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It should all be about choice

Call me old and grumpy but I like the fact some dev's DON'T add all the excess apk's like Facebook, Myspace, Twitdroid to name but a few to their roms.
I like to be able to 'Choose' what I have installed on my phone, half the stuff I don't even use and having it forced onto my system annoy's me slightly. If I wanted it I would get it for myself as it's not exactly hard work, whereas removing them sometimes can be. This actually stops me bothering with alot of rom's out because I don't want what I find to be useless programs cluttering up my system.
Thats why I chose the rom I have in my sig.
Don't get me wrong I adore the people that put the work into these Rom's and their dedication to helping us when we bugger it all up without them the G1 wouldn't be a quarter of the phone they have helped make it today.
Just wanted to have my little rant in the hope that in the future we will see more 'clean' rom's which I think will end up with less hassle for the dev's themselves meaning they have more time to play nicely with whatever and also clean the forums up a little.
The Old Grumpy Bugger!

So you like minimalist roms?
Have to say I agree Roms with too much stuffed into them get a bit annoying for me.

BTaylor927 said:
So you like minimalist roms?
Have to say I agree Roms with too much stuffed into them get a bit annoying for me.
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Pretty much yes.
I don't mind things like the mods to make the phone run faster and better or things like Wysies Contact.apk they just make things look a whole lot nicer and make for a much more enjoyable experience using your phone.
Just things like those mentioned above, they are not something I use or ever will.

and this is exactly why I like cyanogen's work. he doesnt force things on you other than tools which improve upon the core (read:required) parts of the phone.

Moved from Windows to Android - Missing Clean ROM upgrades

I have been a user of Windows for long lomg time and have loved it when I had the liberty to flash clean cooked ROMS onto my device. Rarely, I stuck to Stock ROM's or over bloated ones no matter how stable!
Will we ever see the light of day when the streak will get to see some cooked ROM's which are not bloated with added apps?
I got my Streak bout a fortnight ago - so far tested and mostly fixed on downloaded apps - but really pissed as I still have crap on my streak which I do not use - why do we need to live with this?
Am now looking to dump the 2.1 - but sceptical as I nee many bricks flying around for units purchased online direct from Dell....
I really hope to see some cook - take the initiative and start cooking some clean workable ROM's

I am sure it will not be long before you have your wish, Paul over at Modaco is the main Cook at the moment nip over he has a custom ROM

devdarshan said:
I have been a user of Windows for long lomg time and have loved it when I had the liberty to flash clean cooked ROMS onto my device. Rarely, I stuck to Stock ROM's or over bloated ones no matter how stable!
Will we ever see the light of day when the streak will get to see some cooked ROM's which are not bloated with added apps?
I got my Streak bout a fortnight ago - so far tested and mostly fixed on downloaded apps - but really pissed as I still have crap on my streak which I do not use - why do we need to live with this?
Am now looking to dump the 2.1 - but sceptical as I nee many bricks flying around for units purchased online direct from Dell....
I really hope to see some cook - take the initiative and start cooking some clean workable ROM's
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I have no idea what you're talking about. What 'bloated' ROMs?
Why don't you just open the update.zip, remove all the crap you don't need, resign it, done. Or, just uninstall the apps you don't want? It's not exactly hard to do.
You also sound incredibly ungrateful, these devs put A LOT of hard work into these ROMs and you just complain about a few apps they've included? If you don't like it, why don't YOU start making ROMs. This thread is essentially just pure laziness on your part.
Wow. "why do we need to live with this?" It's not essential to life, It's a ROM. grow up.

Meltus said:
I have no idea what you're talking about. What 'bloated' ROMs?
Why don't you just open the update.zip, remove all the crap you don't need, resign it, done. Or, just uninstall the apps you don't want? It's not exactly hard to do.
You also sound incredibly ungrateful, these devs put A LOT of hard work into these ROMs and you just complain about a few apps they've included? If you don't like it, why don't YOU start making ROMs. This thread is essentially just pure laziness on your part.
Wow. "why do we need to live with this?" It's not essential to life, It's a ROM. grow up.
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Chill out Meltus.
Am not sitting here to start another debate on disrespecting Chef's - never had that intention anyway if you had read my post with a clear mind! - I have been a user of custom cooked ROM's since the days of XDA IIs and never had a reply of such.
My title read - 'Moved from windows' - which implied that I am new to Android and still experimenting - infact I am still on my stock ROM on my dell online purchased unit and was only lookign for a way to uninstall Touchdown etc to save on space in memory.
Thanks for the tip on changing update.zip - now I have a solution which I can look into!
I said we dont need to live with this and it was not pointed to any Chef - it was pointed to Dell - who have installed all crap on the unit (which I am trying to remove) and being in a forum - you will have to appreciate - we all have the right to ask questions - some may be good and some naive!
So mine was naive - and thanks for your answers.

devdarshan said:
I said we dont need to live with this and it was not pointed to any Chef - it was pointed to Dell - who have installed all crap on the unit (which I am trying to remove)
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Ah, I apologise, I thought you were referring to ROM developers, sorry
Anyway, if you want to open the zip, remove stuff, and then sign it again, you'll need the signing tool - http://androidforums.com/developer-101/8665-how-signing-roms.html
Sorry again, i guess i just completely mis-read your post ><

Cool! am already opening up and playing around! if I have a brick in my hands - I'll jump out of the 3rd floor window and you'll have to carry me to the hospital
ps: I weigh 120Kgs!!!!!

devdarshan said:
Cool! am already opening up and playing around! if I have a brick in my hands - I'll jump out of the 3rd floor window and you'll have to carry me to the hospital
ps: I weigh 120Kgs!!!!!
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Haha, i think it's almost impossible to brick the streak at the moment, you can always just fastboot flash the stock recovery image then flash the stock update.pkg from Dell!
I'm a weak f***er so that's out of the question

I too have come from WM and have been using it since it came out in '98. One thing I miss is the ability to view and tweak the registry. Like on the HD2 just change
'Go to HKLM\Software\HTC\Camera\P2\ EncodeFormat' to '2147483647' and you have loads of additional video recording formats!

You can also remove ROM apps by using Root Explorer (need rooted phone obviously) and removing the offending /apk files from /system/apps and then clearing the Dalvik-cache and rebooting.
I just flashed the 2.1 ROM on my AT&T/US Streak and got rid of Touchdown and Amazon MP3. No more icons I don't use, nor widgets to scroll through.
here's a good guide to it:
http://www.market4android.com/how-to-remove-stock-android-apps.php
Good luck.

Be careful about removing ROM apps, ive done this a few times and then i got endless process error....eeeek :S

vinokirk said:
Be careful about removing ROM apps, ive done this a few times and then i got endless process error....eeeek :S
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Good to know. I was wondering if it was so easy, why would everyone care about what apps are installed if you can just zap em if you don't want them. Well thankfully I developed no ill effects from my deletions, and I removed those I really didn't want.
I'm not enough of a linux/Android gear head to know better. I'm a pretty good Windows gear head, but never knew Linux well which is too bad with all the cool Androids coming along in the handheld space. Oh well, learning new tricks is good too i suppose...
thanks

(Solved using CM7) Finding a ROM where everything I WANT works doesn't seem to exist

Problem Solved. Running CM7 Build 40 (or later).

Do you have a condensed version of this post?
PS. My name is HondaCop and I approve this message.

Sounds like you've experienced a mix of software, firmware, and hardware issues and blamed them all on the ROM.

I use Fresh and can do everything that I read (didn't read the entire wall though, you may want to put in some Cliff notes for the lazy.)
I also run launcher pro.

So make one yourself, nothings stopping you, all the pieces and knowledge are free. Your post on here doesn't really serve a purpose.

Tried Calk's EViO 2, Myn's RLS5, Azrael X 2.1-3.1 over the 1st 3 months after I rooted, all had their various issues. Been on Vaelpak for over a month, love it! Dev is quick to respond to problems, even when they're caused by something in my setup. Currently on v 3.1 RC1 (update 2), v3.2 is right around the corner. Gets better every day!
Swyped on my VaelPak'd Supersonic EVO 4G...

It sounds like you want a rom that does what you want and the good news is...you can get it by making it yourself.
Expecting the devs to make something specifically to your tastes especially when most of it is done free of charge is a bit much to be asking.
If you can't make the rom you like on your own then you had better get cracking at fixing the rom with most of your wants working. You said so yourself you are too lazy to fix even a simple font issue yet you want the devs to make all your "i wants" possible. You should at least put in the effort to try to fix the little stuff (font for example) on your own before expecting the devs to do everything for you.

mswlogo said:
I've tried about 10 ROM's over the past couples weeks and if I could put the best features of all them on one it would be great.
This is in no way a report on disatisfaction from efforts from chefs. They are all sharing there time and effort typically on something they want for themselves.
But it seems you have to give up something to get something else.
I'm hoping someone can shed some light on my issues. Like use ROM X but apply this fix or patch.
I know everybody has different criteria for a "Working ROM" some may feel it's critical that Music plays over bluetooth with the phone going half asleep. Another user may want it to look like an iPhone etc.
But I don't need much (IMHO) but I just can't seem to get there.
Keep in mind I could easily live with most of these ROMs. But when you see something working right on one ROM but want it on another you keep hoping you can find a ROM that does everything the way you want or you can make it do so.
What I say I need may be incomplete because some things I take for granted. Like the phone needs to work, LED's for pending messages need to work etc.
1) ASOP Contacts. Why? So I can Click on Navigate to Address with that contact open. If anyone knows how to make HTC Sense Contacts do this I'd love to know. It can only go to stupid Google Maps.
2) Voice and Google Search to Include Contacts (ideally near the top of the list). I think I may have found a reason why it varies. If you shut off "Search As I Type" it behaves much more the way I prefer and Contacts will come right to the top and if you hit search it will then do a google search.
3) BlueTooth. All I use is simple headset that has worked on TP2 and 5 phones before that. It randomly disconnects after a Voice Search. Then leaves Voice Search prompt stuck on screen. Many (All?) sense based ROMs do this. But CM7 ROMs do not.
3a) Bluetooth Volume Resetting. Some ROM's it gets stuck at a low volume. That I can increase each time but it keeps reverting.
4) Solid 100% GPS. All Sense based ROMs work great. CM7 based ones are crap.
5) Battery as good as Stock or better.
6) ESPT (is a very nice to have but not critical).
7) Don't care about 4G or Eye Candy. But I don't want it to be an Eye sore either.
8) As a poor mans confirmation on Voice Search. I noticed on some Rom if you just say Call Fred Smith (WITHOUT saying on mobile) it will prompt Fred Smith on Mobile or Home. This is great !! So at least you know you got the right person. Then you say Mobile (which it rarely gets wrong). It makes the call. This doesn't work on all ROM's.
9) Good support thread. Some ROMs have very little interaction with chef to help get answers and plugs for some things you'd like to see. Some have very good Chef support but and pounded with stupid chatter and you'd have to live in the thread full time to keep up. It's seems the better support a Chef does pulls in more folks that just want to chat about anything.
10) If Click Send Message from a Contact that could actually FILL the To: Phone Number. A lot of ROM's this doesn't work on. Some depend on a Cache that you have an ongoing thread.
I have not tried alternate kernels with Sense Based ROM's perhaps that would solve some bluetooth issues.
CM7 Build 38 looked promising at first glance. But it fell on its face with GPS. Yes I did all the silly tricks. It always finds location and locks quick. But it just refuses to update while navigating. Will occasionally get an update.
NonSense ROM was very close and I may end up going back to it and perhaps with different Kernels because it suffered from Bluetooth issues. Might be time to upgrade BT headset. It's worked so well for so long I hate to give it up.
These are all stock #15 Kernel with lastest Radio and PRL.
Myn - Over themed (Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder I guess) poor contrasts on Fonts. Yes fixable. But I'm too lazy.
NonSense - Bluetooth is really only issue. Battery about same as Stock.
CM7 BLD 38 - Missed calls GPS will lock but not update.
VP3.70 - This really looks quite good but I just didn't have the time to learn which freaken updates to apply. He leans on theming which is low priority for me.
Rainfreak - Not actually installed, he says he addressed bluetooth issues. But he removed EPST and some other critical Sense based things. Might be easy to put back. But he abandoned support
OMJ - I misspoke in other threads this is a pretty nice stock based ROM and I like his thinking. Fine tune the stock stuff. Currently running. Several of the issues listed above (3,3a, 8).
Sprintlovers - Too close to stock, why bother.
Calkulin - Had stability issues with 1.7.7 (even with undervolt removed). 1.8 seems to have fixed that but still has some of my common issues with Sense Based ROM's with none of the pluses of the Hybrid Sense/ASOP ROMs.
MiekFroyo - Too many ROM's I forget what issues I had but I'm sure in the list above.
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the bold part made me stop reading until i seen the part about miks roms ... HA its imho the fastest most stablest sense based rom out there !
about the lazy part please unroot your phone then ... lol to lazy to flash a simple file

CheesyNutz said:
the bold part made me stop reading until i seen the part about miks roms ... HA its imho the fastest most stablest sense based rom out there !
about the lazy part please unroot your phone then ... lol to lazy to flash a simple file
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I don't think his ROM would solve many of my issues any way. If I see a ROM "Over themed" then tend to have different priorities. And I don't want to spend time customizing it. I want one that starts close. Also if the doesn't see this a serious flaw then I suspect I would see other flaws.
Again, nothing against different chefs. Different strokes for different folks.

mswlogo said:
I've tried about 10 ROM's over the past couples weeks and if I could put the best features of all them on one it would be great.
This is in no way a report on disatisfaction from efforts from chefs. They are all sharing there time and effort typically on something they want for themselves.
But it seems you have to give up something to get something else.
I'm hoping someone can shed some light on my issues. Like use ROM X but apply this fix or patch.
I know everybody has different criteria for a "Working ROM" some may feel it's critical that Music plays over bluetooth with the phone going half asleep. Another user may want it to look like an iPhone etc.
But I don't need much (IMHO) but I just can't seem to get there.
Keep in mind I could easily live with most of these ROMs. But when you see something working right on one ROM but want it on another you keep hoping you can find a ROM that does everything the way you want or you can make it do so.
What I say I need may be incomplete because some things I take for granted. Like the phone needs to work, LED's for pending messages need to work etc.
1) ASOP Contacts. Why? So I can Click on Navigate to Address with that contact open. If anyone knows how to make HTC Sense Contacts do this I'd love to know. It can only go to stupid Google Maps.
2) Voice and Google Search to Include Contacts (ideally near the top of the list). I think I may have found a reason why it varies. If you shut off "Search As I Type" it behaves much more the way I prefer and Contacts will come right to the top and if you hit search it will then do a google search.
3) BlueTooth. All I use is simple headset that has worked on TP2 and 5 phones before that. It randomly disconnects after a Voice Search. Then leaves Voice Search prompt stuck on screen. Many (All?) sense based ROMs do this. But CM7 ROMs do not.
3a) Bluetooth Volume Resetting. Some ROM's it gets stuck at a low volume. That I can increase each time but it keeps reverting.
4) Solid 100% GPS. All Sense based ROMs work great. CM7 based ones are crap.
5) Battery as good as Stock or better.
6) ESPT (is a very nice to have but not critical).
7) Don't care about 4G or Eye Candy. But I don't want it to be an Eye sore either.
8) As a poor mans confirmation on Voice Search. I noticed on some Rom if you just say Call Fred Smith (WITHOUT saying on mobile) it will prompt Fred Smith on Mobile or Home. This is great !! So at least you know you got the right person. Then you say Mobile (which it rarely gets wrong). It makes the call. This doesn't work on all ROM's.
9) Good support thread. Some ROMs have very little interaction with chef to help get answers and plugs for some things you'd like to see. Some have very good Chef support but and pounded with stupid chatter and you'd have to live in the thread full time to keep up. It's seems the better support a Chef does pulls in more folks that just want to chat about anything.
10) If Click Send Message from a Contact that could actually FILL the To: Phone Number. A lot of ROM's this doesn't work on. Some depend on a Cache that you have an ongoing thread.
I have not tried alternate kernels with Sense Based ROM's perhaps that would solve some bluetooth issues.
CM7 Build 38 looked promising at first glance. But it fell on its face with GPS. Yes I did all the silly tricks. It always finds location and locks quick. But it just refuses to update while navigating. Will occasionally get an update.
NonSense ROM was very close and I may end up going back to it and perhaps with different Kernels because it suffered from Bluetooth issues. Might be time to upgrade BT headset. It's worked so well for so long I hate to give it up.
These are all stock #15 Kernel with lastest Radio and PRL.
Myn - Over themed (Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder I guess) poor contrasts on Fonts. Yes fixable. But I'm too lazy.
NonSense - Bluetooth is really only issue. Battery about same as Stock.
CM7 BLD 38 - Missed calls GPS will lock but not update.
VP3.70 - This really looks quite good but I just didn't have the time to learn which freaken updates to apply. He leans on theming which is low priority for me.
Rainfreak - Not actually installed, he says he addressed bluetooth issues. But he removed EPST and some other critical Sense based things. Might be easy to put back. But he abandoned support
OMJ - I misspoke in other threads this is a pretty nice stock based ROM and I like his thinking. Fine tune the stock stuff. Currently running. Several of the issues listed above (3,3a, 8).
Sprintlovers - Too close to stock, why bother.
Calkulin - Had stability issues with 1.7.7 (even with undervolt removed). 1.8 seems to have fixed that but still has some of my common issues with Sense Based ROM's with none of the pluses of the Hybrid Sense/ASOP ROMs.
MiekFroyo - Too many ROM's I forget what issues I had but I'm sure in the list above.
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I actually DID read the entire thing and everything you posted works in king's Ultra Froyo, for the most part

carhauler1969 said:
Tried Calk's EViO 2, Myn's RLS5, Azrael X 2.1-3.1 over the 1st 3 months after I rooted, all had their various issues. Been on Vaelpak for over a month, love it! Dev is quick to respond to problems, even when they're caused by something in my setup. Currently on v 3.1 RC1 (update 2), v3.2 is right around the corner. Gets better every day!
Swyped on my VaelPak'd Supersonic EVO 4G...
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I may just go to Vaelpak again (Definitely high on the list). I might just wait for V3.2. His updates are bit confusing. If they are primarily to fix "theme" issues I don't care. Again he has a high priority on Themes. That's fine, lot's folks love that stuff. I don't care about themes.
If VaelPak did some refinements on bluetooth (like Rainfreak said he did). Then it would be high on the list to try again. He spends lot of time on high resolution DPI stuff on themes. Just extra band with I need to sift through. But other threads say it's the Kernel that matters regarding bluetooth. That's not clear.

CheesyNutz said:
the bold part made me stop reading until i seen the part about miks roms ... HA its imho the fastest most stablest sense based rom out there !
about the lazy part please unroot your phone then ... lol to lazy to flash a simple file
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Also sense based Contacts is one of my major issues.
My favorite ROMs are the Hybrids that have some ASOP Gingerbread components that IMHO do it a little better even though not as Eye Candy-ish in some cases.

mswlogo said:
I may just go to Vaelpak again (Definitely high on the list). I might just wait for V3.2. His updates are bit confusing. If they are primarily to fix "theme" issues I don't care. Again he has a high priority on Themes. That's fine, lot's folks love that stuff. I don't care about themes.
If VaelPak did some refinements on bluetooth (like Rainfreak said he did). Then it would be high on the list to try again. He spends lot of time on high resolution DPI stuff on themes. Just extra band with I need to sift through. But other threads say it's the Kernel that matters regarding bluetooth. That's not clear.
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it is the kernel that matters for bluetooth.

i think its time for you to start learning how to make your own rom but wait your to lazy . i have a feeling no matter what anyone says here will be good enough for you .
enjoy rom hopping ill enjoy my 20 + hours of battery life with miks 4.5 and 17 hours on CM7

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Sounds like you've experienced a mix of software, firmware, and hardware issues and blamed them all on the ROM.
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Lot of people with broken hardware then because I've seen many of the issues posted by other folks. In fact co-worked has rooted Droid II and he has some very similar issues. Only hardware that may have issues is my headset. But it worked perfect on TP2.
Part of the problems are Froyo 2.2 and some stupid limitation in Google Apps. Which is why I like Hybrid ROMs that have some Gingerbread 2.3 compoents that address some issues.
Full Gingerbread 2.3 ROMs are not ready for prime time yet (for me). I look forward to an official release.

BK553 said:
So make one yourself, nothings stopping you, all the pieces and knowledge are free. Your post on here doesn't really serve a purpose.
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I might, I used Calkulins Kitchen for TP2 and stuck with the same ROM for 7 or so months. But it did take months of F'in around with it to know what works well with what.
Trying to avoid that time sink. By the time I get it "right" Gingerbread 2.3 will probably be out and solve many issues.

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I actually DID read the entire thing and everything you posted works in king's Ultra Froyo, for the most part
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Thanks I had that on my list to look at.

CheesyNutz said:
i think its time for you to start learning how to make your own rom but wait your to lazy . i have a feeling no matter what anyone says here will be good enough for you .
enjoy rom hopping ill enjoy my 20 + hours of battery life with miks 4.5 and 17 hours on CM7
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Well I was kinda under the stupid assumption when I bought the EVO Android worked !!
Now I have to build my own ROM. Geesh.
Again I don't think my list is too demanding. Some issues are pet-peivish, I admit.
Stock battery life is fine with me.
CM7 battery is looking respectable. But the phone fell flat on it's face before it could make it through one battery cycle to really know. When EVERYONE says GPS works I may give CM7 another go. By then my guess is a leaked GingerBread 2.3 will be out.

mswlogo said:
Well I was kinda under the stupid assumption when I bought the EVO Android worked !!
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Last I checked it does work, maybe not how you want it to exactly, but work it does
Now I have to build my own ROM. Geesh.
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QQ
Again I don't think my list is too demanding. Some issues are pet-peivish, I admit.
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I'll address this in a bit
Stock battery life is fine with me.
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Then run stock...
CM7 battery is looking respectable. But the phone fell flat on it's face before it could make it through one battery cycle to really know. When EVERYONE says GPS works I may give CM7 another go. By then my guess is a leaked GingerBread 2.3 will be out.
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How did the phone fall flat on its face? GPS issues?
Basically what you're doing is you're "customering" the developers. You're wanting to take the best pieces of all of them and automagically jam pack them into one ROM completely tailored to your needs. The only way this is going to happen is if you dive in and start helping or you build your own ROM. This post would have served much better purposes had you asked if anyone knows of a ROM that does all of these functions instead of going out and slamming each ROM for what it doesn't have. Each dev is going to take their own work their own way and that's the end of the story. If you don't like it, you have a few options, do your own work or quit your *****ing. There are a lot of things that I would LOVE to see in CM but until I bust out my coding chops or start adding to the development table, there's not much I can really do except thank him for his work, donate, and be happy that there are a ton of people out there donating their time to making this **** better.

I've been having the same problem. Calkulin's is the closest I have come

anyone else in a state of mental bootloop

I like many of you enjoy flashing custom roms, kernals themes etc and a big thanks to the devs and individuals for making it possible... Ive noticed lately im not really having any fun with my galaxy s2.
I seem to be in a mental bootloop of flashing apk's, tweaks and other little things to improve my toys userbility. cant seem to explore android market or other app markets for anything other than tweaks for this or add-ons to improve noise reduction blahblahblah its endless.
my phone out of the box stock was just brilliant and fun, now that ive rooted it, themed it and just made it to my everyday liking i cant be bothered to look for games or random apps that put a cheeky grin on my face anymore.
I know theres plenty out there to download i read about them in the forum all the time.
Is anyone else feeling like this not getting the fun out of it?
its my galaxy s2

sloanyboy said:
I like many of you enjoy flashing custom roms, kernals themes etc and a big thanks to the devs and individuals for making it possible... Ive noticed lately im not really having any fun with my galaxy s2.
I seem to be in a mental bootloop of flashing apk's, tweaks and other little things to improve my toys userbility. cant seem to explore android market or other app markets for anything other than tweaks for this or add-ons to improve noise reduction blahblahblah its endless.
my phone out of the box stock was just brilliant and fun, now that ive rooted it, themed it and just made it to my everyday liking i cant be bothered to look for games or random apps that put a cheeky grin on my face anymore.
I know theres plenty out there to download i read about them in the forum all the time.
Is anyone else feeling like this not getting the fun out of it?
its my galaxy s2
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Lols.... Anyone out there? hahahahaha.
Try cm9, you might stop flashing roms .

maybe a bit too early for the veteran modders to reply yet lol
THIS IS MY SIGNATURE

My phone is not a toy its a working tool .
fun phone
i would say get a life .
Yours is a toy and kids get bored quickly play with the box it came in instead .
jje

JJEgan said:
My phone is not a toy its a working tool .
fun phone
i would say get a life .
Yours is a toy and kids get bored quickly play with the box it came in instead .
jje
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Same here..My phone is my working swiss knife

fair comment on the toy/tool remarks im a grown man my kids can play with the box.
just meant for the thread in a relaxed manner when im not emailing and using it for work related situations. i read so many sarcastic comments on various threads just thought a little humour would lighten up a complex forum such as this. we are here to help each other when it comes down to it.
il flash cm9 for a daily when its a bit more stable to my own satisfaction nice rom bit laggy/buggy for me at the mo
oh yeah as stated with the sarcastic remarks you have only focused on the fact i called it a toy not a tool/phone whatever it didnt really answer the question i was asking, id say a majority of gs2 owners dont use it for its full potential
but my reply isnt to defend what context i have written and what i refer my phone to. the quesion is for people who dont take it too seriously as a smartphone and just want to have a bit of fun with it wether it be for music or games .....
THIS IS MY SIGNATURE

sloanyboy said:
I like many of you enjoy flashing custom roms, kernals themes etc and a big thanks to the devs and individuals for making it possible... Ive noticed lately im not really having any fun with my galaxy s2.
I seem to be in a mental bootloop of flashing apk's, tweaks and other little things to improve my toys userbility. cant seem to explore android market or other app markets for anything other than tweaks for this or add-ons to improve noise reduction blahblahblah its endless.
my phone out of the box stock was just brilliant and fun, now that ive rooted it, themed it and just made it to my everyday liking i cant be bothered to look for games or random apps that put a cheeky grin on my face anymore.
I know theres plenty out there to download i read about them in the forum all the time.
Is anyone else feeling like this not getting the fun out of it?
its my galaxy s2
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Same feelings here.
So I've just stopped with this whole **** and came back to the stock firmware. Now I'm just waiting for the first official release of ICS.
Regards.

Same for me. But my problem at the moment is that I have hit the perfect setup. It simply works exactly like I want it to, so there's no point in trying to improve it.
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JJEgan said:
play with the box it came in instead .
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Hahaha thats funny....
Part of the appeal of getting a new phone is setting it up and exploring whats new.
I think thats what sucks people into flashing so much.
From what ive seen most changes/roms are bugger all and the hype isn't justified and in the end it's a phone, goes into your pocket and you get on with your life.
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aceofclubs said:
Hahaha thats funny....
Part of the appeal of getting a new phone is setting it up and exploring whats new.
I think thats what sucks people into flashing so much.
From what ive seen most changes/roms are bugger all and the hype isn't justified and in the end it's a phone, goes into your pocket and you get on with your life.
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Yup, I tend to agree. I just spent most of the day setting up a Motorola Defy for a relative. It took me about 10 minutes to do what would have taken him weeks of reading (and he's a techie guy, just not up to speed with android).
Now running CM7 with root and stuff, it just doesn't need touched. I put on a self-build of it, and that will probably last him 2 years or something! Maybe I'll pop ICS/CM9 on it when the time comes, but it's a set and forget
I see my own phone a bit like that - I tend to build a ROM, test for a few days, perhaps release, then run it for 3 months or more

Ways to solve it
I had bootloops on my phone, a couple of days ago, and have tried several other methods to resolve the problem, but to no avail (for example, taking out the battery and letting it cool for a couple of minutes). If you have made backups using Nandroid backup, you should be able to restore your phone. If not, you will have to flash a stock kernel onto your phone and install a custom ROM after that. That's what I did since i did not have any backups made.

lol did you get the topic of this thread?

I've found that i can't find my "perfect setup" wen i start flashing roms as theirs always another one with something slightly better or more interesting that I need to try out or flash. At this current time the major temptation being ics. Which is what I'm currently running :L
I tried sticking on stock-ish firmware (checkrom) but its just to hard :/
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Gnarfsan said:
Same for me. But my problem at the moment is that I have hit the perfect setup. It simply works exactly like I want it to, so there's no point in trying to improve it.
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Same here. I might switch to CM9 when its stable but so far I have my phone perfectly set up for my needs. So no need to tweak anything.

florexus said:
Lols.... Anyone out there? hahahahaha.
Try cm9, you might stop flashing roms .
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Not really.
Because there will always be the overwhelming majority that will think; "Oh, this CM9/AOKP is really neat, very customisable - but do I want video cam or not!?" - and then back and forth flashing ensues.

Note the OP
words used Toy and Fun .
Its a phone and a tool want fun watch the cartoons .
jje

JJEgan said:
Note the OP
words used Toy and Fun .
Its a phone and a tool want fun watch the cartoons .
jje
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your point is exactly what, are you implying i cannot call my phone whatever i want without being picked up on it?
picky people like you spam threads without actually having anything in common with whats being discussed iv already answered the same idiot above why it was worded that way have a read it also mentions about sarcastic remarks, get a grip!
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JJEgan said:
My phone is not a toy its a working tool .
fun phone
i would say get a life .
Yours is a toy and kids get bored quickly play with the box it came in instead .
jje
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LOL agree.
It's like a novelist using all his time dis-assampling / assampling his typewriter instead of writing novels

sloanyboy said:
your point is exactly what, are you implying i cannot call my phone whatever i want without being picked up on it?
picky people like you spam threads without actually having anything in common with whats being discussed iv already answered the same idiot above why it was worded that way have a read it also mentions about sarcastic remarks, get a grip!
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All i can say is Fun and Toy .
jje

re: endlesss booting
are you able to boot to safe mode debug mode or ne thing if so and you enjoyed the stock firmware download an insecure kernal to suit your version ittl be be xxk? and there are some as close to stock ones on here somewhere other than that my phone isnt rooted yet so leri havent been able to experiment with new ideas or solve ne of your problems other than y what i can do is recommend this as a fix and all the other usual gumf take battry out maybe even do a complete pik of thenthe innards and depower it alltogether discharge completely then reflash

[Q] Recommendations for a ROM ICS or JB

I'm currently running Toasted Marshmallow but the camera issue is killing me. Is there a daily driver out there with a working camera? I don't really care if it is ICS or JB I just need my camera/instagram to work again. I'm also hoping I can retain my apps/data as I have been running this for a bit. I did a search and could nothing definitive. If I overlooked something please let me know. Thanks for any help!

Synthetic AospX. Also, we have plenty of threads on this so you should have looked before you posted

I did a search. This was the most relevant thing and it was posted in July. Just sayin' Anyway thanks for the heads up.

Even if there is nothing titles "best ics roms", you could have just looked at the rom threads and found which ones had rave reviews. Most of the ICS and JB roms are at the top. I am not mad at you, slightly annoyed, i just want to tell you what to do for next time.

These are the threads I cannot f*cking stand. Test out the ROMs if you want to know which one is best for you! We don't know what you like. You do. So don't be that noob that asks all the questions in the general forum (like you did) and post ROM related problems as new threads.
Also, what's this? On the 2nd page?! No way someone would dare look there.. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1494680
Have a nice day.
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jennster said:
I'm currently running Toasted Marshmallow but the camera issue is killing me. Is there a daily driver out there with a working camera? I don't really care if it is ICS or JB I just need my camera/instagram to work again. I'm also hoping I can retain my apps/data as I have been running this for a bit. I did a search and could nothing definitive. If I overlooked something please let me know. Thanks for any help!
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What is searching? Searching is definitely NOT looking something up on Google and skimming through everything. Searching CANNOT be done with shortcuts.
Now if you had really done a full search, you would've found that like you said, there is nothing "definitive", or good out there. So what does that mean..? If you don't find it out there, it probably means it doesn't exist. Like in this case right here, a great example. I, like Invasion2 hate threads like these because nobody knows what's the best for your phone, nobody knows your taste. Only you do. Sure, we can give you suggestions and stuff, but why don't you just save everyone's time and try the ROMs yourself? Does it really take that long and that much effort? It doesn't hurt to try.
You should honestly be thankful that we even have ICS and JB ROMs...HTC and T-Mobile left us on the Gingerbread side. And here you are complaining about things not working. Well no duh...you can't expect a OS that wasn't meant to be on our phone to work 100% do you? Cause if you do, then you set impossible expectations for developers.
Another thing: have you ever thought about how much effort, time, and energy were put into the development of these ROMs? Developers work hard, spend countless hours, sometimes giving up sleep to get something to just boot, and the last thing we want to hear and read in our threads is someone who thinks he deserves the work we put out to complain about this or that not working. We know it's not working, we don't need you to tell us that! Trust us, we're working hard on trying to figure out the bugs and fix them, it's not easy.
Lastly...what's wrong with Gingerbread? It's working perfectly fine for our phone. If you want to have everything "perfect and working" why not stay with Gingerbread, where everything is guaranteed to work? I'm on MIUI GB, and can't love it more. If you just want the look of ICS or JB, it's not that hard to theme Cyanogenmod 7 to look like them. And if you want to be on ICS or JB just cause it's cooler or whatever, well be prepared to sacrifice somethings, like the camera. Gingerbread is a OS that was meant to be on our device, ICS and JB weren't.
Thanks.
invasion2 said:
These are the threads I cannot f*cking stand. Test out the ROMs if you want to know which one is best for you! We don't know what you like. You do. So don't be that noob that asks all the questions in the general forum (like you did) and post ROM related problems as new threads.
Also, what's this? On the 2nd page?! No way someone would dare look there.. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1494680
Have a nice day.
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MFW I saw this post.
Also, TL: DR.

Oh FFS
I didn't ask what was the BEST. That would be opinion and I am certainly not soliciting that. I could read all day and get a million. I asked what had a WORKING CAMERA. Seems like an easy enough question for such well versed people. That being said that renders the link you so condescendingly offered completely irrelevant. So that you know the query was here on XDA for working camera mytouch4G. I wasn't complaining. I said, for my needs I need a working camera. Did I post this on the ROMs thread? No. I didn't. I was looking for a suggestion that would meet my needs, i.e. a working camera.
What happened to people on forums being decent and helpful if not nice too?
You know what I can't stand? A$$holes like you people that think that any of this makes a $hit in the big picture. You know what *I* hate? Taking care of my dad with Parkinsons and my mother that can't leave the house because she has COPD all while working two jobs. Really next to that an extraneous thread doesn't seem that bad. "$hit I have to scroll over this thread that someone who actually looked posted!"
A lot of people work hard. Some not in front of computers in the air conditioning. I appreciate that this stuff is available but please do not hang yourself on a cross. If you hate it, find work elsewhere. If you don't get out of my a$$. I'm not going to suck your d1ck either way and I doubt anyone else is either with your sunny disposition.
And good evening.

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Oh FFS
I didn't ask what was the BEST. That would be opinion and I am certainly not soliciting that. I could read all day and get a million. I asked what had a WORKING CAMERA. Seems like an easy enough question for such well versed people. That being said that renders the link you so condescendingly offered completely irrelevant. So that you know the query was here on XDA for working camera mytouch4G. I wasn't complaining. I said, for my needs I need a working camera. Did I post this on the ROMs thread? No. I didn't. I was looking for a suggestion that would meet my needs, i.e. a working camera.
What happened to people on forums being decent and helpful if not nice too?
You know what I can't stand? A$$holes like you people that think that any of this makes a $hit in the big picture. You know what *I* hate? Taking care of my dad with Parkinsons and my mother that can't leave the house because she has COPD all while working two jobs. Really next to that an extraneous thread doesn't seem that bad. "$hit I have to scroll over this thread that someone who actually looked posted!"
A lot of people work hard. Some not in front of computers in the air conditioning. I appreciate that this stuff is available but please do not hang yourself on a cross. If you hate it, find work elsewhere. If you don't get out of my a$$. I'm not going to suck your d1ck either way and I doubt anyone else is either with your sunny disposition.
And good evening.
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I thought you'd searched around already? And since you already searched, you should've known that there wasn't a fully working camera yet. So why are you still asking this question if you know the answer already? Seriously...
You don't expect people to be nice if you rub them the wrong way do you? It's sorta your fault we're "not nice" to you...you should check out the other forums when noobs post questions like this, oh man...sh*t breaks apart the fan.

Did you guys actually read his OP ,it wasnt really that bad.He did say he searched ,granted he could of tried a bit harder,but help a guy out once in a while!I am not knockin anybody but ,not everyone knows there way around these threads like some of us do..I mean if he was being a lazy dumb ass that one thing ,but he didnt come off like that to me when i read his OP
anyways. search harder next time dude and you wont get flamed!!!

jennster said:
I'm currently running Toasted Marshmallow but the camera issue is killing me. Is there a daily driver out there with a working camera? I don't really care if it is ICS or JB I just need my camera/instagram to work again. I'm also hoping I can retain my apps/data as I have been running this for a bit. I did a search and could nothing definitive. If I overlooked something please let me know. Thanks for any help!
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I don't get why you're getting so much flac. It's not like the MT4G is flying. Most threads about ROMs are months old.
The only answer I seem to see too is Synthetic's ROM.

"If you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all"
I also didn't feel as if the op was a lazy dumb ass. To each his own
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Deathwish238 said:
I don't get why you're getting so much flac. It's not like the MT4G is flying. Most threads about ROMs are months old.
The only answer I seem to see too is Synthetic's ROM.
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Sorry to double post but I don't agree with this. Most roms are NOT months old and are updated. Granted some old ones aren't but for an old phone we hold our ground
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rockstarar said:
Sorry to double post but I don't agree with this. Most roms are NOT months old and are updated. Granted some old ones aren't but for an old phone we hold our ground
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Yeah. Ignore the troll. Development for this ancient phone that was only released on one continent is still moving nicely.
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Synthetic's AospX for sure. Very smooth and I use it as my daily driver.

I really, really hate people who just want to flame someone for asking a question, especially like this. Me, myself, I'VE been searching for a perfect rom for myself, and it's a PAIN to spend countless of hours when you are not experienced in messing with the phones, and you asking a simple question, than all these teenie boppers decide to start a flame war thinking they are the all-knowing, just because they design some ROMs and ports.
Now, personally the best ROM I have found so far that suits me is the CoreDroid ROM.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1434887
This seems to be the most stable ROM with best battery life that I have found after using many that keeps the original android feel to it. I have yet to find any real problems with it, seems to be the perfect one for me.
I'm currently going through most of the ROMs trying to find something else, instead of just upgrading my phone. I've tested out PacMan Glacier ROM, and honestly I'm liking that the most so far.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1933896
But again, problem is Camera freezing, panoramic does not work either, at least for me, may work for you. I'd look into that first to see how you like it. Has extensive customization options as well, so the settings screen is a little cluttered so to speak, but good for customization. I would REALLY LOVE to get this to work perfectly, cuz I will indefinitely use this (haven't tested out battery life though).
The next one from that I would check out (even though Saranhai is the one who pretty much crapped on you first) is MyTouchUX.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1826792
I would love to post what problems I've encountered in the thread, but I need to post at least 10 times or something or another before I can post in those forums. But anyways, problem I've had was that the Camera button does not work to get the camera on (but still can access the camera through the app itself), and the LockScreen still is not working in V3, at least for me. BUT panoramic does work with his, and it is really sweet. Less customization options on this ROM, but seems to be REALLY clean (couldn't get swype either, might just be me though.)

Ardanza said:
I really, really hate people who just want to flame someone for asking a question, especially like this. Me, myself, I'VE been searching for a perfect rom for myself, and it's a PAIN to spend countless of hours when you are not experienced in messing with the phones, and you asking a simple question, than all these teenie boppers decide to start a flame war thinking they are the all-knowing, just because they design some ROMs and ports.
Now, personally the best ROM I have found so far that suits me is the CoreDroid ROM.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1434887
This seems to be the most stable ROM with best battery life that I have found after using many that keeps the original android feel to it. I have yet to find any real problems with it, seems to be the perfect one for me.
I'm currently going through most of the ROMs trying to find something else, instead of just upgrading my phone. I've tested out PacMan Glacier ROM, and honestly I'm liking that the most so far.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1933896
But again, problem is Camera freezing, panoramic does not work either, at least for me, may work for you. I'd look into that first to see how you like it. Has extensive customization options as well, so the settings screen is a little cluttered so to speak, but good for customization. I would REALLY LOVE to get this to work perfectly, cuz I will indefinitely use this (haven't tested out battery life though).
The next one from that I would check out (even though Saranhai is the one who pretty much crapped on you first) is MyTouchUX.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1826792
I would love to post what problems I've encountered in the thread, but I need to post at least 10 times or something or another before I can post in those forums. But anyways, problem I've had was that the Camera button does not work to get the camera on (but still can access the camera through the app itself), and the LockScreen still is not working in V3, at least for me. BUT panoramic does work with his, and it is really sweet. Less customization options on this ROM, but seems to be REALLY clean (couldn't get swype either, might just be me though.)
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Have you noticed when the op last posted? Appreciate the efforts though

THEindian said:
Have you noticed when the op last posted? Appreciate the efforts though
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Bah, no I didn't even notice that... oh well...