with my phone.
This is an awesome phone, but an incredibly consuming one that can be frustrating at times! without the guys on this forum I dont think I would have lasted one day!
Any help would be much appreciated!
Make sure your 3G settings do not include "this network connects through a proxy".
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Make sure your 3G settings do not include "this network connects through a proxy".
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i have the same problem and already do that but nothing, always the connection error too!
just a question, you have problem with the connection only when you are trying to download weather update?
Hi,
I get this issue depending on my location. At my home I will get this message, but when I am at my office in Birmingham, it would update the my location weather no problems.
I think that if the place you are trying to get weather data for, is not on the database, then it will give an error. Because the software is not intelligent enough to find the 'nearest' place to your location.
The other problem can be caused by your telecoms, and how your 3g data is routed. As other have mentioned, this might be fixed with the proxy setting.
Oh, and I think you need to be receiving a 3g signal for this to work, I've never seen it work over GPRS...
To be honest, I've disabled the auto updating feature of this now. Because if I really needed to know about the weather of 'my location', I can always take a peek outside!
Sorry that you can't find any information on this. I'm surprised as I think it could possibly be the 2nd most asked question on here behind the old issues with slow SMS delivery. Here a summary of my understanding.
A local Cell tower is used to provide My Location data. Not all locations can be automatically updated Using My Location but most (can be automatically updated by adding the location to a list. A data connection is required and you need to enable Google location services.
It is known behavour for the My Location to all of a sudden start working when you are out and about as your phone connects to a different cell tower in a different location. I for one cannot get My Location dataq in Cheltenham but when I go to Gloucester I can get around 4 different "locations" on my way to work.
There was talk that part of this might be related to multiple locations having the same name and this causing problems with My Location selecting the correct data from the Accuweather database.
Hope this helps a bit althoughn I doubt we will get a fix.
I cannot currently remember if people with different service providers have different behavours with this service.
I got the same problem after using the Sim Contacts Fix... Found out that the stupid update changed the connection and told it to use a proxy server! Check if ur phone did the same thing as mine!
I can get my updates no probs without 3g, have no 3g coverage at the house at all, but what I have found is that when the weather would not work properly, and was giving the wrong location, I logged onto google maps, got a gps fix, and now the weather gives a spot on location, a very small village, that i would doubt being in any database.
I reckon weather pulls the location from the gps fix in googlemaps...
Just a thought.........
kjettern said:
I got the same problem after using the Sim Contacts Fix... Found out that the stupid update changed the connection and told it to use a proxy server! Check if ur phone did the same thing as mine!
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I think that is a slightly differemt issue caussing a similar effect. This issue has been around since the firat HD2 was released and mostly related to MyLocation successfully updating when in one area and not in another, with the same connectivity settings.
Regards.
to OP...
I too have failed to find a proper resolution to the "connection error...".
I know it can work on my phone, as I've seen it work perfectly around Devon & Bournemouth, both indoors and outdoors.
IMHO, it's definately a problem with Accuweather's database, regardless of connection type.
I used Duttys Disable Current Location cab to switch the pointless thing off.
Maybe one day someone will find a way to make it work for everywhere.
pastypacker said:
I can get my updates no probs without 3g, have no 3g coverage at the house at all, but what I have found is that when the weather would not work properly, and was giving the wrong location, I logged onto google maps, got a gps fix, and now the weather gives a spot on location, a very small village, that i would doubt being in any database.
I reckon weather pulls the location from the gps fix in googlemaps...
Just a thought.........
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Hi,
Im interested. How do you get your weather updates? Are you using Wifi or do you believe that it is all done via GPS? Now a silly question, sorry. Do you now have your village as a defined location or is it only "My Location" that is automatically updating?
Regards.
cMMY69 said:
Hi,
Im interested. How do you get your weather updates? Are you using Wifi or do you believe that it is all done via GPS? Now a silly question, sorry. Do you now have your village as a defined location or is it only "My Location" that is automatically updating?
Regards.
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At home, im using wifi, thelocation im referring to is the one that shows on the home screen after update, the nearest defined location that can be searched for is over 60 miles away in Plymouth.
I will try a non wifi update when i walk the dog again later, and see what that brings.....
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just a question, you have problem with the connection only when you are trying to download weather update?
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Yes all other apps and data features work like a dream, including google maps,
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Yes all other apps and data features work like a dream, including google maps,
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well i have the same thing here...happens to me as well, i was thinking may be it is acuweather and our current location. Having said that i have not changed any thing in my 3 g connections. 50% of the tome works. so i am not really fussed about it
To the OP (and anyone), please also report this issue to HTC self via their website. If they know about this issue, maybe they can make a fix for it .
I had same problem and tried these:
Switched to airplane mode and wifi on. Tried update and successfully updated.
Switched to phone on wifi off. Tried update and not updated.
Removed all cities. Tried update for my location and successfully updated.
Added some cities. Tried update and not updated.
Weird
For me the weather location is working generally fine, even if often it doesn't recognize a town (smaller ones) and instead shows "My Location" instead of a name. The update is only working when I have EDGE or 3G coverage (or WiFi), not when only GPRS.
What is very strange for me is, that when not on WiFi (then all works fine), i.e. when on the phone network, it updates well some cities, and some won't (the ones which won't are two of the cities I added in the beginning to the list, i.e. Geneva and Nuremberg). All other cities I added work well for the updated. I wonder if it has something to do with the fact that I added them at a specific moment. When I deleted these cities and put them back in the list it won't help. I wonder if you can reset the weather program without making a hard reset, in order to see if it would help.
Fixed
Settings>connections>connections>advanced>select networks>edit (your gsm operator gprs/3g settings)>edit>next>next>advanced>servers
Select use specific server address and enter a dns . I'm using google dns 8.8.8.8.
Click OK>finish and yes to do you want to save changes. Click OK until connections window. Soft reset and try to update weather.
This happened to me when I removed JVH3 Weather City Editor.
once I reinstalled it, my error has gone away.
Ron
Have had the HD2 for a few weeks now, with no problems with weather. Went on holiday, came back, and getting the error as per this thread. Strangely it seemed like I was getting the update, then getting the error afterwards.
Spoke to my provider (T-mobile) who were next to useless (well that's unfair, I guess they suggested a lot of things but none worked).
Took out all cities from the application and updated - worked fine (and this was over GPRS as one of things T-mobile had me do was switch Band under phone settings (All Settings/Personal/Phone/GSM/UTMS Services/Band/Get Settings)).
Could it be as simple as an error in the weather data for ANY city causing the problem - not just your location? My location at home always seems to be detected fine...
I've been looking through google to find posts related to the google location service, but can't really find an exact match to my problem. All the N1 users post complain that the GPS is not working fine, which is not at all my issue.
About a week ago my location service using cell tower info stopped working. I used the Desire r21 rom and switched back to Kang-o-rama 0.6 and it stopped working around the same timeframe, however I don't think it is at all related to the rom switch.
I tried wipping all the data again, in hopes it was just a messed up setting with no avail. Also turned off the cell phone radio and back on (airplane mode). Tried to switch from 3G to 2G and back.
Anyone have an idea what could be wrong. Also, I read that google's service sometimes goes down and that could be a cause, however I would have imagined that some else would have complained by now.
Thanks guys!!
There are a whole bunch of reasons this could happen, in my experience, they're usually network related. New towers, repairing towers, etc..
My "My location" service went down for approximately 3 weeks recently. Wouldn't work on any of my phones, Android or WinMo. One day it just started working again.
Currently, when I am at the office, "my location" thinks I'm somewhere hundreds of miles from where I am. I suspect someone at AT&T entered the Lat/Lon of the main tower I'm on incorrectly. When I'm elsewhere in my city (closer to another tower) "my location" places me correctly.
Edit: That reminds me.. when I'm at the office and the phone is on WiFi "my location" knows where I am and it has very good accuracy (like within a block).. I always wondered if that was a result of Google Maps mapping Mac addresses, or if they can do that with IP..
So sure enough, I checked it out in San Jose, CA today at work and it found my location within a quarter of a mile. When I got home (Hollister), the google map ticker still shows me in San Jose and when I click on "My Location" in the menu it just stays in SJ.
But here is the even odder thing. My finance has an iphone and her location service is spot on in Hollister without the GPS.
I have seen posts saying it may be an old sim card, but this one just got replaced when I upgraded to the TILT 2 a few months ago.
I guess we will just have to keep waiting until the service comes back for us.
My N1 has been doing the same thing lately. I will leave work and about 1/2 hour later when I look at Google maps, the locator service still shows me at work. I wonder if the location service has a certain polling interval.
Hi guys,
I don't know how many of you are living in UK or if you experience this in other parts of the world. Basically there's one thing that really annoys me and I can't figure out WHAT'S causing it!
I am well satisfied with my Leo but as to web services I am not so enthusiastic. Firstly I've given up on "My location & weather" services exactly the same way as I did on Blackstone. I just don't bother setting them up after ROM update, so they don't show up on the homescreen and I turn the weather tab off instantly after flash. Reason being: THEY ONLY UPDATE IN CERTAIN LOCATIONS EVEN THOUGH I'VE GOT FULL HSDPA OR 3G SIGNAL COVERAGE ALMOST EVERYWHERE I GO!!!
No idea why this is happening. At home where I've got full 3G and GPRS signal coverage, it updates quickly and nicely. But when I go to work where there's full HSDPA, 3G and also GPRS it will not update whatever trick I try!!! It just pops out a message about not being able to connect... Same thing in town centre and other locations. It seems totally random to me where it works and where it doesn't. And folks: I just hate having 12 hours old location and weather report on my screeen before coming back home or wherever it decides to work!
Now secondly, similar thing happens with web browsers. Because of unsupported flash in Opera I have started using Skyfire in larger scale and recently also the uZARD, if anyone came across to that. They are both good browsers (in my opinion the uZard is nearing perfection!) but strangely a similar issue to the one above comes with them. Again they only seem to work in certain places and again there is quite a decent data coverage almost everywhere in my area.
So the question is: does it have something to do with data services of my network (UK Orange) or is it something radio related maybe? I have tried 2.06, 2.08 and 2.10 radios and there wasn't any significant difference.
Does it ring a bell? Did anyone experience this?
morningstar.fallen said:
Hi guys,
I don't know how many of you are living in UK or if you experience this in other parts of the world. Basically there's one thing that really annoys me and I can't figure out WHAT'S causing it!
I am well satisfied with my Leo but as to web services I am not so enthusiastic. Firstly I've given up on "My location & weather" services exactly the same way as I did on Blackstone. I just don't bother setting them up after ROM update, so they don't show up on the homescreen and I turn the weather tab off instantly after flash. Reason being: THEY ONLY UPDATE IN CERTAIN LOCATIONS EVEN THOUGH I'VE GOT FULL HSDPA OR 3G SIGNAL COVERAGE ALMOST EVERYWHERE I GO!!!
No idea why this is happening. At home where I've got full 3G and GPRS signal coverage, it updates quickly and nicely. But when I go to work where there's full HSDPA, 3G and also GPRS it will not update whatever trick I try!!! It just pops out a message about not being able to connect... Same thing in town centre and other locations. It seems totally random to me where it works and where it doesn't. And folks: I just hate having 12 hours old location and weather report on my screeen before coming back home or wherever it decides to work!
Now secondly, similar thing happens with web browsers. Because of unsupported flash in Opera I have started using Skyfire in larger scale and recently also the uZARD, if anyone came across to that. They are both good browsers (in my opinion the uZard is nearing perfection!) but strangely a similar issue to the one above comes with them. Again they only seem to work in certain places and again there is quite a decent data coverage almost everywhere in my area.
So the question is: does it have something to do with data services of my network (UK Orange) or is it something radio related maybe? I have tried 2.06, 2.08 and 2.10 radios and there wasn't any significant difference.
Does it ring a bell? Did anyone experience this?
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I'm on o2 I'm and have found the new 2.10th radios to give an extra bar and speed improvements network wise. the latest is awesome but consumes more battery life for me so i went back to 2.10.50.08.2
hope this helps
Im on Virgin in the UK, where i live i have full signal where ever i i am in my town, my location doesn't work simple, i added my own city, my internet works fine, now i have been house sitting for my dad for 2 weeks in a little village, 2 weeks only just had 1 bar of signal and my location worked now wtf is that all about lol, oh my radio in my sig
Im on tmobile uk and when I'm at home I'm lucky if I get 1 bar of 3g coverage, if I dont I'll only get 2 bars of gprs, then again we are behind a ruddy great hill, most other urban areas give good 3g, however like the OP says sometimes theres an issue with speed and location not updating (or updating to the wrong location) despite full coverage
My gf is on vodafone and at home shes lucky if she gets one bar of gprs
But then thats what she deserves for having a iphone!
I've never tried another radio but I'm considering it
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Just to let you guys know, UK Orange was going through some major technical difficulties with their 3G network lately. So that has been the cause for trouble with browsers.
But the first problem I've mentioned is a fact that MY LOCATION and WEATHER still only updates on certain (random) places, regardless the signal coverage or radio version!!!
Works fine for me wherever I go on O2 as long as I have somes signal, just takes longer on GPRS.
In my experience of friends on Orange, they've never been good.
Try SPB weather and see if that works.
Alternatively, try updating in an Orange shop, if it fails, ask if you can use one of their handsets to try, and if that works, you'll know it's a problem with your phone so time to get it replaced, if it doesn't work, you'll know Orange are just poo.
Weather Locations has never worked for me. Just look for the cab named something like Dutty's disable current location and it will remove that my location entry in the weather so it will never bother you. Then just manually add your city and job done!
As for the web browsers not working, i had intermittent drops (its ok now tho). but what i did before, was disable HDSPA. the phone kept switching betweeen 3g and hdspa and cudnt make its mind up, and so it wouldnt connect to the net. But as you said Orange have been messing up so it should work soon.
morningstar.fallen said:
Just to let you guys know, UK Orange was going through some major technical difficulties with their 3G network lately. So that has been the cause for trouble with browsers.
But the first problem I've mentioned is a fact that MY LOCATION and WEATHER still only updates on certain (random) places, regardless the signal coverage or radio version!!!
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I have to ask how often is it set to update? i have mine set to update every 3 hours and it does. The location accuracy can be a little off at times but i don't really rely on it and if i do notice i'll do a manual update which works first time 99% of the time.
Poor 3G/HSDPA signal (2 bars or less) will cause some crazy packet loss and will cause problems with internet connectivity in general. Most often the phone will fall back to EDGE and then GPRS in order to correct this (but for saking the speed). If the signal is still crap then there is no hope. I'm on O2 and my radio version is in my signature. I was using 2.07 (stock) and that wasn't brilliant and i have heard that the newer radios suck the battery and the wifi isn't so great.
If your signal is pants even with the new radio i would advise you lay your hands on an extended battery and leave the wifi chip turned on. Then if you configure to connect any unsecure networks first as soon as it finds one you'll have net access.
M3PH said:
I have to ask how often is it set to update? i have mine set to update every 3 hours and it does. The location accuracy can be a little off at times but i don't really rely on it and if i do notice i'll do a manual update which works first time 99% of the time.
Poor 3G/HSDPA signal (2 bars or less) will cause some crazy packet loss and will cause problems with internet connectivity in general. Most often the phone will fall back to EDGE and then GPRS in order to correct this (but for saking the speed). If the signal is still crap then there is no hope. I'm on O2 and my radio version is in my signature. I was using 2.07 (stock) and that wasn't brilliant and i have heard that the newer radios suck the battery and the wifi isn't so great.
If your signal is pants even with the new radio i would advise you lay your hands on an extended battery and leave the wifi chip turned on. Then if you configure to connect any unsecure networks first as soon as it finds one you'll have net access.
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Hi,
It was set to update every 1 hour and as I said before, there's quite decent signal coverage in my area. I usually have full HSDPA and 3G signal at work and about half of 3G and full GPRS at home. The only time I can think of when I have poor or no connection is on the train (when passing through places with funny welsh names like Llanharran or Pontyclun... ). Still MY LOCATION won't update at work, or central train station or city centre. As a paradox, it updates nicely at home...
Anyway, for sake of having the weather animation on and updating, I have used Dutty's "Disable current location" cab mentioned above. Now the weather service updates fine on manually chosen locations. So bye bye MY LOCATION...
I'm on O2 (UK) and have noticed that all but my local transmitter actually allows weather/location updates.
I did a pretty big test - I drove from the south coast to Edinburgh the other week, and had it updating every 15 mins.
It updated every step of the way.
I'm sitting at home, and it doesn't update.
I've already got hold of my local O2 engineer and he is looking into it as he thinks he knows what the problem is.
The Problem is Orange.....
morningstar.fallen said:
Hi guys,
I don't know how many of you are living in UK or if you experience this in other parts of the world. Basically there's one thing that really annoys me and I can't figure out WHAT'S causing it!
I am well satisfied with my Leo but as to web services I am not so enthusiastic. Firstly I've given up on "My location & weather" services exactly the same way as I did on Blackstone. I just don't bother setting them up after ROM update, so they don't show up on the homescreen and I turn the weather tab off instantly after flash. Reason being: THEY ONLY UPDATE IN CERTAIN LOCATIONS EVEN THOUGH I'VE GOT FULL HSDPA OR 3G SIGNAL COVERAGE ALMOST EVERYWHERE I GO!!!
No idea why this is happening. At home where I've got full 3G and GPRS signal coverage, it updates quickly and nicely. But when I go to work where there's full HSDPA, 3G and also GPRS it will not update whatever trick I try!!! It just pops out a message about not being able to connect... Same thing in town centre and other locations. It seems totally random to me where it works and where it doesn't. And folks: I just hate having 12 hours old location and weather report on my screeen before coming back home or wherever it decides to work!
Now secondly, similar thing happens with web browsers. Because of unsupported flash in Opera I have started using Skyfire in larger scale and recently also the uZARD, if anyone came across to that. They are both good browsers (in my opinion the uZard is nearing perfection!) but strangely a similar issue to the one above comes with them. Again they only seem to work in certain places and again there is quite a decent data coverage almost everywhere in my area.
So the question is: does it have something to do with data services of my network (UK Orange) or is it something radio related maybe? I have tried 2.06, 2.08 and 2.10 radios and there wasn't any significant difference.
Does it ring a bell? Did anyone experience this?
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I had the same problem in East Anglia with Orange
Switch of 3g and the weather will update
GPRS data works fine, but 3g/hsdpa data was not working i complained to orange and looked on the net loads of other people in this area were having the same trouble....(voice was fine though)
About 2 weeks ago it started working fine except when im surfing i get 'orange safeguard' blocking sites ...it even blocks this site!
its not because ive got safeguard enabled. it's because orange cant establish my identity!
I bet if streamed loads of TV they would identify me for sure...
on orange in cardiff aswel, i find that even though i have a strong 3g signal some times the internet just doesn't work,which gets really annoying, as normally have to terminate the 3g connection then restart it to work.
been reading this thread if any intrest
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=614119&page=45
it says about people using the chucky tabtastic ROM, and the problem is gone. but I'm happy with the ROM I'm using, so really wish i knew a fix for this!
On O2 in Nottingham and just recently it's been awful.
I've gone through a multitude of radios and none work with data properly. Weather services always show "My Location" or cannot update. Google maps takes about 10mins to load one square of the map (so GPS navigation is out of the question as the marker moves to a region of the map that isn't updated and takes forever to load).
Opera can now take anywhere between 15 seconds and 5 minutes just to load the Google homepage.
Thing is, about 2 months ago it was perfect, speedy as anything, running fine. Like I said i've gone through various radio roms and have settled on 2.10.50.08_2 at the mo as it gives the best battery life for me, but even with full 3g/hsdpa signals i get rubbish data performance.
I know that stopping and starting the data connection sometimes fixes it, but I'm not prepared to continually stop and start connections just to be able to browse the web.
I've tried switching from 3G to 2G mode at work so the device started using GPRS signal instead of HSDPA but there was no joy either. Initially I would incline to idea that this would be a problem of Orange UK only but it seems now that people using other networks are experiencing the same. I wish I could only guess how much of this is caused by the technical breakdown Orange UK (and maybe other networks?) were recently going through. I think the actual efficiency of MY LOCATION service in UK was never great...
I'm on Vodafone, Kingston upon Thames,
Radio: 2.10.50.26 (Leon Rom)
Had the same problems ( almost all stated in here ) with the new radio i have full bars 70% of the time on almost all connections at home, and before, i used to have 1 max 2 (the house is in a "bad"/"blind" vodafone coverage area), so this radio seems to work for me.
Still:
the weather i won't mention that it never worked regardless of signal or not, regardless of the connection or radio... then i found something into the menu under the GPS folder... called Quick GPS . I realized that is not a data download problem (as any manually set out location works), it was just a simple "i will tell you the local weather info as soon as i bloody find out where the heck we are" phone problem.
Well all you have to do, is set up the satellites to download automatically and/or update manually when you travel extreme distances... it will definitely improve location tracking as it sets the "default" satellites settings in your area, and to be honest with you, since i set that up, i NEVER had weather/location problems at home or anywhere else. Is just a small tweak witch you won't realize is linked directly to the location service until you open the Quick GPS thing.
For the radio, at least for vodafone users, i recommend the above one. just give it a try as it has decent battery life and a better connection, also everywhere i go i seem to have a working stable connection for data (at least for me it worked, and i do travel alot, needles to say that my laptop gets it's internet from my phone during travels, so bye bye dongle ).
Give it a try, it may really work out.
Initially I would incline to idea that this would be a problem of Orange UK only but it seems now that people using other networks are experiencing the same.
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hmm... i think is not related to networks more than it needs the network connection to download data (especially that you said the connections are working fine most of the times), location is definitely related to the GPS receiver and the GPS settings (Global Positioning System remember? witch in my book is Location ...), witch apparently on the Leos around UK are not set properly by default.
This is probably why mine works flawlessly. I set WM to use the inbuilt GPS all the time so i don't have to mess about with turning it on in google maps. I don't use QuickGPS because that is about as accurate as as dropping a brick out of a plane at 35,000ft with your eyes closed. Atleast with proper GPS it's accurate to within 20 metres.
when i had the tmobile g1, weather plugin worked almost flawlessly with only odd times it didnt update correctly. but with the hd2 ive been having the same problem recently on tmobile (was on tmobile wiwith the g1 aswell).
Im using the eu rom that allows 576mb ram .
Ive just flashed a new rom and it seems to have detected my location just fine at home. I will know tomorrow when i go to work if it upodates correctly.
DikoMike said:
I'm on Vodafone, Kingston upon Thames,
Radio: 2.10.50.26 (Leon Rom)
Had the same problems ( almost all stated in here ) with the new radio i have full bars 70% of the time on almost all connections at home, and before, i used to have 1 max 2 (the house is in a "bad"/"blind" vodafone coverage area), so this radio seems to work for me.
Still:
the weather i won't mention that it never worked regardless of signal or not, regardless of the connection or radio... then i found something into the menu under the GPS folder... called Quick GPS . I realized that is not a data download problem (as any manually set out location works), it was just a simple "i will tell you the local weather info as soon as i bloody find out where the heck we are" phone problem.
Well all you have to do, is set up the satellites to download automatically and/or update manually when you travel extreme distances... it will definitely improve location tracking as it sets the "default" satellites settings in your area, and to be honest with you, since i set that up, i NEVER had weather/location problems at home or anywhere else. Is just a small tweak witch you won't realize is linked directly to the location service until you open the Quick GPS thing.
For the radio, at least for vodafone users, i recommend the above one. just give it a try as it has decent battery life and a better connection, also everywhere i go i seem to have a working stable connection for data (at least for me it worked, and i do travel alot, needles to say that my laptop gets it's internet from my phone during travels, so bye bye dongle ).
Give it a try, it may really work out.
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Thanks for the post man Ive been trying many different Radios to get a stable connection with VF I also live in an iffy area so i'll give this one a try and see if it works for me!
I'm also now using a 2.13 rom so it seems that the radio will match
M3PH said:
This is probably why mine works flawlessly. I set WM to use the inbuilt GPS all the time so i don't have to mess about with turning it on in google maps. I don't use QuickGPS because that is about as accurate as as dropping a brick out of a plane at 35,000ft with your eyes closed. Atleast with proper GPS it's accurate to within 20 metres.
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So how exactly did you set your GPS to work all the time?
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So how exactly did you set your GPS to work all the time?
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easy! go into settings in sense, hit menu, all settings. Then go to the system folder and external GPS and set a com port (mine is set to com4)
Job done. Sense will pick it up automatically and then all you need to do is tell google maps it's configued by windows.
Finally disable quickgps by hitting start, tools quickgps and then menu options and uncheck "download quickgps automatically" and "download quickgps when roaming" this will stop it updating when not connected to the pc and save on your data plan if it's limited but allows for a backup to the true gps if for some reason all the satellites get taken out.
**edit** i picked up this tip from a collegue that had a touch pro (well we all did but i left before they got the n900 upgrades) and a tomtom external bluetooth receiver and it appears to work with the internal reveiver on newer devices
So this past week I was having tons of issues with the cell-tower triangulation on my Nexus One. I've tried multiple things such as restarting, toggling the "Use Network Location" and mostly everything short of resetting the phone to factory default.
So I was playing around in the Applications menu and decided to just mess around with all the items there. Then, after clearing the cache on the "Google Framework" option, force closing, then restarting my phone, I was finally able to get cell phone triangulation working again!
The problem continues though, because after said procedure I was unable to access the market, or the downloaded section of the store only had 2 items listed. So I did another restart, the market works, but the cellphone triangulation breaks again.
Does anyone have a solution?
well sounds like somethings haywire on the software side of things, i'd try a factory reset/reflashing your current rom etc. or you could just use GPS i suppose
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The problem continues though, because after said procedure I was unable to access the market, or the downloaded section of the store only had 2 items listed. So I did another restart, the market works, but the cellphone triangulation breaks again.
Does anyone have a solution?
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Market problems are generally due to the ROM you're using, although most cooks have that sorted immediately. What ROM are you using?
And I've never heard of anyone anything on the Framework, maybe that in itself was kind of dumb? Have you rebooted or such to see if it clears up?
So what is the issue anyway? Where are you observing that cell tower info isn't working? And you've double checked, and maybe toggled off/on the setting for this?
OP, does triangulation work for you on EDGE?
I've been in this state (2G triangulation works but 3G does not) for about two weeks now.
Most probably a T-Mobile or Google data base issue...
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OP, does triangulation work for you on EDGE?
I've been in this state (2G triangulation works but 3G does not) for about two weeks now.
Most probably a T-Mobile or Google data base issue...
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This is true, at one point T-Mobile and 3G the lookups didn't work.. but I haven't heard this in a long time so I'd think
I really wish people would stop referring to it a "triangulation" though, it's estimation based on tower location and possibly data from Cell+Wifi+GPS data that Google has collected. There's no calculation going on.
I am glad someone brought this up. I thought it was just me.
'Estimation' works with EDGE on, but not otherwise. If EDGE is off, Google Maps takes me to the last estimated position!
I am sure something is broken in Maps.
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This is true, at one point T-Mobile and 3G the lookups didn't work.. but I haven't heard this in a long time so I'd think
I really wish people would stop referring to it a "triangulation" though, it's estimation based on tower location and possibly data from Cell+Wifi+GPS data that Google has collected. There's no calculation going on.
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OK, I believe accurate terminology would be "multilateration"
(there is an excellent Wiki article on this) which in turn is based on triangulation. The calculation is done either by the network, e.g. T-Mobile, or by Google based on the location of nearby towers...
I have the same problem as the OP. It occured since Tuesday of last week. I am also on Rogers in the Toronto and GTA region. Use wireless networks is checked under settings. The Enable location setting in the browser is also checked. However, when using 3G, location is unavailable when using the browser and it is also unavailable in the news and weather widget. RadioTime does not pick up my location either. In addition, when I travel into Toronto, the location in google maps is not updated to my new tower location. The location remains in Markham. Strange thing is that when I am on WIFI, location is available. I have tried using EDGE, same problem. I have also tried resetting to factory settings but no luck. I can confirm one of my coworkers is getting the same problem also on his N1. I don't think it is Rogers' problem since iPhone and Maemo users are having no trouble for location service on Rogers. I don't see how it is a problem on Google's servers either if location service is working for users of other OS. However, I don't know if any other Android devices on Rogers are having the same issues though. Can other Rogers users, Big 3 users, Wind/Mobilicity users confirm if their N1's are having the same issues? On a side note, my N1 is stock.
As far as the ROM/Phone. I am using the official FRG83D without any root or modifications to the firmware/bootloader.
It would not pick me up using Edge/wifi/3G and the only thing that did work was GPS. The weird thing is, it appears to be some issue with a service on the phone. The reason why I believe this is because if I went on the mobile Google, the page didn't ask me for permission to access my location.
After I cleared the cache on "Google Framework" and rebooted, everything worked fine and the browser asked me for my permission.
As madballs mentioned, it doesn't seem to be a Rogers issue as I was able to pop the sim card in my XPERIA and it was able to locate me just fine.
After going insane and going without sleep for the past 30 hours, I have linked the issue with the update to Google Goggles. Got rid of the update, location now works fine.
My N1's tower based estimation works ok on Solo (Bell's network). The estimatation is not as good as my Nokia N85 when I put the same SIM card in...
So I got into work today and same thing happened. The location services does not recognize that I am now in Toronto and not Markham. However, I tried out what the OP suggested and cleared the cache in the Google Services Framework and restarted the N1. It then recognized I am now in Toronto. This is quite strange. What does Google Services Framework do? And why would it not update when I travel into another location? It only stopped working last week. I will see if it changes back to Markham tonight when I get off work tonight. If it doesn't work, I will try deleting the Google Goggles update.
Same issues here ...
I am stock FRG83G on Rogers in southern Ontario. Been having this issue for a while but never bothered to look into it. I tried some of the tricks in this thread and here are the results:
- went to 2G - no improvement
- removed updates from Google Goggles and rebooted - no improvement
- Cleared cache and force stopped the Google Services Framework and rebooted and location is working.
I will edit this note if anything changes.
Update: Looks like clearing the framework loses your history of free downloads from the Market ... the paid items are still there.
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I am stock FRG83G on Rogers in southern Ontario. Been having this issue for a while but never bothered to look into it. I tried some of the tricks in this thread and here are the results:
- went to 2G - no improvement
- removed updates from Google Goggles and rebooted - no improvement
- Cleared cache and force stopped the Google Services Framework and rebooted and location is working.
I will edit this note if anything changes.
Update: Looks like clearing the framework loses your history of free downloads from the Market ... the paid items are still there.
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Oops.. But try this, launch AppBrain, sync, then exit Appbrain and try the market again. I noticed by accident once after restoring all apps using Titanium Backup that before I went into Appbrain the Market didn't know about my installed apps and afterwords it did.
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If you restart again, the Market will work correctly again, but the location services will break.
Same issue here on stock FRG83D since November 15.
I've tried both Rogers and Fido SIM cards. I've also done a factory reset and rolled google maps back. Nothing seems to resolve the issue so I've resorted to enabling GPS when it's available.
The same thing started happening to a friend's Acer Liquid E running 2.2 earlier this week. After clearing the maps data on their phone the positioning worked as expected once again but latitude isn't providing the correct location.
Today my N1 refused to update its position. After clearing the maps data it started to work properly.
Both phones are on Rogers and being used from Hamilton to Toronto...
Quick update. As I mentioned on post #11, I had to clear the Google Services Framework cache this morning before the N1 recognized I have left Markham and arrived in Toronto. I am in Markham now, and the N1 automatically recognized I am back in Markham now. Honestly, I have no clue what the problem is. As I stated, I have reset to factory setting a couple times the past week. I would tend to believe by reseting to factory setting is equivalent to clearing the cache. However it did not work then. So I dont know how by clearing the Google Services cache would work today. May be it is just a coincident. I will post again tomorrow when I am back in Toronto and see if the N1 recognizes the location by itself. Oh right, another thing tried was putting my friend's SIM card (he has a iPhone 3GS) into my phone, but no luck. I didn't bother giving him my SIM card to try since another poster on here said his SIM card works on his XPERIA.
beermike: Location services wasn't working for me on November 16th. Right before Eric Schmidt made his Gingerbread comment actually. I wish this hinted that Gingerbread was coming but then it's only us Rogers/Fido users having the problem.
P.S. This is probably not a Rogers issue. But I have to say, Rogers sucks. Too bad I'm on a corporate plan with them.
EDIT: I found another thread that some AT&T folks had this same issue back in May http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=679636
Restarted phone yesterday night and location services is not working today again.
I believe the correct term all of you gentlemen are looking for is "A-GPS" or "Assisted GPS".
Per the issue, are these results being achieved with the GPS hardware setting turned OFF, and the mobile network/AGPS turned ON, or are both of these settings turned on and still unable to find an accurate position?
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I believe the correct term all of you gentlemen are looking for is "A-GPS" or "Assisted GPS".
Per the issue, are these results being achieved with the GPS hardware setting turned OFF, and the mobile network/AGPS turned ON, or are both of these settings turned on and still unable to find an accurate position?
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No, it's NOT assisted GPS as that includes the GPS, yes? As mentioned, it's more of this nature: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multilateration
A-GPS is when your cellular provider offers the phone ephemeris data which reduces the amount of time the phone has to calculate the satellite positions and improves accuracy and the ability to maintain a fix because the phone already knows where the satellites are without downloading such data directly from the sats themselves. And in this case of course you're using the GPS, not an estimated location based on your nearby cell towers.
Assuming tower location is correct (and KNOWN...), if you only have one visible tower you should basically show up as being at or near that tower. If there are multiple towers, some set of parameters allows some estimation or predetermined location based on the results. I've read multiple times in the past that when the GPS is in use on a cellphone and My Location (what Google calls the cell tower location stuff of course) is in use, it will upload anonymous data to improve their database. There are multiple such databases, although most of them would only place you at the known location of the tower and not take into account multiple 'visible' towers.
Here's an OpenCellID lookup: http://www.opencellid.org/cell/get?mcc=310&mnc=410&lac=15913&cellid=50762 If you look closely, directly east, across the shopping center there and just into what looks like a bit of an industrial work area there's a square patch with a shadowy place; that's the tower it's referring to.
The GPS on my Nexus 7 is acting funky. I'm in Florida, and all of my apps are saying I'm in Vegas. Sometimes it'll show my correct location, but then it'll change back to saying I'm in Vegas. This is happening with Google maps, HD widgets, flixster, etc.. It's quite annoying. I haven't done anything to my N7 except unlock the bootloader, but it was doing it out of the box before that. What the French toast!? Anyone else having this happen? My GNex is fine with the same apps.
I tested mine to see if it would tell me where radio shack was. It worked and navigated good. It even told me the driving time to 3 of the nearest stores and traffic reports lol pretty crazy. I'd send it back for a replacement.
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I tested mine to see if it would tell me where radio shack was. It worked and navigated good. It even told me the driving time to 3 of the nearest stores and traffic reports lol pretty crazy. I'd send it back for a replacement.
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Man, I just went to Sam's Club to exchange it. Got home, set it up, and my apps (google maps, HD widgets, google now) are showing Vegas still instead of my city in Florida. Ugh!!!
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Man, I just went to Sam's Club to exchange it. Got home, set it up, and my apps (google maps, HD widgets, google now) are showing Vegas still instead of my city in Florida. Ugh!!!
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Are you sure you're not in Vegas?
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Are you sure you're not in Vegas?
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Haha. Would be nice, but I'm not Could it be WiFi related? It seems that when I turn WiFi off, I shows my correct location in Florida and not Vegas. I don't know how/why the WiFi would interfere but not it's correct.
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Haha. Would be nice, but I'm not Could it be WiFi related? It seems that when I turn WiFi off, I shows my correct location in Florida and not Vegas. I don't know how/why the WiFi would interfere but not it's correct.
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Did you check at the store or at home? Can you drive a few miles away and see if anything changes? Just a shot in a dark, but I work with address mapping online and sometimes for some reason the address for a certain location is totally wrong.
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Did you check at the store or at home? Can you drive a few miles away and see if anything changes? Just a shot in a dark, but I work with address mapping online and sometimes for some reason the address for a certain location is totally wrong.
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With my original N7 and the new one that I exchanged for, I checked at home, and I haven't tried it anywhere besides at home. If I drive somewhere, I guess I would have to find a place with Wifi. I have a GNex, and it doesn't have the issue. It always shows the correct location. Not too long ago, I disconnected from WiFi on the N7 and it shows the correct location. So I don't know if WiFi is the culprit for some bizarre reason.
Download the map of your city and take a little drive. See if your GPS acts up away from. You can make sections of a map available offline in the Google maps menu.
Does this issue happen if you turn off wifi and enable GPS? Reason I ask is I remember Google Latitude acting super strange when I was using the wifi for it to determine my location when I was at my girlfriend's house. For a while it said I was in New York City, other times it said I was within PA but I was about 30 miles away. At one point it said I was in Africa somewhere.
All of the wireless towers (3G, 4G, etc) have ID's to them, so based on the ID that gets reported to the carrier is what dictates where on the map you are. That said, wireless access points aren't typically in the database to determine your location, so it uses some other sort of wacky way to determine your location, but like I said, Google Latitude was acting up. I remember hitting "improve my location" within the app and letting it run overnight to see if it could better determine my location. Oddly, I never had a chance to see if it fixed it, because the next morning our bid was accepted on a house so we ended up worrying about packing rather than did my phone work better. I just wanted to throw the above on the table just in case... turn off wifi... try GPS... see what happens.
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Does this issue happen if you turn off wifi and enable GPS? Reason I ask is I remember Google Latitude acting super strange when I was using the wifi for it to determine my location when I was at my girlfriend's house. For a while it said I was in New York City, other times it said I was within PA but I was about 30 miles away. At one point it said I was in Africa somewhere.
All of the wireless towers (3G, 4G, etc) have ID's to them, so based on the ID that gets reported to the carrier is what dictates where on the map you are. That said, wireless access points aren't typically in the database to determine your location, so it uses some other sort of wacky way to determine your location, but like I said, Google Latitude was acting up. I remember hitting "improve my location" within the app and letting it run overnight to see if it could better determine my location. Oddly, I never had a chance to see if it fixed it, because the next morning our bid was accepted on a house so we ended up worrying about packing rather than did my phone work better. I just wanted to throw the above on the table just in case... turn off wifi... try GPS... see what happens.
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Yeah, I mentioned somewhere in the thread that if I turn off WiFi, it seems to work fine. GPS is always on with it anyway. Either way, it should be able to pinpoint me. What's the point of the N7 if you can't keep WiFi on? Having both WiFi and GPS on should be able to find my location. I haven't really seen anyone else with this issue in trying to google it. It's just weird though because my GNex works perfect at home. And I can't get the N7 tablet to get the right location? Just odd.
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I'm in Lethbridge Alberta. ( Canada) Mine works fine in location and latitude... also Google Now works (when its giving me weather changes in the morning)
However, as soon as I ask Google Search "what's the weather like today", it tells me the weather for Washington and its driving me up the wall. Anybody else in Canada having the Same issues?
I believe there is a setting somewhere that has a check box "use Wi-Fi to determine my position". You need to find it and un-check the box. I would venture a guess that your internet service provider has a hub in Vegas and your outside IP address is registered through that facility.
Edit: turn Google Location Services OFF... Settings>>Location Services
Mine is showing Vegas also, oh I am in Vegas.
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It's probably due to the MAC address of the wireless router(s) your Nexus 7 is seeing. My parents live in Oregon and my step-mom works for a company based in San Diego. They sent her a remote access point to telecommute with and while I was visiting last year my Atrix would see me as being in Oregon when I was in view of a GPS satellite but otherwise, when it could only rely on WiFi for determining my location, it would see me in San Diego due to the remote access point having been in San Diego previously. So... don't worry about it! Your router/modem/whatever or your neighbor's may have been in Vegas previously at some other person's house.
Android Location Services periodically checks on your location using GPS, Cell-ID, and Wi-Fi to locate your device. When it does this, your Android device will send back publicly broadcast Wi-Fi access points' Service set identifier (SSID) and Media Access Control (MAC) data. The Google street car does this sort of thing too; collects Wi-Fi access points' data and MAC addresses, then associates them with their GPS location data.
What this means simply is that Google knows where you are when you are connected to an SSID they have previously collected location data on. For whatever reason, Google's data regarding your SSID is that it's location is somewhere in Vegas. I imagine this to be something that would remedy itself in time, though I'm not sure what the quick fix is. Maybe if you go in and out of range of your router with GPS on, the association will reset with the new location data? Are you set up to send anonymous location data back to Google?
There's nothing wrong with your GPS though.
Thanks everyone for the feedback. These last couple replies seem logical. When I turn off Google location services, my GPS works fine. What stinks is that, Google location services is required for Google Now. Has to be something with my Wifi router.
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I'm in Lethbridge Alberta. ( Canada) Mine works fine in location and latitude... also Google Now works (when its giving me weather changes in the morning)
However, as soon as I ask Google Search "what's the weather like today", it tells me the weather for Washington and its driving me up the wall. Anybody else in Canada having the Same issues?
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I believe there is a setting somewhere that has a check box "use Wi-Fi to determine my position". You need to find it and un-check the box. I would venture a guess that your internet service provider has a hub in Vegas and your outside IP address is registered through that facility.
Edit: turn Google Location Services OFF... Settings>>Location Services
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I don't think this is the problem because I've tried, my phone (Rogers, originally registered in Calgary) as a hot spot, my house, my friends house, my work's wifi. All of these respond to any Non-location-specified operation to Washington. i.e. If i asked what time it was, it will give me washington's time. Same with weather, Washington weather. Im living in Canada. Is this a Canada specific problem maybe?
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I don't think this is the problem because I've tried, my phone (Rogers, originally registered in Calgary) as a hot spot, my house, my friends house, my work's wifi. All of these respond to any Non-location-specified operation to Washington. i.e. If i asked what time it was, it will give me washington's time. Same with weather, Washington weather. Im living in Canada. Is this a Canada specific problem maybe?
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Nope, I'm having the same issue and I'm in the US. With "Google location services" and enabled, mine jumps back and forth between my actual location and the main floor of the "ny, ny" casino in Vegas. I have 3 other Android devices sitting near me that have never had an issue.
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Nope, I'm having the same issue and I'm in the US. With "Google location services" and enabled, mine jumps back and forth between my actual location and the main floor of the "ny, ny" casino in Vegas. I have 3 other Android devices sitting near me that have never had an issue.
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Yep, that's why I started this thread. Mine says I'm in the "NY,NY" casino in Vegas as well, and I'm in Florida.
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Android Location Services periodically checks on your location using GPS, Cell-ID, and Wi-Fi to locate your device. When it does this, your Android device will send back publicly broadcast Wi-Fi access points' Service set identifier (SSID) and Media Access Control (MAC) data. The Google street car does this sort of thing too; collects Wi-Fi access points' data and MAC addresses, then associates them with their GPS location data.
What this means simply is that Google knows where you are when you are connected to an SSID they have previously collected location data on. For whatever reason, Google's data regarding your SSID is that it's location is somewhere in Vegas. I imagine this to be something that would remedy itself in time, though I'm not sure what the quick fix is. Maybe if you go in and out of range of your router with GPS on, the association will reset with the new location data? Are you set up to send anonymous location data back to Google?
There's nothing wrong with your GPS though.
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I guess I'm confused about this because I have both my N7 and GNex connected to my wireless router at home. I've had my GNex since it came out and have not had this issue with it. My router only has one SSID, right? And both of my devices are connected to it with only the N7 having the issue. And again it's only when "Google Location Services" is checked. It stinks to have to turn it off because "Google Now" requires it to be checked.