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http://www.pcworld.com/article/1867...irst_week_of_sales_were_weak_report_says.html
Thats a ton of complaints coming out for only 20k sales.
Not being available in T-Mo stores really hurt sales. I think being able to see this screen and hold it in person would move a hell of alot more units.
he Nexus One didn't benefit from such a strong marketing push like the Motorola Droid (estimated $100 million), despite Google's phone featuring so-far unique Android features. This has reflected in poor first week sales for the Nexus One, as per the table below. (Click image above to enlarge)
Instead, Google chose a soft launch for the Nexus One, selling it through their website. But the steep $500 Google is asking for the unlocked device and the mixed reviews the Nexus One received didn't help to maximize first week sales.
Flurry's report mentions that the Nexus One lacks the "wow factor" and the general perception that the device is not seen as revolutionary, but rather just evolutionary from other Android phones.
Om Malik, of GigaOm, notes that Flurry's estimated sales numbers for the Nexus One might even be a bit far fetched. He mentions Google has been giving away the Nexus One to its employees and also lent it to many members of the media for reviews, which could have bumped up Flurry's analytics.
Next to the poor first week sales figure, the Nexus One has also seen mounting complaints over the 3G connectivity of the device and the lack of developer tools for the Android 2.1 platform.
In her review of the Nexus One, my colleague Ginny Mies notes that Google's phone "isn't quite the game-changer people hoped it would be, though it certainly trumps other phones in performance, display quality, and speed." Next to pros like a dazzling OLED display, snappy performance and sleep, slim design, she marks the lack of multitouch support and the software keyboard as cons.
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I'm actually glad. I dont want the nexus one to become a fashion icon like the iPhone did.
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I'm actually glad. I dont want the nexus one to become a fashion icon like the iPhone did.
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awww Fuuudgdeeee
Had to be 2 new yorkers didnt it. lol
Agree with this though. Ive been saying I hope a ton of people want it but few get it. That way Google is pressed to resolve there customer service and HW issues and early adopters dont look like bandwagon jumpers for the latest fashion device.
On the flip side... I hope Google doesnt turn around and blame Tmobile. Tmo and Google have been continually bringing out Android sets I hope that relationship doesnt sour because of this.
Actually 20k in sales for a phone that has reportedly had the vast majority of users buy the unlocked version is pretty damn good (Leo Laporte mentioned it on TWiT on Sunday)
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I'm actually glad. I dont want the nexus one to become a fashion icon like the iPhone did.
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As much as I give credit to Apple for what they've done with the iPhone, the iPhone has become the "razr" of phones.....the "Wal-Mart" of phones....
The bad press on this phone is silly. It takes nothing into consideration, bends around the truth, and just sounds misinformed. This phone had a soft launch, wasn't available in stores, no television ads, and wasn't really advertised by Google until the day of it's launch.
These soft launches make an impact. Word will spread and then it will pop up and explode on Verizon. I'm not even trying to defend the device, it just makes me angry seeing so much misinformed crap popping up on the web.
"But the steep $500 Google is asking for the unlocked device and the mixed reviews the Nexus One received didn't help to maximize first week sales."
Mixed reviews meaning angry fanboys? I don't get it. The thing runs Android really well, is fast as hell, looks great, has a good camera, etc. I have no idea what people were expecting. Android has been out, and this was stated to be an Android device.
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As much as I give credit to Apple for what they've done with the iPhone, the iPhone has become the "razr" of phones.....the "Wal-Mart" of phones....
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everybody and their dog has an iphone. i'd rather have something few others do
To be honest, and trying to be unbiased, I think these numbers are ok for Google. Here's why I say that... given the marketing channel used here (online only sales and advertising), I suspect that Google is banking on a moderate rate of sales early on, with an increase a little later. Most people like to see and touch something prior to dropping hundreds of dollars on it. I think Google is counting on the early adopters to buy the phones, and then once we have them and others start seeing and playing with them, they will start buying. In theory, this should work the same as if the N1 would have been sold in stores, except the initial sales would be lighter and the rate of sales would be steeper after the first few weeks.
My proverbial 2 cents...
#1. It's hard for someone to drop that much cash on a phone unseen. Like others have pointed out, it's hard to sell a mobile phone without being able to "touch" it and play with it at a retail store.
#2. The N1 is one of the first handsets relatively available for purchase which has the Qualcomm Snapdragon processor. I honestly think the "hacking" community for the N1 will be similar of what the G1 (HTC Dream) has seen... In other words, the HTC Passion is basically the next great hacking platform as the HTC Dream experienced.
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So essentially 1 in 150,000 Americans (ROUGHLY, only considering domestic sales) are packin the N1 - Sounds like a pretty elite/exclusive group if you ask me
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..."But the steep $500 Google is asking for the unlocked device and the mixed reviews the Nexus One received didn't help to maximize first week sales."
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Also, to add onto this...I don't think the price is steep at all. In fact it is cheaper than many other unlocked devices with lesser hardware. Also, it has been pointed out in many places that getting the unlocked version is cheaper than going with the subsidized version and mandatory plan.
When a phone can be purchased only from one location and one URL only gadget freaks like us know about it's existence. Some of my friends who think they are gadget freaks were shocked to see my phone over the weekend. They didn't even know about it yet. Forget the common man. Unless, the phone is sold in T-mobile, and B&M stores, it will be hard to sell like Driod.
Except for lousy T-mobile 3G inside buildings, I love this phone. But I am seriously thinking about returning just to go back to AT&T as I would like to stay with the best GSM carrier who gets most unlocked 3G phones so I can keep changing my phones every few months.
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To be honest, and trying to be unbiased, I think these numbers are ok for Google. Here's why I say that... given the marketing channel used here (online only sales and advertising), I suspect that Google is banking on a moderate rate of sales early on, with an increase a little later. Most people like to see and touch something prior to dropping hundreds of dollars on it. I think Google is counting on the early adopters to buy the phones, and then once we have them and others start seeing and playing with them, they will start buying. In theory, this should work the same as if the N1 would have been sold in stores, except the initial sales would be lighter and the rate of sales would be steeper after the first few weeks.
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I agree. This seems similar to Gmail when it was in Beta....and Gvoice. Only certain people had it and it was invite only. This seems to make a launch more manageable (less volume) and the inital adopters are the ones who typically want it the most and spread the word to others for free.
I want one... I just don't want to pay $530 to be a beta tester. I think once the 3g issues are solved we'll see alot more people pay for the phone
once Verizon and vodaphone get this phone. Sales will SKY rocket.
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The only way for a big change in sales would be to sell the Nexus One in stores, mainstream buyers are not going to spend premium money on a handset that they can not handle first.
There are not enough early adopters and tech heads like most of us on this site to make a major impact on sales. Plus many of us are holding off to see how the 3G issue gets handled before buying.
since they didnt really air commercial for the phone and it is only available online. the numbers are pretty good.
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The HARDWARE to produce the Nexus One costs $175$. This price does NOT include licensing, manufacturing, advertising, shipping, Government Taxes, etc.
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Yeah... Putting the parts together... probably costs more than the parts themselves, including labor.
Sure, I could get the "parts" for my car too for less than a quarter of what it sells for... I wouldn't want to try to assemble it though!
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Kermee
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The HARDWARE to produce the Nexus One costs $175$. This price does NOT include licensing, manufacturing, advertising, shipping, Government Taxes, etc.
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...not to mention R&D
I still have people ask me when its coming out when I show them mine, this phone is still very "underground"
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The HARDWARE to produce the Nexus One costs $175$. This price does NOT include licensing, manufacturing, advertising, shipping, Government Taxes, etc.
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Can you send me a link to where you found out the hardware only cost $175 for the nexus one. I would like to see how much the snapdragon proc costs, and the 512mb of ram, and all the other components in the phone, and just the cost of putting it together.
And I am not referring to licensing, manufacturing, advertising, shipping, Government Taxes, etc.
Just the hardware and the costs to put the phone together. I call bull**** on the $175 dollars.
That is how much it might cost to put together the iphone 3gs with much cheaper hardware. But the Nexus One hardware is another story.
On things like this to offer their customers.......WTF???
http://phandroid.com/2010/09/03/sprint-to-get-the-samsung-galaxy-tab-this-november/
Even if Sprint does NOT get it why doesn't Tmo say "hey we'll take it!!"
When it comes to agreements between 2 or more business goliaths, I don't think its as simple as we'll take it. Lots of legal matters to get sorted out. Just look at all the drama it took to get the iPhone on AT&T to start with. They battled over details for awhile and still had issues after the release. Don't even wanna go into foreget tablets. Can we at least get a good list of smartphones on T-Mobile? One great phone and one very respectable phone (see Vibrant then MyTouch Slide) does not make for good choices when time to upgrade.
I was extremely excited about this Galaxy Tab, but in reality, the price is kind of a dealbreaker, and as far as I can tell, there is no wi-fi only version. I am not paying for another device on the network.
But as far as why T-mobile doesn't step up: it is just like mmalott says. Contracts have so many intricacies, so many things that have to get ironed out.
But for what it's worth, you don't know that they won't make it available for T-mobile yet. Maybe Samsung will go to all 4 carriers with it, you never know. We'll have to wait and see.
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On things like this to offer their customers.......WTF???
http://phandroid.com/2010/09/03/sprint-to-get-the-samsung-galaxy-tab-this-november/
Even if Sprint does NOT get it why doesn't Tmo say "hey we'll take it!!"
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I guess the G2 doesn't count? WTF is your problem? If you love Sprint so much cancel your contract and go with them.
The price is way to high for what is. For that price I can get a small fully functioning laptop that folds into a touch tablet.
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I'm happy that T-Mo is not trying to get all these first-gen experimental devices but focusing on the few solid and core devices along with providing great services.
This is what a normal consumer really needs.
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I'm happy that T-Mo is not trying to get all these first-gen experimental devices but focusing on the few solid and core devices along with providing great services.
This is what a normal consumer really needs.
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So true...
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When it comes to agreements between 2 or more business goliaths, I don't think its as simple as we'll take it. Lots of legal matters to get sorted out. Just look at all the drama it took to get the iPhone on AT&T to start with. They battled over details for awhile and still had issues after the release. Don't even wanna go into foreget tablets. Can we at least get a good list of smartphones on T-Mobile? One great phone and one very respectable phone (see Vibrant then MyTouch Slide) does not make for good choices when time to upgrade.
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that. plus there's the fcc approvals needed for each band/network it supports.
I've seen websites saying Verizon is getting it to, it's not unlikely that they are just releasing on all the carriers like they have with the Galaxy S series. They aren't even out of here yet are they? Didn't this happen before with the Galaxy S series, one company said we are getting it then the others followed?
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I guess the G2 doesn't count? WTF is your problem? If you love Sprint so much cancel your contract and go with them.
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My man/girl where on earth did you get the notion that I was Sprint fan? I have been with Tmo for 7+ years and would not even think about switching services!!! My original point being is why doesn't Tmo "make a play" for things such as the Tablet or even a good , better, best smartphone, even if we do not get them?
Granted given the response by "mmalot" looking at it that way I completely see why Tmo has taken the path it has.
I am happy with Tmo no doubt but I just wish their aggressiveness would equate to a better selection of phone choices, granted the Vibrant which I love is no slouch even with it shortcomings is still a great phone in its own rights.
Regarding a phone such as the G2 which has not come out yet I am sure it will be a worthy opponent I am NOT bashing Tmo I am suggesting that they become slightly more aggressive.
Make sure you have a valid point or even comprehend the statement that is in front of you before you go "bumping your gums" and comment such as you have done.
And in closing I do not have a problem with Tmo as I stated have been a loyal customer for 7+ years (when they were voicestream wireless)and will remain a customer but I like everyone else am entitled to their opinion and I will exercise it at will "heygrl", so please do not try and come at me like I am coming from left field, it was a "freedom of speech" moment.
I do know that a lot of the times the carriers have to bid on the phones/devices that they get. Depending on the manufacturer/device. Would you rather have a g2, mytouch hd, and possibly 2-3 other big devices by the end of the year, or would you rather have a galaxy S that is a little bit larger, without the Super amoled? Do remember that T-Mobile is dropping a ton of funds on rocking out the HSPA+ across the country super fast, and they're the 4th largest carrier. They have to choose a lot more carefully about where to invest then the others.
If someone has a vibrant now, the g2 wil be irrelevant by the time they have to upgrade again. Should not be releasing phones so fast, imo.
Also I may etf my contact and move off android because the fragmentation and slow updates/buggy devices are unbearable.
Almost regret not staying on at&t and getting am iphone. This is ridiculous.
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L8ter n8ter
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Actually it's: l8er n8er, but nice try at being witty without actually responding to the content in my post. These forums seem ripe with trolls.
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AT&T doesn't release an iPhone every year? T-Mobile releases 2 high-end devices within a few months and suddenly they need to slow down... according to other people they need MORE.. just stfu already.
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Actually it's: l8er n8er, but nice try at being witty without actually responding to the content in my post. These forums seem ripe with trolls.
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If you like locked down fancy looking feature phones and a barely working network then ATT is for you, and they'll gladly take your money, enjoy you iPhone 4, we don't care, it's your money
At the end of the day the real reason we're all with tmobile (don't lie) is because of their great plans/ pricing and awesome customer service. If that wasn't the case we'd be all on verizon. I think their approach with the vibrant/g2/faster network this year will play out very well for them.
I hate when people get offended if you tell your opinion about a company. Heygrl the way you reacted on the last page was childish. Grow up, I dont understand why people pledge loyalty to a company then act like blinded fanboys if you tell the truth about them.
T-Mobile obviously needs to step up. Whether they get this tablet or not isn't a dealbreaker for me. Especially if there is no wifi only version. However they need more phones, more high end state of the art phones. Verizon and Sprint are rumored to release 1.5 Ghz phones this year, they are not slouching. The G2's hardware will be completely obsolete by 2011, it will be a new generation of hardware. People seem to think this phone is the best ever because of HSPA+. What happens when you never reach those plateaus of speed and the first dual-core devices drop this year? Gonna feel buyers remorse huh.
It's also rumored that Samsung is working on the Galaxy S2 phone with a 2Ghz processor, 4gb of rom, 1gb ram, super amoled2 and 340ppi. Now THAT'S a revolution, but you ignorant fanboys would never see that because your devoted loyalty to a company makes you think the G2 will be the best phone ever. Such a joke...
HTC has a conference in a week or so, you think their best announcement will be the G2? Come on now. They are working on 1.5-2ghz phones, new battery and screen tech, and dual core devices.
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Even though I don't always agree with Tmobile's business sense I do like their more conservative nature. I don't need 3-5 phones with 2ghz cpus and the latest greatest iPhone at the cost dealing with the stereotypical corporate giant. All I ask for is at least 1 -2 comparable smartphones (MyTouch Slide & Vibrant delivered beautifully), good customer service, and keep your hands out of my pockets. I think T-Mobile has done an outstanding job at doing this. Dealing with Tmo has been a personal experience as compared to dealing with AT&T which was the usual your-the-little-guy thing.
Tmo has left me in wonder plenty of times. Where I live just got 3g but they were trying to sell me a 3G phone prior to that? Why are you guys selling the MyTouch Slide for only $20 less then the Vibrant? Am I missing something there? You guys are rolling out 4G!? But... there's plenty of places that don't even have coverage, EDGE, or 3G yet? Just some of the things that make me scratch my head sometimes but in the end, AT&T and Verizon don't leave me with the satisfaction that T-Mobile does.
Personally I don't want or need 20 smartphones to choose from. Too many problems for the network, the consumer, and the manufactures which will leave more often then not unhappy under the quantity over quality method of thinking.
At the end of the day its your choice based on your experiences and opinion. And this is a forum where people voice experiences and opinion. Just wish people could be more civilized about it so that others can hear/read them without the annoying gibberish.
I guess the real reason that people are so upset with T-mobile is because T-mobile was the first with an android phone and the first with the Google Nexus One phone, and they have lost that crown.
After Sprint got the HTC Hero, T-mobile wasn't the only android carrier anymore, and when Verizon got the Droid, they decided to buy up 95% of the high-end android smart-phones for the next 1.5 years.
AT&T rode iPhone popularity to the top. T-mobile failed to do this with Android. Looking at Android growth & popularity, locking up a few high end exclusives over the next 2-3 years could have propelled T-mobile into 3rd place in terms of subscribers. If I were to guess, then I would say that this is the reason why the CEO got the boot.
T-mobile is not doing that bad...what they aren't doing is beating out the competition with any of their handsets. Everything they release is done bigger or better by another carrier.
Its not as exciting as a 4G release, or a heavily marketed branded line of android phones like Verizon does... but clear away the smoke and mirrors and you'll have to admit that T-mobile is probably tied for 2nd at best (with Sprint), or at worst 3rd overall on android handsets.
The only thing they are missing is a 4.3" high end device to be the definitive 2nd place android carrier.
As for being #1... it won't ever happen. Verizon has 3x the subscribers and charges 20% more for service. They have the cash to burn to stay on top in terms of handset selection.... which they pretty much have to because iPhone lovers will never leave AT&T until the handset is available elsewhere
So, im just wondering, does anyone else think the Incredible is dying? I was at Verizon yesterday (black friday) and the reps didnt even show customers the incredible, nor did anyone look at it. And there were about a good 20 customers who walked in the store and looked at the Droid section while I was there. Verizon doesnt really market the Incredible either. The only place where the Inc is alive is in the forums.
Forums are showing down the past month or so.. I dunno, like any phone product, it has it's 6-9 months of fame.
It may still have a legacy like G1 or N1..
I do not think so....It is still a solid device and those who know about it will find it. I do not see it going out but I do see that there is a FLOOD of devices on the market that the consumers are just overwhelmed with what to buy and which device is right. For my mother, this would be too much to process...
Let me add this I knew all about the DINC before I ever with the VZW to play with one and the knowledge of the salesman trying to tell me about the device was awful. If I had based my first experience on buying the device from him I would have walked away from the DINC. The salesman have a big play in it to know the devices and then know how to determine what the buyers wants & then find the right devices to show....other than pushing the newer devices that are now on the floor....
My two cents
The biggest problem with the DINC is the battery life and originally availability due to AMOLED screens. I think the Droid X and Fasicinate took over for the DINC. I do like the phone but when you are up against SAMOLED and the battery life of Moto devices it is a tough sell.
After trying the droid 2 global for about a week it got returned for a dinc. Out of all the phones verizon offers this device is my favorite by far. It will have a long life albeit not a very hyped one.
Yeah, I mean I love it (the batter life and my battery door squeaking for no reason kind if ticks me off though ), but u almost want to get the original Droid (love cyanogen) for the build quality. I don't even care about the keyboard. But yeah, It sucks because the only HTC device anyone knows about is the evo. They really should really launch the Inc.
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I do not think so....It is still a solid device and those who know about it will find it. I do not see it going out but I do see that there is a FLOOD of devices on the market that the consumers are just overwhelmed with what to buy and which device is right. For my mother, this would be too much to process...
Let me add this I knew all about the DINC before I ever with the VZW to play with one and the knowledge of the salesman trying to tell me about the device was awful. If I had based my first experience on buying the device from him I would have walked away from the DINC. The salesman have a big play in it to know the devices and then know how to determine what the buyers wants & then find the right devices to show....other than pushing the newer devices that are now on the floor....
My two cents
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Yeah man..I was at the store the other day and was telling people to buy the Inc behind sales reps backs ha
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True, battery life kinda sucks, so get a bigger battery. But how many other phones are there out there with all of these ROM choices? Aren't the new phones coming out with locked bootloaders? When will the era of "s-off" Smartphones end? Personally, I think Verizon has seen enough, and they are going to put a stop to ROM hacking & flashing. Perhaps they have gotten smart about replacing bricked phones. If so, the Droid Incredible will be one of the last really decent hackable phones. Oh sure, you may be able to "root" your new phones, but just try to hack an ENCRYPTED bootloader sometime...so that you can flash your own ROM. I think the days of ROM flashing are coming to an end. That's why the Droid Incredible (with s-off) is never going to die.
Well that's what I mean, in xda and in the forums I think the incredible has a long time to go. But in the consumers mind, I feel like its a gonner. Which is a shame.
And if they keep locking boot loaders I might have to switch to webOS, if Palm is still alive by then.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but, wasn't there a law passed recently that allowed consumers who purchased a phone the right to root/unlock/jailbreak it without voiding the warranty? I thought I read this somewhere but I may be mistaken. Also, I think it's a crime that we can't do what we want to the phones WE PURCHASED! If I'm paying $200 for the phone plus well over $100/month to use MY phone I should be able to root it if I want. Also, I'm not even rooted yet so I'm not biased by any means. I just think if you buy something it's yours and you should be able to do whatever you want with it.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but, wasn't there a law passed recently that allowed consumers who purchased a phone the right to root/unlock/jailbreak it without voiding the warranty? I thought I read this somewhere but I may be mistaken. Also, I think it's a crime that we can't do what we want to the phones WE PURCHASED! If I'm paying $200 for the phone plus well over $100/month to use MY phone I should be able to root it if I want. Also, I'm not even rooted yet so I'm not biased by any means. I just think if you buy something it's yours and you should be able to do whatever you want with it.
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The problem with tampering with it is obvious, people brick their phones. this of course causes verizon problems which is why they void the warranty. verizon shouldn't have to replace a phone for you because you messed with settings capable of rendering your phone useless. i'm rooted and all but that is just my opinion on it. you can do whatever you want but they aren't responsible for you messing up your own phone.
The law says that you have the rights to mess with your phone without being sued under the DMCA y the manufacturer for reverse engineering, decrypting, etc... the law does not guarantee you the ability or the access to do it, nor that the company has to fix what you broke during the process, just that it's no longer illegal for you to try.
The device has been out for 7 months. I honestly think that the fact that Verizon's still even advertising it is surprising. Normal "life" for a device like this is only a few months.
i think this too, if it wasnt for the AMOLED shortage, the inc could have surpassed any phone Verizon could offer. also, i agree with the fact that verizon doesnt advertise it as much as it should be, the phone has MUCH potential. i think its just verizon's fault :/
When I first got my Incredible a few months back, Verizon was ramping up their advertising campaign for the Droid X. At that time, I don't recall seeing any advertisements for the Inc (in any medium).
Now, all these months later, there are a few commercials for the Inc that I see playing fairly regularly on TV. I haven't paid enough attention to see if stores are also advertising it out front or not.
In any regard, it seems that Verizon is making a push for better public knowledge of this phone. Sure, it will eventually phase out like any other, but based on advertising, that doesn't seem to be the current trend.
I have two friends who recently (within the last two weeks) purchased Incs. One is a very educated consumer, the other barely can tell a phone from her shoes. Not sure what sold her on it, but it seems that they are still being 'pushed' to some degree.
My brother was in the Verizon store last week and commented that they were very short on Incredibles. The sales associate told him that they had recently been selling a lot of them.
Besides the TV ads, I realize that most of what I just said is completely anecdotal. Take it for what it's worth, but I think the Inc still has some time to go.
Of course, you could use all of my same points to make the opposite argument: that they are pushing them hard now so they can clear space for upcoming models (especially for the holiday season).
Guess we'll just have to wait and see.
I still see commercials for Inc.
I saw a Best Buy Black Friday ad for the Inc.
My uncle came by the house a day or two ago showing off a brand new Inc he got that week.
Nearly every model has it's rise and fall, and I'm fine with that so long as there's a decent community for the DInc that we see advancements in roms and such. MIUI is what I use and it's picking up good theme developers now with the new theming system, so regardless if the phone is losing populatity, there's enough people to provide rich content for a while.
I read an article on Engadget yesterday about how T-mo is planning to roll out LTE in 2013 but that they also have lost just under a million customers in the last quarter. About 50% of the comments were people saying how much they love T-Mo, the other T-Mo haters explaining why they left or are leaving. One of the most common complaints I read was "lack of a decent phone line-up". Many pointed to Verizon as having the best Android line up, quality devices, best service, coverage blah blah blah. After reading this I realized something. The more devices a carrier releases in a short amount of time the quicker the devices become obsolete and left behind. Not just by the OEM and carrier, but the dev community as well. Case in point: A good friend of mine called me earlier in the month and was complaining about the bloatware on his new Droid Bionic. Another friend was complaining about his Droid X not working properly. Both of these friends wanted my help rooting and installing a custom ROM. When I pulled up the development page for both phones I was surprised at how quiet it was and how so few decent ROMS there were available. Eclipse and Liberty looked like the only two decent ones but both had not been updated in quite a while. The Droid X was a very popular phone, why so little support? Then I looked at my Vibrant running ICS Euphoria, remembered all of the ROMS & kernels I had flashed before that, Trigger, T.W. Bionix, Bi-Winning, Bullet, Tiger's Blood, Destroyer of Worlds, Overstock, the list goes on and on! There is still enthusiastic development for the Vibrant which by today's standards should be an obsolete device! Its still chugging along! I picked up the SGS2 on the "free phone day" and was pleasantly surprised to see several of the same people supporting that phone too, like Eugene, Roman, Whitehawkx. Wow!
So maybe a lack of selection is not always a bad thing? There seems to be a genuine "community" around T-Mo and that is a good thing. Just makes me wish more people would learn to root and tap into their phone's full potential instead of complaining and jumping ship because of "poor selection". I know we are in the minority, not many people care to root their devices or even know what that means, too bad they are missing out on a great community!
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I read an article on Engadget yesterday about how T-mo is planning to roll out LTE in 2013 but that they also have lost just under a million customers in the last quarter. About 50% of the comments were people saying how much they love T-Mo, the other T-Mo haters explaining why they left or are leaving. One of the most common complaints I read was "lack of a decent phone line-up". Many pointed to Verizon as having the best Android line up, quality devices, best service, coverage blah blah blah. After reading this I realized something. The more devices a carrier releases in a short amount of time the quicker the devices become obsolete and left behind. Not just by the OEM and carrier, but the dev community as well. Case in point: A good friend of mine called me earlier in the month and was complaining about the bloatware on his new Droid Bionic. Another friend was complaining about his Droid X not working properly. Both of these friends wanted my help rooting and installing a custom ROM. When I pulled up the development page for both phones I was surprised at how quiet it was and how so few decent ROMS there were available. Eclipse and Liberty looked like the only two decent ones but both had not been updated in quite a while. The Droid X was a very popular phone, why so little support? Then I looked at my Vibrant running ICS Euphoria, remembered all of the ROMS & kernels I had flashed before that, Trigger, T.W. Bionix, Bi-Winning, Bullet, Tiger's Blood, Destroyer of Worlds, Overstock, the list goes on and on! There is still enthusiastic development for the Vibrant which by today's standards should be an obsolete device! Its still chugging along! I picked up the SGS2 on the "free phone day" and was pleasantly surprised to see several of the same people supporting that phone too, like Eugene, Roman, Whitehawkx. Wow!
So maybe a lack of selection is not always a bad thing? There seems to be a genuine "community" around T-Mo and that is a good thing. Just makes me wish more people would learn to root and tap into their phone's full potential instead of complaining and jumping ship because of "poor selection". I know we are in the minority, not many people care to root their devices or even know what that means, too bad they are missing out on a great community!
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You know. I agree. I have been looking at the new phones coming out and my fingers are itching to pick something else up. But instead of buying something new I picked up a second and third Vibrant. Mainly because I actually bricked my first one the other day. Got these other two cheap on Craigslist. Put Euphoria on it with KISS 2.2 on it and I actually have working GPS!
Going to send my bricked one into Josh at MobileTechVideos.com and have him jtag it to life again. Then I will have 3 of them. Add some new bezel because the two I got had some issues with them. Install the FFC on it and then sell them on Ebay or something for a small profit.
Well. I just want to THANK our awesome dev community and supporters. You are awesome! Not to mention those old Devs who have left the Vibrant but was a big part of the initial making the Vibrant one of the greatest phones out there.
Hello, I just wanted to say that I just recently bought my 1st smartphone, which is of course the Vibrant. Im really in love with this phone, Im just a little dissapointed that T-Mobile is not really giving support to the phone anymore (after Froyo), but like you said, I'm very happy that a lot of people is still paying attention to the phone, developing stuff.
T-Mo does have a ****ty phone selection. Top tier phones at T-Mo are what? Sensation loaded down with carrier iq, and ridiculously poor battery. And the SGSII, from Samsung, who has proven time and again that support for older phones is not worth their effort, and its just plain too big for the resolution. Sure it has great devs, but they can't add ppi. Not to mention it will never see an official ics release, so no matter how good the devs are, there will always be bugs. I'm about to give up on T-Mo myself...just can't bring myself to accept AT&T as my new overlord yet...
Damn you Swype!
T-mobile lost many customer is mostly younger people who want to go with Iphone 4s. This is why T mobile dont carry Iphone. The only thing I like T mobile is that they have a better price on service rate plan.Rest of the other cell phone provider dont have a better plan than t mobile have. Like I can call long distance any time any day and other provider have time limited are only after 7pm to 10pm. T Mobile do have crappy phone selection right now but their main popular phone is SGS2 they have sell more phone than other cell phone provider sell. T mobile will have a better phone selection there many new phone are coming this year. I bet you there will be alot of good phone by the end of 2012 before christmas they going to sell tons of new phone and good deal to buy.
the only reason im still on TMO is because of the cheap plans they have.
No way in hell would I go to ATT for the same plan but twice the money.
I do think about switching to Verizon or Sprint. Verizon seems to have quality phones, not just quantity of it.
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the only reason im still on TMO is because of the cheap plans they have.
No way in hell would I go to ATT for the same plan but twice the money.
I do think about switching to Verizon or Sprint. Verizon seems to have quality phones, not just quantity of it.
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I'll never own another CDMA phone if I can avoid it. Not to mention the ridiculous prices for Verizon plans, I don't care if they drop the GSX with hyper threading 24 core processor and a 3600mAh battery in a 1mm thick chassis with the Hubble telescope for a camera for $99 on two year contract tomorrow, I wouldn't switch to them. Sprint, maybe, but like I said, I would rather not ever own a cdma phone again.
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Verizon employees keep telling me this phone is crap when I try to go buy one. They told me they have only sold one and it was returned. But this contradicts everything ive read. It has outstanding reviews. Any ideas?
most likely bc they don't get paid out well on it, or know nothing about it and would rather sell you an iphone or a moto x.
Or Droid since those are Verizon most advertised phones. Lg is underrated making the pretty much the best phones since ca one year now.
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Verizon employees keep telling me this phone is crap when I try to go buy one. They told me they have only sold one and it was returned. But this contradicts everything ive read. It has outstanding reviews. Any ideas?
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Lol. Please tell me you can see a crappy sales pitch when you hear that. They most likely dont know what their talking about.
Ya definetly can tell, but my dad cant lol. Hes picking it up for me and they are feeding him the lines. He doesnt think I should get it now. Hate Verizon
Verizon sales reps have a $100 accessory quota and will talk down any phone with little choice in accessory.
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Yeah took my VZW rep 10 minutes to turn on the phone. Couldnt find the power button to save his life...LOL
Moto pretty much owns Verizon and Samsung spends way too much on marketing. LG is kind of out of the picture unfortunately.
Interestingly enough, I stopped by my local Verzon (Corp Store) to check out the flip case for the G2 and the Sales Rep said, "they don't carry accessories until the phone is released" and that the "G2 is available for pre-order only." I asked to speak to a Manager who said the same thing only added a condescending "I have been the Mgr here for years and know my inventory."
I thoroughly enjoyed whipping out my G2 and dropping a "well I guess I'm from the future?!" They spent the next 30 minutes finding the phone in their inventory and asking each other about specs, selling features, etc.
Bottom line: Verizon doesn't care about the G2. However, they're all trained up on the motox, S4 and upcoming 5S
Had the same experience on Friday. Pretty much told me the phone was garbage and I would be bring it back. Tried selling me the S4 (coming from the S3 lol), or the Moto X.
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FWIW, my sales rep literally had never heard of the phone and I had to show her which one it was. She also knew absolutely nothing about the device when it came time for her to activate it. I had to show her where the power button was, etc...
Same experience with me. The idiot sales rep tried to sell me an HTC One when I asked for the G2. She claimed it was much better phone and was very excited about showing me the new cases for it too. I hate dealing with these people.
They have too much current inventory belonging to their moneymaking manufacturers and too high of incentives to keep you in the "droid" family. The guy at the corporate store by me didn't know what it was when I asked for it but did find it & bring it out for me to see. No demo units on the floor until the 17th or 18th though. Even though I've never had an lg before, I'm strongly leaning toward this one. Gotta buy it outright tho to kelp unlimited.
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Ya the guy at mine told us he had it for 3 months??? That doesn't even make sense lol. He said that it got slow and broke after 2 months. Hasn't this phone only been announced for like 2 months? Cant believe they would lie that terribly.
Exact same experience, I was told that LG was garbage and stick to the HTC one or S4.
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Exact same experience, I was told that LG was garbage and stick to the HTC one or S4.
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Probably someone who has it confused with the original g, or pro?
I understand that us XDA members know much more about these devices than your average person. Much more. But sales people? Ridiculous. Have you ever listened to one of these guys sell a phone to someone after the customer explained what features they needed? I've heard these people lie (or maybe they're that ignorant) to get the customer on the phone with the biggest profit margin. I saw a lady looking at a maxx until the sales person came up and took her to a DNA because it had better battery life. Anyway, how many people have you heard say they hate their phone? (Non enthusiasts) Most of the time it's a phone you or I would like. They hate it because they were sold the wrong phone. These days they're packing enough stuff into one phone that it doesn't matter so much but not too long ago, you really had to find a phone that fit you. Still the case I guess but MOST sales people just don't care about the customer. If I go to a store, it's only because I can't wait for next day shipping.
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I can say my experience at the Verizon store in midtown Omaha, NE was the opposite... The sales person that assisted me was an extremely attractive young lady of 23 to 24 whose phone knowledge was excellent. Instead of trying to sell me something else, she knew the best way to work with a customer is to be agreeable, pleasant, and empathetic.
Usually I get some jackass in an over-sized oxford with droopy slacks trying to work me with his easybro "charm". "Hey man, you gotta protect that inVESTment... you NEED this screen protector."
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The sales person that assisted me was an extremely attractive young lady of 23 to 24 whose phone knowledge was excellent.
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Picture or it never happened
I love me some stupid VZW sales reps. And the corporate store prices for accessories are horrible too.
The sad thing is it's going to be very difficult for this device to succeed. LG has done virtually nothing to market it that I've seen, and the Verizon reps don't even know it's on display in their store. Were it not for the online reviews I stumbled upon, I wouldn't even know the phone existed.
If the exact same phone had Samsung on it and their marketing behind it, then the sky would be the limit.