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Maybe this is far fetched or not..
But will the day ever come or is it even possible that we eventually have a way... perhaps through the recovery menu or just generally through the phone..
To be able to easily select any of the themes, roms... etc from a list of all of the themes, roms.. etc and then install while our phone keeps everything critical to a user saved...
Maybe I am wrong.. I am not much a help to this community.. the best I can give are ideas.
I was thinking a program called ... "XDA" for example that would allow us to install any of this stuff more easily... would be f'n sweet...
Perhaps there could be money from advertising revs or just flat out charge a buck or two as well..
I'm not really sure... thoughts? Is it possible or not?
Excuse my ridiculous way of communicating.
PS... I would love to have easier access to what you guys are doing here, and I know I'd be fully willing to pay for an app that allowed simple installation of work that has gone down here.
It's been such a long time since I rooted and put in a rom as well as other things, I slightly don't look forward to doing it again as well as don't really know what new features would be gained.
I know i've only really had trouble with one thing on my phone and its the damn youtube app... 90% of the time video/audio doesn't play.. but if I try 10x to load the video it does eventually work.
I don't even know what i'm using any more.. I think I have fresh.
Again excuse my writing/thinking style... (full blown lunatic) DEAL WITH IT.
for themes, at least, use metamorph. you could easily come up with that through a google search and maybe 5 or 10 minutes of looking around. though you probably are gonna be using 1.6 aosp for theming with metamorph. so that means no sense.
roms.... not gonna happen lol.
Well essentially recovery is what you are talking about...
I mean in regards to cutting out the work to be able to flash a rom, you can't do it. You are always going to need root access, and really the reason I assume we use recovery in the first place is that it is not running on the ROM/etc, its outside what we are trying to mod.
I mean say someone came up with a simple apk, released to market and etc for installing roms. How would you run the apk? You can't flash over the rom while still using it.
Plus I would say it is probably a good thing for people to approach the learning curve to modding the device. Flashing while not understanding what you are doing and stuff could potentially be risky. Imagine an app in the market and how many people would brick their phone from doing things they would have originally learned not to do.
Cloned2 said:
Maybe this is far fetched or not..
But will the day ever come or is it even possible that we eventually have a way... perhaps through the recovery menu or just generally through the phone..
To be able to easily select any of the themes, roms... etc from a list of all of the themes, roms.. etc and then install while our phone keeps everything critical to a user saved...
Maybe I am wrong.. I am not much a help to this community.. the best I can give are ideas.
I was thinking a program called ... "XDA" for example that would allow us to install any of this stuff more easily... would be f'n sweet...
Perhaps there could be money from advertising revs or just flat out charge a buck or two as well..
I'm not really sure... thoughts? Is it possible or not?
Excuse my ridiculous way of communicating.
PS... I would love to have easier access to what you guys are doing here, and I know I'd be fully willing to pay for an app that allowed simple installation of work that has gone down here.
It's been such a long time since I rooted and put in a rom as well as other things, I slightly don't look forward to doing it again as well as don't really know what new features would be gained.
I know i've only really had trouble with one thing on my phone and its the damn youtube app... 90% of the time video/audio doesn't play.. but if I try 10x to load the video it does eventually work.
I don't even know what i'm using any more.. I think I have fresh.
Again excuse my writing/thinking style... (full blown lunatic) DEAL WITH IT.
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id just like to see more custom roms and themes come out like the gsm version has.
What I think the OP is talking about, is something like Preware for the Palm Pre, where you can download whatever it is to be modified through Preware, and then Preware reboots the phone/Luna (windows manager) depending on what is being modified, and then the changes are done. But then again, Preware can't change ROM's, only skins, etc.
I am new to the forum, and I just bought a new G1 off craigslist tonight. ($150, new in box, with two protective cases). Why should I root and modify it? What are the benefits? What will I be able to do that I can't do right now? Links?
Thank you very much. I appreciate it.
EDIT: Oh, I should have said that I am not looking for another hobby or technological fun (I get plenty of that!). I just need to know what I have to gain before I dig in. Thanks.
If you have to ask that, just don't bother.
soo many XXXX on here.
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My reply is perfectly valid.. If you don't even know why you want root, what's the point..? Just be happy with what you've got.
Do a search for "Root" and just read.
Tethering (use your 3g connection on your laptop)
Apps to SD (the g1 only has a few megabytes of memory for apps/games, so you can use a lot more)
Eclair(live wallpapers, more features)
Multitouch(if your used to the iphone/ipod touch)
Hero/Sense (to get a different android experience)
SPEED! (some roms like superd/fastTest/CSDI are fast as hell!)
Themes (so you can make your phone look any way you want (pink notification bars ftw))
Thats about it.
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No need to be offensive. Post reported.
My reply is perfectly valid.. If you don't even know why you want root, what's the point..? Just be happy with what you've got.
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you don't have to give a smart answer. the guy new and just wants some help.
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Oh, I should have said that I am not looking for another hobby or technological fun (I get plenty of that!). I just need to know what I have to gain before I dig in. Thanks.
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Really, if you aren't looking for something you need to put a lot of work into, rooting and modifying your device probably isn't for you. Unless you want to be left with outdated and obsolete features. There are a lot of things about rooting that you really should keep up with. And if you can't make the commitment to it, it's probably best to just skip this.
But like I said before, you can do it now, forget about everything else and just keep outdated and obsolete features.
THANKS! It is a beautiful thing when a person chooses to be helpful and kind. I appreciate it.
I guess apps to the SD and the increased speed are the only two things that I would be interested in.
If the phone memory fills up, will anything else I install automatically go the the 2gb sim card?
I do not have a data plan and plan on just connecting to home and work wi-fi networks when I need to access the Internet. Will moding the G1 help with anything wi-fi related?
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Tethering (use your 3g connection on your laptop)
Apps to SD (the g1 only has a few megabytes of memory for apps/games, so you can use a lot more)
Eclair(live wallpapers, more features)
Multitouch(if your used to the iphone/ipod touch)
Hero/Sense (to get a different android experience)
SPEED! (some roms like superd/fastTest/CSDI are fast as hell!)
Themes (so you can make your phone look any way you want (pink notification bars ftw))
Thats about it.
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Thank you for your honesty. I appreciate it.
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Really, if you aren't looking for something you need to put a lot of work into, rooting and modifying your device probably isn't for you. Unless you want to be left with outdated and obsolete features. There are a lot of things about rooting that you really should keep up with. And if you can't make the commitment to it, it's probably best to just skip this.
But like I said before, you can do it now, forget about everything else and just keep outdated and obsolete features.
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Multitouch(if your used to the iphone/ipod touch)
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Anymore info on this?
Multitouch(if your used to the iphone/ipod touch)
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Anymore info on this?
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Don't get too interested. Due to the G1's slow processor, most multi-touch will be more like.. a bad synonym that I can't think of. Upgrading to the Nexus last week from this device.. was worth it.
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Really, if you aren't looking for something you need to put a lot of work into, rooting and modifying your device probably isn't for you. Unless you want to be left with outdated and obsolete features. There are a lot of things about rooting that you really should keep up with. And if you can't make the commitment to it, it's probably best to just skip this.
But like I said before, you can do it now, forget about everything else and just keep outdated and obsolete features.
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That's basically what I meant, but with more words.
Well, after a couple days of using the phone and downloading productivity apps and games that I think I will use on a regular basis, I only have 10MB of space left on the phone. So, it looks like I will be rooting/modding out of necessity.
Why root/mod the G1?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=645967
6 Things they don't tell you before you ROOT your phone
http://androidcommunity.com/forums/f28/6-things-they-dont-tell-you-before-you-root-your-phone-14792/
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Why root/mod the G1?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=645967
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Wow, my post used to help someone else. Guess it was not a stupid question after all. LOL.
Personaly I like being able to run Eclair on my phone. I just like the look and feel of it. That and using setcpu helps battery life. Just my 2 cents.
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6 Things they don't tell you before you ROOT your phone
http://androidcommunity.com/forums/f28/6-things-they-dont-tell-you-before-you-root-your-phone-14792/
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I wouldn't listen to that article, it's VERY outdated.
Also, another reason: (see my sig)
Care to elaborate/give details why? Thanks.
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I wouldn't listen to that article, it's VERY outdated.
Also, another reason: (see my sig)
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Well, it's over a year old, and something in the Android world is pretty much outdated after a few weeks
But here is some other reasons:
1) Not sure about this. Although, i'm pretty sure i remember using a multi-touch gallery a while ago.
2) I'm not sure why you'd want that anyway, it's pretty pointless. Also, that's only true for the home screen. There are apps on the marketplace that have 180° rotation. Cyanogen has also built in 180° rotation into his Nexus ROM so it could be possible on the G1.
3) I have no idea what the author means by this. Saving apps to your SDcard only means you can potentially install thousands of apps because they get saved to the SDcard instead of the phone. Also, i believe you can move the CACHE to the sdcard now too.
4) Downloading themes is very easy and incredibly simple to do now with Metamorph. It's pretty hard to 'soft-brick' your phone with this.
5) Not true at all. Everything is explained in very detailed tutorials. The only way you can mess up the Linux commands is if you can't read. Obviously, having a knowledge of Linux is very handy.
6) The firmware we have on our phones are MILES better than anything T-mobile releases, purely because devs get the OTA, mod it, and release something awesome, usually, the same day. Oh, you'd also lose root if you flashed one of these OTA's.
I'm not blaming the author of that thread at all, It's just things have improved ten fold since this time last year
Cyanogen has his 180 degree rotation in his newest Donut ROM (if you even really want it?)
If you use nandroid, there's never a reason to worry about a soft-brick. I nandroid every other day actually. Flashing something or not.
Finally, the person who got me into rooting was still running cyanogen 4.0.4 about a month ago and still loved it. you don't have to be "dedicated." of course, you'll be lacking some features you might find useful if you never update, but you'll still always be on top of a stock phone.
And, yes, meltus' famous louder volume hack. (If it wasn't for this I never would have been up for work with my mytouch alarm.)
Apps2sd - get a bigger sdcard. I have an 8gig class 6. payed 18 dollars for it on ebay (with free shipping) got it in 3 days. and yes, apps2sd might not free up your internal storage because of cache and all that.... but: it lets you install more apps. and: there are apps the clear your cache. you can even set it to clear periodically (mines clears every 24 hours.)
yes: I would suggest rooting, but I would also suggest that you read VERY closely and learn wtf to do before you ever even try.
Hey guys,
Sorry for this "noob"ish post. I am new to the Fascinate after being with T-Mo for 2 years, which included a G1 (running CyanMod) and a Nexus One (which also ran CyanMod). I am just hoping one of you would mind giving me a quick 2 minute catch up on where things are now with the Fascinate, as there is way too much on these forums to realistically sift through. I have some basic questions...
1)I have noticed root is good and all that. I would assume rooting is all you need to get free wireless tethering? What program do you use to wireless tether once you are rooted?
2)I keep seeing something about "lagfix". What is that? My phone doesn't seem laggy, except for all the bloatware Verizon has put on it. So any info is appreciated.
3)I'm not crazy about the stock 2.1 ROM. Are there any good custom 2.2 ROMs yet? What is generally the best ROM for the Fascinate? On the Nexus, argue as much as you want, CyanMod was far and away the best ROM. But it seems like there is no CyanMod for Fascinates. So what are my best choices?
4)Is there anything else I should know moving to this phone?
I really appreciate anyone taking the time to answer these, as I know these types of threads are not the most popular thing on here. I want to get "in the know" with my new phone, but there is already so much on these forums, it's hard to tell what is still new and relevant and what is not. Thanks guys!
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Hey guys,
Sorry for this "noob"ish post. I am new to the Fascinate after being with T-Mo for 2 years, which included a G1 (running CyanMod) and a Nexus One (which also ran CyanMod). I am just hoping one of you would mind giving me a quick 2 minute catch up on where things are now with the Fascinate, as there is way too much on these forums to realistically sift through. I have some basic questions...
1)I have noticed root is good and all that. I would assume rooting is all you need to get free wireless tethering? What program do you use to wireless tether once you are rooted?
2)I keep seeing something about "lagfix". What is that? My phone doesn't seem laggy, except for all the bloatware Verizon has put on it. So any info is appreciated.
3)I'm not crazy about the stock 2.1 ROM. Are there any good custom 2.2 ROMs yet? What is generally the best ROM for the Fascinate? On the Nexus, argue as much as you want, CyanMod was far and away the best ROM. But it seems like there is no CyanMod for Fascinates. So what are my best choices?
4)Is there anything else I should know moving to this phone?
I really appreciate anyone taking the time to answer these, as I know these types of threads are not the most popular thing on here. I want to get "in the know" with my new phone, but there is already so much on these forums, it's hard to tell what is still new and relevant and what is not. Thanks guys!
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Also a G1 and N1 owner. Be happy to help.
1) Wireless tethering is accomplished by myself without issue via Wireless tether app on the market. It's under the radar so to speak, but required an ad hoc connection
2) The correct lagfix is the voodoo lag fix, with the informative posts being found on the first page of this forum. Basically, Samsung used an older file system in their build, and voodoo updates it to ext4, which is alot snappier on the r/w side of things. Without it, you will encounter a slowing of your processes after a period of uptime, and usually a small freeze while the phone does things like install applications. The flip is that voodoo instructions should be read very closely, and adhered to. Failure to do so will result in phone borkage, and while always fixable, takes some time and patience to do so.
If you are unfamiliar with Odin, as I was at first, make damn sure you always use the PDA option. Failure to do so can result in terminal frustration, and possibly a close to true brick of the device.
3) There are no 2.2 ROMs yet. The Froyo OTA should hit between now and Christmas hopefully. I would like to think we will see some custom 2.2 ROMs, and maybe a CM port by the 1st. In the meanwhile there are several ROMs on this board which seem to work for the people who use them. I'm a proponent of stripping and customizing stock to suit your needs, making your ROM your own. I haven't seen enough included hacks in the available ROMs to warrant a need for them personally. We have some excellent kernels available, and some pretty slick themes and mods, which works well for me.
4) The phone has the best processor/gpu out currently. The display is fantastic, and I don't see a better device on the market currently. It does have downsides, most notably the GPS, which isn't a huge issue for me, but which also has a fix on the way, presumably to be included in the 2.2 update. I also have experienced a shortage in the Wifi reception comparative to my N1, having approx. half the range I previously enjoyed. This seems to me to be software related, so I assume it will be addressable.
If you plan to root and mod, especially if you plan to use voodoo, which I highly recommend, be careful in your reading of instructions and applications of procedures outlined in them. As great as this phone is, mistakes are costly in terms of confusion and time to correct.
Thanks for the reply. Im always impatient, and as such, have already rooted before even waiting for a first response I used the one click method though and it worked great, exactly as advertised. Root Explorer works, so I definitely am good there, and I snagged the latest build of wireless tether from the developer's page.
Now I need to get started with actually switching out the ROM. I really want all the VZ bloatware gone and Bing needs to go as well. So now I guess I have some reading to do on installing ROMs for this phone. Process seems a little more complex for this phone that it was for my N1, but that may be just because it was so long ago and I don't remember. Thanks for the response though!
I am in a similar boat I use the Droid 1 and my fascinate is at the post office waiting for me per usps tracking
I think for now I will root remove bloatware and Bing and role with that till 2.2 maybe touchwiz aswell as I hear u can save ram that way and I paid for launcher pro so might aswell use it.
Yea, from what I've read, it sounds like putting a new ROM on is kind of pointless, since it won't be 2.2 anyway. So I think I just need some good instructions for this voodoo/lagfix stuff and some good instructions for removing all the vzn bloatware that comes installed. Once I do those two things, I think I'll be good. I am already running ADW, which I love, so I don't need any customization there, and wireless tether seems great. So I guess I just need to continue searching. There are lots of topics on the voodoo/lagfix thing on here, but I just want to make sure I find the most complete comprehensive set so I dont screw anything up
I'm somewhat of a new member, but have silently read through these forums for months... I used Dirks d02 sv1200kernal and the voodoo lag fix, I have been very happy with my phone since. I have been reading about the roms right now and don't see a point just yet. Freeze the bloatware from verizon and you will love your phone. Also have switched to LPPlus and think my phone operates so smooth!
I just received my fascinate friday, best buy sucked me in, lol, and I have no regrets. This phone is amazing, better than my d1 and d2. I too had a lot of the same questions about the lagfix and what not and would just like to say thanks, this thread def helped me understand. Can't wait until 2.2 roms
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Yea, from what I've read, it sounds like putting a new ROM on is kind of pointless, since it won't be 2.2 anyway. So I think I just need some good instructions for this voodoo/lagfix stuff and some good instructions for removing all the vzn bloatware that comes installed. Once I do those two things, I think I'll be good. I am already running ADW, which I love, so I don't need any customization there, and wireless tether seems great. So I guess I just need to continue searching. There are lots of topics on the voodoo/lagfix thing on here, but I just want to make sure I find the most complete comprehensive set so I dont screw anything up
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I posted on replacing the stock launcher with ADW or LP, as well as a couple lists of what is safe to remove. It's easy enough. I'm mobile our I would link the threads, but the replacement of bing its also covered in a post that includes some zips that will help.
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I'm somewhat of a new member, but have silently read through these forums for months... I used Dirks d02 sv1200kernal and the voodoo lag fix, I have been very happy with my phone since. I have been reading about the roms right now and don't see a point just yet. Freeze the bloatware from verizon and you will love your phone. Also have switched to LPPlus and think my phone operates so smooth!
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What is LPPlus? Is it worthwhile/simple to do?
To everyone else, I am glad I was not the only other one on the fence. XDA can be a bit scary sometimes, because you don't wanna ask something dumb/"noob"ish, but at the same time, if you haven't been there since the beginning, playing catch up can be hard. I will say everyone in the Fascinate threads has been nice and really helpful so far. I am slowly working through getting my phone the way I want it. Its just a shame that Verizon has to mess up the phone with all this garbage. I dont care much for the iPhone (design or software), but the one thing they do right, which comes at the cost of being "closed", is that they can dictate the user experience right out of the box. Unfortunately a lot of people are just too timid or incapable of doing the things we do to our phones to get them "right". Its a shame too, because people base their opinions on what Android the phone company gives you rather than what it can truly be. Regardless, I appreciate everyone's help and look forward to being a part of this community. I work IT at a school, so I know my way around a PC, but I wish I just knew more about Android coding and how phones work to be a true contributor to ROMs, etc. At least I know I helped a few people by speaking up and creating this thread. Thanks again everyone!!!
Edit: Im putting this in as an edit, but I just realized that LPPlus is probably Launcher Pro Plus. Have you used ADW? Is there a difference? What do you see as its advantages over ADW?
I personally (and i think most of us here would agree) don't have a problem with anyone asking "dumb" questions, if they haven't already been answered. the main issue is that most of the new posts are either "I didn't read the instructions and F*ed up my phone", "hey i heard this crazy rumor it must be true", "Can someone explain the same thing there are already 6 other topics about" and "how can we take X from this other phone and use it on mine". your questions are understandable and asking questions before you jump in saves a lot of headaches from having to fix something you tried without understanding it. and honestly, no need to be afraid to ask anything, worst case scenario someone like me *****es at you over the internet. who cares. =)
Ok so I got about 4 pages of hate from loads of trolls gathering on one thread just because I forgot to add credits which I know is something unacceptable but still after adding them I still got hate (i think their blind as well), so I removed the rom forgetting some people really liked it and want it. After removing I got 4 PMS to bring the rom back so I will start a new thread tomorrow morning for the rom, trolls not allowed
~Webstar1
Cool story bro
http://www.mediafire.com/?788p1wj8nnny6c4
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Cool story bro
http://www.mediafire.com/?788p1wj8nnny6c4
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People care enough to leak my rom
~Webstar1
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Ok so I got about 4 pages of hate from loads of trolls gathering on one thread just because I forgot to add credits which I know is something unacceptable but still after adding them I still got hate (i think their blind as well), so I removed the rom forgetting some people really liked it and want it. After removing I got 4 PMS to bring the rom back so I will start a new thread tomorrow morning for the rom, trolls not allowed
~Webstar1
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There was no hate, you used the work of minimum 10 people, who spent a lot of time in things "your rom" is based on. Maybe you should read your posts again and rethink. You are full of anger at the moment, please calm down and accept your fault. Yes, you spent time by yourself. But if everybody behaves like you at the moment, we can carry xda to it's grave. Consider that.
And finally, keep working, keep learning, keep mention other devs.
It wasn't about trolls&hate.. it was about you wanting credit for making a nice rom but not giving any credit to the people who facilitated what you made.
Doc's rom wasn't just something that just magically appeared through thin air, it took him time and effort, same with hardcore's kernel, sztupy's ultk, supercurio's colour and brightness fix, tayutama's extended menu.. and whoever else you 'borrowed' stuff from.
Next time i hope you are clear about what you have done i.e. themed doc's rom and added some stuff (be specific). The good thing about Doc's rom is that he makes it so it's highly customisable, nice and clean, so people can add what they want.
I can understand that you thought it was good to make it easier for people to use your themes, no one can fault you for that. I think it would have been better for you to make your changes to a stock rom and then learn about all the changes that those other guys made and add them bit by bit much in the same way as other roms developed.. but you took the easy way and borrowed their work without asking if you could or even crediting them for their hard work.
I guess you will know better next time.
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It wasn't about trolls&hate.. it was about you wanting credit for making a nice rom but not giving any credit to the people who facilitated what you made.
Doc's rom wasn't just something that just magically appeared through thin air, it took him time and effort, same with hardcore's kernel, sztupy's ultk, supercurio's colour and brightness fix, tayutama's extended menu.. and whoever else you 'borrowed' stuff from.
Next time i hope you are clear about what you have done i.e. themed doc's rom and added some stuff (be specific). The good thing about Doc's rom is that he makes it so it's highly customisable, nice and clean, so people can add what they want.
I can understand that you thought it was good to make it easier for people to use your themes, no one can fault you for that. I think it would have been better for you to make your changes to a stock rom and then learn about all the changes that those other guys made and add them bit by bit much in the same way as other roms developed.. but you took the easy way and borrowed their work without asking if you could or even crediting them for their hard work.
I guess you will know better next time.
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Agreed.
All everyone is saying is that you should have credited the devs who created the main stuff, cause i looked at your thread and i know you mean good for the community, but it looked like a mashup of Axura's ROM with others on the board.
Just mention names next time, non of this emotional XDA stuff will happen
Hi. Downloaded ultimate rom. really like it, but I am having one problem. The accelerometer is off. Left tilt is down, down tilt is left. Really messing up my games, and the screen rotate is frustrating. Tried searching, but couldn't find anything. Am I missing something?
Edit: I an also unable to get any games or videos and music to play sounds....
Okay. Got it figured out. Dl'd the captivate ported version. Works great now.
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Ironjoey said:
Okay. Got it figured out. Dl'd the captivate ported version. Works great now.
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Ironjoey said:
Hi. Downloaded ultimate rom. really like it, but I am having one problem. The accelerometer is off. Left tilt is down, down tilt is left. Really messing up my games, and the screen rotate is frustrating. Tried searching, but couldn't find anything. Am I missing something?
Edit: I an also unable to get any games or videos and music to play sounds....
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not the place to be posting ROM problems pal, that should be in the ROM thread.
Problem Solved. Running CM7 Build 40 (or later).
Do you have a condensed version of this post?
PS. My name is HondaCop and I approve this message.
Sounds like you've experienced a mix of software, firmware, and hardware issues and blamed them all on the ROM.
I use Fresh and can do everything that I read (didn't read the entire wall though, you may want to put in some Cliff notes for the lazy.)
I also run launcher pro.
So make one yourself, nothings stopping you, all the pieces and knowledge are free. Your post on here doesn't really serve a purpose.
Tried Calk's EViO 2, Myn's RLS5, Azrael X 2.1-3.1 over the 1st 3 months after I rooted, all had their various issues. Been on Vaelpak for over a month, love it! Dev is quick to respond to problems, even when they're caused by something in my setup. Currently on v 3.1 RC1 (update 2), v3.2 is right around the corner. Gets better every day!
Swyped on my VaelPak'd Supersonic EVO 4G...
It sounds like you want a rom that does what you want and the good news is...you can get it by making it yourself.
Expecting the devs to make something specifically to your tastes especially when most of it is done free of charge is a bit much to be asking.
If you can't make the rom you like on your own then you had better get cracking at fixing the rom with most of your wants working. You said so yourself you are too lazy to fix even a simple font issue yet you want the devs to make all your "i wants" possible. You should at least put in the effort to try to fix the little stuff (font for example) on your own before expecting the devs to do everything for you.
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I've tried about 10 ROM's over the past couples weeks and if I could put the best features of all them on one it would be great.
This is in no way a report on disatisfaction from efforts from chefs. They are all sharing there time and effort typically on something they want for themselves.
But it seems you have to give up something to get something else.
I'm hoping someone can shed some light on my issues. Like use ROM X but apply this fix or patch.
I know everybody has different criteria for a "Working ROM" some may feel it's critical that Music plays over bluetooth with the phone going half asleep. Another user may want it to look like an iPhone etc.
But I don't need much (IMHO) but I just can't seem to get there.
Keep in mind I could easily live with most of these ROMs. But when you see something working right on one ROM but want it on another you keep hoping you can find a ROM that does everything the way you want or you can make it do so.
What I say I need may be incomplete because some things I take for granted. Like the phone needs to work, LED's for pending messages need to work etc.
1) ASOP Contacts. Why? So I can Click on Navigate to Address with that contact open. If anyone knows how to make HTC Sense Contacts do this I'd love to know. It can only go to stupid Google Maps.
2) Voice and Google Search to Include Contacts (ideally near the top of the list). I think I may have found a reason why it varies. If you shut off "Search As I Type" it behaves much more the way I prefer and Contacts will come right to the top and if you hit search it will then do a google search.
3) BlueTooth. All I use is simple headset that has worked on TP2 and 5 phones before that. It randomly disconnects after a Voice Search. Then leaves Voice Search prompt stuck on screen. Many (All?) sense based ROMs do this. But CM7 ROMs do not.
3a) Bluetooth Volume Resetting. Some ROM's it gets stuck at a low volume. That I can increase each time but it keeps reverting.
4) Solid 100% GPS. All Sense based ROMs work great. CM7 based ones are crap.
5) Battery as good as Stock or better.
6) ESPT (is a very nice to have but not critical).
7) Don't care about 4G or Eye Candy. But I don't want it to be an Eye sore either.
8) As a poor mans confirmation on Voice Search. I noticed on some Rom if you just say Call Fred Smith (WITHOUT saying on mobile) it will prompt Fred Smith on Mobile or Home. This is great !! So at least you know you got the right person. Then you say Mobile (which it rarely gets wrong). It makes the call. This doesn't work on all ROM's.
9) Good support thread. Some ROMs have very little interaction with chef to help get answers and plugs for some things you'd like to see. Some have very good Chef support but and pounded with stupid chatter and you'd have to live in the thread full time to keep up. It's seems the better support a Chef does pulls in more folks that just want to chat about anything.
10) If Click Send Message from a Contact that could actually FILL the To: Phone Number. A lot of ROM's this doesn't work on. Some depend on a Cache that you have an ongoing thread.
I have not tried alternate kernels with Sense Based ROM's perhaps that would solve some bluetooth issues.
CM7 Build 38 looked promising at first glance. But it fell on its face with GPS. Yes I did all the silly tricks. It always finds location and locks quick. But it just refuses to update while navigating. Will occasionally get an update.
NonSense ROM was very close and I may end up going back to it and perhaps with different Kernels because it suffered from Bluetooth issues. Might be time to upgrade BT headset. It's worked so well for so long I hate to give it up.
These are all stock #15 Kernel with lastest Radio and PRL.
Myn - Over themed (Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder I guess) poor contrasts on Fonts. Yes fixable. But I'm too lazy.
NonSense - Bluetooth is really only issue. Battery about same as Stock.
CM7 BLD 38 - Missed calls GPS will lock but not update.
VP3.70 - This really looks quite good but I just didn't have the time to learn which freaken updates to apply. He leans on theming which is low priority for me.
Rainfreak - Not actually installed, he says he addressed bluetooth issues. But he removed EPST and some other critical Sense based things. Might be easy to put back. But he abandoned support
OMJ - I misspoke in other threads this is a pretty nice stock based ROM and I like his thinking. Fine tune the stock stuff. Currently running. Several of the issues listed above (3,3a, 8).
Sprintlovers - Too close to stock, why bother.
Calkulin - Had stability issues with 1.7.7 (even with undervolt removed). 1.8 seems to have fixed that but still has some of my common issues with Sense Based ROM's with none of the pluses of the Hybrid Sense/ASOP ROMs.
MiekFroyo - Too many ROM's I forget what issues I had but I'm sure in the list above.
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the bold part made me stop reading until i seen the part about miks roms ... HA its imho the fastest most stablest sense based rom out there !
about the lazy part please unroot your phone then ... lol to lazy to flash a simple file
CheesyNutz said:
the bold part made me stop reading until i seen the part about miks roms ... HA its imho the fastest most stablest sense based rom out there !
about the lazy part please unroot your phone then ... lol to lazy to flash a simple file
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I don't think his ROM would solve many of my issues any way. If I see a ROM "Over themed" then tend to have different priorities. And I don't want to spend time customizing it. I want one that starts close. Also if the doesn't see this a serious flaw then I suspect I would see other flaws.
Again, nothing against different chefs. Different strokes for different folks.
mswlogo said:
I've tried about 10 ROM's over the past couples weeks and if I could put the best features of all them on one it would be great.
This is in no way a report on disatisfaction from efforts from chefs. They are all sharing there time and effort typically on something they want for themselves.
But it seems you have to give up something to get something else.
I'm hoping someone can shed some light on my issues. Like use ROM X but apply this fix or patch.
I know everybody has different criteria for a "Working ROM" some may feel it's critical that Music plays over bluetooth with the phone going half asleep. Another user may want it to look like an iPhone etc.
But I don't need much (IMHO) but I just can't seem to get there.
Keep in mind I could easily live with most of these ROMs. But when you see something working right on one ROM but want it on another you keep hoping you can find a ROM that does everything the way you want or you can make it do so.
What I say I need may be incomplete because some things I take for granted. Like the phone needs to work, LED's for pending messages need to work etc.
1) ASOP Contacts. Why? So I can Click on Navigate to Address with that contact open. If anyone knows how to make HTC Sense Contacts do this I'd love to know. It can only go to stupid Google Maps.
2) Voice and Google Search to Include Contacts (ideally near the top of the list). I think I may have found a reason why it varies. If you shut off "Search As I Type" it behaves much more the way I prefer and Contacts will come right to the top and if you hit search it will then do a google search.
3) BlueTooth. All I use is simple headset that has worked on TP2 and 5 phones before that. It randomly disconnects after a Voice Search. Then leaves Voice Search prompt stuck on screen. Many (All?) sense based ROMs do this. But CM7 ROMs do not.
3a) Bluetooth Volume Resetting. Some ROM's it gets stuck at a low volume. That I can increase each time but it keeps reverting.
4) Solid 100% GPS. All Sense based ROMs work great. CM7 based ones are crap.
5) Battery as good as Stock or better.
6) ESPT (is a very nice to have but not critical).
7) Don't care about 4G or Eye Candy. But I don't want it to be an Eye sore either.
8) As a poor mans confirmation on Voice Search. I noticed on some Rom if you just say Call Fred Smith (WITHOUT saying on mobile) it will prompt Fred Smith on Mobile or Home. This is great !! So at least you know you got the right person. Then you say Mobile (which it rarely gets wrong). It makes the call. This doesn't work on all ROM's.
9) Good support thread. Some ROMs have very little interaction with chef to help get answers and plugs for some things you'd like to see. Some have very good Chef support but and pounded with stupid chatter and you'd have to live in the thread full time to keep up. It's seems the better support a Chef does pulls in more folks that just want to chat about anything.
10) If Click Send Message from a Contact that could actually FILL the To: Phone Number. A lot of ROM's this doesn't work on. Some depend on a Cache that you have an ongoing thread.
I have not tried alternate kernels with Sense Based ROM's perhaps that would solve some bluetooth issues.
CM7 Build 38 looked promising at first glance. But it fell on its face with GPS. Yes I did all the silly tricks. It always finds location and locks quick. But it just refuses to update while navigating. Will occasionally get an update.
NonSense ROM was very close and I may end up going back to it and perhaps with different Kernels because it suffered from Bluetooth issues. Might be time to upgrade BT headset. It's worked so well for so long I hate to give it up.
These are all stock #15 Kernel with lastest Radio and PRL.
Myn - Over themed (Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder I guess) poor contrasts on Fonts. Yes fixable. But I'm too lazy.
NonSense - Bluetooth is really only issue. Battery about same as Stock.
CM7 BLD 38 - Missed calls GPS will lock but not update.
VP3.70 - This really looks quite good but I just didn't have the time to learn which freaken updates to apply. He leans on theming which is low priority for me.
Rainfreak - Not actually installed, he says he addressed bluetooth issues. But he removed EPST and some other critical Sense based things. Might be easy to put back. But he abandoned support
OMJ - I misspoke in other threads this is a pretty nice stock based ROM and I like his thinking. Fine tune the stock stuff. Currently running. Several of the issues listed above (3,3a, 8).
Sprintlovers - Too close to stock, why bother.
Calkulin - Had stability issues with 1.7.7 (even with undervolt removed). 1.8 seems to have fixed that but still has some of my common issues with Sense Based ROM's with none of the pluses of the Hybrid Sense/ASOP ROMs.
MiekFroyo - Too many ROM's I forget what issues I had but I'm sure in the list above.
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I actually DID read the entire thing and everything you posted works in king's Ultra Froyo, for the most part
carhauler1969 said:
Tried Calk's EViO 2, Myn's RLS5, Azrael X 2.1-3.1 over the 1st 3 months after I rooted, all had their various issues. Been on Vaelpak for over a month, love it! Dev is quick to respond to problems, even when they're caused by something in my setup. Currently on v 3.1 RC1 (update 2), v3.2 is right around the corner. Gets better every day!
Swyped on my VaelPak'd Supersonic EVO 4G...
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I may just go to Vaelpak again (Definitely high on the list). I might just wait for V3.2. His updates are bit confusing. If they are primarily to fix "theme" issues I don't care. Again he has a high priority on Themes. That's fine, lot's folks love that stuff. I don't care about themes.
If VaelPak did some refinements on bluetooth (like Rainfreak said he did). Then it would be high on the list to try again. He spends lot of time on high resolution DPI stuff on themes. Just extra band with I need to sift through. But other threads say it's the Kernel that matters regarding bluetooth. That's not clear.
CheesyNutz said:
the bold part made me stop reading until i seen the part about miks roms ... HA its imho the fastest most stablest sense based rom out there !
about the lazy part please unroot your phone then ... lol to lazy to flash a simple file
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Also sense based Contacts is one of my major issues.
My favorite ROMs are the Hybrids that have some ASOP Gingerbread components that IMHO do it a little better even though not as Eye Candy-ish in some cases.
mswlogo said:
I may just go to Vaelpak again (Definitely high on the list). I might just wait for V3.2. His updates are bit confusing. If they are primarily to fix "theme" issues I don't care. Again he has a high priority on Themes. That's fine, lot's folks love that stuff. I don't care about themes.
If VaelPak did some refinements on bluetooth (like Rainfreak said he did). Then it would be high on the list to try again. He spends lot of time on high resolution DPI stuff on themes. Just extra band with I need to sift through. But other threads say it's the Kernel that matters regarding bluetooth. That's not clear.
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it is the kernel that matters for bluetooth.
i think its time for you to start learning how to make your own rom but wait your to lazy . i have a feeling no matter what anyone says here will be good enough for you .
enjoy rom hopping ill enjoy my 20 + hours of battery life with miks 4.5 and 17 hours on CM7
matt2053 said:
Sounds like you've experienced a mix of software, firmware, and hardware issues and blamed them all on the ROM.
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Lot of people with broken hardware then because I've seen many of the issues posted by other folks. In fact co-worked has rooted Droid II and he has some very similar issues. Only hardware that may have issues is my headset. But it worked perfect on TP2.
Part of the problems are Froyo 2.2 and some stupid limitation in Google Apps. Which is why I like Hybrid ROMs that have some Gingerbread 2.3 compoents that address some issues.
Full Gingerbread 2.3 ROMs are not ready for prime time yet (for me). I look forward to an official release.
BK553 said:
So make one yourself, nothings stopping you, all the pieces and knowledge are free. Your post on here doesn't really serve a purpose.
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I might, I used Calkulins Kitchen for TP2 and stuck with the same ROM for 7 or so months. But it did take months of F'in around with it to know what works well with what.
Trying to avoid that time sink. By the time I get it "right" Gingerbread 2.3 will probably be out and solve many issues.
HipKat said:
I actually DID read the entire thing and everything you posted works in king's Ultra Froyo, for the most part
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Thanks I had that on my list to look at.
CheesyNutz said:
i think its time for you to start learning how to make your own rom but wait your to lazy . i have a feeling no matter what anyone says here will be good enough for you .
enjoy rom hopping ill enjoy my 20 + hours of battery life with miks 4.5 and 17 hours on CM7
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Well I was kinda under the stupid assumption when I bought the EVO Android worked !!
Now I have to build my own ROM. Geesh.
Again I don't think my list is too demanding. Some issues are pet-peivish, I admit.
Stock battery life is fine with me.
CM7 battery is looking respectable. But the phone fell flat on it's face before it could make it through one battery cycle to really know. When EVERYONE says GPS works I may give CM7 another go. By then my guess is a leaked GingerBread 2.3 will be out.
mswlogo said:
Well I was kinda under the stupid assumption when I bought the EVO Android worked !!
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Last I checked it does work, maybe not how you want it to exactly, but work it does
Now I have to build my own ROM. Geesh.
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QQ
Again I don't think my list is too demanding. Some issues are pet-peivish, I admit.
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I'll address this in a bit
Stock battery life is fine with me.
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Then run stock...
CM7 battery is looking respectable. But the phone fell flat on it's face before it could make it through one battery cycle to really know. When EVERYONE says GPS works I may give CM7 another go. By then my guess is a leaked GingerBread 2.3 will be out.
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How did the phone fall flat on its face? GPS issues?
Basically what you're doing is you're "customering" the developers. You're wanting to take the best pieces of all of them and automagically jam pack them into one ROM completely tailored to your needs. The only way this is going to happen is if you dive in and start helping or you build your own ROM. This post would have served much better purposes had you asked if anyone knows of a ROM that does all of these functions instead of going out and slamming each ROM for what it doesn't have. Each dev is going to take their own work their own way and that's the end of the story. If you don't like it, you have a few options, do your own work or quit your *****ing. There are a lot of things that I would LOVE to see in CM but until I bust out my coding chops or start adding to the development table, there's not much I can really do except thank him for his work, donate, and be happy that there are a ton of people out there donating their time to making this **** better.
I've been having the same problem. Calkulin's is the closest I have come