I have an Optimus 7 unlocked and on the US T-Mobile network. Works great, and I *truly* love this phone!
Anyhow, I was under the impression that most phone updates will be handle via the cell carrier. In this case, though, I'm on T-Mobile which doesn't officially support this phone. So, how will phone (firmware and/or OS) updates be handled? Straight from LG? Does anyone know?
Thanks,
Yip
Well, I am here to inform you that your impressions are incorrect. The updates are completely handled by Microsoft through Zune Software, and (possibly) through some Over the Air updates by carriers. There are some rumours going around that some carriers might block certain updates until they are done with testing, but the manufacturers and carriers do not dictate who and when and how updates are handled in general.
That's good news! In this case, I don't mind being incorrect
Thanks for the info.
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Any chance the DVP will see an update for those of us with unlocked ones?
Microsoft is starting to push it out to the masses, so just wondering.
I doubt it.
No one knows. Hopefully we'll get the cabs soon so we can manually push it with cabsender.
Did they just say today that all 1st and 1.5 gen phones will get 7.8?? Guess time to update to 8107 to prepare!
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No one knows. Hopefully we'll get the cabs soon so we can manually push it with cabsender.
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aleunge said:
Did they just say today that all 1st and 1.5 gen phones will get 7.8?? Guess time to update to 8107 to prepare!
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What I've heard is that once you have the 7.8 OS on there, all future updates will be delivered OTA, bypassing the carrier entirely. (I guess that means you'll have to be connected to wifi.)
Once WP8 is ready, that'll be about the time that they release WP7.8. The carrier will still have to greenlight 7.10.8107, 7.10.8773, and (whatever 7.8 is) before Zune will allow you to update.
So hopefully all the handset makers will care enough about their long-dead product lines to update to 7.8 to take the carriers out of the Windows Phone update equation.
Personally I'm going to wait on the 8107 update for the DVP until T-Mobile greenlights it.
Technosquid said:
What I've heard is that once you have the 7.8 OS on there, all future updates will be delivered OTA, bypassing the carrier entirely. (I guess that means you'll have to be connected to wifi.)
Once WP8 is ready, that'll be about the time that they release WP7.8. The carrier will still have to greenlight 7.10.8107, 7.10.8773, and (whatever 7.8 is) before Zune will allow you to update.
So hopefully all the handset makers will care enough about their long-dead product lines to update to 7.8 to take the carriers out of the Windows Phone update equation.
Personally I'm going to wait on the 8107 update for the DVP until T-Mobile greenlights it.
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its carrier dependent or manufacturer dependent?
my DVP is unlocked and running up here in Canada so whats to say I will receive any of these updates?
fubag said:
its carrier dependent or manufacturer dependent?
my DVP is unlocked and running up here in Canada so whats to say I will receive any of these updates?
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Well if your DVP is factory unlocked, you'll probably get any updates made available. I had a factory unlocked version and no issues upgrading all the way to 8107. Not so fortunate with my TMO unlocked version though. Had to force the update as I don't have much faith in waiting for TMO after phone has reached EOL with them... and Dell too. Anyways, last I read about 7.8 is that it won't go through carriers but who really knows...
Also in Canada BTW :highfive:
I think they're always going to TALK to the carriers about the updates, if for no other reason than to make sure their preloaded apps will run as expected, but I think from 7.8 and on the update schedule will be primarily dictated by when each manufacturer's hardware guys finish testing.
The 7.8 update is going to be delivered in exactly the same way as all previous updates, but after that all future updates will be delivered over wifi, and irrespective which carrier you're on. I kind of feel like 7.8 will be the last update for Windows CE handsets, but at least they're leaving it open
I contacted Dell Care about this, and according to their reply they are unsure whether we will receive any of these updates including Windows Tango Refresh 7.5 or 7.8
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Well if your DVP is factory unlocked, you'll probably get any updates made available. I had a factory unlocked version and no issues upgrading all the way to 8107. Not so fortunate with my TMO unlocked version though. Had to force the update as I don't have much faith in waiting for TMO after phone has reached EOL with them... and Dell too. Anyways, last I read about 7.8 is that it won't go through carriers but who really knows...
Also in Canada BTW :highfive:
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Please can you send me the step by step instructions so I can force the update on my venue pro too!
All the info you need should be in this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1497142
upgrading to TANGO with Zune...
DVP 16 GB No-Brand Italy
Updated done! no problem...
tethering NOT present, I hoped because with Tango it is introduced in Nokia Lumia 800...
And for peeps like me without a non-branded DVP, here's for sending them cabs to force update to Tango:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1736993
No update for me yet and I have an unbranded AT&T compatible version.
OOps my bad. Repeat post. Please delete mods. :silly:
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No update for me yet and I have an unbranded AT&T compatible version.
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To be clear, when we say "unbranded" are we talking about a phone without a logo on it? Or a phone that doesn't come with the AT&T apps that install at the last stage of setup? I don't think any of the DVPs had a logo on them, and to my understanding, if the phone was ever locked to a carrier, you have to abide by that carrier's update schedule (*excluding hacks of course.)
Is that wrong?
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To be clear, when we say "unbranded" are we talking about a phone without a logo on it? Or a phone that doesn't come with the AT&T apps that install at the last stage of setup? I don't think any of the DVPs had a logo on them, and to my understanding, if the phone was ever locked to a carrier, you have to abide by that carrier's update schedule (*excluding hacks of course.)
Is that wrong?
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Yeah no AT&T apps, not sold subsidized, 16GB unlocked version with AT&T compatible bands. I was able to get the Mango update right away by doing the network disconnection trick.
I think I'll just send the cabs over.
The only physically branded devices dell made recently was the Streak7 on tmo, besides that they never had any external markings or even a custom carrier box.
(The S7 had a single tmo label on the back and that was it)
The rest is more or less correct though, carrier branded = carrier apps + carrier schedule.
Tmo initally had a good relationship with dell (launch partners for the S7 and VP) but then it went south and they blocked the HC update for the S7 and 7740+ for the VP.
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upgrading to TANGO with Zune...
DVP 16 GB No-Brand Italy
Updated done! no problem...
tethering NOT present, I hoped because with Tango it is introduced in Nokia Lumia 800...
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no go for me i had an unlocked one from dell direct, no tango =(
I sent the cabs using cabsender. Worked fine.
Is there really a different marshmallow update for moto pure that's on t mobile ? That's why I bought an unlocked phone to start with. T mobile has always been bad about updates. Need answers please
No, update should be the same, only reason we haven't gotten it yet on T-Mobile is because T-Mobile hasn't approved/certified VoLTE/Band 12/etc for their network.
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No, update should be the same, only reason we haven't gotten it yet on T-Mobile is because T-Mobile hasn't approved/certified VoLTE/Band 12/etc for their network.
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What's the implication of that for us here..would you install it by removing SIM & download over Wi-Fi or are you waiting for a more official rollout to T-mobile (or not installing it for other reasons people are complaining about like Wi-Fi+browser+call network issues)?
MM is running great for me. Sideloaded it when it was first posted as a soak test. That update was apparently for Verizon/Sprint users but look at the update being rolled out to AT&T users, its the same as the soak test. Either T-Mobile certifies the current update and we end up getting the same exact update as everyone else, or T-Mobile tells Motorola it doesn't meet their requirements and Motorola rolls out a new build with the specifications set by T-Mobile, which Verizon and all other carrier users will get also since the builds are not carrier specific and neither is the device.
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MM is running great for me. Sideloaded it when it was first posted as a soak test. That update was apparently for Verizon/Sprint users but look at the update being rolled out to AT&T users, its the same as the soak test. Either T-Mobile certifies the current update and we end up getting the same exact update as everyone else, or T-Mobile tells Motorola it doesn't meet their requirements and Motorola rolls out a new build with the specifications set by T-Mobile, which Verizon and all other carrier users will get also since the builds are not carrier specific and neither is the device.
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Hmm so you've been running MM for weeks on MXP on T-Mobile with no issues & worst case scenario everyone would get another update later that meets T-Mobile requirements so no reason not to install?
What about the people complaining about slow browser performance-Wi-Fi-call-network issues?
https://motorola-global-portal.cust...prod_answer_detail/a_id/109124/p/30,6720,9541
https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/product_page/faqs/p/30,6720,9541/#/how_do_i
-Thnx for your feedback
My browser works fine. I rarely get any issues and if there is any, it's just slight lag on this website. WiFi and calling is fine for me. I do get band 12 when I'm at work in certain areas but I'm on band 4 99% of the time
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My browser works fine. I rarely get any issues and if there is any, it's just slight lag on this website. WiFi and calling is fine for me. I do get band 12 when I'm at work in certain areas but I'm on band 4 99% of the time
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So you have no regrets.. good to read.
I mainly use Boat+floating+Chrome browsers but occasionally use others..any ideas why people are reporting browser issues & you experience a slight lag only on this website?
Why is T-Mobile taking so long to certify the update?
Still no t mobile update. Thinking about pulling sim and doing update. But if and when t mobile certifies it will it update again any thoughts ?
Me: Will always on display be updated on S7 edge to match the same features as the note 7's always on display?
Sammy: Thanks for reaching out to us. Our Social Team is here for you 24/7. While we cannot speculate on any possible future updates on devices, features on all our devices vary by carrier and region. While the devices are mostly identical, some devices take advantage of the unique capabilities of their carrier networks. For more information, please contact your preferred carrier.
Me: The always on display is actually an app. It's not carrier or region specific. It would require Samsung to just update the app and allow us s7/s7 edge users use the updated always on display.
Sammy: Please note that Always On is a feature.
Me: A feature that all phones currently have (s7/s7 edge/note 7) . S7 edge currently has version 1.3.13. The note 7 has version 1.7.12 (which even got updated yesterday).
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Total canned response sadly. Keep poking them until an actual person responds rather than their computer generated responses.
Hilarious!!!!
I'm sure the cs rep goes home and cuts his wrists everyday for not being able to give an actual response that isn't scripted
Well that was a blah response. They should be able to update it.
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Everyone seems to have their own reason for the slow updates for the G930U and I'd like to chime in with mine. This is 100% speculation and I have no proof to back it up, so take it as such. In theory, the G930U should be updated faster as they have already had the OS updates compiled for the device and sent to the carriers for their individual updates. The carriers add all their bloat and remove features from the Samsung Vanilla update. The carriers have to do all their modifying before they release it, which can be time consuming. Since the OS is already complete before the carriers receive it for modifying, why does the Vanilla variant(G930U) take so long???
I believe firmware is the cause for the delays. The G930V firmware is designed to work great on Verizon, and Verizon doesn't care if it works well on T-Mobile, AT&T, or anyone else. The G930T is optimized for T-Mobile, and they don't care if it works well on Verizon or any others. However, the G930U is programmed to work on "ALL" carriers, so firmware has to work well across multiple carriers. I believe the delays in updates are from Samsung working out as many bugs across all the major carriers before releasing it.
I've come to this conclusion from being on U-firmware PEH, then PG9, and most recently PL2. I am on Verizon service and every update works much better than the last. I have heard the same thing from users on AT&T and T-Mobile. This could realistically be a cause for the slow updates, as they have to optimize the firmware to work across many services, whereas the carrier-specific variants are optimized to work on that one specific carrier.
Maybe I'm just being naive. Does anyone else see this as a viable reason for slower updates for the Vanilla device?
you have very good points and i think it could be, but what about the SM-G930F for example, this device is the international variant and is updated frequently across countries and carriers that use the same exact device. How can samsung update that device almost every month but the US unlocked one can only be updated quarterly? My speculation is that since the US had never had an unlocked samsung device, the US carriers didn't really like the idea of samsung selling an open device in their territory and so maybe they only way they would allow it was if samsung committed itself to quarterly updates for the unlocked S8 in the US. As you, i am also speculating but given the way US carriers work i don't think i may be wrong. i do know the carriers may want that the Unlocked version is optimized but i don't think that process takes months to do.
The 930F uses the Exynos processor, correct? If so, I'd suspect they have a lot more hurdles to jump on the G930U firmware with Qualcomm as another important party. The Exynos processor is made in house, so they don't need outside assistance.
I'd like to understand better how OTA udpates are distributed.
The specific model I'm interested in is TA-1045, as sold by Best Buy (unlocked) in the US (TA-1045 BLACK SKU:6219312), but the principle applies more broadly.
My intention is to buy the phone and later use it in Europe with some European carriers (I do not care about 4G frequencies, but do care about security updates very much).
It seems that OTA updates have to be approved by the carrier, even for unlocked phones, and there's the risk that a given firmware/model will never be approved by a given carrier, so my question:
what are the relevant data needed to determine whether a given model of Nokia 6.1 will receive timely OTAs with a given carrier (perhaps a carrier located in a country it was not originally marketed for)?
(A small unrelated rant is that this situation, with me even asking this question, is abysmal and embarassing for whoever is responsible for the process, either the carriers or the manufacturer, etc.)
Many thanks in advance.
It's trial and error. You won't get a definitive answer on your question. Some carriers approve updates only for models marketed in their region while others approve for all (I guess that depends on specific country regulations). You can take your US sim in Europe and use it for checking for updates, just download them over WiFi.