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How the hell do I De-cert my XDA2

Sorry if this gets asked all the time guys, have scoured your excellent forum for info but to no avail.
My ignorance is due to being an ex smartphone owner, which i am sure you know are easy to de-cert.
I just want to chuck a load of games and non-approved utils onto my XDA, but DAMMIT, it won't fookin let me
Cracking forum by the way guys, has taken me ages to find you!
Mart

Never touched a smart phone. I've never heard of "de-cert." What is it? Doesn't sound like something that needs to be done on the XDA, certainly I've never seen it said here, and I've been around since the dinosaur ages.

It allows non valid windows CE applications to be installed - i.e. not officially approved software

I've never heard of an officially-approved piece of software for a Pocket PC. I don't think there is a certification program for that. In any case, your PPC will let you install any PPC software, approved or not, whatever, it won't care.

Excellent, however I keep getting
"filename" is not a valid windows CE setup file.
Am I being stupid here, installing in the wrong way?

I have only seen that error when I tried running the wrong version (not for Pocket PC) on my unit.
Might want to make sure the app is for Pocket PC and that the cpu type is correct.

Cheers - most of my smartphone software must be incompatible then, even though the spv uses a version of PPC.
Any site recommendations where I can get hold of PPC software for free? seems to be damn expensive in most places!
Thanks again

Smartphone software IS certified... Basically, you pay Microsoft to be able to have your software run on smartphones.
Regular pocket PC or windows mobile on xda devices does NOT have this restriction (and those devices are what this forum is about..)

Smartphone software is not PPC-compatible. Lots of titles have releases for both PPC and Smatphone, but I've never seen one that has both in the same release (though I suppose you could package multiple versions with one installer).
In any case, go to the developers' sites and see if they have PPC compatible versions.

wfberg said:
Smartphone software IS certified... Basically, you pay Microsoft to be able to have your software run on smartphones.
Regular pocket PC or windows mobile on xda devices does NOT have this restriction (and those devices are what this forum is about..)
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Not true, some Smartphone software is certified but not all. There are many applications available for MS Smartphone that can only run on application unlocked handsets. Not all authors can afford to apply for certification and for many utils it's hardly worth the bother. Thankfully for most of the existing handsets it is relatively easy to application unlock them so that uncertified apps can be installed.
And going back to the OP's question, Smartphone software is not the same as PocketPC software and whilst a few rare titles can be run on both, most cannot.

www.freewareppc.com
has loads of goodies on there.
Smartphone software wise - I am not sure but I think I saw an emulator for PPC at one point - could not find it though - does anybody know if this exists as there is some good programs for smartphone that have no PPC equal???

[REQ] WM Marketplace

Someone has a working cab of Windows Mobile Marketplace ?
thanks

Do you not see everywhere that Windows Mobile Marketplace is not RELEASED YET. You can't get it or use it, only Microsoft and Partners have it now. Wait till Windows Mobile 6.5 FINAL gets released and then download it and it will probably come with the Marketplace. And you can't get it on Windows Mobile 6.0 or 6.1
READ FIRST

It is not a standalone application that you install on your device, it is a website that you can access through your browser and then use to download applications, programs and games etc. It's just not up and running yet.
You can access it at the moment but like I said, it's not active, try it - http://client.marketplace.windowsmobile.com/
It will still be possible to access it on past Windows Mobile operating systems too with it being a website but I think they are planning on having apps mainly for WM 6.5.
Hope this helps.

I believe a user by the name of MrHawaii actually was able to connect to the Marketplace for a brief amount of time, in which he was prompted to download a CAB file that I'm assuming works something like a downloader or a small program used in conjunction with the web service. Regardless of whether or not the CAB is out in the wild or not, you still do need to be able to access the website, and the only people that have access to that at the moment is developers.

Broman400 said:
Do you not see everywhere that Windows Mobile Marketplace is not RELEASED YET.
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Wrong.
djcaston said:
I believe a user by the name of MrHawaii actually was able to connect to the Marketplace for a brief amount of time, in which he was prompted to download a CAB file that I'm assuming works something like a downloader or a small program used in conjunction with the web service. Regardless of whether or not the CAB is out in the wild or not, you still do need to be able to access the website, and the only people that have access to that at the moment is developers.
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Correct!

djcaston said:
I believe a user by the name of MrHawaii actually was able to connect to the Marketplace for a brief amount of time, in which he was prompted to download a CAB file that I'm assuming works something like a downloader or a small program used in conjunction with the web service. Regardless of whether or not the CAB is out in the wild or not, you still do need to be able to access the website, and the only people that have access to that at the moment is developers.
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Ah, so there is a CAB file involved, I stand corrected!

This belongs in the Q&A section.

[HOW TO] Transfer your CoPilot from WinMo -> Android

***Update 3*** 09th August 2011
ALK have restored the CP8 download. Link here - thanks to Antus.
***Update 2*** 06th June 2011
It would seem with the introduction of CoPilot 9, a number of changes have occurred to their web site. As such, the old free APK update for CP8 has been removed from their system and can no longer be downloaded. It's still legit to own as it requires activation, so if someone could host the file contact me and I'll add the link, otherwise, this thread is effectively invalid. Sadly I no longer have the APK in question, because I just invested in CP9.
***Update*** 15th August 2010
This isn't specifically for the HD2. In fact this works for any device! WinMo -> Android OR Android -> WinMo.
Since those geniuses Coutlla/Dan fixed GPS for the HD2 Android, I thought for those of you who have purchased Co-Pilot and wish to transfer it over to Android, I'd make a small guide.
Requirements:
- A *LEGAL* copy of CoPilot 8 for Windows Mobile and the license key
- The latest version of CoPilot 8 for Android (works in Froyo now): LINK RESTORED
I bought it about 8 months ago for my HD2, for Windows Mobile 6.5. Great piece of software. I contacted ALK to ask if I could transfer between OS's and they said no, it wouldn't work! It also clearly states on their web site that transfers don't work: LINK RESTORED
So being stubborn, I thought I'd take my own license from WinMo and deactivate it, stick it into Android and needless to say - it works and I have a fully legal copy of CoPilot 8 running on my Android Froyo device. Those cheeky beggers at ALK!!!
So how to get it working:
Make sure you still have CoPilot installed under Windows Mobile and activated;
Launch CoPilot. Go to the Menu|Settings|Licensing (NOTE: If you can't see this, find "More Settings" and select that first to show Licensing);
Select your Map Region from the list (Mine was UK and Ireland), then press "Deactivate";
CoPilot will now shut down;
Boot into Android and using an installer, install the APK file which is in the requirements section at the top of the page or here (LINK RESTORED);
Open CoPilot from the Menu and it will ask for your license info. Enter this as you did when you first bought CoPilot (usually a username and password);
Bada Bing. That should be it, all working!
Just to clarify one further time, this is only for legally purchased licenses. No questions about dodgy software please. Thank you.

Very interesting, thanks !
How about Map data ? where do u put it on the card ?

myjupiler said:
Very interesting, thanks !
How about Map data ? where do u put it on the card ?
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It should be on the root of your SD Card in a folder "CoPilot".

I wonder if the text to speech feature will also work.... using the current key.

Thanks, thought that would work, and now I know it will! I'll be setting it up as well.
That was the only reason I would need to go back to WM. I use CP8 all the time!
Hero!

busterdan said:
I wonder if the text to speech feature will also work.... using the current key.
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It has TTS built in!!! Don't even need to buy it! My traffic key worked also!

noellenchris said:
Thanks, thought that would work, and now I know it will! I'll be setting it up as well.
That was the only reason I would need to go back to WM. I use CP8 all the time!
Hero!
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Haha, my motivation for switching was the same. It's better in Android IMO. For example you use the Android keyboard so it's qwerty and accepts voice input. It also has controllable volume over bluetooth For me I always listen to Music via bluetooth and in WinMo there was no control over individual volumes. If I had the volume at a normal level for music, the speech was far too loud. Now it's all controllable

jonboyuk said:
Haha, my motivation for switching was the same. It's better in Android IMO. For example you use the Android keyboard so it's qwerty and accepts voice input. It also has controllable volume over bluetooth For me I always listen to Music via bluetooth and in WinMo there was no control over individual volumes. If I had the volume at a normal level for music, the speech was far too loud. Now it's all controllable
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Man I hated that Copilot non qwerty! Wow, speech too! Neat, just need to download the cp8 app for android now...

@OP (and everyone else)
Would anyone mind if I wrote this up on the front page, as it's great news. Anyone foresee any issues if this becomes 'publicised'? If so, I will hold off.

mic_888 said:
@OP (and everyone else)
Would anyone mind if I wrote this up on the front page, as it's great news. Anyone foresee any issues if this becomes 'publicised'? If so, I will hold off.
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My only concern would be that Copilot ALK may not want us to transfer. But I do think that other HD2 owners or anyone coming from WM should be, and would be, happy to transfer/use CP8 that they paid for on Android.
So I guess ...go for it. I'm switching ASAP just in case...hehe.

Ok, cool thanks. Just thought I'd quickly check - I had the same thoughts as you (noellenchris). I've written up a short article on this, so it should get published sometime tonight/tomorrow (GMT).
If there any strong objections let me know

All working, the only thing I should have done was deactivate Premium Live Services first in WM.... before the UK/IRELAND maps.... not really a big problem as the live services are a waste of time anyway.
To be honest, comparing Copilot to the free Google Navigation app I think Copilot will be dead and buried within a year.

what about tomtom navigator?

deactivation in android?
jonboyuk said:
Since those geniuses Coutlla/Dan fixed GPS for the HD2 Android, I thought for those of you who have purchased Co-Pilot and wish to transfer it over to Android, I'd make a small guide.
Requirements:
- A *LEGAL* copy of CoPilot 8 for Windows Mobile and the license key
- The latest version of CoPilot 8 for Android (works in Froyo now) Link to ALK Web Site
I bought it about 8 months ago for my HD2, for Windows Mobile 6.5. Great piece of software. I contacted ALK to ask if I could transfer between OS's and they said no, it wouldn't work! It also clearly states on their web site that transfers don't work:
Link
So being stubborn, I thought I'd take my own license from WinMo and deactivate it, stick it into Android and needless to say - it works and I have a fully legal copy of CoPilot 8 running on my Android Froyo device. Those cheeky beggers at ALK!!!
So how to get it working:
Make sure you still have CoPilot installed under Windows Mobile and activated;
Launch CoPilot. Go to the Menu|Settings|Licensing (NOTE: If you can't see this, find "More Settings" and select that first to show Licensing);
Select your Map Region from the list (Mine was UK and Ireland), then press "Deactivate";
CoPilot will now shut down;
Boot into Android and using an installer, install the APK file which is in the requirements section at the top of the page or here;
Open CoPilot from the Menu and it will ask for your license info. Enter this as you did when you first bought CoPilot (usually a username and password);
Bada Bing. That should be it, all working!
Just to clarify one further time, this is only for legally purchased licenses. No questions about dodgy software please. Thank you.
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I have done this before to transfer between winmo devices and it works a treat. Do you know if you can do the reverse of this and deactivate it in Android and then reactivate it back in winmo? Be useful to know before I get locked in to android.

mic_888 said:
Ok, cool thanks. Just thought I'd quickly check - I had the same thoughts as you (noellenchris). I've written up a short article on this, so it should get published sometime tonight/tomorrow (GMT).
If there any strong objections let me know
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Quite frankly - I'm flattered, and yes of course you can post it.

chrisnash said:
I have done this before to transfer between winmo devices and it works a treat. Do you know if you can do the reverse of this and deactivate it in Android and then reactivate it back in winmo? Be useful to know before I get locked in to android.
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Yes it is 100% reversible. ALK can't be bothered with all the enquires I think and I truly believe it's a good way for them to make a quick extra money! As a user who paid for it once, I refuse to pay again. Take Photoshop for example, if you buy it for a mac, you can use the same license on a PC and vice versa.
Enjoy!

jasmo1984 said:
what about tomtom navigator?
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AFAIK, there is no TomTom for Android. Quite frankly they are so behind with their mobile software, it's just not worth using anyway.

Hope ALK is planning on integrating the contacts in CP8.... Other than that, it works great.

Anyone know if it will be possible to deactivate my WM version when I don't own my old windows phone any more?

Paradasos said:
Anyone know if it will be possible to deactivate my WM version when I don't own my old windows phone any more?
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Yes you can, but you have to contact them via email or their web site. Just explain and ask them to release your license. I've done it on numerous occasions.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App & HD2

[Q] What will happen to Windows Marketplace?

So with WP7 coming out next month... What whill happen to the current 6.5 marketplace? Will it be merged with the 7 marketplace or be left to wither away slowly?
Thanks guys,
Nick

Interesting question.
I think WM6.x will continue and marketplace will too

A Microsoft manager stated, that WM6.5 will be still alive until all business features from WM6.x are integrated into WP7! So the Windows Marketplace will live until then, indeed!

But really, who cares? The marketplace is still new to WinMo6 and we did fine without it. You're on XDA so you must know how to install CABs. The only thing I can think of that's any good and is exclusive to Marketplace is Shazam.

Yes, but be sure and save the .cab files off somewhere as if Marketplace does disappear (as it inevitably will, from my 25 years of experience as a M$ customer) you may lose access to them.
Marc
at45 said:
But really, who cares? The marketplace is still new to WinMo6 and we did fine without it. You're on XDA so you must know how to install CABs. The only thing I can think of that's any good and is exclusive to Marketplace is Shazam.
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Just like Marketplace knows who you are when you sign in, it will know what device you are using and probably only show you software for it since you'll be accessing it from your phone.

[Q] Android on Motorola MC65

Hello,
My company has recently developed an application. This is a single page application for data collection.
The app works fine on android / IOS devices in the native browser.
However, we have a whole fleet of the Motorola MC65 devices. They run windows mobile 6.5 and they do not properly load the page.
Can anyone give any advice on a possible rom for this device?
Thank you so very much.
Robert

Rwalte16 said:
Hello,
My company has recently developed an application. This is a single page application for data collection.
The app works fine on android / IOS devices in the native browser.
However, we have a whole fleet of the Motorola MC65 devices. They run windows mobile 6.5 and they do not properly load the page.
Can anyone give any advice on a possible rom for this device?
Thank you so very much.
Robert
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Hello Robert
We are in a similar situation with around 20 of those MC65 devices and would like to migrate them to Android. Have you eventually been successful in achieving this?
Thanks for letting me know!
Best
Okihara