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6kb/sec? thats slower than dialup!! I a cancelling my G1 order! Lets protest this!
This is from T-Mobile:
TMobile: If your total data usage in any billing cycle is more than 1GB, your data throughput for the remainder of that cycle may be reduced to 50 kbps or less. Your data session, plan, or service may be suspended, terminated, or restricted for significant roaming or if you use your service in a way that interferes with our network or ability to provide quality service to other users
It 1GB not 10GB
it is not 1gb im pretty sure t-mobile already established this
Welcome to last month. Tmobile announced at first it would be 1GB cap, but quickly changed that. But if you want to protest over something that isnt even true, go right ahead.
ok, T-Mobile didnt take it back but rephrased the sentence.
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T-Mobile Removes 1GB 3G Data Cap for G1 Android Phone
T-Mobile's just rolled back on their 1GB usage cap on their 3G plans for upcoming G1 Android customers, instead going to a hold-up-while-we-figure-this-out route. The statement they give now states that they can reduce throughput for "a small fraction" of users who are using too much data, but exact terms and limits are still being reviewed before they're finalized. Statement after the jump.
Our goal, when the T-Mobile G1 becomes available in October, is to provide affordable, high-speed data service allowing customers to experience the full data capabilities of the device and our 3G network. At the same time, we have a responsibility to provide the best network experience for all of our customers so we reserve the right to temporarily reduce data throughput for a small fraction of our customers who have excessive or disproportionate usage that interferes with our network performance or our ability to provide quality service to all of our customers.
We removed the 1GB soft limit from our policy statement, and we are confident that T-Mobile G1 customers will enjoy the high speed of data access over our 3G network. The specific terms for our new data plans are still being reviewed and once they are final we will be certain to share this broadly with current customers and potential new customers.
he jus wanted to be cool but ppl tryin to be cool never succeed
brooklynite said:
6kb/sec? thats slower than dialup!! I a cancelling my G1 order! Lets protest this!
This is from T-Mobile:
TMobile: If your total data usage in any billing cycle is more than 1GB, your data throughput for the remainder of that cycle may be reduced to 50 kbps or less. Your data session, plan, or service may be suspended, terminated, or restricted for significant roaming or if you use your service in a way that interferes with our network or ability to provide quality service to other users
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Please cancel your order. I'm sure there's a Motorola with your name on it somewhere.
This is so retarded...people have had the phone for 2 or 3 days and is amazing all the nonsense crap they talk.
Dude get brand new Iphone that after 2 or 3 year in the market,finally is 3G (I'm kidding)Leave us alone cause we want to enjoy our G1.
For a 1st generation release is working pretty well.
brooklynite said:
ok, T-Mobile didnt take it back but rephrased the sentence.
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T-Mobile Removes 1GB 3G Data Cap for G1 Android Phone
T-Mobile's just rolled back on their 1GB usage cap on their 3G plans for upcoming G1 Android customers, instead going to a hold-up-while-we-figure-this-out route. The statement they give now states that they can reduce throughput for "a small fraction" of users who are using too much data, but exact terms and limits are still being reviewed before they're finalized. Statement after the jump.
Our goal, when the T-Mobile G1 becomes available in October, is to provide affordable, high-speed data service allowing customers to experience the full data capabilities of the device and our 3G network. At the same time, we have a responsibility to provide the best network experience for all of our customers so we reserve the right to temporarily reduce data throughput for a small fraction of our customers who have excessive or disproportionate usage that interferes with our network performance or our ability to provide quality service to all of our customers.
We removed the 1GB soft limit from our policy statement, and we are confident that T-Mobile G1 customers will enjoy the high speed of data access over our 3G networky. The specific terms for our new data plans are still being reviewed and once they are final we will be certain to share this broadly with current customers and potential new customers.
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Yeah so if your burning throught 15GB a month dowloading torrents on your phone then they will cut you back but the average user, even power users will never have an issues. Your arguement is lame.
Guys, EASY! I am a noob in this forum!
Sorry all you G1 lovers! I did not mean to offend G1 or Andriod, I am just pissed at T-Mobile being a communist limiting access. The internet on the Wing sucks as the phone is always running out of memory all the time (besides being as slow as dial-up) so I hope it gets a bit better on the G1.
For most of us who are not tethering to download torrents or doing other outrageous things on 3g, it doesn't matter. Their current wording seems to indicate they'll chop the users off the top until the network speeds back up. I will not be using an outrageous amount of bandwidth. But I do want 1 meg a second when I get on to do something. I like the current wording, don't let others screw my network.
brooklynite said:
Guys, EASY! I am a noob in this forum!
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okay guys, both sides, calm down. i can see both side's arguments. but yes brooklynite, your first impression with tmobile is valid. but all other carriers do this too, they just don't come out and say it out right.
windows mobile transport layer stack has a transfer limit. so practically speaking, there are lots of things you can't do on your phone or impractical, when compared to your laptop (say using a USB 3G card). hence the most likely thing you do on yoru phone is email, web, chat, which are small data, and music and video, which are bigger but they will be most likely formated for the mobile device so smaller in size compared to the desktop version. so in conclusion, it is really really hard to top that 1GB data each month. you don't need to worry about a thing if you use your phone in a regular sense
now speaking on be half of the other side, "welcome to xda dev", they all mean it, but words came out wrong
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okay guys, both sides, calm down. i can see both side's arguments. but yes brooklynite, your first impression with tmobile is valid. but all other carriers do this too, they just don't come out and say it out right.
windows mobile transport layer stack has a transfer limit. so practically speaking, there are lots of things you can't do on your phone or impractical, when compared to your laptop (say using a USB 3G card). hence the most likely thing you do on yoru phone is email, web, chat, which are small data, and music and video, which are bigger but they will be most likely formated for the mobile device so smaller in size compared to the desktop version. so in conclusion, it is really really hard to top that 1GB data each month. you don't need to worry about a thing if you use your phone in a regular sense
now speaking on be half of the other side, "welcome to xda dev", they all mean it, but words came out wrong
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The 1GB cap had to be removed because the G1 does not to mobile web browsing so video and data is not the mobile version ie, not smaller webpages or formatted for mobile video.
Statement from t-mobile site:
Real Web BrowsingThe T-Mobile G1™ was built to browse the Web. Using the touch screen, QWERTY keyboard and trackball you can access your favorite pages and browse like you were sitting at your computer.
Access in one touch
Real Web, not mobile version
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In other words if you tend to watch youtube on your phone a lot you could reach that 1Gb limit. Not to mention if you received a lot of emails a day with attachments for work purposes, for example I receive about 10MB average a day in attachments varying from PDF files for manuals, electronic drawings etc, Images, in a month you could get 250MB there. Also you have music downloads available through amazon to your phone, averaging at 5MB per file. So 1 GB is quite easy to reach and after that with their previous statement you would be limited to 50K/s till your next cycle. That would be very frustrating.
If adobe flash starts working (I read something about a video player called Video Gadgetz which would enable that) then I'll start watching hulu from my phone when im stuck at airports at one of my many business trips. WiFi is great but you have to pay for it. So I'm hoping they leave it true unlimited but do punish any user who over does it (ie someone actually stupid enough to torrent...it's opensource..it will happen unfortunetly).
By the way..anyopne find any more info on adobe flash compatibility in browsing. I would be so psyched if I could watch hulu on my G1
And I just noticed..i have been a member for almost 2 years..use this forum for all my phone and updates and flashing..and just had my first post... unbelievable..so many forumes..hard to keep track
I never hit 1GB while I was tethering with my Wing. I doubt I have hit 1gb on my G1 as of yet. I doubt I will go above 10GB unless I thether and I surely won't be downloading things like I did on the wing.
BTW you think tmobile is bad. Read the fine print on any of verizons PocketPC or Internet cards that have EVDO... After 5GB they have the right to cancel your contract and charge you the early termination fee. How is that for "being a communist" You do realize these are businesses trying to make money. Not governments trying to keep their people alive.
I use a usb modem on my laptop with a 5GB soft cap. I've hit it once. I don't watch movies online anymore!
When using my Axim online I paid attention to website size and noticed it was 250-400 Kb per click. That adds up fast. Plus watching youtube or downloading music. 1 GB comes up pretty quick.
Although listening to streaming radio doesn't use as much bandwidth as I thought it would. 35 ish for talk radio and 60-70 kb/sec (kilobits not bytes) for music. I used about 28 Mb over a couple of hours of talk radio.
Xbox live also didn't use as much as I thought. Web browsing used more bandwidth than live.
Enough on "picking" on him.
Remember we were all where he is now.
He made a mistake.
Although, flaming him is pissing me off. So stop.
FYI:
Comcast caps their home service to their clients. So if Comcast can Cell providers will as well.
Which carrier do you and have with your Galaxy Tab? I will have Verizon first and then next year the one with T-Mobile.
Wow, can't believe that T-Mobile is winning?!
I'm waiting for At&t to roll out their Quad band Galaxy Tab.
qipengart said:
Wow, can't believe that T-Mobile is winning?!
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It was launched first and has many hacks already in place.
T-Mobile : Launch Nov 10
Verizon: Launch Nov 11
Sprint: Launch Nov 14
At&t: Launch Nov 21 (rumor)
They all suck but T-Mobile suck less than the others.
Swisscom. My G1 is on Orange Switzerland, but recently, their 3G network has become painfully slow. I might actually let my Orange contract run out, because I'm noticing that I use the Tab as a phone more and more.
vodafone CZ
T-Mobile hardest to find here in US.
T-Mobile has the 2 year contract price. Also, their plans prices make the most sense. 39.99 for 5GB without overage charge is reasonable.
Why more AT&T than verizon ones?
Bell Canada. 850/1900 GSM, no carrier branding on the device, and only one carrier application (Bell PVR remote). Same carbon fauxber battery cover that AT&T and Rogers are using (once again, sans the carrier branding).
$649, but comes with a $50 credit on your second bill. And believe it or not, they are offering a better data plan than any of the US carriers, for a change. $20/500Mb that scales to $35/5Gb if you go over the 500, no contract.
For another $10, they offer Bell Mobile TV (they're a cable company too), that gives you (I think) unlimited mobile TV over 3G that doesn't use your data allowance.
Yeah, the data plans in the US are weak, but.. thank the Lord a lot of us actually have smartphones that are on "unlimited" plans to use and tether them to the Tab when we run out of Gee Bee's for the Tab.
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Why more AT&T than verizon ones?
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Probably has to do with it being SIM-less CDMA which is nearly impossible to try to get voice working and they do stupid crap like making Bing the default search on an Android phone.
I'm on Sprint and tried the Sprint Samsung Tab and decided it's a no go for sure. The larger screen begs for HD video but unlike my Samsung Epic it doesn't have 4G and 3G buffers too much when playing YouTube HD. I'd like to try the same experience on T-Mobile HSDPA but the local store doesn't have one on display. In the end, will probably wait for the carriers to learn from their mistakes and release a Samsung Tab 2 with sOLED screen, voice added back in, 4G and even better battery life.
I'm in Europe in RO and i use Orange but they have only one offer for Galaxy Tab.
35 EUR/month that includes 15 Gb data traffic, 100 (or 200, i don't remember) SMS, a few MMS and ZERO minutes for calls.
You can make calls, but you have no minutes included.
So, i had to use a standard phone ab. and a data extra-option.
The Tab i got-it full price.
I have the Sprint version, but I'm considering returning it and grabbing the T-mobile one. For the same price, I can get 16Gb of internal memory instead of just 2Gb. Additionally, maybe I can get the NOVA demo to work on T-mobiles version. I'll continue to use the new Tab with my Verizon MiFi which still has an unlimited data plan. I guess the internal memory is the difference maker if one will use the Tab with a portable hotspot instead of using the devices carrier specific internal card.
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I have the Sprint version, but I'm considering returning it and grabbing the T-mobile one. For the same price, I can get 16Gb of internal memory instead of just 2Gb. Additionally, maybe I can get the NOVA demo to work on T-mobiles version. I'll continue to use the new Tab with my Verizon MiFi which still has an unlimited data plan. I guess the internal memory is the difference maker if one will use the Tab with a portable hotspot instead of using the devices carrier specific internal card.
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I'm like you. Got the Sprint version on Sunday. The only one the Sprint store sold all day!. I was there at closing. Love this little thing but think about switching to AT&T. Same reason as Sprint for some reason only gave us 2gb of internal memory but a 16gb microSD card. I can get my own microSD card! The 16 gb internal is must have.
Yeah... same problem with the Fascinate it seems with its 2GB of memory internal...
Im happy to have VZW reliability and a Hot Swappable MSD card slot! the 2 GB internal is fine for me. The TMO version is nice with the 16GB on internal memory but the service is horrible in my area (long island, ny)
FWIW:
T-Mobile is what I went with. I was pleasantly surprised when the T-Mobile connection I'm getting at work, wiped the floor with my Droid X's Verizon connection, in a side by side comparison. (Denver metro)
On some of my best Droid X runs, the T-Mobile was roughly 5-6 times faster. This is inside a building that was build in the early to mid 30's.
Edit: This was using speedtest.net since it was handy. The latency was typically 80ms on T-Mobile -vs- the 400ms+ on Verizon... in addition to the vastly superior download speeds. Upload, was roughly a draw, typically in the 600kbps range. Download through T-Mobile was in the 2800 range -vs- low 200's on Verizon. Again, this is just at work where I use the tab often and haven't been home to test it there yet. Also of note, I walk outside the building, and my Verizon service is excellent too, but still behind.
FWIW, the T-Mobile US Tab is the only one of the American Tabs which supports WiFi on the 5GHz bands.
hello everyone, this is my first post and i really like what i see. im looking into this tap thing and will like it to make call too. now i see read a few way, any of this way will work on the sprint version? and any pros and con will be apreciated too.
The CDMA versions of the GT (Sprint/Verizon) are going to be extremely more difficult to hack to make legitimate phone calls than the GSM versions (Tmobile/ATT). This is because with GSM, you can flash the EMEA FW (and other tricks) to get the phone capability and then simply pop in a SIM that has an active phone account.
With CDMA, there is no SIM. All account information is linked by the device's hardware IMEI ID and is controlled by the provider.
Also, CDMA is not as widely used abroad (if at all) as GSM.
That's my understanding of the situation. If I am wrong, someone please correct me so I'll stop spreading lies.
thanks for the response, and will be possible to use the other method (voip) one ?
I currently use voip on my GT with my Ring Central account. I am testing various sip clients right now so I can't tell you which I prefer yet.
I can make very clear calls using wifi as well as 3g so far.
Any of the the options your looking into free?
Would love to hear the outcome of your testing ;-)
The clients are free but my voip service (Ring Central) has a monthly charge. I know there are free voip providers out there but I haven't tried any nor do I know their details
I'm on Sprint but the best bet right now is the T-Mobile Samsung Tab for its larger 16GB internal flash, black back instead of white, better chance of getting voice to work partly due to being SIM based and better priced plans ($40 for 5GB data >5GB is throttled so no overrages or $59 non-contract Even More Plus with 500 talk minutes, unlimited web and unlimited text that a T-Mobile employee claims to work with non-contract $600 Tab provisioned for Android device). It appears to support HSDPA so hopefully speeds are better than standard 3G on Sprint and Verizon.
Speed might be better on TMO but the Sprint GT I have has the same 16gb sdcard and 2gb internal memory.
I think you miss the point.
As far as I am aware, the TMo Tab has 16gb of internal memory whereas the Sprint has only 2gb *before* you take any cards in the MicroSD slot into consideration.
Regards,
Dave
Yeah, I noticed the AT&T model will have 2gb+16gb internal plus external microsd. I have to admit, im a little pissed with the cdma version
foxmeister said:
I think you miss the point.
As far as I am aware, the TMo Tab has 16gb of internal memory whereas the Sprint has only 2gb *before* you take any cards in the MicroSD slot into consideration.
Regards,
Dave
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For some people that doesn't matter. It still gives you a 16 gb sd card which I'm fine with. Apps don't take up much space on the internal 2gb anyway so no big deal. I have a sprint Epic and loads of apps including full copilot and aura gps apps and I'm just fine.
Plus in my case i have a Mac and it's hit or miss having the USB storage mode work on the Epic so I like being able to use a micro sd card reader with all that storage to move stuff back and forth. Can't do that with the Tmo version if it's not mounting properly.
No need to rush out and pay full price now. I'll wait till next year when they flood craigslist in the 400 price range after folks get tired. Got my Epic for $350 on CL brand new in box, clean esn no contract. No rush for me.
It's true I am not really "missing" anything with the lower internal memory of the Sprint version since we can use the external microsd, it's just the fact that other carriers have it and Sprint doesnt. It would be nice to have, but not a deal breaker I guess.
So I've been using my Tab connected to my ad-hoc wireless router generated by my Tilt 2. My Tilt 2 has an unlimited data plan, and I've been using it like that with my netbook for most of this year now. The Tab works fine like that, but it's still a hassle to set it up every time.
So I've been contemplating the practicality of a direct connection to the 3G network, but the biggest plan is 250 MB for around $15 USD.
My thoughts are this: Just how fast can someone blow through 250 MB, surfing and chatting on instant messengers? Web sites are getting more and more graphics-intensive, and some of them even auto-update icons on the pages.
Give me your opinions on this please. I especially am interested in what you AT&T people think, but I'm sure that anyone on this site can debate the points of direct vs. to-the-phone data sources for the Tab.
Please correct me if I am wrong, but you said that the biggest plan is 250mb for $15 a month. AT&T also offers a 2gb plan for $25 a month, however. I would be able to eat up 250mb pretty fast because I travel a lot and watch youtube, so if I could afford two data plans, I would opt for the higher data allowance.
If I were in the same situation as you, I would just flash a European firmware onto the tab (there are some great guides on this forum) and pop the sim card back and forth whenever needed. This might not be as practical for you if you have to take the battery out of the phone to get to the sim card (I have an iPhone and can hot-swap sims) but at least this way, you aren't wasting your Tilt 2's battery.
Hmm I dunno if 2GB is even enough! I wish I had a handy program to track my data useage regardless of whether I was on wifi or not, that way I could get a beetter sense of how much I use in a month's time, or even a week or a day.
Why not just use your Tilt 2 sim in the Tab exclusively? You'd need to flash a few FWs to enable voice functionality, but the you'd get an all-in-one device with unlimited data
So with all the U.S. Carriers either severely limiting or capping Data on their phone/tablet plans(only a matter time for sprint too) why all the focus on cloud based services like google music/ iCloud etc. I would think that these 2 are in direct opposition to each other. I am currently on Sprint and enjoying the unlimited data but not holding breath on it staying around forever. I use Google Music and Netflix/Hulu+ as well as Pandora. I have a premium account where possible and have used others in the past like rhapsody and spotify. What incentive do I have to keep using these services if my data is limited. I see very little point to using them if I have to "triage" my data usage based upon priority. For reference I typically use 4-6gb a month on my sprint account and no I don't tether, I have a Time Warner Cable connection at home rated at 30+MBPS.
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The thing is, that technologies like HSPA+ and EV-DO can't handle the amount of data that is pushed through them, that's why Verizon and AT&T are going to LTE, because it CAN handle the amount of data they push now, and more, which is why they give you such high speeds, because it can handle it.
As time progresses, and carriers realize that Unlimited data can easily be offered, they'll switch back to that.
I don't know. I would like to think that way but corporations have repeatedly shown that they will do anything they can to get us to pay more. I don't see them offering unlimited data regardless of the network's capability. It frustrates me to no end to try to get someone on an android phone to use any of the cloud services from drop box to Google docs and music and then realizing they are not on a data plan that allows for what is in my opinion one of the major benefits of the platform.
I own a Nexus S and I think I am one of the very few I have seen or talked to that has no problem with only 16gb storage, the cloud negates the need for a massive memory card but the data limitations on carriers trump that.
I have no illusions of my Sprint plan staying unlimited much longer either and once it is gone I am gonna to adjust my android experience to accomodate and use it in a way that I am forced to, not the way I prefer.
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I don't know. I would like to think that way but corporations have repeatedly shown that they will do anything they can to get us to pay more. I don't see them offering unlimited data regardless of the network's capability. It frustrates me to no end to try to get someone on an android phone to use any of the cloud services from drop box to Google docs and music and then realizing they are not on a data plan that allows for what is in my opinion one of the major benefits of the platform.
I own a Nexus S and I think I am one of the very few I have seen or talked to that has no problem with only 16gb storage, the cloud negates the need for a massive memory card but the data limitations on carriers trump that.
I have no illusions of my Sprint plan staying unlimited much longer either and once it is gone I am gonna to adjust my android experience to accomodate and use it in a way that I am forced to, not the way I prefer.
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Just give it time. Eventually the FCC will sue the carriers. That will be a fun day.
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The thing is, that technologies like HSPA+ and EV-DO can't handle the amount of data that is pushed through them, that's why Verizon and AT&T are going to LTE, because it CAN handle the amount of data they push now, and more, which is why they give you such high speeds, because it can handle it.
As time progresses, and carriers realize that Unlimited data can easily be offered, they'll switch back to that.
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I disagree. You'll see that Verizon and ATT's data tiers for 3G and 4G phones are the exact same, same price for the same amount of data. However, Verizon is running a limited time promo where 4G customers get twice the data for the same price, eg. $30 for 2gb turns to 4gb. They launched this promo right after ATT launched their first LTE smartphone last month, certainly not a coincidence. Thank goodness for competition!
The main reason is the carriers realize how hooked we are to our smartphones, many of us couldn't go back to a feature-phone and want to take advantage of our addiction by having us pay more and more to keep using them.
Sadly, I think unlimited plans will never come back. One reason tiers have been implemented is because of exploding data demand and capacity and strain issues. But really, the main reason is just pure greed. Why do you think after you pass your monthly allowance, ATT and Verizon charge you for each extra gig instead of throttling your speed like T-Mobile? They want to get you hooked on bandwidth intensive applications like NetFlix and after you go over your allowance, they hope you'll keep ponying up more cash for data overages to continue using your phone.
There was even a public interview recently with a Verizon executive stating he wishes for as many customers as possible to move up from the $30/2gb plan to their higher $50/5gb and $80/10gb plans just to gain increasingly more revenue each quarter.