So, im just wondering, does anyone else think the Incredible is dying? I was at Verizon yesterday (black friday) and the reps didnt even show customers the incredible, nor did anyone look at it. And there were about a good 20 customers who walked in the store and looked at the Droid section while I was there. Verizon doesnt really market the Incredible either. The only place where the Inc is alive is in the forums.
Forums are showing down the past month or so.. I dunno, like any phone product, it has it's 6-9 months of fame.
It may still have a legacy like G1 or N1..
I do not think so....It is still a solid device and those who know about it will find it. I do not see it going out but I do see that there is a FLOOD of devices on the market that the consumers are just overwhelmed with what to buy and which device is right. For my mother, this would be too much to process...
Let me add this I knew all about the DINC before I ever with the VZW to play with one and the knowledge of the salesman trying to tell me about the device was awful. If I had based my first experience on buying the device from him I would have walked away from the DINC. The salesman have a big play in it to know the devices and then know how to determine what the buyers wants & then find the right devices to show....other than pushing the newer devices that are now on the floor....
My two cents
The biggest problem with the DINC is the battery life and originally availability due to AMOLED screens. I think the Droid X and Fasicinate took over for the DINC. I do like the phone but when you are up against SAMOLED and the battery life of Moto devices it is a tough sell.
After trying the droid 2 global for about a week it got returned for a dinc. Out of all the phones verizon offers this device is my favorite by far. It will have a long life albeit not a very hyped one.
Yeah, I mean I love it (the batter life and my battery door squeaking for no reason kind if ticks me off though ), but u almost want to get the original Droid (love cyanogen) for the build quality. I don't even care about the keyboard. But yeah, It sucks because the only HTC device anyone knows about is the evo. They really should really launch the Inc.
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I do not think so....It is still a solid device and those who know about it will find it. I do not see it going out but I do see that there is a FLOOD of devices on the market that the consumers are just overwhelmed with what to buy and which device is right. For my mother, this would be too much to process...
Let me add this I knew all about the DINC before I ever with the VZW to play with one and the knowledge of the salesman trying to tell me about the device was awful. If I had based my first experience on buying the device from him I would have walked away from the DINC. The salesman have a big play in it to know the devices and then know how to determine what the buyers wants & then find the right devices to show....other than pushing the newer devices that are now on the floor....
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Yeah man..I was at the store the other day and was telling people to buy the Inc behind sales reps backs ha
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True, battery life kinda sucks, so get a bigger battery. But how many other phones are there out there with all of these ROM choices? Aren't the new phones coming out with locked bootloaders? When will the era of "s-off" Smartphones end? Personally, I think Verizon has seen enough, and they are going to put a stop to ROM hacking & flashing. Perhaps they have gotten smart about replacing bricked phones. If so, the Droid Incredible will be one of the last really decent hackable phones. Oh sure, you may be able to "root" your new phones, but just try to hack an ENCRYPTED bootloader sometime...so that you can flash your own ROM. I think the days of ROM flashing are coming to an end. That's why the Droid Incredible (with s-off) is never going to die.
Well that's what I mean, in xda and in the forums I think the incredible has a long time to go. But in the consumers mind, I feel like its a gonner. Which is a shame.
And if they keep locking boot loaders I might have to switch to webOS, if Palm is still alive by then.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but, wasn't there a law passed recently that allowed consumers who purchased a phone the right to root/unlock/jailbreak it without voiding the warranty? I thought I read this somewhere but I may be mistaken. Also, I think it's a crime that we can't do what we want to the phones WE PURCHASED! If I'm paying $200 for the phone plus well over $100/month to use MY phone I should be able to root it if I want. Also, I'm not even rooted yet so I'm not biased by any means. I just think if you buy something it's yours and you should be able to do whatever you want with it.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but, wasn't there a law passed recently that allowed consumers who purchased a phone the right to root/unlock/jailbreak it without voiding the warranty? I thought I read this somewhere but I may be mistaken. Also, I think it's a crime that we can't do what we want to the phones WE PURCHASED! If I'm paying $200 for the phone plus well over $100/month to use MY phone I should be able to root it if I want. Also, I'm not even rooted yet so I'm not biased by any means. I just think if you buy something it's yours and you should be able to do whatever you want with it.
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The problem with tampering with it is obvious, people brick their phones. this of course causes verizon problems which is why they void the warranty. verizon shouldn't have to replace a phone for you because you messed with settings capable of rendering your phone useless. i'm rooted and all but that is just my opinion on it. you can do whatever you want but they aren't responsible for you messing up your own phone.
The law says that you have the rights to mess with your phone without being sued under the DMCA y the manufacturer for reverse engineering, decrypting, etc... the law does not guarantee you the ability or the access to do it, nor that the company has to fix what you broke during the process, just that it's no longer illegal for you to try.
The device has been out for 7 months. I honestly think that the fact that Verizon's still even advertising it is surprising. Normal "life" for a device like this is only a few months.
i think this too, if it wasnt for the AMOLED shortage, the inc could have surpassed any phone Verizon could offer. also, i agree with the fact that verizon doesnt advertise it as much as it should be, the phone has MUCH potential. i think its just verizon's fault :/
When I first got my Incredible a few months back, Verizon was ramping up their advertising campaign for the Droid X. At that time, I don't recall seeing any advertisements for the Inc (in any medium).
Now, all these months later, there are a few commercials for the Inc that I see playing fairly regularly on TV. I haven't paid enough attention to see if stores are also advertising it out front or not.
In any regard, it seems that Verizon is making a push for better public knowledge of this phone. Sure, it will eventually phase out like any other, but based on advertising, that doesn't seem to be the current trend.
I have two friends who recently (within the last two weeks) purchased Incs. One is a very educated consumer, the other barely can tell a phone from her shoes. Not sure what sold her on it, but it seems that they are still being 'pushed' to some degree.
My brother was in the Verizon store last week and commented that they were very short on Incredibles. The sales associate told him that they had recently been selling a lot of them.
Besides the TV ads, I realize that most of what I just said is completely anecdotal. Take it for what it's worth, but I think the Inc still has some time to go.
Of course, you could use all of my same points to make the opposite argument: that they are pushing them hard now so they can clear space for upcoming models (especially for the holiday season).
Guess we'll just have to wait and see.
I still see commercials for Inc.
I saw a Best Buy Black Friday ad for the Inc.
My uncle came by the house a day or two ago showing off a brand new Inc he got that week.
Nearly every model has it's rise and fall, and I'm fine with that so long as there's a decent community for the DInc that we see advancements in roms and such. MIUI is what I use and it's picking up good theme developers now with the new theming system, so regardless if the phone is losing populatity, there's enough people to provide rich content for a while.
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So I keep reading how the nexus one is having mediocre sales (about 20,000 a month), and I can't help but think: would this be the case if it were offered on verizon wireless. I currently own a droid eris for verizon and and am patiently waiting to get updated to 2.1, but would pony up 500 bucks to simply jump right into a much better hand set, not that the eris is bad, the nexus one just kicks ass.
so my questions: How many people aren't buying nexus one's simply because their waiting for it on the verizon network?
I thought it was 20,000/week, either way, I think the slow sales have a multitude of factors, being online only is definitely the biggest I think. A lot of people go into stores and look at phones and end up buying one there, without this one on one experience a lot of people that don't really know much about phones will never be exposed to one. T-Mobile being the only carrier is definitely another factor, I think their sales will increase once it hits Verizon and Vodaphone, but probably nothing crazy from Verizon. Once again I think not being in stores will hurt them because none of the sales people in the store are going to tell people they should go online and look at the Nexus One when they have the chance to sell them something like the Droid right there in the store. Also, when a customer see's the Droid, is the average consumer going to notice the differences between the Nexus One and Droid? What's an extra 400mhz to the average joe. Maybe just my opinion, but if Google really want's to move these things to people aside from the technofiles they need them in stores in front of everyday customers. Who knows, maybe they'll gain more traction as more people start to hear about the Nexus and google.com/phone but I still think without putting them in peoples faces at stores they're not gonna throw up the legendary numbers they could with a phone of this quality.
Yeah...maybe if they give the N1 owners some bigger bullets. I mean...I don't mind sharing (I actually do)...but why give everyone 2.1? That gives the N1 owners nothing special. Unless GooG's got something special in store for us.
Plus I think Google didn't advertise the N1 because they just wanted to get their feet wet in the game. We da Guinea Pigs!
Anyway, when Verizon get the N1...they'll do more of those Bad Ass commercials they made for the Droid.
its gotten some pretty bad press during the release. Alot of issues and problems that couldnt be fixed with live help.
I remember the first release week i had about 10 or so calls a day into my tmobile store of very angry n1 owners saying this or that doesnt work.
And even more people comming in and asking if they could look at one or asking why they arent able to upgrade to an n1.
Even as a employee i felt kinda cheesed that i couldn't get the n1 for my normal employee tmobile phone discount.
I think people are waiting for few things.
Either for it to come to stores and for it to have live customer service, or for all the bugs be fixed.
i expect it to sell a lot better when its on more carriers and all the issues have been worked out
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It was 20,000/week or 80,000/month. Really not bad & impressive considering how it was marketed. Once the N1 goes global, then I think the numbers will sky rocket!
http://m.examiner.com/exSanFrancisco/pm_75809/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=WzckuLg6
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I can accept that story or some other form it. I mean, it is out in Europe and has been for some time. And they have been dropping new phones with 2.2 for a while now. Why wouldn't these A-holes release it in the States. Can't imagine they have been testing the firmware for the past 7 months.
I have the epic and our update got delayed too. I knew it had something to do some bs like this but why would they delay the epic update because it already has sprint 4g in it. They could be upgrading their wimax to lte or coming out with the bidder screen model with the super amoled plus screen and they will launch that with froyo and leave ours in the dust. I guess we will find out on the 3rd of feb at sprints special event
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I thought maybe Samsung was going to just skip 2.2 and release a 2.3 update because Samsung is already running 2.3 on their Nexus S.
I was actually going to buy an Epic tomorrow.
But, if this article is true, I am going to "devalue" Samsung and not buy their product.
[email protected] them if they are making existing customers suffer because of their greed.
Honestly, this is probably true. I know this sucks, but companies like this value their earnings more than their customers. Those of us who have been eagerly awaiting Froyo are in the minority, and they know that most of the people who own these devices couldn't care less about it.
This will probably be the last Samsung phone that I will ever buy, I'd rather give my money to a company which values their customers and provides customers with timely information regarding updates and the like.
This reminds me of the initial warnings about previous samsung devices and the lack of updates when the epic first came out. Although this is the best sprint phone I have owned to date I still wonder if I should have taken those warnings a little more seriously!
Yes I heard complaints in the past about Samsung's poor phone support but I still got the Epic. Mostly because my old phone (HTC Touch) died and it was going to cost $100 for a replacement (thanks lame Sprint insurance). So I just decided to get a new phone and compared to the Evo, the Epic seemed like the much better option. After experiencing Samsung's greed and lack of support for their existing products, I'm going back to HTC next go round.
Let's kill!
Agree. This most likely would've been the last Samsung phone I bought. This pretty much seals the deal.
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For my next phone I'm going to do exactly what I did with this phone. Find out what the best phone is.. check the phones out.. and go with the one that is the best. Right now, even after the Evo 4G Shift was released, the Epic and other Galaxy S phones are still the best phone. I have friends with the Evo, Droid X, MyTouch.. and I can safely say that I have the best phone. Those phones have 2.2, but I wouldn't THINK about switching to them. Do I want 2.2? Of course. I have it now thanks to custom roms but of course it kinda aggravates me that there is no official release of 2.2 yet. But that is ok. If I had a choice between a laptop with a Intel i3 running Windows 7 and a Intel i7 running Windows Vista (or even XP), I would take the i7.
In my opinion, company tactics will forever aggravate us users. Throwing around other company names like HTC as the company that will be this "knight in shining armor" will only dissappoint you in the future. I have had 3 HTC phones previously and without a doubt, I can say that they are definitely not beyond screwing their customers over. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it is right, but I'm saying that it is not uncommon. The day that these companies become non-profit organizations is the day you will see them put customers first.. I'm not holding my breath.
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For my next phone I'm going to do exactly what I did with this phone. Find out what the best phone is.. check the phones out.. and go with the one that is the best. Right now, even after the Evo 4G Shift was released, the Epic and other Galaxy S phones are still the best phone. I have friends with the Evo, Droid X, MyTouch.. and I can safely say that I have the best phone. Those phones have 2.2, but I wouldn't THINK about switching to them. Do I want 2.2? Of course. I have it now thanks to custom roms but of course it kinda aggravates me that there is no official release of 2.2 yet. But that is ok. If I had a choice between a laptop with a Intel i3 running Windows 7 and a Intel i7 running Windows Vista (or even XP), I would take the i7.
In my opinion, company tactics will forever aggravate us users. Throwing around other company names like HTC as the company that will be this "knight in shining armor" will only dissappoint you in the future. I have had 3 HTC phones previously and without a doubt, I can say that they are definitely not beyond screwing their customers over. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it is right, but I'm saying that it is not uncommon. The day that these companies become non-profit organizations is the day you will see them put customers first.. I'm not holding my breath.
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I couldn't have said this better. I had debated typing this up earlier but you beat me to it. Great minds think alike
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As Lee Corso would say, 'not so fast my friend.' Before I scooped my Epic, I had the HTC Touch (the original way old Vogue) and the ppc6700 (the silver brick) before that. I never had any issues with software other than crappy windows mobile but when it came to updates and/or support, I was happy. Hardware was on point as well. Samsung Galaxy has been a major disappointment for me having owner various Samsung products and knowing that their hardware is excellent. Still think the Epic is terrific. Just disappointed at all the troubles that customers have experienced across the entire Galaxy lineup.
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I couldn't have said this better. I had debated typing this up earlier but you beat me to it. Great minds think alike
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This page has more detailed information on the T-Mobile leaked rumor:
...Trust me when I tell you, we had an update for the original G1, and HTC begged us not to. In 75% of the cases known to me in my [time] here and my [time] dealing with Android I will say that honestly most upgrade hold offs were the Manufacturer and NOT us as some believe. But we catch the flack.
I am tired. [redacted] I am up to here with Samsung. They pulled the same thing with the Behold 2 that I MYSELF had to clean up and caught wind over. The update to 2.1 update 1 is existant...
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If true, this shows how completely and utterly out of touch Samsung's executives are with reality.
First of all, the whole theory that a 2.2-Vibrant(non-4G) would "devalue" the 4G. EVEN IF the only difference between the old and new Vibrant were the front camera and 4G, how many users likely to notice or care about whether or not the current Vibrant has 2.2 would *honestly* choose to buy the old model instead of the new one, even if it were a $50 difference between the two? People who buy $50 phones or wait months to get an old model on closeout for "free" with 2-year contract aren't the people who buy phones like the Epic, Vibrant, and the rest of the Galaxy S family. People in "our" category might ******* about a $50 difference... but we'll pay it anyway, because we know that if we don't, we'll be miserable and regret it daily for the next year or two.
Ditto, for customers who already own a Vibrant. In the entire United f***ing States, there *might* be 10,000 Vibrant owners who'll dump one and buy a Vibrant4G at full retail just to get 4G and/or the front camera. And I'll bet that a hefty subset of that group are T-Mobile employees whose "full" cost (after employee discount) is roughly what the rest of us would pay for a subsidized phone with contract, anyway. Now, having satisfied that group... how many more existing Vibrant customers do they REALLY think they're going to get by withholding 2.2 from owners of older Vibrants? Especially considering the abundance of custom ROMs.
The rationale becomes even more absurd when you consider the case of withholding 2.2 from Epic4G owners. I'm sure if you combed America hard enough, you might find a few Epic4G owners who'd dump it, pay the ETF to Sprint, switch to T-Mobile, and buy a Vibrant4G... but scratch a bit deeper, and I'd bet a major body part that the overwhelming majority of THAT group consists of users who probably wanted to switch anyway, and the existence of the Vibrant4G was more of an enabling excuse and rationale than an actual *reason*.
Companies like Samsung just don't seem to "get it". Consumers might chuck a $25 mp3 player to buy a newer, cooler one in 4 months. Statistically NOBODY chucks an expensive pocket computer whose marginal replacement cost exceeds $400 for an incremental improvement 4-6 months down the line. The closest ANY phone has probably come to motivating early switching was the Evo, and that was basically because the Evo was roughly twice as good as the Hero in almost every meaningful way, and worse in basically none. Users MIGHT be induced to switch early for 10x faster data, twice the cpu speed, 50% more resolution on a screen nearly twice the size, and a lot more ram. Users are NOT going to casually switch because one has 2.2 and one is officially stuck at 2.1... they're just going to root, reflash, and promise their deity of choice that they'll never buy another Samsung phone again.
If anything, T-Mobile is the biggest loser, because if true, this means that Samsung is effectively doing its best to devalue T-Mobile's inventory of existing unsold Vibrants. Now, if T-Mobile charges $10/month more for 4G service, that might merit trying harder to induce otherwise-indifferent new purchasers to go with the 4G model instead of the old model... but if it's the same price per month for service, it's to T-Mobile's own advantage to all but encourage new customers who are indifferent between the two to go with the old one... it's one less phone for T-Mobile to write off as a loss and send to a spare parts warehouse to gather dust until it ends up in a landfill or gets dumped on a new penny-pinching customer who only cares that it's "free" with 2-year contract, and one fewer customer who'll start abusing youtube as a source of free in-car music on demand (soaking up lots of bandwidth in the process).
This is the kind of logic that leaves me wondering how some big corporations can even stay in business. I worked for one a couple of years ago where we were ordered to *immediately* dispose of a hundred or so old laptops -- at a cost of $250 apiece -- instead of keeping them piled on a few shelves in a storage room in case we came up with a good use for them someday (like using them as thin clients for call center operators... something we had, in fact, done before). The executive rationale? The accountants complained that they were "costing" us $5,000/month to store based on the square-foot value of the space they were taking up in the closet, and somebody's wet dream fantasies about the value of that space. The thing is, we were about ~15 employees in a warehouse-like facility almost a square city block in size that was 95% empty (built during the dotcom boom, then the company was stuck with it due to a glut of similar buildings nearby). So, we burned $25,000 in the name of emptying off a 4x6 foot steel shelving unit, basically to humor the delusional fantasies of a faceless borg more concerned with a checklist item than getting actual work done and bringing in revenue. Madness. Pure, faceless, bureaucratically-driven out of control insanity.
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For my next phone I'm going to do exactly what I did with this phone. Find out what the best phone is.. check the phones out.. and go with the one that is the best. Right now, even after the Evo 4G Shift was released, the Epic and other Galaxy S phones are still the best phone. I have friends with the Evo, Droid X, MyTouch.. and I can safely say that I have the best phone. Those phones have 2.2, but I wouldn't THINK about switching to them. Do I want 2.2? Of course. I have it now thanks to custom roms but of course it kinda aggravates me that there is no official release of 2.2 yet. But that is ok. If I had a choice between a laptop with a Intel i3 running Windows 7 and a Intel i7 running Windows Vista (or even XP), I would take the i7.
In my opinion, company tactics will forever aggravate us users. Throwing around other company names like HTC as the company that will be this "knight in shining armor" will only dissappoint you in the future. I have had 3 HTC phones previously and without a doubt, I can say that they are definitely not beyond screwing their customers over. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it is right, but I'm saying that it is not uncommon. The day that these companies become non-profit organizations is the day you will see them put customers first.. I'm not holding my breath.
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I agree with you and I really love my Epic BUT.... I can't help wondering how much better the phone would be with the upgrade.
Also Im sure this has been posted but this is an interesting read rating carriers and manufacturers on their upgrade rate.
looks to be true. This is on the front page of yahoo news.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/216716/samsung_blocking_ota_update_on_tmobile.html
Also made it to Slashdot!
http://it.slashdot.org/story/11/01/13/2334213/Is-Samsung-Blocking-Updates-To-Froyo
And PC World:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/216716/samsung_blocking_ota_update_on_tmobile.html
I have a feeling some people at Samsung are having a very bad day indeed.
Nexus S reboot problem:
Google Nexus S, google's second handset is in the limelight for wrong reasons this time. Looks like, the nexus S handsets are randomly rebooting atleast once every 48 hours, usually during a voice call! Google has officially confirmed this bug in their support forum. All the handsets that has been updated to the latest version of gingerbread (Android 2.3.1/GRH78) are affected by this bug.
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User's post from Slashdot story:
The real reason they are stonewalling on the 2.2 update for Vibrant is this: When they released the 2.2 update for the Vibrant in Canada, the update worked fine for a week or two, and then like clockwork bricked a huge percentage of the phones that updated. And when I say bricked, I'm not being liberal with that word, after a week or so running the Samsung 2.2 update, the SD card would become corrupt, and recovery mode would be unable to format it. My wife and I both have Vibrants, and it happened to them both one day apart. Samsung has been silent on the matter. Not surprising they'd avoid moving sending the 2.2 update out to US Vibrant owners, and also not surprising that they're refusing to explain why. Bell at least is fixing them, but lots of people on the XDA forum are saying their "repaired" phones are bricking again in short order.
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Samsung's official response to CNET's query about the rumor:
Samsung Mobile does not comment on rumors or speculation. With regard to the Froyo update, we recently issued the following statement: "Samsung feels it is important to make the Android 2.2/Froyo upgrade available only after we feel that we can give the millions of U.S. Galaxy S owners a simple and reliable upgrade experience. Due to the complexity and unique functionality of each Galaxy S device, we are performing additional testing and are working to make the Android 2.2/Froyo upgrade available to all U.S. Galaxy S owners, including the Samsung Vibrant, as soon as possible.
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Just to add to this conversation --> Just got off a chat with Sprint and I kept asking them about Froyo for the Epic. Everytime I mentioned it, the Sprint rep would direct me to Samsung and it's their fault. I think they got mad that I kept asking and pushing the subject, that they said they could no longer help me on the chat and gave me Samsung's number to call.
Looking at Samsung's facebook account, there a bunch of people complaining about this issue. Hopefully all this pressure will make Samsung cave in. *crosses fingers*
I call bull****.
Having come from the Crackberry world, this sort of stuff happens all the time. A supposed "reliable source" will leak some sort of story, the fringe enthusiast sites get wind of it and generates chatter and it eventually gets picked up by a naive journalist with a lazy editor and it gets put up as "legit" news which then causes a feedback loop which causes the internet to explore.
The example that comes to mind is the OS 4.7.0.113 update for the Blackberry Storm 9530 on Verizon, a leaked OS that "reliable sources" claimed was going to be the next official update but wasn't. It made it to PC World as well:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/163056/blackberry_storm_to_get_firmware_update.html
And it was 100% bull****. So I wouldn't give this rumor much credence.
The explanation of not wanting to take the wind out of the sails of the Vibrant 4G is irrelevant to other Galaxy S models where there is no similar Osbourne effect - such as with the Epic 4G.
My guess is that the actual explanation is much more mundane. Given the problem with Froyo bricking Vibrants, I would bet dollars to donuts that Samsung got super gunshy and their slow approach to Froyo updates to smaller markets is nothing more than a widespread, low-risk beta test to make sure their code is up to snuff before risking releasing an unstable update to the larger, litigious American Galaxy S userbases.
So I have seen from several people around the thread that they were able to get a Nexus S 4g as a replacement for their OG EVo. I was wondering what would be some specific reasons to receive this replacement or what I would need to say to tech support.
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I'm wondering this as well.
i just bought one for $220 on Craigslist. now i have the evo and the nexus. best of both worlds!
You must meet these four criteria
1 be on a replacement..at least once
2 convince them that you can not leave the house for a period of time...i said I was sick and couldn't leave the house
3 the phone had problems that are mostly specific to gingerbread...ex force closes and random reboots
4 say you've talked to a manager and they said a nexus s could be a replacement
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You must meet these four criteria
1 be on a replacement..at least once
2 convince them that you can not leave the house for a period of time...i said I was sick and couldn't leave the house
3 the phone had problems that are mostly specific to gingerbread...ex force closes and random reboots
4 say you've talked to a manager and they said a nexus s could be a replacement
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Not true. I simply went to a.service center because of problems with a charging port. They checked it out and verfied it was bad. When they went to order a replacement the nexus s came up as an option so I took it. Take this forewarning, signal on the nexus is horrible, even with the 2.3.5 update.
tapa tapa tapa
Just called Sprint today and got them to send me a Ns4G. All I did was explain to them how terribly unhappy I was with my EVO since the GB update. I might have exaggerated a few issues but they hooked me with the nexus and a nib at that! The "adavanced" tech support guy told me they have gotten tons of complaints about the EVO since the update. He also mention that another update was going to offered for the nexus starting on the 5th, said it was supposed to resolve the radio and battery issues......anyone hear of that? Anyway, since I have had bad reception since the GB update for my evo, I guess I might still have to deal with that......oh well, at least I'll have root again!
ahhhhhh.......going todash.........
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Just called Sprint today and got them to send me a Ns4G. All I did was explain to them how terribly unhappy I was with my EVO since the GB update. I might have exaggerated a few issues but they hooked me with the nexus and a nib at that! The "adavanced" tech support guy told me they have gotten tons of complaints about the EVO since the update. He also mention that another update was going to offered for the nexus starting on the 5th, said it was supposed to resolve the radio and battery issues......anyone hear of that? Anyway, since I have had bad reception since the GB update for my evo, I guess I might still have to deal with that......oh well, at least I'll have root again!
ahhhhhh.......going todash.........
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Will you tell me who you called, and if you asked for some specific department, or what you said to receive the Nexus instead of going to the store or getting a replacement evo? When I call they send me to the tech guys and they say that I need to bring it in to a store or they will do a hard reset. So i guess im wondering how you convinced the tech guy to send a Nexus?
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Will you tell me who you called, and if you asked for some specific department, or what you said to receive the Nexus instead of going to the store or getting a replacement evo? When I call they send me to the tech guys and they say that I need to bring it in to a store or they will do a hard reset. So i guess im wondering how you convinced the tech guy to send a Nexus?
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Why are you trying to scam a new phone? Total douche move IMO.
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Why are you trying to scam a new phone? Total douche move IMO.
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Because it's a total douche move of Sprint and HTC to lock the gingerbread bootloader. The Evo is the phone that made sprint relevant, and now for whatever reason a year into its lifespan it becomes LESS moddable instead of more? I approve of the action of trying to dump the evo based on this alone. They have to learn that these devices are ours to mess with, not theirs to lock down.
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Because it's a total douche move of HTC to lock the gingerbread bootloader. The Evo is the phone that made sprint relevant, and now for whatever reason a year into its lifespan it becomes LESS moddable instead of more? I approve of the action of trying to dump the evo based on this alone. They have to learn that these devices are ours to mess with, not theirs to lock down.
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Now that I corrected your post, since Sprint isn't the one that wanted the bootloader locked, I have a solution to this thread:
Buy one.
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Now that I corrected your post, since Sprint isn't the one that wanted the bootloader locked, I have a solution to this thread:
Buy one.
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I agree with you in that usually the answer is don't be a freeloader and just buy the stuff you want. But consider this analogy: I buy a used car, and it worked fine, then I modified it by giving it good tires, suspension, engine upgrades, and made it completely my own. I don't expect the car to be under warranty at all because I've now made it my own, but I do have insurance. My car is crashed into, insurance replaces my car. But now, for some god damn reason when I get the car back, every bolt has a lock on it that I can't get the keys for. I BOUGHT this car originally, but now I can't modify it the way I like, when originally I very specifically went out and bought this kind of car because I CAN modify it? You can't sell someone something, then change what that something is.
A lot of us bought evos because we can modify them. And **** happens, phones get lost and dropped and whatever, that's why we have insurance. But the new evos that they get replaced with do not have the functionality that we want them to have. And they're being replaced with ****ty rebuilt evos, the worst of all worlds. So I see no problem with wanting something comparable, IF you're paying for the insurance and they're replacing the insured device with something that has less functionality. So I do very much agree, that scamming Sprint to get a free new phone is very shady and scummy. But if the product being replaced is less functional than the original, I see no problem with a "side-grade," a comparable device that costs them no more money to replace than the original device, being that they sell for the same amount. Ya feel me?
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Will you tell me who you called, and if you asked for some specific department, or what you said to receive the Nexus instead of going to the store or getting a replacement evo? When I call they send me to the tech guys and they say that I need to bring it in to a store or they will do a hard reset. So i guess im wondering how you convinced the tech guy to send a Nexus?
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Seriously I spent 3 hours on the phone and got nowhere.
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I agree with you in that usually the answer is don't be a freeloader and just buy the stuff you want. But consider this analogy: I buy a used car, and it worked fine, then I modified it by giving it good tires, suspension, engine upgrades, and made it completely my own. I don't expect the car to be under warranty at all because I've now made it my own, but I do have insurance. My car is crashed into, insurance replaces my car. But now, for some god damn reason when I get the car back, every bolt has a lock on it that I can't get the keys for. I BOUGHT this car originally, but now I can't modify it the way I like, when originally I very specifically went out and bought this kind of car because I CAN modify it? You can't sell someone something, then change what that something is.
A lot of us bought evos because we can modify them. And **** happens, phones get lost and dropped and whatever, that's why we have insurance. But the new evos that they get replaced with do not have the functionality that we want them to have. And they're being replaced with ****ty rebuilt evos, the worst of all worlds. So I see no problem with wanting something comparable, IF you're paying for the insurance and they're replacing the insured device with something that has less functionality. So I do very much agree, that scamming Sprint to get a free new phone is very shady and scummy. But if the product being replaced is less functional than the original, I see no problem with a "side-grade," a comparable device that costs them no more money to replace than the original device, being that they sell for the same amount. Ya feel me?
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Listen, I'm not saying I'm not upset with HTC about it.
I can't get my phone repaired [usb failure] because I want to maintain root.
However, just because HTC did something like this doesn't justify scamming Sprint.
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Because it's a total douche move of Sprint and HTC to lock the gingerbread bootloader. The Evo is the phone that made sprint relevant, and now for whatever reason a year into its lifespan it becomes LESS moddable instead of more? I approve of the action of trying to dump the evo based on this alone. They have to learn that these devices are ours to mess with, not theirs to lock down.
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You cannot possibly be an adult. Grow the **** up kids, no one promised you that the Evo would have an unlocked bootloader. The phone is yours to mess with once you buy it and HTC and Sprint won't stop you. But it's Sprint's supply chain, they can buy it from HTC whichever way they want to, locked down or not & you agreed to allow them to send updates to your phone when you signed that contract. It's your choice to buy it as is or to take the OTA update. Live with it or buy a new phone.
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Because it's a total douche move of Sprint and HTC to lock the gingerbread bootloader. The Evo is the phone that made sprint relevant, and now for whatever reason a year into its lifespan it becomes LESS moddable instead of more? I approve of the action of trying to dump the evo based on this alone. They have to learn that these devices are ours to mess with, not theirs to lock down.
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The bootloader has always been locked. HTC just patched the exploit
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He also mention that another update was going to offered for the nexus starting on the 5th, said it was supposed to resolve the radio and battery issues......anyone hear of that? Anyway, since I have had bad reception since the GB update for my evo, I guess I might still have to deal with that......oh well, at least I'll have root again!
ahhhhhh.......going todash.........
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This isn't a bad reception thing. The radios in the Nexus are generally bad, ridiculously bad: WiFi, 3G, voice, all of them are terrible. Its a sweet phone but the signal issues are quite sad and makes it rather frustrating to use the phone. The July 25th update was supposed to address these issues as well and from my experience it is no better. Signal quality is a known issue for the Nexus and it is the poor quality antennas and radios that Samsung uses that makes me question their devices as a whole. I'm just happy I also have my E3D so that I can actuall get a signal when using my phone.
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Listen, I'm not saying I'm not upset with HTC about it.
I can't get my phone repaired [usb failure] because I want to maintain root.
However, just because HTC did something like this doesn't justify scamming Sprint.
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I'm not talking about scamming sprint at all, I'm talking about a comparable replacement. I very much love Sprint and their customer service has been excellent; I misspoke when I blamed them and didn't think about the fact that they are not to blame, HTC is.
That being said, the NS4G goes for a very similar price. Also, I'm talking about legitimate cases of loss or theft in which it's not my fault that the phone, set up the way I like it, is gone. Then the phone is replaced with, at best, a non-unlockable version, and at worst, a ****ty rebuilt replacement with screen issues or crappy USB ports, etc. Why should I, the customer who is paying for the insurance, be supplied with a lesser phone? It would be Asurion replacing my phone, not Sprint, but because they are so disconnected it makes things difficult. I would simply want the phone I lost to be replaced because I'm paying for insurance. They should provide me with what I'm paying to insure, not some weird new less functional device. Again, Asurion, not Sprint. Sprint has only been good to me thusfar.
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You cannot possibly be an adult. Grow the **** up kids, no one promised you that the Evo would have an unlocked bootloader. The phone is yours to mess with once you buy it and HTC and Sprint won't stop you. But it's Sprint's supply chain, they can buy it from HTC whichever way they want to, locked down or not & you agreed to allow them to send updates to your phone when you signed that contract. It's your choice to buy it as is or to take the OTA update. Live with it or buy a new phone.
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I know this is the way it is, but just because something is some way doesn't mean I should have to live with it or not try to change things. I won't bore you with tales of history in which we have changed the norm to suit society better, nor am I under the delusion that being stuck in a lame contract is as heavy as the idea of slavery or bigotry. But I don't make a habit of sitting idly by and getting screwed over by large companies just because they told me I had to. I'm sure at least those of us who are over 25 on here work very hard for their money (I do), and I don't like being jerked around based on the whim of a corporation. I very much understand what you are saying, and I'm not under the impression that Sprint and the hacker community are pals and that they're backing out on a promise. I'm just saying, I don't see the issue with swapping to an extremely comparable phone IF your phone is already lost/stolen/destroyed, you're on insurance, and you simply prefer to have the other option. Same as if I felt like going to the Samsung Epic. Very similar phones, they're already replacing it, why does it have to be the same phone, especially when the same phone simply isn't the same anymore?
EDIT: Also fellas, I'm not intentionally being challenging with either of you or being argumentative for the sake of trolling or whatever, I'm legitimately just enjoying a robust debate on a lazy Tuesday evening. Thank you for the discussion guys
I choose not to commit insurance fraud myself. Let's remember that OS developers have an obligation to patch exploits. We are not guaranteed a rooted device unless you buy a dev phone.
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I'm not talking about scamming sprint at all, I'm talking about a comparable replacement. I very much love Sprint and their customer service has been excellent; I misspoke when I blamed them and didn't think about the fact that they are not to blame, HTC is.
That being said, the NS4G goes for a very similar price. Also, I'm talking about legitimate cases of loss or theft in which it's not my fault that the phone, set up the way I like it, is gone. Then the phone is replaced with, at best, a non-unlockable version, and at worst, a ****ty rebuilt replacement with screen issues or crappy USB ports, etc. Why should I, the customer who is paying for the insurance, be supplied with a lesser phone? It would be Asurion replacing my phone, not Sprint, but because they are so disconnected it makes things difficult. I would simply want the phone I lost to be replaced because I'm paying for insurance. They should provide me with what I'm paying to insure, not some weird new less functional device. Again, Asurion, not Sprint. Sprint has only been good to me thusfar.
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Asurion only handles the replacements when a deductible is paid, otherwise it's Sprint.
Also, all carriers use Asurion for their replacement insurance.
It's not Sprint's fault that HTC patched a hole in their bootloader security, therefore it's not fair for them to lose out on money.
If Sprint gives you a different model just because of a software update that does nothing but, essentially, increase the security of the phone....well...they lose out and that's just not a viable reason for them to lose out.
Root will be achieved, it sucks I know but, relax.
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The bootloader has always been locked. HTC just patched the exploit
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Well this is the unfortunate grey area, and an oversight on my part... apologies, didn't mean to simplify too much. However, I did buy the phone because of the exploit, this is why I didn't go with a different phone. My side of this is a hard one to defend; surely patching the exploit was considered a security issue. But they had to have known what they were doing, which I can never prove, so my case would never hold up in a court of law, and I know this. It just irritates me and I fear the day that I lose my phone or it gets stolen because I'll be stuck with a crappy, half-assed gingerbread updated Evo, which seems wrong to me.
I read an article on Engadget yesterday about how T-mo is planning to roll out LTE in 2013 but that they also have lost just under a million customers in the last quarter. About 50% of the comments were people saying how much they love T-Mo, the other T-Mo haters explaining why they left or are leaving. One of the most common complaints I read was "lack of a decent phone line-up". Many pointed to Verizon as having the best Android line up, quality devices, best service, coverage blah blah blah. After reading this I realized something. The more devices a carrier releases in a short amount of time the quicker the devices become obsolete and left behind. Not just by the OEM and carrier, but the dev community as well. Case in point: A good friend of mine called me earlier in the month and was complaining about the bloatware on his new Droid Bionic. Another friend was complaining about his Droid X not working properly. Both of these friends wanted my help rooting and installing a custom ROM. When I pulled up the development page for both phones I was surprised at how quiet it was and how so few decent ROMS there were available. Eclipse and Liberty looked like the only two decent ones but both had not been updated in quite a while. The Droid X was a very popular phone, why so little support? Then I looked at my Vibrant running ICS Euphoria, remembered all of the ROMS & kernels I had flashed before that, Trigger, T.W. Bionix, Bi-Winning, Bullet, Tiger's Blood, Destroyer of Worlds, Overstock, the list goes on and on! There is still enthusiastic development for the Vibrant which by today's standards should be an obsolete device! Its still chugging along! I picked up the SGS2 on the "free phone day" and was pleasantly surprised to see several of the same people supporting that phone too, like Eugene, Roman, Whitehawkx. Wow!
So maybe a lack of selection is not always a bad thing? There seems to be a genuine "community" around T-Mo and that is a good thing. Just makes me wish more people would learn to root and tap into their phone's full potential instead of complaining and jumping ship because of "poor selection". I know we are in the minority, not many people care to root their devices or even know what that means, too bad they are missing out on a great community!
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I read an article on Engadget yesterday about how T-mo is planning to roll out LTE in 2013 but that they also have lost just under a million customers in the last quarter. About 50% of the comments were people saying how much they love T-Mo, the other T-Mo haters explaining why they left or are leaving. One of the most common complaints I read was "lack of a decent phone line-up". Many pointed to Verizon as having the best Android line up, quality devices, best service, coverage blah blah blah. After reading this I realized something. The more devices a carrier releases in a short amount of time the quicker the devices become obsolete and left behind. Not just by the OEM and carrier, but the dev community as well. Case in point: A good friend of mine called me earlier in the month and was complaining about the bloatware on his new Droid Bionic. Another friend was complaining about his Droid X not working properly. Both of these friends wanted my help rooting and installing a custom ROM. When I pulled up the development page for both phones I was surprised at how quiet it was and how so few decent ROMS there were available. Eclipse and Liberty looked like the only two decent ones but both had not been updated in quite a while. The Droid X was a very popular phone, why so little support? Then I looked at my Vibrant running ICS Euphoria, remembered all of the ROMS & kernels I had flashed before that, Trigger, T.W. Bionix, Bi-Winning, Bullet, Tiger's Blood, Destroyer of Worlds, Overstock, the list goes on and on! There is still enthusiastic development for the Vibrant which by today's standards should be an obsolete device! Its still chugging along! I picked up the SGS2 on the "free phone day" and was pleasantly surprised to see several of the same people supporting that phone too, like Eugene, Roman, Whitehawkx. Wow!
So maybe a lack of selection is not always a bad thing? There seems to be a genuine "community" around T-Mo and that is a good thing. Just makes me wish more people would learn to root and tap into their phone's full potential instead of complaining and jumping ship because of "poor selection". I know we are in the minority, not many people care to root their devices or even know what that means, too bad they are missing out on a great community!
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You know. I agree. I have been looking at the new phones coming out and my fingers are itching to pick something else up. But instead of buying something new I picked up a second and third Vibrant. Mainly because I actually bricked my first one the other day. Got these other two cheap on Craigslist. Put Euphoria on it with KISS 2.2 on it and I actually have working GPS!
Going to send my bricked one into Josh at MobileTechVideos.com and have him jtag it to life again. Then I will have 3 of them. Add some new bezel because the two I got had some issues with them. Install the FFC on it and then sell them on Ebay or something for a small profit.
Well. I just want to THANK our awesome dev community and supporters. You are awesome! Not to mention those old Devs who have left the Vibrant but was a big part of the initial making the Vibrant one of the greatest phones out there.
Hello, I just wanted to say that I just recently bought my 1st smartphone, which is of course the Vibrant. Im really in love with this phone, Im just a little dissapointed that T-Mobile is not really giving support to the phone anymore (after Froyo), but like you said, I'm very happy that a lot of people is still paying attention to the phone, developing stuff.
T-Mo does have a ****ty phone selection. Top tier phones at T-Mo are what? Sensation loaded down with carrier iq, and ridiculously poor battery. And the SGSII, from Samsung, who has proven time and again that support for older phones is not worth their effort, and its just plain too big for the resolution. Sure it has great devs, but they can't add ppi. Not to mention it will never see an official ics release, so no matter how good the devs are, there will always be bugs. I'm about to give up on T-Mo myself...just can't bring myself to accept AT&T as my new overlord yet...
Damn you Swype!
T-mobile lost many customer is mostly younger people who want to go with Iphone 4s. This is why T mobile dont carry Iphone. The only thing I like T mobile is that they have a better price on service rate plan.Rest of the other cell phone provider dont have a better plan than t mobile have. Like I can call long distance any time any day and other provider have time limited are only after 7pm to 10pm. T Mobile do have crappy phone selection right now but their main popular phone is SGS2 they have sell more phone than other cell phone provider sell. T mobile will have a better phone selection there many new phone are coming this year. I bet you there will be alot of good phone by the end of 2012 before christmas they going to sell tons of new phone and good deal to buy.
the only reason im still on TMO is because of the cheap plans they have.
No way in hell would I go to ATT for the same plan but twice the money.
I do think about switching to Verizon or Sprint. Verizon seems to have quality phones, not just quantity of it.
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the only reason im still on TMO is because of the cheap plans they have.
No way in hell would I go to ATT for the same plan but twice the money.
I do think about switching to Verizon or Sprint. Verizon seems to have quality phones, not just quantity of it.
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I'll never own another CDMA phone if I can avoid it. Not to mention the ridiculous prices for Verizon plans, I don't care if they drop the GSX with hyper threading 24 core processor and a 3600mAh battery in a 1mm thick chassis with the Hubble telescope for a camera for $99 on two year contract tomorrow, I wouldn't switch to them. Sprint, maybe, but like I said, I would rather not ever own a cdma phone again.
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I am opening this thread in hopes it will keep other threads cleaner. Motorola did not update to ICS. we know that.
One suggestion I have is JUMP ship. get a different device. You can get a pantech bust for about $100 on ebay with official ICS. I got a galaxy note for $150 myself. The atrix still goes for around $100.
I still have my atrix as a backup phone.
suggestion 2 keep going the rout of requesting cooperation from moto/punit etc. Yes you may feel it is falling on deaf ears and you may be correct.
My main suggestion and point of this thread is please stop posting about this in every atrix thread on XDA. THese threads are to help the atrix community and people must now search harder to find what they are looking for because they must wade through post after post of motohate then post after post of bickering at other members.
please keep our threads clean
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About jumping ship. I do realize that my suggestion does not help those with all the docks and accessories as much. I do not know what the docks sell for. And I can't speak of the quality of the burst. I do know it requires a smaller sim card. I was just suggesting it as a means to swap for a device with similar specs that is on official ICS with no major cost in the end. I am pleased with the quality of my note but I realize that I got it almost $100 less than average used price
I cant buy another phone...I dont have the money and I have a contract with an operator...and the note in my country cost a lot much than my atrix...so any other sugestion???
from the (M)ATRIX...
I am in US and realize I got a great deal on note. And Also realize that even buying burst even though it has little cost in end has upfront cost of nearly 100 US. I am on straightalk att sim. I am still burnt by moto. I have a nonupgradeable device that is still under manufacture warranty so I don't want to get rid of it yet. hopefully more people will have suggestions as well
I sold my Atrix for a good price ($200) without the lapdock.
then again, I sold it to someone who asks me everyday about how to do stuff, so I consider the extra price as a bonus for all the things I've helped him with.
I got a Note and never looked back. Never again, Motorola. Never.
Still, I'm stuck with an Atrix because my boss has it and he always wants a different ROM. It's a good phone. Such a shame Motorola was backing it.
Well...in my country (argentina) a new atrix on a contract cost 1800 pesos argentinos and a Note on a contract cost 3500 pesos argentinos...so if I want to buy it w/o a contract the note cost 5000 pesos argentinos.
So Im f***...thats why I still pushing moto or punit to release the source code...
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AT&T has their own trade in program and currently they value my device at $36. Obviously that's a bit on the low side, but the reality is that something is only worth what you can sell it for, whether that's $10 or $100, and ebay is loaded with them, especially after the ICS cancellation.
That said, I'm stuck in a contract with mine for the next few months with no way out and no money to jump ship. Once opportunity does present itself, I will have to see what's available at the time, but tbh, this was my first true smart phone, yet I'm still feeling stupid for getting it.
Get a phone used that is older than the 4g and has been upgraded to ICS.
My thoughts are you have always been able to upgrade your PC, laptop and other computers at will. Why are phones and tablets any different?
I think the answer is simple: greed. There have always and only ever been excuses that all point to controlling consumer options and taking away freedoms in order to accomplish a bottom line.
For that, I do not believe buying another device will matter. We always end up supporting someone's idea of controlling my content. Screw that. I bought the device, I should be allowed to install what I want. Not what ATT or Motorola or Apple or even Google wants but what I want.
OK, done ranting.
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I do not know how it is in the rest of the world but in the US craigslist is a good source for used phones. as with anything though there are also scammers out there. It was sad to see atrix price drop after ics cancelation. I think they went for almost 200 before to 150 after and now about 150. I got my wife a nexus 7 recently. I know it will stay updated but felt a bit bad purchasing from Motorola parent company Google.
My Atrix is just the latest in a long line of attempts to get a good deal for cheap that partially failed. Got my Atrix just before the announced cancellation of the update. Only good thing is I'm not stuck with a contract. I would have made another phone choice, if I'd jknow was being lied to my Moto.
For me its not so much about them failing on the upgrade. Its more about moto actively trying to keep us from getting ICS or any other rom on our own. Locking bootloaders on updates and ordering cease and desist on the leaked kernel. Its a big FU right in all of our faces. I just can't believe a company would actively do this to their customers, not even their regular customers... the enthusiast. makes no sense to me, before the atrix moto is the only phone company I would have. Now its the only one I refuse to buy.
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For me its not so much about them failing on the upgrade. Its more about moto actively trying to keep us from getting ICS or any other rom on our own. Locking bootloaders on updates and ordering cease and desist on the leaked kernel. Its a big FU right in all of our faces. I just can't believe a company would actively do this to their customers, not even their regular customers... the enthusiast. makes no sense to me, before the atrix moto is the only phone company I would have. Now its the only one I refuse to buy.
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On top of money and carrier contracts we may be stuck in, there's also the issue of carrier compatibility. For those of us with AT&T, I'm sure there are devices they don't offer that will work, and some may even have full capabilities, but when it comes to their current offerings, it's pretty slim pickings, regardless of what OS you want.
my brother asked me today if he could use a s3 from sprint on att. I said sadly no. would be nice since sprint phones always seem to go for less money. probably because they have a worse network. I told him to buy it anyway because they wanted 150 for it and I know it is worth more even if the esn is bad. I have been watching for a good used dual core that is updated for my wife. I am not in a hurry because I want a deal. she has atrix as well for now. been looking at lg nitro and s2 s3 onex. probably some others
I picked up a pantech burst for my wife yesterday for 65$. waiting for simcard cutter. dual core and ICS. plus I can still sell atrix for more than that
Haven't been on XDA for a while. What am I missing? There's plenty of stable Jellybean ROMs around.
Fingerprints a gimmick and you can get a camera app. How good do you want your phone camera to be anyway?
Not being inflammatory but get a ROM and enjoy it until your phone dies a natural death.
In fact mine died and I brought a new one for cheap, that's how happy I am with Th3bills Liquid Smooth.
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Blame Google they control moto now.I got a new phone few weeks back still have my atrix themed all out sweet sits home on WiFi still want to update the kernel in it learning a new phone now am support is dieing on the atrix..
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Haven't been on XDA for a while. What am I missing? There's plenty of stable Jellybean ROMs around.
Fingerprints a gimmick and you can get a camera app. How good do you want your phone camera to be anyway?
Not being inflammatory but get a ROM and enjoy it until your phone dies a natural death.
In fact mine died and I brought a new one for cheap, that's how happy I am with Th3bills Liquid Smooth.
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I've got a new phone. i717 note on cm10. a pantech burst on official ics. and will soon be playing with a HTC desire that will have fully functional jellybean. I like playing with these old phones then selling them for more than I paid. and my atrix got replaced under warranty and there is no way as of now to unlock the bootloader.
Even when/if a new kernal is built my atrix is locked. Mine will most likely be sold soon but I want to try the soak test first. Might keep it for a while though as it is under warranty
if there’s a time machine，i would choose Nexus S rather other than Atrix 4g. The crude reality slapped my face，how foolish i was.