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How has everyone's battery life been with the Vibrant? I'm having a few issues with mine, I barely used my phone today, and its down to 57%, with cell standby taking up 33% of the battery.
Search the threads.seriously there are like 5000 battery life threads
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So is there a fix for it? Or is it all samsungs fault? Or will the update solve it? This sucks, my battery can loose 30 percent in a matter of 2 hours...
Your battery has and always will react to the way you use it. If you a new user and play with it all day then its going to go fast. If you use 3g, wifi, bright screen you are going to get crappy battery life.
If you use it like a normal person with 6 to 10 calls a day, light web usage, some text messages you should get a battery to last you all day.
Fire up the screen and watch videos or listen to mp3's all day well then your not.
I turned off every little thing, and i still get crappy battery. Wifi off, gps off, sync off, wallpaper off, the whole shabang.
Does your phone actually die, or does it just show a percentage you are unhappy with?
The measurement seems to be a bit off on the Vibrant.
-bZj
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I was disappointed woth my battery life as well. But I wiped the phone and the battery performs better in my mind. Anyone else have a similar experience?
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After discharging/conditioning it a couple times, my battery is much better. 9 hours of standby overnight, it only lost 10% battery. That's pretty good IMO.
I just unplugged my phone an hour ago, watched some videos, browsed the web and my battery is down to 86%. It dropped 14% in less than an hour!
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Is this your first smart/android phone? Your battery doesn't sound far off for an high end smart phone.you'll eventually learn how to extend the battery, especially after the newness wears off and your not playing with it 24/7 like most of us right now.remember this is an extremely high end phone, it takes a lot of juice to run the high end chip set.if you buy a high performance sports car do you expect to have some fun with it and get 30+mpg doing so? You've gotta understand what you've got. Soon enough there will be extended batteries available and if your willing to root, many devs are capable if tweaking the os to get the most out of the battery without hampering speed our features.
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YR11 said:
How has everyone's battery life been with the Vibrant? I'm having a few issues with mine, I barely used my phone today, and its down to 57%, with cell standby taking up 33% of the battery.
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I'm having major issues too. Down to 28%(down to 25% now just typing this message) after 3 hours this morning. I just powered off and back on and I went from 50% down to 28%
Here we go again g1 all over again Seems like the only way to keep power is to uninstall everything.
I'm also seeing cell standby as a possible issue.
Frustrated... Guess it's time to reset to see if one of my apps is the issue...
I have 35 percent left after being off of the charger for 1 day and 5 hours. This is with light to moderate use, meaning some browsing, some phone calls, some market downloads, about 20 minutes of gaming, syncing, and reading e-mails. Of course my mileage varies if use the phone more. When the phone is about to die I'll snap a pic to share how long a full charge has lasted me.
Already this battery is lasting me 2-3x longer than the G1.
I tried a different battery and it's been really good to me =)
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MMcCraryNJ said:
I have 35 percent left after being off of the charger for 1 day and 5 hours. This is with light to moderate use, meaning some browsing, some phone calls, some market downloads, about 20 minutes of gaming, syncing, and reading e-mails. Of course my mileage varies if use the phone more. When the phone is about to die I'll snap a pic to share how long a full charge has lasted me.
Already this battery is lasting me 2-3x longer than the G1.
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What percent do you show for "cell standby" from setting->about phone->battery use? I'm starting to think that my poor reception area is my issue.
I think the battery percentage shown in the Status is off compared to what is shown on the battery icon. That said, my battery lasts all day with normal use. If i use the web more than normal, of course the battery goes faster but still i usually get all day out of it. May have to charge it some in the evening.
Was hoping it would be better like the iPhone 4 battery seems to be. It is said that 2.2 will have a bit battery life but we'll see. Believe it when i see it.....if we ever get the update
My wife and I got Vibrants at the same time. She was getting great battery life, around 70% by the end of they day, and I was dying just after 1pm. I assumed that i had a defective phone, but decided to wipe it and try running "stock" prior to returning it for a new one.
After wiping the phone and starting over, I'm getting much better battery life, but I think that it's because I didn't use "push" email. I have a corporate Exchange email/calendar/contacts account, and before I had it set to 'push" (or something like that, my phone is syncing DoubleTwist right now, so I can't check. ) When I re-setup my email account, I told it to check only every 15 minutes.
My battery life has been much better this time around, and I think the email sync setting is 1/2 the reason, the other half being that T-Mobile coverage isn't great where I've been the last week. I'm guessing that the "push" sync meant that the phone needs to keep a data link to the server, which is fine if you have strong coverage. When it's weak, then the radio has to work overtime trying to maintain a link, which drains the battery.
I'm going to try this out today and tomorrow, and if the battery life is better than I'll keep it rather than try trading for a new one.
For one, if you're having a battery issue, buy a charger or spare battery. Get a task manager to kill your apps after a certain time and check into what services are running in the background. Just cause you're not playing with the phone doesn't mean its not running or using the battery.
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What percent do you show for "cell standby" from setting->about phone->battery use? I'm starting to think that my poor reception area is my issue.
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Cell Standby is at 24 percent.
Maybe its some quality control issue in the batteries? Everyone is getting such varied battery performance. I'm thinking of calling T-Mobile and requesting a new battery.
I notice on reboots many apps get started automatically. I've gotten better battery life just by manually shutting them down with astro file manager app. Ultimately any time an app is running even if its not using cpu cycles it still costs power to keep it in ram. Manually shutting down will minimize this obviously.
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Hey guys,
Just got my Epic yesterday.. coming from the G1 with lots of experience loading and tweaking ROMs and dealing with same/similar battery issues.
After unpacking the Epic I used it and let it drain down to zero before recharging it; after a full recharge, I loaded up the 7 screens with widgets and ran a live wallpaper (fish). I didn't really use the phone much at all and the phone went from 100% battery down to zero in the span of only four hours!!! Geeze, you've got to be kidding me - four hours battery life?? WTF????!!
Back to the drawing board: I rooted it and ran SetCPU with some power saving profiles. Removed the live wallpaper and went to stock wallpaper. Set display power off at 30 seconds. Note that 4G remains off since there's no 4G in my area..
Couple of questions:
1. Is there any way to toggle 2G/3G like there was on my old G1? I know that was a power saver.
2. I didn't stop to read all the documentation yet (typical male, I know) but is there any way to wake this thing up from sleep mode besides pressing the power button? I can see that power button breaking for as much use as it's getting from me constantly having to wake this thing up!
3. My brightness setting is set to auto - since the display is usually the biggest drain on these things, is there a recommended manual brightness setting (percentage) that seems to work well for you and saves on battery power?
I'm waiting for the Seideo Extended Battery (just like many of you) and am wondering if I should keep the Epic since I'm on the Sprint 30-day Easy Return program.
Appreciate hearing from everyone!
Chris R.
I don't have 4G where I am. But, I have a all black wallpaper(uses less power) and unrooted. I easily get about 12-18hr out of my phone wit normal use(text, talk, and surfing the net with skyfire). Only thing that really kills my battery are games(Robo Defense can take over 30min to play one game).
Thanks for the reply - situation NOT improving
Thanks for the reply.. unfortunately, the situation is not improving...
I tried setting a Sleep Profile using SetCPU that would under-clock the CPU (using the stock kernel) once the screen dimmed and the phone went into Sleep Mode. Unfortunately, as mentioned in another thread here, the result was that the phone froze and required a battery-pull to reset.
I'm really starting to lose my enthusiasm for this device; as beautiful a display and as responsive a CPU/GPU, all of that doesn't mean much if you don't have good power management built into the firmware. At 6PM this evening I pulled it off the charger at 67% charged, it's now 8:35 PM, only 2.5 hours later and I'm down to 22%. I'm in a decent coverage area and get 2-4 bars of 3G strength so I don't think it's an issue of the radio being the culprit; in-fact if you check the battery stats it reports that that lovely Display is accountable for 78% of the battery usage! So I guess we're paying a hefty price for these 4-inch AMOLED displays!
I read somewhere else that the most recent update (DI07) has caused the battery performance to decrease; since my unit is brand-new it immediately went and installed DI07 shortly after the first boot-up so I have nothing to compare it to.. can anyone comment on that?
Thanks!
Chris R.
I'm sure custom ROMs will put performance / battery life on the top of the list but until then, I use JuiceDefender beta and have seen pretty good results with it. It shuts off data whenever the screen is off and since my screen is off a good amount (only use my phone if I need to check email, call, and / or text, which is rare when I'm at work). Other than that, yes, use black wallpaper, lower brightness to the min. in the OS and browser, and don't leave apps that constantly use 3G open (things like ebuddy, pandora, etc.). 3G really destroys battery life so minimal use of 3G data would maximize battery life. Maybe the devs can figure out a way to get at least one full day of battery life on this phone. I'm hoping that is the case.
As to your post, yes, DI07 has resulted in poorer battery life, for whatever reason. I was definitely getting a few hours more with the older firmware. I would not lose hope yet. As disappointed as you are (and all of us are, I can assure you of that), the devs are really starting to push out nice ROMs already, and in a few weeks to a month, I bet we will see some solid battery life. Hell, even 2.2 should yield much better results. Patience
Thanks for the tip!
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I'm sure custom ROMs will put performance / battery life on the top of the list but until then, I use JuiceDefender beta and have seen pretty good results with it. It shuts off data whenever the screen is off and since my screen is off a good amount (only use my phone if I need to check email, call, and / or text, which is rare when I'm at work).
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Thanks for the reply! Also thanks for the tip regarding JuiceDefender! What a great app! will give it some more time and report results back here.
Thanks again!
Chris R.
nimaim said:
I'm sure custom ROMs will put performance / battery life on the top of the list but until then, I use JuiceDefender beta and have seen pretty good results with it. It shuts off data whenever the screen is off and since my screen is off a good amount (only use my phone if I need to check email, call, and / or text, which is rare when I'm at work). Other than that, yes, use black wallpaper, lower brightness to the min. in the OS and browser, and don't leave apps that constantly use 3G open (things like ebuddy, pandora, etc.). 3G really destroys battery life so minimal use of 3G data would maximize battery life. Maybe the devs can figure out a way to get at least one full day of battery life on this phone. I'm hoping that is the case.
As to your post, yes, DI07 has resulted in poorer battery life, for whatever reason. I was definitely getting a few hours more with the older firmware. I would not lose hope yet. As disappointed as you are (and all of us are, I can assure you of that), the devs are really starting to push out nice ROMs already, and in a few weeks to a month, I bet we will see some solid battery life. Hell, even 2.2 should yield much better results. Patience
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DI07 has hurt my battery life substantially. In fact, my battery drains very close to twice as fast now with the update. I don't understand what they did. My phone certainly doesn't seem any faster, my display is dimmer, and battery life sucks. I'm going to have to go back to DG27 so I can use my phone all day. With DI07 it always dies on me by mid afternoon. With DG27 it was still running by 11pm at night without even a battery low warning.
juice defender ftw
also, use advanced task killer with low security settings to kill all the background processes. Set the autokill to when the screen turns off. This keeps everything pretty well managed and helps with battery as well
JUICE DEFENDER BATTERY!!! Saved my phone from flying out of my car window at 10 in the morning........
here is a link to a thread I started.
Sharing my juice defender settings. I also use ultimate juice.
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/sprint-epic-4g/133933-sharing-my-juice-defender-settings.html
I can get a day and a half (or slightly longer) out of a single charge.
YMMV.
Hope this helps
Advanced task killer + Juice Defender. You could also get some custom roms and Kernals that would help boost it.
But that's your best hope. Keep off 4g, wifi, bluetooth, etc.
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DI07 has hurt my battery life substantially. In fact, my battery drains very close to twice as fast now with the update. I don't understand what they did. My phone certainly doesn't seem any faster, my display is dimmer, and battery life sucks. I'm going to have to go back to DG27 so I can use my phone all day. With DI07 it always dies on me by mid afternoon. With DG27 it was still running by 11pm at night without even a battery low warning.
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Look here- try stopping the DRM service and see if that helps your battery life with D107
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Look here- try stopping the DRM service and see if that helps your battery life with D107
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Ah, the evils of DRM can strike in unexpected ways...
I wasn't really having a battery problem but I just turned DRM off, so we'll see if battery life improves anyway.
I had a whole long post here that got wiped with the xda disk array failure, so I'll just sum that up here too:
1) Use wi-fi if possible - it REALLY helps
2) 4G does not seem to use the battery any more than 3G, although hunting for 4G does and 4G coverage is not as extensive as 3G even in 4G areas. So it's still best to leave it off if you're moving around.
3) Dim your screen and use a dark, static background. AMOLED screens don't work like LCD's; they use more power the more pixels are lit and the brighter they are.
4) GPS also kills your battery - leave that off unless you need it too.
I think that's it. I get about 18 hours on DI07 (even before trying the DRM thing; maybe I can get to a full day!).
One thing I'm noticing after checking DRM - I've got Google Maps' LocationService popping up about every 10 seconds, and I can't seem to shut it off permanently. (I went into Lattitude and turned that off, not sure what else to do.) That can't be helping... anyone know how to get rid of that?
I'm using juice defender and a constant email junkie, but lite use on other aspects of the phone. It goes off charger at 5:30 am and I'm about 67% at around 3p. It then goes in the car charger on the way home. This has much better battery life than the Pre or the Hero as with both I had to turn off email to get it to last throughout the day.
I don't expect these phones to last days, but I expect any phone that I get to last the business day. I've always been one to charge overnight.
Wifi drains battery more from what I've read.
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I've heard the opposite that wifi (as long as it's connected) uses up less battery than 3g/4g. Any of them will suck the battery dry if they're searching, so make sure you have a connection to one of them.
Hi everyone, new to the forum. Just started checking it out when the Epic was released and this is my first post. Anyways, here's my question. My phone's been off the charger for 7 hours and 17 minutes and it is now down to 15%.
Display 79%
Cell standby 7%
Android System 4%
Phone idle 2%
Swype 2%
I've gone into the display settings and I thought I had set everything up optimally. The brightness is always very low. The screen timeout is 15 seconds and the keyboard matches that. I don't know what else I can do to cripple the phone to get the battery to last longer.
I have had wifi on, 4g off, bluetooth off, gps off. Really all I have done this afternoon while watching NFL games is check my yahoo fantasy score, play 2 games of WordFeud, and check twitter and facebook. I purchased Juice Defender a week ago and it has been running all day.
Any suggestions for how I can reduce the drain from the display? My background is a black and white picture of a friend of mine, which I thought would help.
Don't get me wrong, I love this phone. But the battery life I've seen is just terrible. I'd love to buy the extended battery from Seidio whenever its available, at least that would make it last longer even if the settings aren't tweaked.
Do you have juice defender installed?
Yep. Its installed and running now.
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Hi everyone, new to the forum. Just started checking it out when the Epic was released and this is my first post. Anyways, here's my question. My phone's been off the charger for 7 hours and 17 minutes and it is now down to 15%.
Display 79%
Cell standby 7%
Android System 4%
Phone idle 2%
Swype 2%
I've gone into the display settings and I thought I had set everything up optimally. The brightness is always very low. The screen timeout is 15 seconds and the keyboard matches that. I don't know what else I can do to cripple the phone to get the battery to last longer.
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There are only two reasons for your display to be using that much battery:
a) it's too bright, or
b) you're using it a lot.
If you're using the phone a lot, your battery's going to run out pretty quick and there's no way around that. If you're using it a "normal" amount, which to me means maybe an hour *total* per day of having the display on, then the other culprit is going to be your brightness. (Some would argue that's less than a normal amount, but think about it... you get a new phone, you're going to play with it for a week or two until you've seen all the cool stuff. But at some point you're going to start putting it away most of the time and just using it when someone calls you, you get a message/email or maybe to play a game or two while waiting for the train.)
Set your brightness *all* the way down, just as a test for a couple days. Make sure all the "power saving" features of the display are turned *off* (auto brightness, and whatever that "picture detection" feature's called, I can't remember). You just want the display as dim as possible all the time, just to see what happens. See what the battery usage says after a day or two of this.
My bet is that you'll see a drop, and then as you get into a more normal usage pattern it'll drop further still. You can raise the brightness a couple ticks then as you learn how to stretch your battery out.
Personally, my display is rarely over 15% or so of my usage. Today it's 29%, but it's a Sunday and I don't have anything better to do but play around on my phone.
btw, it's still the first day I've tried this but that DRM thing might be working. It's almost 9PM and I'm still on like 80% battery, and like I said I have been using the phone off and on throughout the day.
That has helped tremendously. I installed it pretty much when I got the phone and I'm able to last the whole work day with 67% left. (10 hour day)
I know this is beating a dead horse to a pulp, but I'm going to ask any way. I have never been a typical user, and I burn my phone to the ground fast. My usage fluctuates so much testing is almost impossible.
Just asking anyone who has had the patience what they have found the best results with.
I'm currently on Super Clean 0.9 and the OTB ul 1200. Flameless responses appreciated.
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I have the same setup that you do and it seems that I am blowing through my battery even faster with the lower voltage, which makes no sense. I also have noticed significantly worse battery life with DJ05. Not sure if you have noticed these things as well and was the reason for the post.
Im not sure if super clean 0.9 is based off of dj05 as I use my own fragmented rom with prices of everyone elses ROMS. But the best battery life I get is out of dj05 for sure. Running a random kernel that I think adrynalyne or jt posted in irc and I usually get a full day with moderate to heavy web browsing and 3-4 hours of music. But I also have outstanding 3g in both of the places where I live so that doesn't deplete my battery like most people
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With stupidfast 1.54 and superdark dj05 I feel like battery life has improved. I can go through a whole day, minimal use, and still have 82% battery life at the end of the day or hover around 40-50% with regular use.
its 9:20pm right now and I am still at 76%. With some browsing, music, phone calls.
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I have the same setup that you do and it seems that I am blowing through my battery even faster with the lower voltage, which makes no sense. I also have noticed significantly worse battery life with DJ05. Not sure if you have noticed these things as well and was the reason for the post.
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I have seen the same with lv kernels both here and on my N1. possibly needing more pull for higher resource usage, but I'm lacking on the technical knowledge to make sense of that, and have had too much egg nog as of now.
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Im not sure if super clean 0.9 is based off of dj05 as I use my own fragmented rom with prices of everyone elses ROMS. But the best battery life I get is out of dj05 for sure. Running a random kernel that I think adrynalyne or jt posted in irc and I usually get a full day with moderate to heavy web browsing and 3-4 hours of music. But I also have outstanding 3g in both of the places where I live so that doesn't deplete my battery like most people
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I somehow seem to get better life from a stock with BS apps removed, but like I said, haven't tested properly. I usually hate battery life threads but have been aggravated by 9-10 hours before death as of late. Probably just excessive usage, but I'm banking on the community to share exp. with their phones.
Flameless response appreciated.
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With stupidfast 1.54 and superdark dj05 I feel like battery life has improved. I can go through a whole day, minimal use, and still have 82% battery life at the end of the day or hover around 40-50% with regular use.
its 9:20pm right now and I am still at 76%. With some browsing, music, phone calls.
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ROFL. If I could ever put my phone down i might see better life. I like the stupidfast, but saw some minor performance delays that led me back to voodoo. Not much of an improvement on my life tho.
I have been frustrated with battery life on the sf from day one. I called VZ the other day to have the lady tell me it's normal to charge it 3 times a day due to widgets, I then proceeded to waste my breath by telling her I don't run widgets.. Her response was well they will still drain your battery.
I don't want to un root my phone just to take it in to a store and get the battery replaced and apparently calling them won't get me any where either
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I use blue tooth + 3g for an hour drive to work and since the voodoo 5 kernels with the ul settings I have been at 85+% each day from the normal 75+%. So my battery life has improved greatly! Keep up the awesome work devs!
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I get pretty decent battery life out of the DJ05 OTB Voodoo sv combo (around 7 hours with periods of heavy usage). I also use juicedefender but I've heard it cant control the CDMA radio properly (ie disable data and etc) but it appears to lengthen my battery life (could just be a placebo effect however)
I had the same problem....crappy battery life with DJ05 and I tried everything from wiping to endless kernel/rom combos. In the end I found out standby was killing me. Like sometimes an hour would pass without me touching my phone and it would drop 5%. Someone suggested dialing *22899 ( I think that was it) and it was instantly fixed. Now idle I drop maybe a percent every 3 hours.
What I have found is the governor does a great job of managing battery use of the CPU in conservative mode. My best combo is jt 1129 novoodoo kernel paired with black hole 2.1+ (I noticed no significant difference between 2.2 and 2.4 for battery life). My usage is fairly high, 3-8 hours of display on each day, running light apps (hardly any music, never games, synched email). Some of my numbers are posted.
Counter to intuition, I can't seem to get aggressive undervolt kernels to give me an improvement. I think it is because the minimum processor has to be kept a little higher to sustain the underlying, so on average more offline drain. This makes no sense though, because when I look at it in os monitor, the governor seems to be doing fine.
Speculating here is pretty dicey, because I have a hard time doing a lot of testing of something that doesn't seem to work. I use my phone a lot, and it is hard to justify having 40% less life span when I know of better combos.
In summary:
* I have NOTHING to say about voodoo kernels.
* negligible difference from leaving wifi and GPS and live wallpaper on.
* negligible difference between dj05 roms.
* running a custom rom gives a noticeable improvement betrays simply running ADW on to of touch wiz
* stock kernel is pretty darned good for battery life, competitive with best kernels.
* the cpu does great self management stock and mostly runs at 100 mhz for my use
* certain under volt kernels appear to under perform during non intensive tasks, but it is hard to be certain.
* bluetooth matters, only turn it on when driving or planning to talk; it does eat battery.
* leave brightness at auto or lower, pick a dark theme wherever possible. Display is the number one eater of battery. White sucks your life.
* there isn't a lot you can do to optimize battery life. Retraining the battery either works or it doesn't, but it isn't really necessary for most system or kernel changes and should be done infrequently.
* there are a few ways to eat battery fast.
* use a theme that shows battery in 1% increments, great for sanity!
* rule of thumb display on uses 4.5 times the power of display off for light apps. -- So theoretical max life on this phone is around 8.5 hours with display on, 42 hours with display off. (typical is about 4.5 hours of display on before I charge it) and yeah I should check my math... I have never had a practical test anything close to 8 hours. I would expect about 6.5 if I never locked it and kept it running in a dark app, with little data and sound use. I think a review I read got about 7.5 hours of playing avatar on loop (probably tmo galaxy s)- a result I found mystifying at the time. My personal best is about 5.5 display on.
Swyped w/ XDA App. When in doubt, jingle.
That was very informative.
I'm on Blackhole 2.4 and I tried one of the Stupidfast undervolted kernels (v1.5.4) for a week and although the battery useage improved a bit, it was somehow affecting my phones wireless reception, wifi and mobile signal. My phone usually flies thru webpages at home when it gets wifi yet it was crawling when I was on that kernel. My phone would randomly freeze as well. I just switched back to JT's 12/12 DJ05 kernel and eventhough battery useage is less desireable, I got my wireless reception back. I also just switched to a dark wallpaper, used to have an ocean / blue sky image as wallpaper. I think those beautiful/fancy weather/clock widgets affect battery useage on how often it updates itself. I switched out of beautiful widgets to gTabSimiClock widget, see if that makes a difference. I like its more simpler look.
Hey guys im in the process of doing a little experiment to see actually how much Juice Defender with Ultimate Juice actually improves the battery life on my Evo4G. I'm sure this has been done somewhere else i just couldn't find it so i decided to do the experiment myself and post my findings this may be useful to some people or may not!
Phone: Evo 4G
ROM: Cyanogen Mod 6.1.2
Kernal: Zendroid BFS @ 1.52ghz w/ smartass scaling
Launcher: Go Launcher
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Phone running Juice Defender With Ultimate Juice
Phone Unplugged At 11:42am
Phone Died At 8:59pm
Usage: For the most part it was moderate use, no gaming, 2 calls lasting for a total of aproximatly 45 minutes. 120 texts were sent and received 146 within the time frame. There was no browser usage just mostly texting like i said. 3 Pictures were taken. No Wifi. Bluetooth or 4G used either.
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Phone running without Juice Defender With Ultimate Juice
Phone Unplugged At: 2:50pm
Phone Died At: Never
Usage: Well my phone has been unplugged since 2:50pm and its now 12:35am and my battery is sitting at 55%. Weird... very weird. I had about the same usage as yesterday i played 1 game for a total of probably 10minutes and installed 4 apps. A had wifi enabled for probably an hour total.
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Final Thought: I think Juice Defender doesnt help at all, infact it seems to hurt your battery more than anything. I think it may be because its constantly turning things off and back on consuming battery? Thats the only thing i can think of. Does anyone else have any thoughts on why this is? Using Juice Defender reduced my battery life dramatically it almost cut its life in half as a matter of fact. Please share your thoughts on why this is people!
bump bump bump!!!!!
beanx said:
Hey guys im in the process of doing a little experiment to see actually how much Juice Defender with Ultimate Juice actually improves the battery life on my Evo4G. I'm sure this has been done somewhere else i just couldn't find it so i decided to do the experiment myself and post my findings this may be useful to some people or may not!
Phone: Evo 4G
ROM: Cyanogen Mod 6.1.2
Kernal: Zendroid BFS @ 1.52ghz w/ smartass scaling
Launcher: Go Launcher
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Phone running Juice Defender With Ultimate Juice
Phone Unplugged At 11:42am
Phone Died At 8:59pm
Usage: For the most part it was moderate use, no gaming, 2 calls lasting for a total of aproximatly 45 minutes. 120 texts were sent and received 146 within the time frame. There was no browser usage just mostly texting like i said. 3 Pictures were taken. No Wifi. Bluetooth or 4G used either.
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Phone running without Juice Defender With Ultimate Juice
Phone Unplugged At: 2:50pm
Phone Died At: Never
Usage: Well my phone has been unplugged since 2:50pm and its now 12:35am and my battery is sitting at 55%. Weird... very weird. I had about the same usage as yesterday i played 1 game for a total of probably 10minutes and installed 4 apps. A had wifi enabled for probably an hour total.
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Final Thought: I think Juice Defender doesnt help at all, infact it seems to hurt your battery more than anything. I think it may be because its constantly turning things off and back on consuming battery? Thats the only thing i can think of. Does anyone else have any thoughts on why this is? Using Juice Defender reduced my battery life dramatically it almost cut its life in half as a matter of fact. Please share your thoughts on why this is people!
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thanks for the info. i try to tell people that juice defender doesn't help. but no one listens so i gave up and just tell them cool app and walk away lol.
very helpful post. I noticed too it doesnt seem to really help it just monitors mobile data and turns it off when screen is off and occasionally powers it on to download emails and ****. I dont like it because i like to kno when i get an email instantly versus it checking every 30 min.
I also found that juice defender seemed to have a negligible impact on my battery life while also decreasing speed of sync/convenience. You'll notice that it also makes android system skyrocket towards the top of the battery use list.
On a related note, I also found that setcpu profiles don't have an impact on battery life and may even hurt.
Ultimately, android is optimized to manage a lot of these things on its own and introducing an app that consumes battery both monitoring and brute forcing some of these activities doesn't make sense. The only active monitoring app I use now is Tasker for some specialized automation activities.
i cant believe this is an app that most people recommend to improve battery life tho. Especially with how much it hurts rather than helps. Very disappointing.
It has helped mine because I use the widget to manually shut it off and on. I don't let it control it. Since the epic doesn't have the shut off data in the power menu its good for me. Otherwise I agree with you all. I keep my data off until I need it to look something up. Personal preference. But hey it does shut my data off when I tell it to.
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Rom: Never stock, but always with some Gingerbread.
I had been using juice defender and setcpu for a while trying to get the best battery life, but I ditched them both about a month ago and I'm getting better life than ever before lol
I've got 58% left in the battery and the phone has been up for 32 hours. I thought I was helping by micromanaging the phone with JD but I think it was really just hurting it.
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I've got 58% left in the battery and the phone has been up for 32 hours. I thought I was helping by micromanaging the phone with JD but I think it was really just hurting it.
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32 hours up and only down to 58%? Mind if I ask how you set thigns up that your phone is so energy efficient?
It was a great application, Donut times, it literally made my Magic 32a survive the day against the not-even-a-day battery life at those times. Nowadays it is simply useless due to android better app management.
Hmmm...I have been using this for a few months now and I've seen dramatic improvement in my battery life. I usually unplug my phone at 7 each morning and by noon on moderate usage days I'm at 60%. Using JuiceDefender, my phone is typically at 80%. By 5pm with its only at %60. Normally I would get home at 5 and it would be around 30%. Interesting.
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With more iterations of Android they are improving power managment, Ya back a little bit ago this helped some people alittle it closing out processes and way to handle things but with android development alot of this stuff is getting worked into the OS, basically now all your doing is running a app constantley that does something handled by the OS now in newer builds.
I wonder in some cases if the juice defender and the OS both trying to do power management if it can actually cause more power loss due to a conflict in the two trying to controll items. Of course OS should have higher pid but could cause some of your increased power drain using both
try the beta
im using it on my epic and my evo i think it helps both but i am also using the free beta i dont think the regular one works
i'm shocked there's even a thread for this. i put it on a stock epic and it made a WORLD of difference.. especially in locations where my signal was poor and evdo service kept dropping. my issues with it are of a different nature. seems to get corrupt alot and the wifi locations service sucks
Hmm, i'm confused on how this could actually hurt battery life, especially by the amount you displayed unless you have it doing all kinds of other management as well. I have mine setup to only manage the data APN, disabling on screen off, and seem to have gained decent battery life from it. The widget to toggle data on/jd on/off is very handy as well.
Pretty sure android doesn't do anything natively that turns off data when phone is at rest/screen off, does it? Someone please correct me if i'm wrong.
I will admit, the new versions of JD do seem to be pretty bloated and sluggish.. i've been on the fence of whether to remove or not... The main reason i keep it on my device is because i work in a basement and get about 65% TWS and severe battery drain from that. With JD managing 3G, it helps mitigate that somewhat, and having it be automatic is much more convenient than toggling it manually all the time.
I may have to join you on some testing, because if JD is not gaining me anything, i'll definately be removing it as it sometimes causes some initial sluggishness when turning the screen on. From daily usage experiences (and i watch it like a hawk), my battery life has definately not been made worse.. older versions seemed to net me more life, and i'm undecided on the new versions. Not enough time with it on/off to decide yet.
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JD helps... it will slow down notifications and stuff, if you need always on data then this won't help. However, during the day I'm usually already online and don't need non-stop notifications and if you use JuicePlotter you can clearly see that while sitting idle with JuiceDefender on you use significantly less battery than if you don't have JuiceDefender active and have it sitting idle.
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are you using the free, pro, or ultimate version? looking to buy if it really saves battery life.
which configs did you use? I had it a few months ago and my battery did actually improve. Trying some different settings makes a huge improvement.
I am using superpower now. (from XDA actually) And this is really working, it also takes some configuration, but eventually it will benefit your battery life.
Superpower turns data to 2g when your screen is off, disables wifi and bluetooth and sets your cpu to a 400mhz cap (at least with my phone) I noticed a 1% overnight drain and a 200% increase in battery life. (basically I do two days with heavy use vs. one day before)
Hope this helps some people!
The only thing that actually changes the battery in an evo is a kernel. No quick fix app is going to help how your system interacts with your battery! Senseui is garbage and it sucks up battery life like no bodies business!
Hi,
I recently flashed my G2 to the leaked T-Mobile gingerbread release: so it's not rooted or anything like that. I'm not using it any differently to how I was before.
The upgrade went very smoothly. However, the battery seems to be draining a lot more quickly than prior to the upgrade, and Android's battery usage app points a very damning finger at the display: currently it's showing 67% usage, and pretty consistently shows a high usage most of the day.
Before, I could consistently run the phone for the whole day and charge overnight, but now I'm finding that I have to charge it a bit during the day too in order for it to make it to the night.
I'm pretty sure that I'm not using it any more than usual, and I pretty much always have brightness set to 20%.
So my question is, what could be causing this? Could something be using the screen when it's not supposed to be even though it's not showing anything? Could it be a battery calibration issue? Maybe the power usage app in gingerbread calculates what it attributes power consumption to differently to froyo (though that wouldn't explain the overall reduction in life). What, if anything, could I do to try and track this down further?
Any suggestions would be appreciated!
Some things I should add.
I really haven't changed my behaviour regarding how I use things like wifi, bluetooth and gps. In fact, so far I actually have one fewer gmail account set up on it that before the upgrade, so sync should be doing less work. The apps I'm using are all about the same.
When I said I could use it for the day, I mean it would often end the day with more than 50% battery left. On some days I'd get it down really low, but that would be due to obvious extra usage, which isn't the case here. Occasionally I'd let it die completely. I always charge it fully overnight.
Finally, here are the other top items in my power consumption list at the moment:
Display: 67%
Maps: 8%
Cell standby: 7%
Phone idle: 5%
I seem to remember that before the upgrade, Cell standby and Phone idle were usually the top users of power.
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Sorry, but I don't see any problem. Maybe its just placebo. This is the same on every android based phone. I Had HD2 and had 2 NAND androids till now and the battery stats were showing also display use 60% and then after new NAND version - gingerbread they were up to 80%+ but the battery was better than ever before.
Let me explain it to you. The display should consume most of the battery if you have 3.7 inch display and more. Maybe some navigation and 3G is the biggest sucker like the display but with normal use the Display. And if your display consumes lets say 75% of battery over when you are at 1% battery then it means it sucked 3/4 of your battery and just 25% other things did like phone idle and cell.
If it was before and your display consumed like 40% or less that meant that the other things like cell standby, phone idle consumed more power so it wasnt battery efficient. So its more battery efficient. Maybe you just have much more awake time than you did before. The awake time - sucks the hell of your phone(some apps warn you taht your phone wont turn to the sleep, which means your processor is still working hard which means your battery will deplete completely in a short time)
I experienced this also that my phone lasted only 6 hours or so and before it could wen to all day . Then I deleted some apps which were causing it and my battery was perfect.
and last advice. try to charge your phone via USB, I dont really know why it is caused but it will last longer , but on the other hand you will have to charge it longer. But if you go somewhere where the extra juice is needed then its nice.
With these steps my HD2 with old battery (about 1000mah left on 100%) went through 2 days of medium USE and about 5 days of just receiving calls and messages) so I dont know anyone else who could say that !
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hope I helped you. GL a HF
If you can stand it, turn the brightness as low as you can handle . EDIT, you're already doing that....hmm
Not sure why gingerbread is giving you problems, personally I find it slightly better with battery than froyo.
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Hmmm... placebo. By that, I presume you mean that since Display is ranking higher in the list now, that's making me think more battery is being used before. I suppose it's possible, but really it's more to do with how often I've been reaching that "I should charge" point, which for me is a function of battery level and time. If I get to 50% before lunch time, I think "I should charge". But getting to 15% just before bed I don't. What I've noticed is that since the upgrade I've reached the "I should charge" point every day.
I'm just very surprised by how the proportions in the battery usage list have changed, while a the same time the phone's battery usage seems to have increased, despite the fact that Gingerbread's battery usage is supposed to be improved.
One other thing that came to mind: perhaps Gingerbread's battery usage is just more accurate than Froyo's? It always seemed to me that the battery level used to work a lot like a car's fuel gauge: it would stick at 100% for a long time and then would drain. It was as though "full" as a concept understood by Android was a range rather than a limit, and so as a result the phone appears to drain more quickly, but it's actually just showing a more accurate battery level over time. Just a theory.
So last night I allowed the phone to completely die. This morning I switched on and immediately checked battery usage: display showing 99%, which is exactly what I'd expect. So I'll see how it goes now that Gingerbread has experienced battery exhaustion.
Personally, if I was upgrading from Froyo to Gingerbread, I'd prefer to start from scratch rather than doing an "in-place upgrade". I'd worry that maybe there are some leftover settings or files from Froyo that could cause unintended consequences. Consider backing up as much data/apps as you can (it's more difficult if you don't have root), charging the battery up to 100%, doing a factory reset, and then restoring and reinstalling everything back. Doing this will also reset Android's battery stats file, so you may find your battery levels maybe inaccurate while it's relearning the right levels for a few days.
Alternatively, if you don't fancy a factory reset just yet, you could try monitoring your power use with a widget like CurrentWidget which looks that the current draw rather than percentages. Also consider installing Watchdog Lite which might be able to help you identify if there are any processes using excessive CPU cycles.
EDIT: Just realised that if you flashed a leaked version, the install would probably have wiped everything anyway, so you can probably disregard the first paragraph.
Like the others have said, I think the screen usage being higher in 2.3 has more to do with the reduced usage of other apps and not the screen using more battery than in 2.2.
Think about it, most of the high battery usage items (web browsing, etc) also keep the screen on at the same time.
Yes, that's probably mostly because other things are using less power. I also suspect that maybe Gingerbread's battery usage app is calculating display usage differently: I just checked it on someone else's G2 (still running Froyo) and Display was way down the list. It dominates mine, even though I haven't used it that much today.
Today's power consumption has been a lot better. It's down to 39% now after 12.5 hours on battery, with 59% of that being attributed to Display. So that's not bad at all really.
Thanks for the tips on the monitoring apps. I'm already using System Panel (which only seems to care about apps and not hardware so much), but it's always worth checking out alternatives.
Couldn't it be due to you being in areas with bad connection?
I noticed that my G2 is down tot 30% after a few hours at school in bad reception+bad wifi areas. When I'm home the whole day my G2 is still at 60% at 10pm.
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