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Why the heck can't we get it all in one device?! The Verizon SGS is by far the best looking of all versions of the SGS. The iPhonish chrome lining of the SGS is painted black on the Verizon SGS = a better look. The Verizon rear is also changed with an all black dotted design, rather than that awful blue dotted design. The Verizon also has a flash and even though there is no front facing camera, I'm totally good with that because I'm not hooked on Apple. I mean lets be real here; folks didn't give a dang about front facing cameras in the U.S. until Apple put one on the iPhone. FFC's have been around for years in Europe (HTC HD and many others) and we didn't miss them then.
Okay so what's wrong with the Verizon SGS? Well it only comes with 2GB of storage memory rather than 16GB like the ugly ATT SGS. Why oh why could they not give it to us all in one package.......

A classic saying says this:
Dont put all your eggs in one basket.

just add a 32gb SD card and you have your all in one device? galaxy is limited to 1.8gb of local apps storage anyway. Froyo will let you have it on SD I think.

rodh257 said:
just add a 32gb SD card and you have your all in one device? galaxy is limited to 1.8gb of local apps storage anyway. Froyo will let you have it on SD I think.
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I was hoping to rid myself of my iPod Classic (16GB Internal + 32GB Micro SD Card). Large music and audiobook collection......

The Galaxy S has way more internal memory enabling it to have 1.8GB for apps and stuff. The Fascinate has far less internal memory... 2GB total. All to make room for a flash. The Epic also suffers from the same fate. The Captivate and Vibrant will have the 16GB touted with the intl. version

I had not read that the Fascinate had an LED flash.
Sold. I have been on the fence about the HTC Incredible (I do like the Sense UI overlay) vs. the Galaxy S.
I am not concerned about the internal storage - I only have about 15gb of music, so a 32gb card provides me pretty substantial overhead. It irked me that there was no flash on the Galaxy S, though, as it seems like such an easy and useful feature to add.
I agree that front-facing cameras do not excite me. I don't take self-portraits and have zero interest in on-the-fly face-to-face phone chats.

Registered just to respond to this thread. Completely agree with OP. I'm currently with Verizon, their version of SGS looks better, but hate that it only has 2gb on board. You can never go wrong with having more memory. Fast 32gb cards are what an extra $100, plus with 16gb already on board, the Tmo version has potentially more total storage by adding a 32gb card to it. Even if I only have 18gb of music now, how can I know what I'll have in the future? Video podcasts? Movies? Recorded video and pictures? Having the ability to swap memory cards is an awesome feature, but the less I have to do it the better.
Considering jumping to Tmo and the uglier design for the added memory and HSDPA. Torn.

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I had not read that the Fascinate had an LED flash.
Sold. I have been on the fence about the HTC Incredible (I do like the Sense UI overlay) vs. the Galaxy S.
I am not concerned about the internal storage - I only have about 15gb of music, so a 32gb card provides me pretty substantial overhead. It irked me that there was no flash on the Galaxy S, though, as it seems like such an easy and useful feature to add.
I agree that front-facing cameras do not excite me. I don't take self-portraits and have zero interest in on-the-fly face-to-face phone chats.
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Here's the gallery of Verizon SGS images that had me sold as far as the looks go and you can see the flash in a few of the images: http://www.engadget.com/photos/samsung-verizon-fascinate/
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Registered just to respond to this thread. Completely agree with OP. I'm currently with Verizon, their version of SGS looks better, but hate that it only has 2gb on board. You can never go wrong with having more memory. Fast 32gb cards are what an extra $100, plus with 16gb already on board, the Tmo version has potentially more total storage by adding a 32gb card to it. Even if I only have 18gb of music now, how can I know what I'll have in the future? Video podcasts? Movies? Recorded video and pictures? Having the ability to swap memory cards is an awesome feature, but the less I have to do it the better.
Considering jumping to Tmo and the uglier design for the added memory and HSDPA. Torn.
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I left T-Mobile after trying the HD2 for a couple of months and 3G wasn't available enough in some areas for me. Verizon seems to be the best network for me in my area and travels, so I'd like to go back to them (currently on Sprint with the Evo). The look of the Evo is very nice and so leaving it for an SGS version that just doesn't appeal to my eyes the way the Evo does, was on my list of cons. But Verizon's SGS can take care of that.
I may just have to end up holding onto the iPod to store all of my music and audiobooks. And then just sync playlists of my most wanted music/audiobooks to my smartphone. Guess I'm still dreaming of an all in one superphone (128GB storage, Canon quality camera, etc).........

The HD2 has terrible 3G reception

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The HD2 has terrible 3G reception
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heygrl, I noticed your speed test results in your sig. Was that in the LA area? If so, what's your overall coverage/speed like in socal?

Hm, I had seen the blue back in some review photos, but my (Asian?) Galaxy S is all black, and IMO has better design and finish than the EVO.
I walked into Best Buy ready to buy the EVO, but when compared to my iPhone 3Gs, it seemed poorly made. On the other hand, after ordering the Galaxy S sight unseen from Ebay, I am reasonably happy with its built.
I was planning to dump AT&T and get T-Mobile, but data is a real issue on T-Mobile in LA.
On AT&T, I see "H" and just measured 1817kbps down, 1088 up.
If I insert my new T-Mobile SIM card, I see "E" and barely get 60-70 kbps down, and low 100s up.
What APN settings are people using for T-Mobile?

AT&T 3g and Tmobile 3G are on different frequencies. You have one compatible with AT&T. You'll only see edge speeds on TMobile with that phone.
Also... I don't understand the complaints about the look of the Captivate vs the original SGS. I prefer the Captivate. I think the SGS looks too much like an iPhone.

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Hm, I had seen the blue back in some review photos, but my (Asian?) Galaxy S is all black, and IMO has better design and finish than the EVO.
I walked into Best Buy ready to buy the EVO, but when compared to my iPhone 3Gs, it seemed poorly made. On the other hand, after ordering the Galaxy S sight unseen from Ebay, I am reasonably happy with its built.
I was planning to dump AT&T and get T-Mobile, but data is a real issue on T-Mobile in LA.
On AT&T, I see "H" and just measured 1817kbps down, 1088 up.
If I insert my new T-Mobile SIM card, I see "E" and barely get 60-70 kbps down, and low 100s up.
What APN settings are people using for T-Mobile?
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European Galaxy S doesn't have 1700 band. It doesn't work on Tmobile's 3g network. It will only work with AT&T's 3g network. You need to buy the Vibrant if you want to see Tmo's HDSPA speeds.
PC magazine did a review earlier this year of all carriers' data speeds, for LA, they gave Tmo the highest score (combined raw speed with reliability).

You'll have to get the Vibrant if you want T-Mobile 3G

Can I use the Verizon version in Europe or it is only for US??

that was one of the reasons i returned my HD2 - side by side with my MyTouch 3G, the HD2 kept jumping from 3G > EDGE and back to 3G, while the MT3G showed strong and steady 3G signal (not reading the bars, but going into that #*#*4636*#*# access and reading the signal strength
figured it had same issues as the nexus one, weak antenna or radio chip

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heygrl, I noticed your speed test results in your sig. Was that in the LA area? If so, what's your overall coverage/speed like in socal?
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I'm not in Los Angeles, but I hear favorable things.. still some 3G coverage holes to be dealt with this year
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that was one of the reasons i returned my HD2 - side by side with my MyTouch 3G, the HD2 kept jumping from 3G > EDGE and back to 3G, while the MT3G showed strong and steady 3G signal (not reading the bars, but going into that #*#*4636*#*# access and reading the signal strength
figured it had same issues as the nexus one, weak antenna or radio chip
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Has to be, because it was pathetic to see this phone drop 3G constantly. Sure, the 3G signal *was* weak but the only phone to drop out (when held of course) was the HD2.

Sprint Tab Prices

Alright, my local news relesed tthese prices for the Galaxy Tab:
$400- Galaxy Tab
$30 per month- 2GB model
$60 per month- 5GB model
AND IT HAS A FRONT FACING CAMERA!!!
Sent from my HTC Espresso, that is apperantly a failing device using the XDA App

I was previously excited about the Sprint Samsung Tab as it would add ebook capability with the larger display to the Epic 4G's extensive repertoire but they had to ruin the device by removing the voice capability. Furthermore, data is limited to 3G only (no 4G) and the data plans, even with unlimited texting, at $29.99 for 2GB and $59.99 for 5GB are not competitive with the +$10 more $69.99 Everything Data 450 plan which includes more such as unlimited 3G data, mobile-to-any mobile and 450 landline minutes. Instead of carrying just one device with bluetooth headset you now have to carry two due to Sprint's bad decision to castrate the voice feature. What was once a gotta have device is now a maybe.

If I could add it on my family plan and it had 4G, I would line up for it.

I would have to agree the phone thing does kinda suck, but think about it.. youre going to carry around a 7" tab holding it to your face to make a phone call? I mean at that point, geta headset that has a built in mic and use skype or some other phone app and just use 3g or wi-fi. As far as txting... GOOGLE VOICE, problem solved free txting.

As mentioned previously I would use a bluetooth headset with the Samsung Tab, its speakerphone or even hold the thing up to my head because I don't care what others think. Sprint had the opportunity to seize the opportunity to be different from the other carriers and to substantially increase subscriber count but they had to castrate a critical voice feature and got greedy with the tiered data plans. They were counting on repeating the success of Evo and Epic with the Tab but it's going to fizzle. I predict most will either opt to hold out for price drop on WIFI-only Tab without contract, go Ipad or go with other cost competitive options.

Basically they didn't want this to be a big phone, its a TABLET, say it with me TABLET PC not an over sized smart phone.

Brain dead thinking. In the end it's driven by customer demand and not by what Sprint think is best. Plus, if they had left voice capability in, those that want it will have it and those that don't can ignore it.

Well seeing as how every US carrier is removing voice from the GT its not really fair to bash Sprint
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A possibility for voice is to get an unlocked GSM version of the Samsung Tab and use with T-Mobile SIM and their $59 unlimited data+text plus 500 talk plan.

My first post with a question in 2 years!
To start - xda really kicks butt and I can't thank the senior guys enough for all their help and knowledge!!
IMHO The US carriers are taking the voice capability away to make you pay more by having to have 2 devices with 2 plans. Money, that's all there is to it.
My question - Can I take the AT&T SIM card out of my HTC Aria and put it in an unlocked SGT and have it work as a phone? Are there any drawbacks to this? I have a grandfathered plan with unlimited data and I'd like to hot swap the SIM card between the two devices. Can AT&T find out that i'm doing this and turn my SIM card off?
Thanks guys
PS - Hope this is an appropriate place to put my question. I know how upset guys get when you put your questions in the wrong post.

i recon youre deep in tinsel hat territory
a more likely scenario would be sammys interest in selling as many devices as possible without relying on those ultracompetative us mobile providers
more than likely the market will be flooded with all sorts of versions globally in a few months and you will be able to buy unlocked versions accross all bands as well as castrated ones
sammy is definitely spreading its wings this year!

[Q] Which carrier did you or will you go when you get the Galaxy Tab?

Which carrier do you and have with your Galaxy Tab? I will have Verizon first and then next year the one with T-Mobile.

Wow, can't believe that T-Mobile is winning?!

I'm waiting for At&t to roll out their Quad band Galaxy Tab.

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Wow, can't believe that T-Mobile is winning?!
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It was launched first and has many hacks already in place.
T-Mobile : Launch Nov 10
Verizon: Launch Nov 11
Sprint: Launch Nov 14
At&t: Launch Nov 21 (rumor)

They all suck but T-Mobile suck less than the others.

Swisscom. My G1 is on Orange Switzerland, but recently, their 3G network has become painfully slow. I might actually let my Orange contract run out, because I'm noticing that I use the Tab as a phone more and more.

vodafone CZ

T-Mobile hardest to find here in US.

T-Mobile has the 2 year contract price. Also, their plans prices make the most sense. 39.99 for 5GB without overage charge is reasonable.

Why more AT&T than verizon ones?

Bell Canada. 850/1900 GSM, no carrier branding on the device, and only one carrier application (Bell PVR remote). Same carbon fauxber battery cover that AT&T and Rogers are using (once again, sans the carrier branding).
$649, but comes with a $50 credit on your second bill. And believe it or not, they are offering a better data plan than any of the US carriers, for a change. $20/500Mb that scales to $35/5Gb if you go over the 500, no contract.
For another $10, they offer Bell Mobile TV (they're a cable company too), that gives you (I think) unlimited mobile TV over 3G that doesn't use your data allowance.

Yeah, the data plans in the US are weak, but.. thank the Lord a lot of us actually have smartphones that are on "unlimited" plans to use and tether them to the Tab when we run out of Gee Bee's for the Tab.

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Why more AT&T than verizon ones?
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Probably has to do with it being SIM-less CDMA which is nearly impossible to try to get voice working and they do stupid crap like making Bing the default search on an Android phone.
I'm on Sprint and tried the Sprint Samsung Tab and decided it's a no go for sure. The larger screen begs for HD video but unlike my Samsung Epic it doesn't have 4G and 3G buffers too much when playing YouTube HD. I'd like to try the same experience on T-Mobile HSDPA but the local store doesn't have one on display. In the end, will probably wait for the carriers to learn from their mistakes and release a Samsung Tab 2 with sOLED screen, voice added back in, 4G and even better battery life.

I'm in Europe in RO and i use Orange but they have only one offer for Galaxy Tab.
35 EUR/month that includes 15 Gb data traffic, 100 (or 200, i don't remember) SMS, a few MMS and ZERO minutes for calls.
You can make calls, but you have no minutes included.
So, i had to use a standard phone ab. and a data extra-option.
The Tab i got-it full price.

I have the Sprint version, but I'm considering returning it and grabbing the T-mobile one. For the same price, I can get 16Gb of internal memory instead of just 2Gb. Additionally, maybe I can get the NOVA demo to work on T-mobiles version. I'll continue to use the new Tab with my Verizon MiFi which still has an unlimited data plan. I guess the internal memory is the difference maker if one will use the Tab with a portable hotspot instead of using the devices carrier specific internal card.

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I have the Sprint version, but I'm considering returning it and grabbing the T-mobile one. For the same price, I can get 16Gb of internal memory instead of just 2Gb. Additionally, maybe I can get the NOVA demo to work on T-mobiles version. I'll continue to use the new Tab with my Verizon MiFi which still has an unlimited data plan. I guess the internal memory is the difference maker if one will use the Tab with a portable hotspot instead of using the devices carrier specific internal card.
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I'm like you. Got the Sprint version on Sunday. The only one the Sprint store sold all day!. I was there at closing. Love this little thing but think about switching to AT&T. Same reason as Sprint for some reason only gave us 2gb of internal memory but a 16gb microSD card. I can get my own microSD card! The 16 gb internal is must have.

Yeah... same problem with the Fascinate it seems with its 2GB of memory internal...

Im happy to have VZW reliability and a Hot Swappable MSD card slot! the 2 GB internal is fine for me. The TMO version is nice with the 16GB on internal memory but the service is horrible in my area (long island, ny)

FWIW:
T-Mobile is what I went with. I was pleasantly surprised when the T-Mobile connection I'm getting at work, wiped the floor with my Droid X's Verizon connection, in a side by side comparison. (Denver metro)
On some of my best Droid X runs, the T-Mobile was roughly 5-6 times faster. This is inside a building that was build in the early to mid 30's.
Edit: This was using speedtest.net since it was handy. The latency was typically 80ms on T-Mobile -vs- the 400ms+ on Verizon... in addition to the vastly superior download speeds. Upload, was roughly a draw, typically in the 600kbps range. Download through T-Mobile was in the 2800 range -vs- low 200's on Verizon. Again, this is just at work where I use the tab often and haven't been home to test it there yet. Also of note, I walk outside the building, and my Verizon service is excellent too, but still behind.

FWIW, the T-Mobile US Tab is the only one of the American Tabs which supports WiFi on the 5GHz bands.

[Q] Data Usage / Plans

Am thinking about getting one of these and been reading as much as I can about it. However have a couple of questions that I have not found an answer to as of yet.
1. I know Android market requires service, however besides that can Wifi be used for just about everything else? Trying to determine which plan is best and if I can restrict to Wifi for all but using marketplace I think I can get by with 1GB or 2 GB plan.
2. I am leaning toward AT&T version since they have 16GB internal, thus providing open slot for additional memory expansion. Att only offers the 2GB as their best package (as far as I can see). For those with Att, are you finding this sufficient or exceeding it or coming close? I know usage is based on particular user, but curious if the 2GB max will hurt in the long run. Only reason considering Verizon since they have larger plans (and currently $100 cheaper).
Thx

The Android Market does not require you to be on carrier data. You can access the market via Wifi.
On #2, t-mobile has 16gb internal too, so make sure you take a look at it. Of you will mostly be on wifi, at home, the office etc, 2gb per month is *plenty*.

[Q] AT&T $50 Prepaid Unlimited - Smartphone Data Working Included??

Ok, so I found a bit of information about this data plan working with the Samsung Galaxy S II reaching HSPA+ speeds, however I would like to know if it is possible to get the data from this plan working on any other SMART PHONES.
A few things I am interested in is...
1. Has anyone got the data working on any other smartphone? What kind?
2. Does changing the APN settings work?
3. Do you have to initially register a basic phone?
4. Is it possible to modify the IMEI of a smart phone to represent a basic phone so that the data may work.
5. Does anyone have any good ideas to get this working?
If so we can all have Unlimited Talk, Text, and Web on a smart phone for $50.00 plus normal sales tax.
If anyone has or is capable of getting this working on any (or all) smart phones, then it would be mutually beneficial to everyone

I have the plan running on my Galaxy S II, it was kind of tough to get going, and until I turned on airplan mode and then turned it off again, was I able to connect to 3g and H+ instead of just edge. The AT&T store employees also had a hell of a time, getting it to work at first. I did pop the SIM into an unlocked Samsung Galaxy S, and it worked after I went too settings, wireless networks, and then selected GSM only. The only APN available is Cingular 410, which is the wap.cingular. I am getting full 4g service on both devices, so I'm happy.
Note the AT&T stores dont always have the $50 pre-paid sim card in the store because I believe you can only do this on "International phones" according to the guy who helped me (whatever that means, I'm sure they are wrong.) I did explain how the Galaxy S II was unlocked and that I had bought it in Europe, but they still didn't have the actual $50 dollar sim card, so instead they gave me a regular 4g sim card ($25 charge) and then used two $25 pre-paid data plan cards (actual cards like iTune gift cards.) As I said above, they had some issues getting the $50 dollar plan to work, but it eventually did using this method. If anyone is in NJ the store I used was in the Paramus Mall.
Hope this was decent first post.

$50 prepaid simcards lol I would never pay that much for a prepaid sim card ever. I bought both my phones: previous Rokr E6 and the current X1i and simcards from myworldphone.com. For the E6 my $15 T-mobile simcard cost me about $15 with credit and my [email protected] prepaid one cost me $8.50 non active. Now for the non active simcard I had active it and then put money on it(depending on the plan I wanted) but it beats paying $50 for simcard when you can buy one for $8.50 and then switch to the $50 unlimited plan. Now looking at the rate plan options it says: " 1Monthly Unlimited Talk, Text & Web plan requires an eligible device. Smartphone users must purchase a data package to use Data on this plan. Pay per use data is not available on Smartphones." I'm not sure what exactly eligible device really means but when I first bought my phone I had the option to switch to the unlimited plan, something funny I noticed was it says smartphone cannot use pay per use data, well it's available to me . I only use wifi for my internet because I use my laptop for browsing the internet and really only use the internet on my phone for updating Touch Weather but if I need to I can use the pay per use data which I rarely only do for MMS. I don't know if it's the type of prepaid simcard(National prepaid simcard) I'm using that allows me to get through this loop hole or not but if it is I'm not complaining . Just my .2cents

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I have the plan running on my Galaxy S II, it was kind of tough to get going, and until I turned on airplan mode and then turned it off again, was I able to connect to 3g and H+ instead of just edge. The AT&T store employees also had a hell of a time, getting it to work at first. I did pop the SIM into an unlocked Samsung Galaxy S, and it worked after I went too settings, wireless networks, and then selected GSM only. The only APN available is Cingular 410, which is the wap.cingular. I am getting full 4g service on both devices, so I'm happy.
Note the AT&T stores dont always have the $50 pre-paid sim card in the store because I believe you can only do this on "International phones" according to the guy who helped me (whatever that means, I'm sure they are wrong.) I did explain how the Galaxy S II was unlocked and that I had bought it in Europe, but they still didn't have the actual $50 dollar sim card, so instead they gave me a regular 4g sim card ($25 charge) and then used two $25 pre-paid data plan cards (actual cards like iTune gift cards.) As I said above, they had some issues getting the $50 dollar plan to work, but it eventually did using this method. If anyone is in NJ the store I used was in the Paramus Mall.
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ok a few things. First to answer OP's question is yes, it is possible with any unlocked phone. problem is that AT&T has certain IMEI numbers that are recognized as smart phone IMEI's. Like my friend had an HD2 that he brought to AT&T and they recognized it and immediately changed his data plan to a smartphone data plan. Although there are other people with smartphones who have the AT&T system tricked because the system doesnt know what their IMEI number is for.
So yes, it is possible. And yes, as for the NON-Smartphone $50 unlimited talk, txt, and data plan, yes it does exist. AT&T just started it recently and no its not for just international. Its directed towards NON-Smartphones. But again, if they cant recognize your smartphone IMEI, then they wont know.
As for the $50 sim card, no there's no such thing as a $50 sim card and no, its not "just for international phones" haha. Sim cards are $5.95 and if a store tells you anything higher, then call AT&T sales. Because they are ALWAYS $5.95 over the phone.
BOOM! glad to help haha

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ok a few things. First to answer OP's question is yes, it is possible with any unlocked phone. problem is that AT&T has certain IMEI numbers that are recognized as smart phone IMEI's. Like my friend had an HD2 that he brought to AT&T and they recognized it and immediately changed his data plan to a smartphone data plan. Although there are other people with smartphones who have the AT&T system tricked because the system doesnt know what their IMEI number is for.
So yes, it is possible. And yes, as for the NON-Smartphone $50 unlimited talk, txt, and data plan, yes it does exist. AT&T just started it recently and no its not for just international. Its directed towards NON-Smartphones. But again, if they cant recognize your smartphone IMEI, then they wont know.
As for the $50 sim card, no there's no such thing as a $50 sim card and no, its not "just for international phones" haha. Sim cards are $5.95 and if a store tells you anything higher, then call AT&T sales. Because they are ALWAYS $5.95 over the phone.
BOOM! glad to help haha
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Thanks for clearing some things up, so it's the IMEI number that determines if they can tell if it's a smartphone or not. I probably got lucky with buying the international version of the X1 .

Viper89 said:
Thanks for clearing some things up, so it's the IMEI number that determines if they can tell if it's a smartphone or not. I probably got lucky with buying the international version of the X1 .
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exactly. As far as I know, that is how they determine which phone you have is thru your IMEI.
So to answer OP's question, yes, you probably want to initially set it up with a NON smartphone IMEI and then switch the sim card to your SGSII.
OR get lucky and give them the IMEI and they dont recognize it and just assume it is a non smartphone. (So if you are setting this up over the phone and they ask you what type of phone it is, its some basic flip phone. DO NOT tell them its a smartphone. Or you will have ruined that idea haha)
PS. there is a possibility that later on they will recognize your IMEI and will notify you (usually by a text msg) telling you that they are switching your plan to a smartphone plan. If they have done this, then they probably finally found out that the IMEI you're using is actually a smartphone. And that sucks haha.
Its also possible they wont ever know. chances are they will once they get the list of IMEI's and what phones they actually are for. I dont know how often they update their list of IMEI's so no telling how long you'll get away with it. some people have successfully done so for months or years. so we will see
good luck!!

PS. there is a possibility that later on they will recognize your IMEI and will notify you (usually by a text msg) telling you that they are switching your plan to a smartphone plan. If they have done this, then they probably finally found out that the IMEI you're using is actually a smartphone. And that sucks haha.
Its also possible they wont ever know. chances are they will once they get the list of IMEI's and what phones they actually are for. I dont know how often they update their list of IMEI's so no telling how long you'll get away with it. some people have successfully done so for months or years. so we will see
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I've had my phone for 1 year and 9 months now if they were going to do something they would have already, and Sony also stopped making the X1i awhile ago so as for as my IMEI being recognized I'm not worried at all about it .

I've had my phone for 1 year and 9 months now if they were going to do something they would have already, and Sony also stopped making the X1i awhile ago so as for as my IMEI being recognized I'm not worried at all about it .
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NICE. haha yea like I said, some phones they might eventually find out, and some they wont. You happen to be one of the ones they probably wont find. Enjoy that haha

Almost 100% sure that plan does not include Smartphone data.
As well it shouldn't; I do not understand why carriers cater more to their prepaid customers by offering such low rate plans while proceeding to charge customers who sign contracts by charging them a steeper price for the same plan.

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Almost 100% sure that plan does not include Smartphone data.
As well it shouldn't; I do not understand why carriers cater more to their prepaid customers by offering such low rate plans while proceeding to charge customers who sign contracts by charging them a steeper price for the same plan.
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Yes, you are right, this plan is not a smartphone data plan. Thats why we are talking about ways on how to get it on your smartphone haha.
And secondly, no contract phone plans are cheaper because you have to lay down money flat out to buy a phone. Contracts are made to give you that $700 phone for $100-$199. By you being in that contract it guarantee's they are going to get their money for that phone.

caffeinated chris said:
ok a few things. First to answer OP's question is yes, it is possible with any unlocked phone. problem is that AT&T has certain IMEI numbers that are recognized as smart phone IMEI's. Like my friend had an HD2 that he brought to AT&T and they recognized it and immediately changed his data plan to a smartphone data plan. Although there are other people with smartphones who have the AT&T system tricked because the system doesnt know what their IMEI number is for.
So yes, it is possible. And yes, as for the NON-Smartphone $50 unlimited talk, txt, and data plan, yes it does exist. AT&T just started it recently and no its not for just international. Its directed towards NON-Smartphones. But again, if they cant recognize your smartphone IMEI, then they wont know.
As for the $50 sim card, no there's no such thing as a $50 sim card and no, its not "just for international phones" haha. Sim cards are $5.95 and if a store tells you anything higher, then call AT&T sales. Because they are ALWAYS $5.95 over the phone.
BOOM! glad to help haha
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Don't mean to grave-dig the post but when I went to an AT&T store for new SIM cards (activated one through a go-phone and didn't know that it locked the SIM to the phone), I wasn't charged anything for them, the store rep gave them to me for free.
That aside, I've been toying with this concept myself. I've been looking everywhere for good candidates for a smartphone that ATT doesn't sell and that is compatible with their HSPA network.
I have a couple unlocked T-Mobile phones that the data works on, but only at EDGE speeds because they don't have the proper frequencies to support ATT 3/3.5/4G.
Does anyone have any new suggestions?
EDIT: So far I've found that the HTC Wildfire S A510a, and the HTC Sensation Z710a are both compatible with ATT's HSDPA 850 and GSM 850 bands and may be good candidates. I already have a T-Mobile HTC Sensation Z710e and really don't want to buy another phone that's practically the same .

I'm digging this up because I need answers before jumping ship.
Does AT&T still make smartphone users pay extra for data? I'm thinking of moving from Boost mobile to AT&T with an LG Fathom...
Either AT&T or metroPCS, if AT&T does still charge smartphone users for data then most likely it'll be over to metroPCS I go then.

n1nj4Lo said:
I'm digging this up because I need answers before jumping ship.
Does AT&T still make smartphone users pay extra for data? I'm thinking of moving from Boost mobile to AT&T with an LG Fathom...
Either AT&T or metroPCS, if AT&T does still charge smartphone users for data then most likely it'll be over to metroPCS I go then.
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Like with a plan? Yes.

TomTheGeek3 said:
Like with a plan? Yes.
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Well what I meant was are Smartphones still supposedly uneligilble for the prepaid 50 a month unlimited plan, do they still have to pay extra for data?
If yes, how much extra?

n1nj4Lo said:
Well what I meant was are Smartphones still supposedly uneligilble for the prepaid 50 a month unlimited plan, do they still have to pay extra for data?
If yes, how much extra?
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Yes, they have to pay extra. Not all smartphones will be in their database, so if you have a European phone with the appropriate HSPA bands it could potentially trick the system into believing you have a featurephone.
As for how much extra, it's something ridiculous like 30 bucks or so.

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Yes, they have to pay extra. Not all smartphones will be in their database, so if you have a European phone with the appropriate HSPA bands it could potentially trick the system into believing you have a featurephone.
As for how much extra, it's something ridiculous like 30 bucks or so.
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Mines a Verizon LG Fathom...
Is T-Mobile just as ridiculous too? I saw they have a prepaid 50 a month unlimited plan... What jerked me back away from that was 100Mb unthrottled then every bit over that is "managed" unless ya pay for the highspeed unlimited 4g data.

How do you expect a non-gsm phone to work on a gsm network?

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How do you expect a non-gsm phone to work on a gsm network?
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Just because it came from a cdma carrier doesn't mean it's a non-gsm phone... It's a world phone, meaning both cdma and gsm.

Called up t-mobile and it sounds like they'd be my (our) best bet, they don't charge ya anything additional if it's a smartphone for data... So it really is flat-out 50 bucks unlimited everything, no limitations, no specification handsets required or anything.

Sorry to dig up an old thread, but has anyone tried this recently?
Will probably give this a go in a couple of months using the HTC Sensation z710a.
Pretty harsh not getting any "smartphone data" included on a $50 plan. Would be heading straight to T-mobile if my z710a was AWS compatible.