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Can't use GPS with any application on Trinity

Hi All,
Looking for the help. I am desperate.
I purchased HTC Trinity and installed 20070418_RUU_Trinity_LVSW_WWE_1.25.0.8_GPS_AKU3.5.2 rom, which is excellent.
Using Radio Rom 1.41.00.11
However here is the problem. Trying to use GPS with either Windows Mobile Search or Google Maps.
Tried different setting for GPS, different baud rates, different hardware settings.
Nothing, both application can't find GPS.
Any ideas, help?
Tnx

Trinityhack3 has an option to enable GPS icon. Once done you can see that GPS is in your device and default settings are active. Then I used VisualGPSCE to verify GPS is there, there is a real time display of what satellites can be seen. You must change settings to select your GPS com port! Beeline GPS will find your GPS automatically but it is a 30-day trial.
Be patient, first fix can take 10-15 minutes even in clear skies.

Don't know about Mobile Search, but definitely Google Maps is NOT a GPS app. It's a paid service that doesn't use your internal GPS in any way. It has been answered before in this forum. Do some search. Probably it's same for Mobile Search too...

ww2250 said:
... Google Maps is NOT a GPS app. It's a paid service that doesn't use your internal GPS in any way...
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Google Maps is a paid service, only if you have to pay for the data connection you'll need to download the maps / images in realtime. Google Maps DOES support the internal GPS, however it's optional.
Give it time, the Trinity needs at least 10 minutes to get a fix after a soft reset. The default settings are COM9 115200 but I advise you to set it to the NMEA standard of 4800baud, just to avoid problems.
If you want to use more GPS apps at the same time, or use your Trinity as a USB or Bluetooth GPS mouse for your Mac/PC, I advise you Franson's Gpsgate.

ww2250 said:
Don't know about Mobile Search, but definitely Google Maps is NOT a GPS app. It's a paid service that doesn't use your internal GPS in any way. It has been answered before in this forum. Do some search. Probably it's same for Mobile Search too...
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Google maps does have a track location function that will use internal GPS to display current position on the map. In a supported area, and these are few, it does navigation also.

aeberbach said:
Trinityhack3 has an option to enable GPS icon. Once done you can see that GPS is in your device and default settings are active. Then I used VisualGPSCE to verify GPS is there, there is a real time display of what satellites can be seen. You must change settings to select your GPS com port! Beeline GPS will find your GPS automatically but it is a 30-day trial.
Be patient, first fix can take 10-15 minutes even in clear skies.
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I download VisualGPSCD and changed seeting. The good thing it is showing GPS is there!
The bad things still can't use GoogleMaps. I indeed pointing to COM9.
Any other ideas?

Did you give it enough time to give you a lat/long fix in VisualGPSCE? I have found once you do that Google Maps has no trouble else it can just not work.
Check "Track Location Settings" under Options in Google Maps too. I have mine set to "Set by Windows (Via Start -> Settings)". In Windows Mobile 6 I have in Settings (System tab) an icon called "External GPS". Programs is set to GPD1, hardware is COM9/115200 and Access is "manage GPS automatically (recommended).

aeberbach said:
Did you give it enough time to give you a lat/long fix in VisualGPSCE? I have found once you do that Google Maps has no trouble else it can just not work.
Check "Track Location Settings" under Options in Google Maps too. I have mine set to "Set by Windows (Via Start -> Settings)". In Windows Mobile 6 I have in Settings (System tab) an icon called "External GPS". Programs is set to GPD1, hardware is COM9/115200 and Access is "manage GPS automatically (recommended).
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Well, I did all this.
Other GPS software (e.g. IGO) is working, but not GoogleMaps. Strange ...
Any other ideas are welcome.
BTW have the same problem with Mobile Live Search (Microsoft mapping software).

aeberbach said:
Be patient, first fix can take 10-15 minutes even in clear skies.
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first fix means cold fix (for example the first of the day) or the first fix of the PDA???

Yes I mean cold start 10-15 minutes. Since that first long wait I have found it only takes 30 seconds-1 minute at worst.

hi,
same pb with me. I tried everything for vito astronavigator.
Nothing. I tried each settings in the apps: every com port, different baud.
normally when it sees the built in gps, you get a colored planete. here nothing.
With trinity i tried a fiew changes, with no success.
I knew that tomtom was famous for blocking other gps apps.
DO you have any clues or soft for this?

ednet75 said:
...I knew that tomtom was famous for blocking other gps apps.
DO you have any clues or soft for this?
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TomTom only blocks other apps when its actually running. Once you exit it releases the COM port. This is universal with apps that link to the physical COM port- only one app at a a time can access the GPS stream, unless you use an intermediary program like GPSGate.
With WM5, MS introduced the GPSIntermediary Driver (GPSID) which was supposed to allow multiple apps to access GPS at once by assigning a Virtual GPS COM port, but it didn't work properly until WM5 AKU3 was released; even then TomTom, and most other SatNav programs prefer to connect to the physical port.

i have found that new verson of wm mobile handle gps better, i use Mun rom and it seem to get alone fine with it,

GPS enable

Hi,
at this moment, i don't have internet access available.
I want to enable the GPS function (not A-GPS)
first of all, can GoogleMap use GPS to locate and find the routes? How?
I have tried the COM port and some other speed, but no luck.
or do i need another apps to have GPS enable.
In GoogleMap, it says searching for GPS, but (0)
Thanks

COM4, 4800baud or anything else, select "Use GPS", and go outside

Without data connection Google Maps wont show any map though, right?

Lindenia said:
Without data connection Google Maps wont show any map though, right?
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Right! So, without data connection, it's either a navigation app (TomTom, copilot, igo etc..) or some app that will show you your coordiantes and more (like nonigpsplot)

hi every one, In Google map, how can i save the map for the next time using? i tryed Navigator Map and Tracky but it seem does'nt work to save map for GM.Sorri for bad English.

Google map does save the maps in a cache folder. But even then, internet connection is always needed. It will just not download the tiles you already have.

/etc/jupiter.xml /etc/gps.conf and GPS fixing

did someone played with this file like change SUPL server or whatever in order to get GPS working better for fix ?
<!--HAL Confguration -->
<hal
acPortName="/dev/s3c2410_serial1" lBaudRate="115200" cLogEnabled="false" acLogDirectory="/data/gps/log/" ltoFileName="lto.dat"
enhanced-assisted="false" cp-enhanced-assisted="true" TISEnabled="false" RILEnabled="true" LPmode="false"

FIX FOUND: Speeding up GPS Lock??

Just wondering if anyone has discovered how to speed up the GPS lock time.
I am running shubCRAFT CM6RC2/Froyo/Themed V1.1 and while the GPS works the lock time is upto a few minutes.
In windows I will raise an eyebrow after 10 seconds.
I have seen the posts regarding both the latest libgps.so and updating the GPS file but not sure if thats the issue.
Is the GPS using GPSa?
From what I understand the QuickGPS is a map of satellite locations. The idea is once a single satellite is located then the GPS knows what other ones are in the area instead of blindly looking for all of them its just looks for a few. Still slow to find the first satellite.
GPS-a uses a local cell site to tell the GPS where it is. It can then use the QuickGPS to discover what satellites should be overhead and only looks for those. Nice quick lock times.
Are we using GPS-a?
The fix is not to update your gps.conf file and to use local NTP server settings. Whilst it is ideal to use local time servers this does not impact your phones retrieval of the GPS-A data. The time retrieved from the states is exactly the same as Australia.
UPDATE : The Fix
It looks like there maybe an issues with the way Android on HD2 downloads the GPS-A Data. If you download a Tool from the market place called GPS Status. You can use it to download the GPS-A data manually. BAMM. Fresh GPS locks in 3 seconds versus minutes before hand.
Not sure if this process logs any messages and assume it is a cron job but ideally needs some investigation.
Thanks

this has been covered already
Miyagi said:
Install "File Manager" and "Text Edit" (both are free from the market), then open "File Manager", go to "My Phone", (press Ok on warning), the go to /system, /etc and touch on "gps.conf", Open as, Text, and select "Text Edit".
Edit and use your country direction (pool.ntp.org), save and thats all.
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songokussm said:
i did not for for me at first. you need to use one of the following servers.
server 0.us.pool.ntp.org
server 1.us.pool.ntp.org
server 2.us.pool.ntp.org
server 3.us.pool.ntp.org
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I tried this yesterday and it works great. Change your NTP server to one of the following, if not in the US, look up your country.

Have questions.
Why is changing the time server improve the GPS lock speed. Both the existing server and the new server will provide the same results. Only difference is the reponse time in milliseconds?
Also can edit the file however cannot save it. File is read only.
Can you confirm the Text edit and File manager. There are mulitples in the market. Who are the authors?
Hmm. Readonly file system is going to cause an issue. Back to question 1

What rom are you using? I'm running mattc leo 1.4
File Manager by Adao Team
Text Edit by Paul Mach
I didn't have a problem saving, others reported issues. Try a different text editor.
As far as lock times, before I couldn't get any lock at all. After applying the update I walked outside, instant lock, tried inside, 3-4 second lock.

Thats the difference. I do get a lock but its slow.
I have just queried the north-america.pool.ntp.org server and compared the output to the query from 1.au.pool.ntp.org.
The results are the same. Changing the ntp server won't make a difference.
Now checking if there is some sort of other issue. Noticing dns does not work at console.

dusty_nz said:
Thats the difference. I do get a lock but its slow.
I have just queried the north-america.pool.ntp.org server and compared the output to the query from 1.au.pool.ntp.org.
The results are the same. Changing the ntp server won't make a difference.
Now checking if there is some sort of other issue. Noticing dns does not work at console.
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did you fill in 1 of the 4 below?:
server 0.us.pool.ntp.org
server 1.us.pool.ntp.org
server 2.us.pool.ntp.org
server 3.us.pool.ntp.org
You just choose one, for example: "0.us.pool.ntp.org"
Not "north-america.pool.ntp.org"
I had the exact same problem with super slow GPS lock, but i changed the ntp server to point to Canada (since i live in Canada) and my GPS lock was seconds.
I personally think it made a huge difference
**edit
Oh, and i used "Text Edit" and "Linda Manager" to do the changes.
I got the same error saying it was read-only, but it still saved the changes. You need to reboot into Android after you make the changes. After you reboot, just go back in with the File Manager and check if your changes are still there (they should be, even though you get the read-only error)
Then try your GPS lock again.
I use Google maps with Google Navigator and it locked in about 5 seconds.
You can also check your in Android "Settings" - "Location and Secrutiy" to have both "Use Wireless Networks" and "Use GPS Satellites" checked off

Gone further.
Installed a ntp client on the phone and tested both north-america.pool.ntp.org and 1.au.pool.ntp.org and both work and give the same response.
I am in australia so the au one is the pick. Using the shubCRAFT rom and the whole file system is readonly.
Need a windows tool to edit the img files. Any recommendations?
Still confused why the au one os better than the north american one. Both work. They are just time servers.

for some reason my gps.conf is blank. Can someone please post their content of this file for me? (Northeastern US region)
Many thanks

norman505 said:
for some reason my gps.conf is blank. Can someone please post their content of this file for me? (Northeastern US region)
Many thanks
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Check/Read this thread: http://ip208-100-42-21.static.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7410015

Update. See first post.

If GPS Status actually works to get AGPS going then that's great news. Having more accurate times by using local NTP servers does help lock times slightly, but real, working AGPS is the answer we want, and despite the SIPL setting in gps.conf, it doesn't look like it's working by default on the HD2.
EDIT: It looks like GPS Status grabs the AGPS data on launch for me, so all you need to do is setup Tasker to launch GPS Status whenever GPS is turned on and you should have instant lock. I'll test it out tomorrow when I get outside.

dusty_nz said:
Just wondering if anyone has discovered how to speed up the GPS lock time.
I am running shubCRAFT CM6RC2/Froyo/Themed V1.1 and while the GPS works the lock time is upto a few minutes.
In windows I will raise an eyebrow after 10 seconds.
I have seen the posts regarding both the latest libgps.so and updating the GPS file but not sure if thats the issue.
Is the GPS using GPSa?
From what I understand the QuickGPS is a map of satellite locations. The idea is once a single satellite is located then the GPS knows what other ones are in the area instead of blindly looking for all of them its just looks for a few. Still slow to find the first satellite.
GPS-a uses a local cell site to tell the GPS where it is. It can then use the QuickGPS to discover what satellites should be overhead and only looks for those. Nice quick lock times.
Are we using GPS-a?
The fix is not to update your gps.conf file and to use local NTP server settings. Whilst it is ideal to use local time servers this does not impact your phones retrieval of the GPS-A data. The time retrieved from the states is exactly the same as Australia.
UPDATE : The Fix
It looks like there maybe an issues with the way Android on HD2 downloads the GPS-A Data. If you download a Tool from the market place called GPS Status. You can use it to download the GPS-A data manually. BAMM. Fresh GPS locks in 3 seconds versus minutes before hand.
Not sure if this process logs any messages and assume it is a cron job but ideally needs some investigation.
Thanks
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It does help in my case, always under 30 seconds lock using MotoNav.
In my experience, if you succesfully lock ones without GPS Status, you should lock on the your GPS quickly again as long as you don't restart your phone. M2C's

Gps status works. Fix is very fast. It even works indoors if you are near the window and there is no big building in front of you.
I wrote about this some time ago.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=8366121&highlight=gps+status#post8366121
and
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=8366105&highlight=gps+status#post8366105
(I provided the links so you can check other posts in two similar threads)
new version of gps status downloads sat data directly on app startup. Or you can use quickgps in winmo and download the data and then android will also fix faster. Both software downoload gps sat data valid for 7 days. I think the downloaded data is also input to the gps chip. (not only just downloaded to internal memory/sd card)
I live in Turkey and ntp servers doesn't matter for me. Even us or north-america works fine. apgs data is needed for fast fix. Some people have empty gps.conf file. gpsonxtra lines are needed for downloading sat data.
This is my gps.conf file: (in /system/etc)
NTP_SERVER=europe.pool.ntp.org
XTRA_SERVER_1=http://xtra1.gpsonextra.net/xtra.bin
XTRA_SERVER_2=http://xtra2.gpsonextra.net/xtra.bin
XTRA_SERVER_3=http://xtra3.gpsonextra.net/xtra.bin
SUPL_HOST=supl.google.com
SUPL_PORT=7276
You can change your ntp server to us.pool.ntp.org or north-america.pool.ntp.org or yourcountrycode.pool.ntp.org

I went through the entire process.
Changed the NTP server to a local server. Tested the settings using the NTP client. Checked the download link worked. Data seemed valid.
Still would take over 1-3 minutes to get a lock. A second lock within 1/2 hour was quicker but after a few hours it was slow again.
Using GPS status. Sitting in my car. Powered on the phone. Fireed up Google and bank. 2-3 seconds it had my location.
Really happy.

Lock inside 10 sec, downloading agps data with Gps Status. Thx man!
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

dusty_nz said:
Just wondering if anyone has discovered how to speed up the GPS lock time.
I am running shubCRAFT CM6RC2/Froyo/Themed V1.1 and while the GPS works the lock time is upto a few minutes.
In windows I will raise an eyebrow after 10 seconds.
I have seen the posts regarding both the latest libgps.so and updating the GPS file but not sure if thats the issue.
Is the GPS using GPSa?
From what I understand the QuickGPS is a map of satellite locations. The idea is once a single satellite is located then the GPS knows what other ones are in the area instead of blindly looking for all of them its just looks for a few. Still slow to find the first satellite.
GPS-a uses a local cell site to tell the GPS where it is. It can then use the QuickGPS to discover what satellites should be overhead and only looks for those. Nice quick lock times.
Are we using GPS-a?
The fix is not to update your gps.conf file and to use local NTP server settings. Whilst it is ideal to use local time servers this does not impact your phones retrieval of the GPS-A data. The time retrieved from the states is exactly the same as Australia.
UPDATE : The Fix
It looks like there maybe an issues with the way Android on HD2 downloads the GPS-A Data. If you download a Tool from the market place called GPS Status. You can use it to download the GPS-A data manually. BAMM. Fresh GPS locks in 3 seconds versus minutes before hand.
Not sure if this process logs any messages and assume it is a cron job but ideally needs some investigation.
Thanks
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Purely outstanding! What a day! It appears there is a fix for the data connection issue and now this fix!

i am trying to make tasker run gps status and update agps data when the phone turns on and boots into android. ideally i'd like this operation to happen in the background and silently.... what are the steps to program tasker to operate in this way? i've never used tasker before.
is downloading the agps data on android boot really worth it, or should i just continue running gps status before i use navigation?

Sadly, I have never gotten compass or quick GPS lock working. I have tried these things as well (changing NTP server, installing GPS Status), several times, on several builds, on 3 different HD2's. Never worked.
On one HD2 I would get a GPS lock after 2-5min. On the other I could not get a lock at all.
Maybe someone in the US can post the contents of their gps.conf?

Tapping "reset" first in gps status app's manage agps settings then tapping download seems to work much better.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

Tried. Failed.
Edited the text, now it's blank and I can't re-edit it or copy over my back-up.
EDIT: Let gps lock on. The file is now back to normal, but I can't edit it.

[Q] Access lbstestmode without dialers

Can someone please tell me how to access lbstestmode without the dialer. I have tried anycut, sgs tools, it doesnt cut, I dont see an option for lbs on my sprint tab. I am almost on the verge of editing the secgps.conf file manually to enter the optimum values. There used to be a program lbstestmodelaunch cant find it in the market anymore.
On a side note I have tried Faster Fix, it just changed one line in my gps.conf file and added goole as the server.
Can someone help me on how to access lbstestmode on my sprint tab.
Thanks