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Just a quick poll to see where everyone here is at. I'm probably going to give Sprint a year or so to expand their 4g (WiMax) coverage before committing to a new phone. I highly doubt (although I know I will be proved wrong) that the N1 will be on par with the newest (super)smartphones for quite some time.
I agree... Evo specs are nice, but not enough for me to jump ship..... n1 baby
I change my phones like I change my underwear, but I can see my beloved little nexus being with me for some considerable time.
not leaving Tmobile for Sprint.
After seeing the various update debacles with the phones currently out in the market..i think I'll stick to phones sold directly by Google. I feel bad for all the Droid owners.
I'm waiting on a tegra android phone...then ill make the jump!
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not leaving Tmobile for Sprint.
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im jumping as soon as it comes out i had tmobile then sprint then tmobile again. With sprint i had much better coverage than i do with tmobile.
I agree its not that big of jump because it only has minor upgrades: slightly improved processor (can be overclocked to 1.3ghz), better camera, dont care for the hdmi port, kickstand. Its the screen i want that screen soooo bad without windows mobile. Yes we do have amoled but the quality on the hd2 is still amazing and i assume it will be visible in the sun lol
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I agree its not that big of jump because it only has minor upgrades: slightly improved processor (can be overclocked to 1.3ghz),
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Where'd you find this information? Isn't it the same processor as the N1?
Personally, I'm skeptical on the HDMI out, too. It wasn't until after I hooked up my laptop to my TV that I found out it's only video-out, not audio, which defeated a lot of the purpose for my use.
I am concerned the screen is too big. The N1 seems to fit snugly in my pockets, this one may be a little tighter of a fit -- although I haven't heard this complain about the HD2.
ALSO, I do think that t-mobile --> sprint is an upgrade. TMo 3g is good, when its good, but it isn't always good (make sense?). Some 3g areas i get 2500 down, 1500 up, some I get 800 down, and in most places I'm in 2g network. On the other hand, my girlfriend has a Pixi via Sprint and I almost never see hers out of an EV-DO network (3g for Sprint, I believe).
Next phone has to have 1.5 Ghz or dual , till then I will keep the SexyNexi!
It's very tempting but I think I'll stick with my N1 and T-mo for little while.
meh. it's big, ugly, and glossy. sprint sucks here too.
I'd stick to tmo. Only reason to change would be coverage issues for your area. As far as their new '4g' upgrades..check the following links.
jkontherun.com/2010/02/16/t-mobile-webconnect-rocket-review-21mbps/
intomobile.com/2010/03/24/4g-in-america-lies-lies-and-more-damn-lies.html
If they hold true it essentially means 4g is a lie (ITU has not ratified the standard). Comcast, Cleawire, and Sprint all advertise it like crazy on TV here in the mid-atlantic region. Very misleading if the speed tests and truth about the standard are correct. Also looks like (true to nature) they are crippling it right out of the gate. Sure, 4g 'spec' has potential and some of the APAC carriers who adopted a draft spec of it early have shown what it's capable of but the US carriers just cant ever seem to get it right.
My next phone will be Super AMOLED.
I can't see a reason to switch otherwise.
If for no other reason already mentioned, I'd hold off on the EVO until battery life has been tested. WiMAX means you need two radios functioning simultaneously, which would mean your battery would barely make it through half a day, in theory.
No reason to switch to sprint & evo now, the Nexus continues to rock!
Waiting on nexus two!
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Waiting on nexus two!
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I think some G1 owners are still waiting on the G2; you might be waiting a while
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I change my phones like I change my underwear, but I can see my beloved little nexus being with me for some considerable time.
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That's pretty gross.
A friend of mine just got an HD2, and seeing that dimensions are similar ill pass, its too large and bulky for my taste as opposed to sleek and sexi, with that said ill stick to my n1 on another note its SPRINT..nuff said.
http://omgdroid.com/2011/09/12/t-mobile-leaves-customers-feeling-left-sgsii-variant/
So what do u think about the Hercules not getting the Exynos chip and the other three U.S SGS2 phones from other carriers will have it. I really dont know what to say???
**UPDATE** We will be getting Qualcomm 1.5Ghz dual-core APQ8060 processor will power the 4.52″ Super AMOLED Plus device. NICE
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http://omgdroid.com/2011/09/12/t-mobile-leaves-customers-feeling-left-sgsii-variant/
So what do u think about the Hercules not getting the Exynos chip and the other three U.S SGS2 phones from other carriers will have it. I really dont know what to say???
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I think two words.....nexus prime
IMHO: im dropping my even more plus plan and walking into sprint and purchasing my epic 4g touch for 75 bucks as a new customer sign on bonus and never being throttled again [smiley face].
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deal breaker.
Yep. Lame. Ion.
I voided my warranty and your mum.
Its like getting a core duo instead of I7 which sucks
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If you get tegra2 and hdmi mirroring youll be.good to go.still. imo at least. Tegra2 isnt a pansy. It does suck though.
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I think two words.....nexus prime
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That's IT. Nexus Prime I'm coming
If Nexus Prime comes to TMO, isn't it likely to also not have Exynos for the same 42 Mbps reason?
What I'm thinking is while it's unfortunate, it's not the end of the world. I'm more curious to see if it's got that damned Yamaha DAC, or if they wised up and went back to Wolfson.
Since I'm not eager to switch off of TMO just yet, unless the Nexus does come to TMO, I'm likely to get the SGS2/Hercules.
I really have been looking forward to the SGSII exynos proc....I probably wont be getting hercules for a multitude of reasons (mainly money) I would still get it if i could just to work on a kernel for it, but I would really prefer exynos vs anything else. Mainly because the Mali-400MP has significantly higher texture performance (lower geometry, but texture matters more for current loads)
Deal breaker. Well I was waiting for an ICS device anyway..which would be media prime
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I think two words.....nexus prime
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+1 10 char
I think I really meant #neveragain. Fool me once (behold 2) shame on me, fool me twice (vibrant) shame on you. There will be no third for me.
Thank you edt for making up for tmo's/samsux's malicious shortcomings
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IMHO: im dropping my even more plus plan and walking into sprint and purchasing my epic 4g touch for 75 bucks as a new customer sign on bonus and never being throttled again [smiley face].
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Sprint coverage and 3G speeds too terrible/slow for me, and they're virtually guaranteed not to improve that at any decent rate.
As terrible as AT&T is, I may have to leave T-Mobile for them and get an iPhone or something that allows me to get a 4GB data plan because I really need 3G coverage, and they put up a new tower right near here earlier this year.
But that's fine. They're getting all the good phones these days it seems, anyways...
for people who cant just walk up and leave tmobil like me. Ill still be getting the hercules because hands down its the best phone hands down by tmobil.
2 questions about the Prime:
1. on all different android/tech sites I keep seeing people say they will wait for the Prime...not that it is a bad idea, but its supposed to be made by samsung, so if tmobile gets it, wont they just do the same thing with the CPU? What Cpu is the Prime rumored to have?
2. It seems every android site i go to people are saying to pass this up for the Prime "in a couple/few weeks" It seems people are sure its coming to Tmobile and sure its coming in just a couple weeks. I keep seeing that as if its a fact....
I will probably wait to see the prime too, im just saying it seems like people are 100% sure of its specs, that it is coming to Tmobile, and that it is only a couple of weeks out...I dont see the manufactures that are releasing the GS2 (3 major except Verizon), releasing a nexus prime/droid/samsung prime within just a couple weeks of releasing the GS2....
any thoughts? Im not hating, i just want to be clued in as to why everyone is so sure its coming to Tmobile, in a few weeks and what CPU it will have???
I would wait and see. Supposedly the next nexus is 1,5 dual core ti omap 4460 and an overclocked powergx vr 540 or whatever its called. Its hard to say what to wait for. I want to see how well the phone handles with higher resolution and if the battery life is there. The latest tech nology is always a waiting game and there is something better around the corner always. Plus, i also want to see what moto brings to the table. I plan on getting a phone by december, and it is my intention, seriously, to have this next device for two years+.
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I would wait and see. Supposedly the next nexus is 1,5 dual core ti omap 4460 and an overclocked powergx vr 540 or whatever its called. Its hard to say what to wait for. I want to see how well the phone handles with higher resolution and if the battery life is there. The latest tech nology is always a waiting game and there is something better around the corner always. Plus, i also want to see what moto brings to the table. I plan on getting a phone by december, and it is my intention, seriously, to have this next device for two years+.
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relating this to my question right above, assuming the nexus prime is a samsung phone, I thought most people wanted the samsung exynos processor in it; which is why many are disappointed by the Hercules not getting it...?
So i don't know anything about the ti processor you are referring to, but how is it supposed to compare to the samsung exynos processor? I guess im am just confused that we all wanted the exynos on the hercules, but are ok that it is not rumored to be in the nexus prime?
It's almost retarded, this choice of them. I don't need to download stuff at 4.5 MB/s at all times, but I need to have a fast and responsive device with a nice energy management at absolutely all times. 21 Mbps on a f'ing phone is already overkill.
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If Nexus Prime comes to TMO, isn't it likely to also not have Exynos for the same 42 Mbps reason?
What I'm thinking is while it's unfortunate, it's not the end of the world. I'm more curious to see if it's got that damned Yamaha DAC, or if they wised up and went back to Wolfson.
Since I'm not eager to switch off of TMO just yet, unless the Nexus does come to TMO, I'm likely to get the SGS2/Hercules.
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It is rumored to run omap 4, far better than the snapdragon in the Hercules.
I personally am waiting for the n3. It wont have the 42 down but ill never see past the 21 so I'm fine.
Hmmm, just thought about it, maybe that's why they changed this soc, to have some type of selling point to "people who don't know better" once the prime comes out?
"Oh, that was has faster internet, I want that one" said the dumbass
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I know I posted a while ago if this was a good replacement for my G2 - but now I'm looking to supplement it.
This would be over the other two current options, the Lumia 710 and the Radar. I love physical keyboards, and I'm assuming the screen between the three is the best (and obviously biggest). Plus, I like the reaction when I ask T-Mobile employees about it and then show them pics of it - most of them aren't even aware it exists. Front facing camera on the Radar is nice, but not a dealbreaker. They're all available to me for around the same price brand-new/off-contract.
Anyway, my concern is that it being an older phone, I'm not sure how much longer it'll be supported, and if it'll be supported into Tango/Apollo (not saying either the 710 or Radar will, though); although according to a post in this article, if Dell reps are getting them to replace other phones and it's still getting updates, I'm hoping it'll get supported for a while:
http://www.wpcentral.com/dell-shocks-world-releases-8107-os-update-unlocked-venue-pro
I'm aware of the lack of Wifi hotspot and compass, but neither really matter to me. I need a WP7 phone period (for work), and it has to be on T-Mobile, so it's just between these three phones.
Raw spec wise, the VP is 1 generation older.
It's a 4.1 AMOLED (no super, no plus, which means it's pentile)
Biggest diff is obviously the screen, the V/VP's screen isnt amazing but it's by no means bad, it's easily much better then any plain lcd it's age (but it's a year old, dunno how it compares to more recent lcds like the other 2 you mention) After using a 4.1 and 5.0" phone, I'm pretty sure there's no way I'm gonna go back to anything under 4.0" It's simply too small unless you're basically using it as a featurephone.
No WP7 device is really old enough to be EOLed yet, but the VP is a launch device so it will be among the first to EOL (whenever that is?)
The tmo one is only 99 cents on contract (if you consider that cheap) you can easily get a brand new one off ebay for less then $200. (New, unopened, and recently manufactured)
Full price: eh it's a hard sell.
On contract/less then full price: It's worth the money if you want a HW keyboard.
It's basically breaks down to: do you want the keyboard and screen size.
Screen Size and Keyboard make it a no brainer to me. I wont even consider reupping my contract for a new windows phone unless the screen is 4.3in minimum though. The 1st gen processor doesn't really matter much as WinPhone is so smooth...Just my thoughts.
I have both the dell VP and the 710. I have also spent time with the radar. There is no easy way to recommend, seeing how this is a basic personal choice.
Of the 3, the dell is the nicest.
Of the 3, the 710 is the fastest.
Of the 3, the dell and the 710 do not have front facing cameras.
Of the 3, the dell is by far the oldest. There were serious questions regarding mango compatibility. I doubt, PERSONAL OPINION ONLY, the dell will see Apollo.
Do not mix Tango and Apollo. They are not on the same path. Tango is considered a mango derivative, not an upgrade, most likely associated with a hardware line.
As second Gen hardware starts arriving in the coming months, the dell will fall, behind speed wise at least. So if your phone usage includes a healthy dose of data usage, you should probably factor the lack of 4g and wifi n into your decision.
Hmm...definitely gives me a lot to think about...anybody know how battery life compares to the other two phones? The keyboard is basically the #1 reason why I'm considering the phone, but not if there's better options. I know WP7 is smooth in general - is there anywhere the better/newer processors of the Radar/710 come in? Data speeds are a valid point, but I don't think I'll be needing much more than it provides.
I really don't see why people are comparing 1st gen and 2nd gen. The only MAJOR difference I see is the processor, is 400mhz REALLY going to make that much difference? Not that I can think of.
Yea the camera sucks when not shooting in daylight but its a phone...And yea there's no front facing camera(a luxury not a requirement)either, in all the times of having a FF camera on my devices I only ever used it once on my Galaxy S in a Skype call.
The other advantages of this phone far outway its disadvantages.
Perfect physical keyboard
Big amoled screen
Nice quality speaker/mic due to slider mechanism
Premium look + feel
Gorilla Glass
Removable SD card, limitless expansion(if you dont care about your warrenty)
The compass not working isn't a major problem either, its just a luxury that COMPLIMENTS the gps, as long as I can use Bing/Google/Navigon maps I honestly couldn't care about the compass.
Let's not forget that software issues can be fixed, yea I know Dell haven't said much regarding the compass but that doesn't mean to say they won't fix it in the future.
I'd say go for it, until the generation gap is that big I don't think this being a 1st gen phone really makes all that much difference.
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So if your phone usage includes a healthy dose of data usage, you should probably factor the lack of 4g and wifi n into your decision.
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The Dell Service Manual and Windows Phone Device Manager both state that the phone has N capabilities...
Had mine since launch, and personally while I would like to upgrade to something like the Lumia 900 the Dell really is still a good, fast and stable WP7 phone with the advantage of a unique design and the excellent keyboard. If your work usage just entails emails, viewing docs and calls there really isnt any reason not to get it.
As for support, generic devices are getting the update to 8107 so at least for now its still supported. If you can get it cheap now, do it and enjoy and wait for the real upgraded hardware with Apollo.
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The Dell Service Manual and Windows Phone Device Manager both state that the phone has N capabilities...
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It must be in error then, S1 snapdragons (such as the QSD8250 in the VP) do not support N, only B/G.
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Had mine since launch, and personally while I would like to upgrade to something like the Lumia 900 the Dell really is still a good, fast and stable WP7 phone with the advantage of a unique design and the excellent keyboard. If your work usage just entails emails, viewing docs and calls there really isnt any reason not to get it.
As for support, generic devices are getting the update to 8107 so at least for now its still supported. If you can get it cheap now, do it and enjoy and wait for the real upgraded hardware with Apollo.
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I agree with your statement.....but. It depends on how the OP acquiress the device. Get it used off Craigs list or ebay...sure....go for it...using appropriate caution. Buy it new and lock into a 2 yr contract, why? Why lock into a contract with an old phone. There is no difference in 400mhz is like saying all cars drive 60mph. Yes, thats true. Side by side there is a distinct difference in the speed of getting your data. If you choose to not see that, thats ok. sitting side by side with my Droid Bionic, there is NO comparison speed wise. The VP is a clear second choice. Even with the 710, speed wise, its a clear second place.
Now, the OP said data is not primary in their use of the phone. In that I agree that speed should not be a problem then. But I will fall back, once again, on old hardware, and a 2 yr contract. At the end of that contract, the Dell VP will be 3yr+ old hardware.
But.....the thing is pretty...the screed is very good...the keyboard is nice. Go for it if speed and age are ok with you. You wont be dissatisfied.
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It must be in error then, S1 snapdragons (such as the QSD8250 in the VP) do not support N, only B/G.
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I've never got the wifi N to connect, ever. I played with all the frequencies, and bands, etc. Had a connection to the MS DEV team for WP, and they confirmed, to me, no n with the Dell...at least the original dell vp.
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I agree with your statement.....but. It depends on how the OP acquiress the device. Get it used off Craigs list or ebay...sure....go for it...using appropriate caution. Buy it new and lock into a 2 yr contract, why? Why lock into a contract with an old phone. There is no difference in 400mhz is like saying all cars drive 60mph. Yes, thats true. Side by side there is a distinct difference in the speed of getting your data. If you choose to not see that, thats ok. sitting side by side with my Droid Bionic, there is NO comparison speed wise. The VP is a clear second choice. Even with the 710, speed wise, its a clear second place.
Now, the OP said data is not primary in their use of the phone. In that I agree that speed should not be a problem then. But I will fall back, once again, on old hardware, and a 2 yr contract. At the end of that contract, the Dell VP will be 3yr+ old hardware.
But.....the thing is pretty...the screed is very good...the keyboard is nice. Go for it if speed and age are ok with you. You wont be dissatisfied.
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I agree the Dell is not a good choice to get on a contract now, I dont think the other 2 WP7 choices on Tmo are any better either. The Radar and 710 storage is pitiful and the screens are smaller, and in a few months there will be better devices with faster data and more storage, probably not with a hardware keyboard but with big enough screens to make it easier to adjust.
I dont think the age of the hardware is too relevant, the Radar and 710 are themselves old tech compared to the current range of android phones, even compared to the iphone. The Dell still works beautifully though, and is one reason I dont feel the itch to get something else. Tough choice, but all told I would still pick the Dell for non-contract use, and wait for something better if it is going to be put on a contract.
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I agree the Dell is not a good choice to get on a contract now, I dont think the other 2 WP7 choices on Tmo are any better either. The Radar and 710 storage is pitiful and the screens are smaller, and in a few months there will be better devices with faster data and more storage, probably not with a hardware keyboard but with big enough screens to make it easier to adjust.
I dont think the age of the hardware is too relevant, the Radar and 710 are themselves old tech compared to the current range of android phones, even compared to the iphone. The Dell still works beautifully though, and is one reason I dont feel the itch to get something else. Tough choice, but all told I would still pick the Dell for non-contract use, and wait for something better if it is going to be put on a contract.
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T=Mobile is notorious for low ended hardware, especially with Windows Devices. The Radar and Lumia follow that path. I am more familar with the Lumia. Though I am happy with the device in that its 4g and wireless N, The look and feel are not what I would decide to move to for a primary 2yr phone. I too am looking very closely at the Lumia 900.
I've always hoped that TMO would begin to offer a couple of mediium to higher ended phones in the Windows space. Even a Samsung would be a change. But continued reliance on HTC and low end hardware overall, just makes me doubt TMO's commitment to quality.
I say again, if you can get a DELL VP off contract, its well worth it. On contract though, its an old phone thats just getting older. Think about phone design, testing, etc. and how long that takes. Then remember the DELL was released in Dec 2010. That means the design and hardware pushes back to close to, if not into, 2009. Thats a long time for a phone, hardware design wise.
I can vouch that the V dates back to early 2010/late 2009 as prototype roms are known from back then.
The VP is essentially a V+keyboard, so hardware wise it's the basically the same. The V/VP are some of the last S1 devices released, with the VP being a WP7 launch device.
Looking around: are there really that few choices for WP7 device on TmoUSA? I bought my VP for unrelated reasons.
Looking on wikipedia, pretty much all S2 WP7 devices are for at&t for US markets, or pretty much all but tmo?
Depending on your work you might not even notice the difference from S1/S2, if it were me I'd (and under the rather large assumption all device drivers are of the same quality):
I'd pick the VP for the larger screen if you wanted 3g on tmoUSA.
The fact it's only 4.1 isnt saying much, but it means jack how fast your phone is if the screen's so small you can only look at 1/20th of a page/whatever at a time.
If it wasnt tmo, something like the lumia 900/titan 2/focus s are pretty good otherwise (ignoring price)
If you want a HW keyboard, the VP is the only(?) tmoUSA 3g supported device.
If you must have a keyboard, nothing compares to the DVP. I've owned both the HD7 and the DVP, and I prefer the HD7. You can find those pretty cheap on Craigslist or eBay, 4.3" screen, decent, not great but better than the DVP, camera, and it has full unlock and custom roms if you like to tinker.
The DVP is a much prettier piece of hardware. I'll give it that. The screen is great compared to the HD7.
I would wait just a little longer and see what TMO releases. I still have faith that a Nokia, 800/900 will be coming. A TMO HDx successor would be great if I had an ultimate request.
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If you must have a keyboard, nothing compares to the DVP. I've owned both the HD7 and the DVP, and I prefer the HD7. You can find those pretty cheap on Craigslist or eBay, 4.3" screen, decent, not great but better than the DVP, camera, and it has full unlock and custom roms if you like to tinker.
The DVP is a much prettier piece of hardware. I'll give it that. The screen is great compared to the HD7.
I would wait just a little longer and see what TMO releases. I still have faith that a Nokia, 800/900 will be coming. A TMO HDx successor would be great if I had an ultimate request.
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Now wouldn't that be grand!!! A nokia 800/900 on T-Mobile. I'm crossing everything for that. However...patience is required. I understand AT&T has a 45-90 day exclusive window on the 900. So the earliest we could possibly see it is June-ish. And, I believe the 800 has yet to be picked up in North America.
Which ever the next device, consider a higher end model. This should allow updates to Apollo possible. I have also heard through the birdies that the first Apollo internal testing builds are ready. So hopefully we should be hearing things about that shortly.
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Now wouldn't that be grand!!! A nokia 800/900 on T-Mobile. I'm crossing everything for that. However...patience is required. I understand AT&T has a 45-90 day exclusive window on the 900. So the earliest we could possibly see it is June-ish. And, I believe the 800 has yet to be picked up in North America.
Which ever the next device, consider a higher end model. This should allow updates to Apollo possible. I have also heard through the birdies that the first Apollo internal testing builds are ready. So hopefully we should be hearing things about that shortly.
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As nice as the 4.3" 900 sounds, I wouldn't second guess picking up the 800. They are both amazing looking phones. Why TMO picked the 710 over the 800? We may never know.
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As nice as the 4.3" 900 sounds, I wouldn't second guess picking up the 800. They are both amazing looking phones. Why TMO picked the 710 over the 800? We may never know.
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Possibly for the same reason why they dont have the galaxy nexus (tmo previously was the launch partner for every other nexus, and the g1), they're trying to shoot themselves in the foot?
The newest device they have seems to be the HTC amaze, which at first impression from the specs is just a rehash of the htc sensation, possibly a varient of the sensation XE? (which is only months old)
Has tmo had any flagship device since last year (as a major launch partner i mean, "oh we also carry" things dont really count)?
The closest flagship wp7 device they had was the HD7, which at&t turned around and got the HD7S?
The titan/II and lumia8/900's would count as flagship devices, and the titan's are At&t devices.
Basically, tmoUSA's been sitting on their butts for the past half year or so?
They're lacking flagship devices on both fronts basically?
Until someone releases flagship AWS devices, you're not gonna see anything above edge bringing over a device.
If you dont mind that you could simply pick any unlocked device available, like the lumia 800. Amazon is selling unlocked international 800's.
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Possibly for the same reason why they dont have the galaxy nexus (tmo previously was the launch partner for every other nexus, and the g1), they're trying to shoot themselves in the foot?
The newest device they have seems to be the HTC amaze, which at first impression from the specs is just a rehash of the htc sensation, possibly a varient of the sensation XE? (which is only months old)
Has tmo had any flagship device since last year (as a major launch partner i mean, "oh we also carry" things dont really count)?
The closest flagship wp7 device they had was the HD7, which at&t turned around and got the HD7S?
The titan/II and lumia8/900's would count as flagship devices, and the titan's are At&t devices.
Basically, tmoUSA's been sitting on their butts for the past half year or so?
They're lacking flagship devices on both fronts basically?
Until someone releases flagship AWS devices, you're not gonna see anything above edge bringing over a device.
If you dont mind that you could simply pick any unlocked device available, like the lumia 800. Amazon is selling unlocked international 800's.
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TMOUS had the Sensation which I would consider a flagship. I had one, and after rooting and s-off it was amazing. You're right about the Amaze being a rehash. Slightly better camera and faster data speed (at the sacrifice of battery) is the only difference.
I use to buy unlocked international devices before TMO had 3g. I can't go back to edge speeds though. I wouldn't complain if they had hspa aws bands. Doesn't even have to be hspa+...
I'm waiting for pentaband chips to become more common. Its not too far down the road (I hope).
It's getting off topic, but the galaxy nexus is itself pentaband.
Buy a GSM galaxy nexus, it supports 850/900/1700/1900/2100, pretty much only missing 800.
Really makes you wonder why tmo doesnt have it, it's literally just a stamp of approval if you look at the nexus S (pretty much unmodified, launched as the AWS varient)
You could argue that carriers such as at&t and tmo are blocking cross-supporting devices from launching, there's nothing stopping a manu from simply not specifically releasing it in the US.
I believe it's not the chips per-se that determine what bands they support, but what amps the manufacturer puts in them. HTC is notorous for cutting corners and putting in the absolute minimum needed for a varient.
Hopefully nokia or samsung will make a WP7 phone that's at least triband or higher, preferably quad/penta. Nokia's already got experience with pentaband devices, they were like the first, or close enough.
It really doesnt matter which os you like, only that there's plenty of people on the wrong side of the fence for 3g
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It's getting off topic, but the galaxy nexus is itself pentaband.
Buy a GSM galaxy nexus, it supports 850/900/1700/1900/2100, pretty much only missing 800.
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I thought I read that all those bands were not available. They were all listed but not all selectable. I don't own the nexus, nor have I played with it. Just a side article I read somewhere. I could be mistaken, most likely am....
Thanks for all the info/help, guys - I went ahead and bought it for $230 plus $4 overnight shipping, hopefully should have it tomorrow to start playing with. I'll post my reactions (and any questions) soon after.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/18/atandt-confirms-htc-one-x-to-land-may-6th/#continued
Not close - won't fit in a normal pocket, 56% larger based on overall measurements, weighs 36% more, non-replaceable battery. Fail as Aria replacement. May be a great phone, but much too large.
Wouldn't the HTC One V be a more suitable replacement?
With the X, you might as well be carrying around a tablet in your pocket.
I wasn't talking about it being a similar phone, ha. Just a phone that I like enough to replace the aria. Probably should have clarified
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On one hand, I think I'm eligible for an upgrade in late May, but as nice as the One X looks I can't justify buying it, given how crippled it is compared to the international version. Half the internal memory (even if all 16GB were free it wouldn't hold my music collection) and a dual-core Snapdragon instead of a quad-core Tegra 3. LTE doesn't matter too much to me, since we don't even have 3G around where I live, and the college I go to has campus-wide WiFi and city-wide WiMAX for the laptops.
The X seems way to big as a phone for me. It definitely has some powa! I've had the aria for almost a year and a half now and I'm so use to having a small phone. I have to wait till next January for next grade. ouch hopefully a quad core sized aria will be made.
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On one hand, I think I'm eligible for an upgrade in late May, but as nice as the One X looks I can't justify buying it, given how crippled it is compared to the international version. Half the internal memory (even if all 16GB were free it wouldn't hold my music collection) and a dual-core Snapdragon instead of a quad-core Tegra 3. LTE doesn't matter too much to me, since we don't even have 3G around where I live, and the college I go to has campus-wide WiFi and city-wide WiMAX for the laptops.
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I'd prefer the dual-core Snapdragon over the quad-core Tegra 3. More cores does not always mean better.
Ive used the Note for some time so I think Ill be able to adjust xD. I think its probably my next upgrade. Either this or the new SGS3.
I had the oppurtunity to play with the one x at my local att store today they let have a sneak peak at it before it goes on display tomorrow and I have to say for being 4.7 screen it was surprisingly comfortable in my hand and fit quite easily into my pocket almost less noticeable then my aria. Its unlike any HTC phone before very light and thin. The screen was stunning and it was fast and smooth. I'm pretty much sold on this phone unless the may 3rd announcement in London about the details of the new sg3 is truly note worthy I'll be picking the one x up. As far as the quad vs the dual debate goes I've following a thread where an xda member has quad and just received the rogers one x which will be the same as the att version and in just about every bench mark he has done the duel core out performed the quad. He also felt that the duel just seems better in real world use.
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On one hand, I think I'm eligible for an upgrade in late May, but as nice as the One X looks I can't justify buying it, given how crippled it is compared to the international version. Half the internal memory (even if all 16GB were free it wouldn't hold my music collection) and a dual-core Snapdragon instead of a quad-core Tegra 3. LTE doesn't matter too much to me, since we don't even have 3G around where I live, and the college I go to has campus-wide WiFi and city-wide WiMAX for the laptops.
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The s4 outperforms the tegra 3 in almost every test. Its not the number of cores but the architecture that counts.
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And for $199, It's a steal! I'd be a fool not to get it. I have been due for an upgrade since this month. I am 100% sold on this phone. I try not to think about it though because my nerves get the best of me. It's so long until the sixth!
Perfect time too because the Aria is really starting to show its age. Once I upgrade, the Aria will be a dedicated GPS.
Yea the $199 is def a great price for this beast
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Just pre-ordered this baby this morning! Will arrive at my doorstep on the fourth! The Aria forums are a wonderful community, and I can only hope that the One X forums are even half as friendly!
Saw an article today saying there was a promotion at AT&T to get it for $149. I definitely agree that the dual-core is better for "real world" use over the Tegra 3.
Unfortunately for AT&T and HTC, I am going to be switching to Verizon when the SGS3 comes out, unless it is just a complete bust, which I really don't see happening. Verizon has a far more widespread LTE network and much better customer service. I think it's funny how AT&T advertises that their LTE network is faster, but fails to mention that there are far fewer LTE users on their network than Verizon. If AT&T had the LTE traffic that Verizon does, there is no way they would have faster speeds. *steps down from soap box*
Edit: Throwing this out there...I bet the SGS3 gets root and full CM9 support in less time from its release date than the One X. Any takers?
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Saw an article today saying there was a promotion at AT&T to get it for $149. I definitely agree that the dual-core is better for "real world" use over the Tegra 3.
Unfortunately for AT&T and HTC, I am going to be switching to Verizon when the SGS3 comes out, unless it is just a complete bust, which I really don't see happening. Verizon has a far more widespread LTE network and much better customer service. I think it's funny how AT&T advertises that their LTE network is faster, but fails to mention that there are far fewer LTE users on their network than Verizon. If AT&T had the LTE traffic that Verizon does, there is no way they would have faster speeds. *steps down from soap box*
Edit: Throwing this out there...I bet the SGS3 gets root and full CM9 support in less time from its release date than the One X. Any takers?
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Oh no doubt! SGS has quite a following! And I would totally be on that boat, however I am not about to wait around for six months for the phone.
I have an sgs2 skyrocket but am eyeing that one x very hard. I miss the build quality of hTc. Samsung just doesn't feel as good in the hand.
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I have an sgs2 skyrocket but am eyeing that one x very hard. I miss the build quality of hTc. Samsung just doesn't feel as good in the hand.
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HTC Build quality is def top notch. Sammy phones have thin plastic, but that wouldn't bother me as I will always use a case...so it wouldn't feel too cheep.
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Oh no doubt! SGS has quite a following! And I would totally be on that boat, however I am not about to wait around for six months for the phone.
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You really think it will be 6 months from now until carriers offer it? I was thinking it would become available in June sometime.
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You really think it will be 6 months from now until carriers offer it? I was thinking it would become available in June sometime.
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Well, that is what happened with the SGSII
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Well, that is what happened with the SGSII
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+1 October to November release probably.
My contract will be up in a few months and I'm looking for what's next. The Vibrant has been a great phone and is still going strong but it' starting to show it's age. Also I don't think I want to lock into another 2 year contract. So here's my thoughts...
Google is now selling the Galaxy Nexus for $400
https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=galaxy_nexus_hspa
And I can also get the bring your own SIM unlimited plan for $45/month.
I'm guessing I will break even in about 6 months as opposed to buying the Galaxy II on contract.
Thoughts?
Don't buy the GS2. there are a lot of phones out that are so much better. Speaking from personal experience. GS2 is already yesterdays news. Wait or move to another carrier. T-Mobile sucks with their updates! Run! RUN I TELL YOU!! RUUUUUUUUN!
Personally I will be leaving t-blowbile when my contract is up in July. Everyone else should too. Terrible updates,even worse service.
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GS3 for T-Mobile will probably be dual core. It isn't really that impressive, I suggest a GS2
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Holy crap!!! School must be close to over. You re-enable your acct?
Yes
Latest ICS is still a pain though .
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GS3 for T-Mobile will probably be dual core. It isn't really that impressive, I suggest a GS2
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Why, you don't like him or something? GSII was, and continues to be, the ****ing definition of let down. 480x800 on a 4.5" screen, when I'm a little disappointed with that resolution on a 4" screen? No thank you. If GS3, with its rumored 4.7" screen, ends up being pentile, I'm done with Samsung for at least 2 years, probably longer.
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It probably will the Galaxy Nexus has a 720p Superamoled pentile display.....samsung makes the screens 99% chance of pentile on GS3.......
I have the gs2 the updates sucks, (oh there aren't any) and the phone could be better. If the gs3 that goes to T-Mobile is garbage, as in it has a totally different processor than every other gs2 then I'm leaving T-Mobile and going some where else.
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Engadget has had some posts that indicate the SGS 3 is going to have Sammy's latest Erynox quad core. I'm wondering if it's going to be good enough to finally be the device that has me leaving my Vibrant when I'm eligible for another upgrade.
My main concerns are:
Developer backing
Storage (if not a lot on the phone, it has to have an SD)
Removable battery to get out of bootloops
Wait...you mean I was totally right and Samsung abandoned the gs2 just like I said they would and everyone that rushed to get one is all sad about it? no. way. Seriously #neveragain means #neveragain. Buy the gs3 and watch the same damn thing happen again.
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I'm much less worried about vendor support than I am dev support. Sammy forgot about the Vibrant a LONG time ago. And Sammy's not the only one that does it. In all honesty this is part of the reason that I am going to consider a Windows phone when it's time for a new one.
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Engadget has had some posts that indicate the SGS 3 is going to have Sammy's latest Erynox quad core. I'm wondering if it's going to be good enough to finally be the device that has me leaving my Vibrant when I'm eligible for another upgrade.
My main concerns are:
Developer backing
Storage (if not a lot on the phone, it has to have an SD)
Removable battery to get out of bootloops
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Just read on tmonews that the US variants of SG3 could come with Snapdragon S4 processor instead of Exynos. If true, it will really put a damper on the SG3 party.
i guess when samsung says "flagship", means they'll abandon ship in a year or so.
TMO just aquired 20+ spectrums (i think) from the AT&T deal so the data speeds and signal should be boosted in the next couple of months. then ultimately get LTE in 2013.
i'm sticking with Tmo cuz i need wifi calling and my old grandfathered myfave "real unlimited" plan
Well, I bought my Vibrant on release day (July 2010). I decided to go for the HTC One S and ordered 3 of it yesterday to replcace my vibrant and 2 Iphones in my family. Got a great deal from loyalty ($200 for 3 phones) and $10 per month off my plan.
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Just read on tmonews that the US variants of SG3 could come with Snapdragon S4 processor instead of Exynos. If true, it will really put a damper on the SG3 party.
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Told ya!!!!
What are your guy's thoughts on a 4.7 4.8 inch screen, but no physical buttons?
What the hell is so bad about physical buttons and having the full 4.8" of beautiful screen? I've used Ios devices, and not having a back button drives me nuts!
I don't see anything coming up with a nice big hd screen, capacitive buttons, removable Batt/SD card...
Seems like every rumored phone is missing something...That and the thin factor. Seriously, look at the iphone, it's a brick, people love it...what's the fascination with thin ass phones that feel cheap andcan't hold a battery worth a ****?
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What are your guy's thoughts on a 4.7 4.8 inch screen, but no physical buttons?
What the hell is so bad about physical buttons and having the full 4.8" of beautiful screen? I've used Ios devices, and not having a back button drives me nuts!
I don't see anything coming up with a nice big hd screen, capacitive buttons, removable Batt/SD card...
Seems like every rumored phone is missing something...That and the thin factor. Seriously, look at the iphone, it's a brick, people love it...what's the fascination with thin ass phones that feel cheap andcan't hold a battery worth a ****?
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You just get used to it.
When I had the G1 the missing camera button drove me nuts!!!! But its okay
Like my note I thought it was gonna be top big with a 5.3in screen but its small enough!
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Well, I bought my Vibrant on release day (July 2010). I decided to go for the HTC One S and ordered 3 of it yesterday to replcace my vibrant and 2 Iphones in my family. Got a great deal from loyalty ($200 for 3 phones) and $10 per month off my plan.
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$200 each, or total? I'm thinking about pushing for some loyalty love for a reduced One S, and then just selling it still sealed. I REALLY dislike the non-removable battery, and not really a fan of only cloud storage, but can live with it if necessary. I was kind of thinking maybe finagle 2 Galaxy S Blazes for free, since that phone is as close as it gets to an upgraded Vibrant, and selling one... still not sure though. Any ideas?
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$200 each, or total? I'm thinking about pushing for some loyalty love for a reduced One S, and then just selling it still sealed. I REALLY dislike the non-removable battery, and not really a fan of only cloud storage, but can live with it if necessary. I was kind of thinking maybe finagle 2 Galaxy S Blazes for free, since that phone is as close as it gets to an upgraded Vibrant, and selling one... still not sure though. Any ideas?
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$200 total for 3 phones.