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hi there!
i got my touch hd last week and i have sth i wonder about if it is right or sth like a defect:
the touchscreen works great and its everything ok with it... but:
it seems to me that the touchscreen is sth like a foil that recognizes the inputs/pressure. fo safety reasons and to keep this foil from being damaged/scratched, there is a thick(er) plastic foil over this first "touch-foil".
on my device, the seems to be some space between these to foils in the middle of the screen. sth like ~0.5mm or so.
the effect is, that (my touch-sensitivity is set to max) touching a control at the SIDE of my screen very softly leads to imminent touch-recognition, while in the center of the screen there is this "gap" between the foils so that one has to push the upper foil down these 0.5mm until the touch is recognized.
acutually i can really FEEL that i have to push down the outer foil until the touchscreen recognizes the input...
i checked another hd-device (the one of a friend) and his device did not have this "gap".
is this a defect so i should return my device to htc for repairs or is this a common thing and nothing to worry about?
Hello,
I have the same "gap problem" but I think it is supposed to be like that.
even this phone from this friend mentined does not have this spacing? i'm anxious that this is sth thats not right...
anyone else here with the same sort of problem?
I have the same problem with the screen
HD has resistive touchscreen which has very thin layer before glass. In bigger screens, like HDs it has small gap in it.
Some older devices had way worse problems with this, like my wizard it felt like 1mm gap sometimes.
Try to live with it, its more like feature in resistive screens
Go for iphone if you dont want it.
lefteyeclosed said:
i checked another hd-device (the one of a friend) and his device did not have this "gap".
is this a defect so i should return my device to htc for repairs or is this a common thing and nothing to worry about?
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The pressure in the touch screen should be uniform, but in some units it's not.
If you can, you should replace (not repair) it with a new one.
In my unit it's harder to press the uppper corners with the pen, but its a small diference, I have to make a bit more pressure (less than double pressure).
Mr.Wolf said:
The pressure in the touch screen should be uniform, but in some units it's not.
If you can, you should replace (not repair) it with a new one.
In my unit it's harder to press the uppper corners with the pen, but its a small diference, I have to make a bit more pressure (less than double pressure).
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Hi, thats exactly the problem I have on mine (specifically the upper right where the Close button is)!! Mine is only 5 days old from Orange. Do you think I should get it replaced? When typing texts etc the 'keyboard' feels spongy - I am guessing this is the gap people talk about?
Thanks for any advice.
Rich
This is not a defect...it is just the glass screen is installed on different ways...my has some 0.1mm gap in the middle..but almost nil at the side..
But if your gap is around 0.5mm, I understand it is quite annoying...go and replace it but test the new ones first...
It is luck dependent..
you might get bad pixel(s)
Duffy buttons
peeling paint
flickering display
Mine is quite perfect... since I bought it to Fortress store in HK..and opened up at least 5 units and chose the perfect ones..
BUT I stayed there for almost an hour ..checking..
Thanks for your reply. I have just received a replacement from Orange today and the screen seems a bit more responsive however it rattles when its in vibrate mode so I am getting another one tomorrow evening. Orange have been very good about this I have to say.
Thx again
Rich
Hi, does anyone have dust under touch screen and LCD close to volume up button. When you look on the sun or strong light.
Theres gap between LCD and top glass and bad sealing around. Have never had any spec of dust in TD1.
Hope its not gonna cover whole display soon... ((
Sent it to the service center, they gonna exchange display with top touch screen. Thats HTC display defect...
They just blowed away the dust between LCD and Touch screen (not perfectly), I think that glued LCD with touch surface is much more better, this is not very good solution on TD2. Im disappoited with HTC Company.
WELL, MAYBE IM TOO PERFECTIONIST...
After several disassembly of my TD2 (testing) found the place where the dust comes in... Will describe it with pics later on...
Nope. Just a spec of dust that got under my screen protector
I've got a spec of dust close to the speaker side of the screen
oh, 2bad :/
this is indeed frustrating.
i'm on the lucky side...for now.
pedroo said:
Hi, does anyone have dust under the display close to volume up button. When you look on the sun or strong light.
Theres too much space between display and top glass and bad sealing around. Have never had any spec of dust in TD1.
Hope its not gonna cover whole display soon... ((
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Yes I have exactly that. Very annoying!!! I too hope it doesn't get any worse.
I have also noticed dust between the two layers of the touchscreen in bright sun light. IMO it's a severe design flaw!
I had dust under the screen yesterday and today. Right now it seems to have migrated away.
The Diamond 1's LCD disply and Digitizer were pressed and seald together as one unit I beleive. The D2 isn't and has a Gap between the glass and LCD. I much prefer the LCD up against the glass with no gap. looks sharper, brighter, and better.
I think they skimped out a little on the D2 quality to keep cost down and also economize a little. Look at the packaging. I really don't mind it because the quality is still good and HTC probably saved some bucks and will thrive and give us even better phones when the economy strengthens.
HTC Touch Freak said:
I had dust under the screen yesterday and today. Right now it seems to have migrated away.
The Diamond 1's LCD disply and Digitizer were pressed and seald together as one unit I beleive. The D2 isn't and has a Gap between the glass and LCD. I much prefer the LCD up against the glass with no gap. looks sharper, brighter, and better.
I think they skimped out a little on the D2 quality to keep cost down and also economize a little. Look at the packaging. I really don't mind it because the quality is still good and HTC probably saved some bucks and will thrive and give us even better phones when the economy strengthens.
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you're right.
I got a diamond last year.everything were perfect.
in 6 days ago, I got a Diamond2
the box..........so cheap..
well , that doesn't a matter.
BUT, when I check ....
1.the backplate is very shining ...............
What,.... when they were painting, they DID NOT check the dust on the
backplate.......
so , I change a new phone
2.the ups said that Diamond1 the display and that screen we touch or tap is a
same unit is really correct. In Taiwan, if your panel got any problems, you have to change the whole part.
at the final, to me , that isn't a problem ..
Because, the new Diamon2 I got , got a same problem
(dust in screen, and now , I can not find it lol.
but I have to say,
In taiwan , we really hope, HTC have got better and better..
with a bset quality.
hey diecorroder
so is TD2 good??
i dont know what to buy.... the HTC thouch HD or the TD2....
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so is TD2 good??
i dont know what to buy.... the HTC thouch HD or the TD2....
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HA HA, in Taiwan that is a really really old conversation.
at the final, the point is
1.do you really need a 3.5 phonejack?
2.do you care about the size of you phone?
3.and the performance, it's same. Just like custom rom from Diamond2 can work on HD, so .. perfermance is not the point when you have to choose from the two phone.
to me, the HTC earphone I have is a really old model, but it got a gool quality,so I don't need a 3.5, and it's too big to put into my pocket
so I choose DIAMOND2
by the way , original rom in Diamond2 is really good..
(it is not my first HTC pda phone, I have got CHT9000,9100,9110,Elfin,Diamond..., but truely, it's first time I did not so hurry to find a custom Rom)
hey
well TD2 is new here in europe hehe..
3.5mm jack is stupid.read this.
http://pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detail&t=news&id=6885
The htc touch HD is 3.8 inch and TD2 is 3.2 inch its not that much of a difrance.
and the touch screen is better on the TD2.
so i will go for the TD2
one more thing, it says that TD2 supports WMV, ASF, MP4, 3GP, 3G2, M4V, AVI formats. Dose that means that i dont need coreplayer??
I have experienced the same problem of dust accumulating beneath the screen in the top left corner.....only had the device a week!.
I sent it back for exchange and have now received another new device. Ive noticed the screen on the new device flexes a little when you press it.
I guess time will tell, whether this will be as bad!
me too
My TD2 isn't even one week old and I have the exact same problem in the same position!
...really pisses me off. how can something like this happen to such an experienced class leading company?
this is just cheap!
Dust under the display
that really bad news
i think i will wait for diamond 3
Aqrab said:
Dust under the display
that really bad news
i think i will wait for diamond 3
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yeah, me too although i gonna buy a new one, but after read this, i think i need to think carefully
I think if HTC members that there are problems with the dust, they (hopefully) will search for a solution
This is not a good advert for HTC
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I had dust under the screen yesterday and today. Right now it seems to have migrated away.
The Diamond 1's LCD disply and Digitizer were pressed and seald together as one unit I beleive. The D2 isn't and has a Gap between the glass and LCD. I much prefer the LCD up against the glass with no gap. looks sharper, brighter, and better.
I think they skimped out a little on the D2 quality to keep cost down and also economize a little. Look at the packaging. I really don't mind it because the quality is still good and HTC probably saved some bucks and will thrive and give us even better phones when the economy strengthens.
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if the TD2 display really glass ? I thought it was plastic
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if the TD2 display really glass ? I thought it was plastic
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It's beleive it is glass. I don't know exactly. Some people on here have complained that it is cheap flexible plastic but it is not the same as the Elfin. That was plastic for sure and I ave already replaced the digitizer on the Elfin.
We all know that there are 2 layers to the screen and I beleive it is what makes it more sensitive and accurate than other resistive screens. (among other things)
My Tought
There is a plastic membrane, if you take the stylus and look across the plane of the screen while pressing it you will see it flex. This flex is limited though due to there being glass. Tap and poke at it and you can hear/feel it. This is also proven by the fact that you can press with fairly great pressure and never come in contact with the LCD. You never get and color mixtures or whatever that's called. So the digitizer is 2 layers. A plastic to highten risitiveness of the screen and glass to protect the lcd and limit the memrane travel.
Pleas note that this is just what I have observed and noticed about the device and beleive it to be correct. Do not take it as 100% truth but please do observe the flexing and how you can press fairly hard without even touching the actual LCD.
Touch Freak, I belive you are right, makes total sense...
No other with the dust problem???
I want to migrate from TP to TD2... but if the dust problem persist I probably desist...
later
Tyrone
I don't have any dust problem with my TD2...
I think we'll need to start some poll thread...
Hi to all who have dust between the touch screen digitizer and LCD.
I send my device 3 times to the authorised HTC service center because of this problem, they cleaned it (not perfectly) and the dust was back again after few days of use. This was really ennoying for me...
After several disassemblies, cleaning, research where dust comes in, then assembles I found the flaw.
The dust doesn’t come in via sealing foam between the touch screen digitizer and LCD.
There is a bump defect of phone housing around the volume keys. Inside of the plastic housing is a metal frame, where the touch screen digitizer is stacked on - that frame is a little bended and the touch screen doesn’t stick properly on it (around the volume keys only). When you look close on the phone you can see also a little wider gap between the touch screen top glass and silver plastic housing edge. (See picture)
WARNING
The following directions WILL VOID
your warranty - you are performing
this repair at your own risk.
So, now, what you have to do:
For those, who have already dust in, just simply disassembly your device (if you are brave enough, have all tools and precise hands - maybe some experience ) and remove PROPERLY all dirt with brush, compressed air and antistatic cloth, then assemble it back or send the device to the service center to clean it (wont void the warranty). Before sealing your TD2 (keep it in plastic bag away from dust) prepare a sharp wooden toothpick, neutral transparent or black silicone (you can purchase it from any building material shop) and cotton cloth.
Now you have to clean the gap between whole plastic silver housing frame and touch screen top glass with soft brush. Then use sharp wooden toothpick to impress the silicone into the gap (all gaps you can see, just in case) (silicone does not damage phone housing and TSCR surface and it’s easy to clean), then just gently and properly wipe off all the rest of silicone from phone surface. (be careful not to get silicone to the keys or phone receiver slot)
Leave the phone for several hours to get silicone dry.
Then you can use your TD2 in dusty environment and your display stays absolutely clean and dusty free. (TESTED on mine, for me perfect phone now and I am very happy with it...)
For those who have a little dust in and want to stop come more in and those who are planning to buy TD2 (dont wanna play the lottery faulty or not ), do the same procedure (silicone impress only) after unwrapping your device from plastic package.
GOOD LUCK!!! ENJOY YOUR ABSOLUTELY DUSTY FREE DEVICE!!!
Sorry for my English
I don't know about you guys, but I'm not crazy enough to void the warranty of my phone because of a minor thing like that. When mine gets dirty, I send it back and that's it.
If it gets dirty again, I send it back again...
But, it's a good tutorial for the "brave ones" anyway Thanks for sharing your experience with us.
HastaSSSS
I sent mine back over a week ago due to this dust problem (in fact I delivered it in person to HTC repair center in Milton Keynes) hoping for a quick turnaround.
I'm still waiting for it to come back and missing it terribly. I'm back to using my old Nokia E71 which is a great phone but I like my new one and want it back so I may go down the route of the OP just so I don't have to repeat the return each time I get a dust issue.....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=519463
i dont want to hijack this thread. if i am then i am sorry
but hopefully you can input your expertise into this thread or help form an opinion for a new thread
I just got a topaz and want to keep dust from getting in but I'm confused about the sillicon. Could you describe more clearly what it is and maybe post a picture so I have some idea what it should look like.
from the picture, for the second gap, apply the protective foil that comes with the phone. Should solve a bit the problem. Ber in mind that after apply, the touchscreen will not have the same sensitivity. You'll have to tap a little bit harder ...
i think you meant screen protector no?
anyway thx for the info,
if anyone knows how to disassemble this device pls help
yes, screen protector. Better not use the screwdriver ... remember warranty ...
I thought these dust under the screen issues had been fixed long ago, but now it seems the problem that affected my old c600 has come back to ruin my topaz after just 1 week.
Not impressed.
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from the picture, for the second gap, apply the protective foil that comes with the phone. Should solve a bit the problem. Ber in mind that after apply, the touchscreen will not have the same sensitivity. You'll have to tap a little bit harder ...
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I already use a screen protector. I'm more concerned about the first gap. I really don't want dust to happen since I bought my phone second hand and it doesn't have a warrenty.
you can always use a can of pressurized air to get the dust out. (same you use with PCs)
Wouldn't you need two holes that are connected if your blowing air into the device? One for the air to go in and one for the dust to go out? I don't have any dust under my screen currently and would like it to remain that way. The silicon method doesn't seem to difficult or dangerous which is why I'm interested in what silicon to use.
from what I understood (from the pictures in the 1st post), it's not actually a hole, but a free space = gap.
I opened the D2 (only the two upper screws - for lifting the inner part a bit) and did have a look for "gaps" somewhere around the volume controls - i did not really see a gap
But for getting out the dust: dont blow air into the D2 but get the air out - i actually used a vacuum-cleaner. If you remove the two screws it is possible to lift the LCD below the volume sliders *A LITTLE BIT* (=about 0,5 mm only!!!!!) with a small screw driver to create a gap. It worked quite well. (be aware of high air flow and possible static electricity)
But i really would like to know, where exactly to apply some supplementary sealing to get rid of the dust-problem. Any detailed pic would be appreciated.
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But i really would like to know, where exactly to apply some supplementary sealing to get rid of the dust-problem. Any detailed pic would be appreciated.
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Yeah Me too!
OK, people, just put some neutral silicone between (in the gap) silver plastic frame and touch screen (there is just 0,2 -0,5 mm gap, almost invisible) and you wont get any dust under the touch screen. This is the best solution, you could do it from inside, but its much more complicated...
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OK, people, just put some neutral silicone between (in the gap) silver plastic frame and touch screen (there is just 0,2 -0,5 mm gap, almost invisible) and you wont get any dust under the touch screen. This is the best solution, you could do it from inside, but its much more complicated...
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What exactly is neutral silicone? Do you have a picture of it so I know what to buy?
I'm about to buy the TD2,
is it so big problem this dust under the screen?
Does it happen often?
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I'm about to buy the TD2,
is it so big problem this dust under the screen?
Does it happen often?
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I've had it for about a week and the user I bought it from had it supposedly for about 3 weeks and so far no dust. I'm still terrified its going to happen though.
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OK, people, just put some neutral silicone between (in the gap) silver plastic frame and touch screen (there is just 0,2 -0,5 mm gap, almost invisible) and you wont get any dust under the touch screen. This is the best solution, you could do it from inside, but its much more complicated...
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Thanks for the pic, pedroo - so they simply should have glued the digitizer surface a bit more careful to the housing...
...thinking a bit about applying the radical solution - not sure yet
Dear all,
anybody already experienced a broken touch screen?
My Leo fell from 50cm to the ground (tiles), just on the edge. The sound it hit the ground already let me knew - bad suprise...
If you have already some experiences with broken screens: Is there a way to repair it? Is it be affordable?
The device itself seems to work as usual. Even in the upper right corner, the sensitivity seems fair. But I fear a breaking screen as already some glassy bits drissel out...
Thx for tipps
TC
i belive its called digitizer on most touch screens.
not sure if HD2 has different technology.
but the LCD screen is separate from the touchscreen part(thats what you broke)
search ebay for HTC HD2 digitizer
heres the ebay link i bought a camera LCD display from them few times
http://compare.ebay.com/like/220603...fb0fe93&itemid=220603974499&ff4=263602_263632
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/ipod-touch2.htm
Hey dude,
Check out this thread
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=613954&page=20
I broke my glass on my screen and ordered a new digitizer, stripped it apart, broke the LCD in the process (a common occurrence as the glass/LCD glue is STRONG), ordered a new LCD, repaired and it works.. didn't quite go back together as it started (slight gap in case, buttons don't come through as much as they used to). Now have the problem of the 'bubble wrap' showing on the screen in a few places.
In short, yes it can be done but if you want it doing right get a professional to do it..
Any one else with there own experiences?
heat it up so the glue is soft and comes off easier, between the screen and digitizer.
if you have sun leave it in the sun to get it up to good temperature.
safest way since it will not get too hot where it melts.
Hi.
I love my Mini I own it for about a mouth.
My problem is the back cover that doesn't feel "solid", when I hold it on the hand and press the screen I feel the cover "creak" and flex.
Is this normal?
I don't remember feeling this at the beginning.
Thanks in advance
Everyone's back cover don't bend/flex a little when pressing the screen normally?
Only me?
My back cover is loose also and it can be removed very easily (we are not alone - see this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=687326).
It seems that there are two versions of the cover because some people seem to have problems removing the back cover (see this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=674089).
My Mini makes some "crack" sounds too when I press the screen. But this is normal But indeed it is irritating sometimes
That's normal. I had my first unit with snug fit cover. Unfortunately, this unit is defective. So i had it replaced. Second unit has loose cover. With the creeking sound and all those stuff described above. But it works fine. Doesn't accidentally break open.
Now, after 3 months of use, the cover seems to be tighter now. Don't know why. Shrinking cover? Don't know.
First thanks for your sharing your experiences.
This is indeed one irritating thing, it doesn't feel safe and even I didn't open the back cover to many times.
bart3385 experience of a tighter cover after 3 months is strange, maybe you get used to it .
Nevertheless I hope the same happens to me.
Its a shame that this kind of design fault affect the user experience of a such nice device.
Perhaps their would be a one later.
Yep same here, back cover does sometimes make a little bit cracking noise when pushing the screen. Besides that i also have a narrow gap between the glass of the screen and the housing of the phone, but thats also nothing new for this phone .
Same here.. sometimes I get the feeling that my phone isn't safe within its back cover.
btw, the inferior edge of my screen display stands a bit beyond the back cover, kinda protrudes (specially in the lower part of the display glass, next to the 5 capacitive buttons on the bottom). Is it just me or the same happens with u guys!?
Like I said nice phone but sometimes it just seems strange :-|
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Same here.. sometimes I get the feeling that my phone isn't safe within its back cover.
btw, the inferior edge of my screen display stands a bit beyond the back cover, kinda protrudes (specially in the lower part of the display glass, next to the 5 capacitive buttons on the bottom). Is it just me or the same happens with u guys!?
Like I said nice phone but sometimes it just seems strange :-|
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It's possible the adhesives to the glass is a bit loose.
Try this. Remove back cover. Then press the glass edges to the phone body firmly. Then reinstall the cover. This should eliminate the protrusion.
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It's possible the adhesives to the glass is a bit loose.
Try this. Remove back cover. Then press the glass edges to the phone body firmly. Then reinstall the cover. This should eliminate the protrusion.
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Yes.. guess this was the problem.
I did it and it really corrected the protrusion, but it got back in a minute
What can I do to solve this!? Its really related to the adhesives. I can see them under the glass (kind of a glue).
cya.
Yes if you are facing the screen toward you in your right hand it will do that. For some reason the left side seems to be a little loose. If you hold in your left hand it is not that noticable. I fixed mine with a torche and patience.
Popone
You used a torch? That's too risky.