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Fellas and ladies,
I have heard good things about this phone (the OZ variety anyway). My question pertains to the GPS chip. Is this chip comparable to the SIRF-III (or something similar) in MIO A701? How is the reception/accuracy in the major cities? Melb, Sydney, Perth in particular?
Is there a "better" unit coming around the corner soon-ish? Ideally FM tuner would be good.
Also I am looking to ebay a bluetooth handset. Any cheapish (<$50-60) ones worthwhile spending molah on?
Cheers
I don't have anything to compare too, but use in suburban Melbourne with TomTom and was blown away by the accuracy.
Also even have it working indoors, where another GPS device we have at work requires an external antenna outside for it to work.
A few years ago I had an external GPS receiver by TomTom. In my car (with nice dark windows) I could only get a fix if I held the receiver near the sidewindow, no fix at all anywhere else in the car. With the Trinity I can have the device anywhere I like in the car and get a fix all the time.
Redbo1000 said:
Fellas and ladies,
I have heard good things about this phone (the OZ variety anyway). My question pertains to the GPS chip. Is this chip comparable to the SIRF-III (or something similar) in MIO A701? How is the reception/accuracy in the major cities? Melb, Sydney, Perth in particular?
Is there a "better" unit coming around the corner soon-ish? Ideally FM tuner would be good.
Also I am looking to ebay a bluetooth handset. Any cheapish (<$50-60) ones worthwhile spending molah on?
Cheers
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It is not a SIRF III Chip but a Qualcomm Chip. I have the TomTom Bluetooth Mouse Mk-II which has a SIRF III and performs slightly better than the Trinity. I will sell that Mouse anyway, cause the difference is so small that I prefer not to carry 2 items around...
Comparison of several PDAs with internal GPS units here:
http://www.gpspassion.com/fr/articles.asp?id=175&page=6
Including both the Mio A701 and the Orange M700, which is the Trinity by another name.
Basically the conclusion was that the Qualcomm chipset used in the Trinity is not as good as SIRF3, but is not too bad.
I have a BT SIRF3 module (purchased before the Trinity) and I haven't noticed any significant difference in performance between it and the Trinity internal GPS. Though I'm not working it that hard - mostly using it in suburban, open type environments where a GPS lock is not difficult.
Thanks fellas... I was also trying around melbourne suburbs with excellent success... It also locks to GPS indoors (takes a while though)!!!
The only drawback to the Qualcomm is that it takes quite some time to get a first fix (cold start), and even forget about getting a fix at all if you're already moving around...
The performance when it has a fix, is truely remarkable though. Worth of notice; because of the Qualcoom performing the GPS, the GPS won't work if you have the phone shut down...
Anyone know what chipset the GPS is Sirf III or ???
Hi,
Built-in+GPS_module: Supported
GPSrotocol: NMEA 0183
GPS+Antenna: Internal antenna
Complementary_GPS-Services: Assisted GPS, QuickGPS
Navigation-Chip(set): Qualcomm MSM7201A gpsOne
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wfg
starbase64
why they pulled the Sirf III i dont know, probably some stupid licencing issues from Qualcomm saying that you can use our chip but keep your mits off everything else, all or nothing, another case of corperate greed and a big f*** you to the user.
I really don't care what Chipset the Touch HD has as long as there is no GPS lag like the Touch Pro has.
gps chipset == qualcomm cpu
the reason why soo many use that
type of cpu is because it got gps, wifi, 3g on chip
which also mean the hardware performes pretty
much the same way as other devices with the same cpu
which would indicate that Touch HD would perform the same as
touch pro as they got the same cpu
utvol06 said:
I really don't care what Chipset the Touch HD has as long as there is no GPS lag like the Touch Pro has.
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Same specs like Touch Pro same problems.
speed200 said:
Same specs like Touch Pro same problems.
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Doubtfull.. Black has the AT&T fuze...a test version with no GPS lag issues.
speed200 said:
Same specs like Touch Pro same problems.
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I'm very anxious to discover whether the GPS has the same lag problems.
Looking carefully at posts about the Diamond and Touch Pro, it doesn't yet seem entirely conclusive whether the lag is due to hardware limitations of the Qualcomm chipset or if software is at least partially responsible.
Good GPS is a must-have for me. I'm used to an ETEN device which had truly superb GPS until the hardware failed!
There must be some Touch HD reviewers out there who have tested the GPS - surely ?
Yeah, this would be deal braeker for many of us... I need confirmation HTC did not fail again (Kaiser - drivers, Touch Pro - GPS, Touch HD - ...)
I bet that the Touch HD GPS will suffer the same lag problem like Touch Pro.
But, in this case, probably, I will be OK ... because I read that the lag problem will not happen if we use "external BT GPS".
I probably will just buy cheap external BT GPS
At least, there is a solution for the lag problem!
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Yeah, this would be deal braeker for many of us... I need confirmation HTC did not fail again (Kaiser - drivers, Touch Pro - GPS, Touch HD - ...)
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gogol said:
I bet that the Touch HD GPS will suffer the same lag problem like Touch Pro.
But, in this case, probably, I will be OK ... because I read that the lag problem will not happen if we use "external BT GPS".
I probably will just buy cheap external BT GPS
At least, there is a solution for the lag problem!
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I wont put up with a 900 dollar handset with a faulty laggy GPS receiver..when clearly older devices like the Tytn II GPS works perfectly.
I suggest this thread should be marked "sticky" - it's very important to know if GPS works well before buying the device.
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I suggest this thread should be marked "sticky" - it's very important to know if GPS works well before buying the device.
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i second that, if GPS functions the same as on the Diamond this device wil be a no go for me .
^ we can only know this if someone runs a GPS application on it in real.
It would be a miracle since Qualcomm gpsOne has always underperformed SiRFstarIII based on some head to head comparisons I saw on GpsPasSion, Kaiser, i780 versus Eten x600 here http://www.gpspassion.com/fr/articles.asp?id=175&page=8 - even worse on foot :-(
TYTN II is "GPS heaven" compared to problems with Touch Pro/Diamond.
I'm impatiently waiting for the real owners to check GPS out.
First users report there is no gps lag!
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I suggest this thread should be marked "sticky" - it's very important to know if GPS works well before buying the device.
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I Agree.
And for testing if one of the lucky ones with this device could share the GPSDriver for test with Touch Pro would be great.
agps question
Hi all,
This is not my area cause of asking
Is it possible use agps without net and phone access as outer gps (for example bt gps) ?
Thx.
it's official GPS lags!!!
slash gear's review claims the gps chipset suffers the same lagging issue as touch diamond and pro.
http://www.slashgear.com/htc-touch-hd-slashgear-review-part-2-0721942/
the only way around this is for the software to anticipate the lag, they haven't tried TOmTom yet. but this would CERTAINLY mean the fix would be targeted for this handset (gps chipset) only. i dont know if any gps software company has plan to release a product only for a specific handset. most of them release product for a general platform (ie. win mobile). and those products doesn't take the lagging issue into account
Googling and searching these forums doesn't bring up anything obvious. So does anyone know what chipset it uses? Looking at logged data it is operating at 1Hz.
It's built-in the Qualcomm Snapdragon chipset, see here
Thanks. I'm just trying to work out if it will do as good a job as my external bluetooth sirf III one I used for racetrack lap timing with my previous phone.
For normal navigation the inbuilt GPS gets fast lock and seems to work okay but the more accuracy the better for the track.
Guess I can just run it and compare times to the electronic timing (which take 1-2 hours to be printed out and released hence the need for an instant solution).
it's the best inbuilt gps ive used gets a lock in under 10 sec my xperia used to take 30s to 1 min.
michaeljf said:
Thanks. I'm just trying to work out if it will do as good a job as my external bluetooth sirf III one I used for racetrack lap timing with my previous phone.
For normal navigation the inbuilt GPS gets fast lock and seems to work okay but the more accuracy the better for the track.
Guess I can just run it and compare times to the electronic timing (which take 1-2 hours to be printed out and released hence the need for an instant solution).
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The SiRF chip is better than the GpsOne on Qualcomm SOCs.
And to above post, this might be because AGPS is actually working on this phone rather than the antenna being better.
dont think i have agps enabled if im correct it uses data, when i start igo 8 no connection is made, im just using antena.
my device recives signals even if iam in home and recives at least 3 satellites
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Thanks. I'm just trying to work out if it will do as good a job as my external bluetooth sirf III one I used for racetrack lap timing with my previous phone.
For normal navigation the inbuilt GPS gets fast lock and seems to work okay but the more accuracy the better for the track.
Guess I can just run it and compare times to the electronic timing (which take 1-2 hours to be printed out and released hence the need for an instant solution).
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it will be down to how fast/often the app polls the gps surely?
I've been playing with it a fair bit (for the same purpose) and it certainly better than one or two stand alone gps
Getting satellites indoors or getting a fast satallite fix does NOT automatically indicate that the GPS chip is good.
Actually GPS on the HD2 is pretty poor compared to the SIRF III chip, or even compared to other HTC devices, I am talking about accuracy and stuff. This is a fact, so i don't want to hear any more about "how good it is because it gets a fast fix" or other crap
For more info:
GPS going crazy (proven with plot screenshots)
Weird GPS problem. Moving even while my car is motionless.
Recent ROM/Radio for the HD2 upgrades do seem to improve this bad GPS functionality though.
barty22 said:
Actually GPS on the HD2 is pretty poor compared to the SIRF III chip, or even compared to other HTC devices, I am talking about accuracy and stuff
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Accurate, scientific data to prove that assumption, please?
kilrah said:
Accurate, scientific data to prove that assumption, please?
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I understand your viewpoint, actually I had such information (plots of the HD2 and of other devices), but I really can't be bothered to make them again and spend all the effort on it... just believe me when i say it (or don't believe it, i'm just sharing what i know)... or have a read through the topics i linked to (should be enough proof in there)
Well if I have time I'll try both at the same time this weekend at the track (still have my old phone and external GPS).
With the high speeds involved and a racing line that varies no more than 1-2m it becomes pretty easy to tell if the GPS is out when plotted on a track overlay.
Plus values for lat/long g forces and speed are all extrapolated so if these are out it becomes pretty obvious.
Hello everyone.
I am going to buy htc desire soon. I have a query to ask. Please help me on this.
How would you rate the GPS on the Desire if i am going to use google maps? As is the speed. The screen view-ability etc.
The reason I ask this is that if it is not that good then I'll buy iPad 3G else the wifi version. I am really stuck with the decision. Please help me on this.
restrict said:
Hello everyone.
I am going to buy htc desire soon. I have a query to ask. Please help me on this.
How would you rate the GPS on the Desire if i am going to use google maps? As is the speed. The screen view-ability etc.
The reason I ask this is that if it is not that good then I'll buy iPad 3G else the wifi version. I am really stuck with the decision. Please help me on this.
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I am not sure about using it with google maps, but I have copilot and it works very good with that.
Also, comparing with HTC Diamond's GPS, the GPS in Desire is much much better. It locks the location even faster than my old Garmin Nuvi 350 that use sirf III.
The GPS in Google Maps is pretty spot on, and also works very well for Google Navigator too. The lock speed with assisted GPS is probably the fastest I've seen in a phone. Certainly better than my previous HTC Touch HD.
I've used 5 different HTC Devices with GPS Receivers throughout the years and the Desire beats them all. Time to get a fix is nearly 0 (Well okay, but it is veeery fast) and also very precise. Using it with google maps and Mobile Navigator and have never been happier with a GPS Device. Scrolling the Map in Google Maps is the smoothest i have seen on a mobile device (it is easily as fast as the iPhone, personally i think even faster) and it never loses the GPS Connection. I made a trip with my bike the other day, Desire in my Jacket and only took it out every 10 minutes or so, when heading towards an intersection where i had to turn and didn't know where to ;P It wakes incredibly fast from Standby, the Fix has never gone and your position is acurate again in an instance, not lags at all.
Yes, I can confirm all above, also sensitivity is excellent, I was able to fix inside my living room 3m far from window
+1. I use an app called GPS Test which shows you how many and where the satellites are you're connecting to. Also gives speed info. I'm shocked how quick it locks onto satellites. I use in on the bike and car with no problems.
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Yes, I can confirm all above, also sensitivity is excellent, I was able to fix inside my living room 3m far from window
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Can anyone confirm how the "stand alone" GPS works by itself? What if there is no mobile data coverage available?
Stand alone gps is even better as long as u have good navigation software installed with maps. Like co pilot, motonav (igo for desire.). It's almost instant... well worth of money. Paid
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Can also confirm that the GPS is superb. GPS Test from the market shows you number of satellites used & degree of accuracy. My Desire stabilises on 2-3m accuracy I'd hazard that stand-alone GPSs won't do any better than that, and I've only seen it lose GPS signal once... for about half a second.
Coming from a Touch Pro, this thing's GPS (along with absolutely everything else!) is a revelation!
I'm an avid cyclist, use the Desire with runkeeper & sportypal, it is spot on accurate with my rather expensive & well tuned bike computer.
I also use it with copilot and it works perfectly...
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I usually get a lock when outside within 10th seconds maximum, compared with about 3 minutes on my Omnia without tweaks.
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When You are roaming then MB prices are very high... so I understand using google maps is working great when You are in your home network.
What other GPS software (with maps stored on the Desire, not downloaded in real time) have You used and was it any good?
i think my old Hero was faster, but i could be i imagine it... Will traveling in high speed affect the lock time?
i think my old Hero was faster, but i could be i imagine it... Will traveling in high speed affect the lock time?
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It won't be an issue upto 140 MPH, I can confirm that. Faster... I'm not sure. I've used the GPS facility for routes and disabled my TomTom over 60 times by now. Never once has it failed signal or lost tracking (in the UK).
I can confirm all the above positive sayings. Apps like Car Home / Navigator will assist you well. The GPS Test app is excellent (I use GPS Speedo and GPS2GoogleEarth at times too).
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hi mates!
i am a newbie here
i use my desire in Greece so i want to know how i ll find CoPilot 8?
if i search to market there are no effects
Well I always kinda wondered if a standalone GPS would be better than using the GPS function of an all-in-one smartphone. They say a device that does everything can do everything moderately well. Not the case here! I have to say, that compared to the phone, Garmin sucks!!
We got these garmins in our vans at work, mainly so they could track us (taddlers). I definitely prefer my phone. Here's why:
1. I have to enter my city for every address I input. WTF? it knows where I am
2. It doesn't know all the addresses that G maps does. On one address, garmin failed and gmaps found it no prob. (those homes have been there over 4 years)
3. It doesn't automatically stop navigating when I arrive. It's like it doesn't even know I'm there...
4. The touch buttons are a pita. I have to touch them just right, this makes it difficult while driving.
Anyway, go gmaps! I guess a multi-function device can do things better than the standalone.
That gps sounds old. I have the newest nuvi and it works well for me and it knows where I am as well. But I do like google maps better than any gps out right now and plus google maps gets updates so you can get a better mapping experience with the locations added. I know there is also a garmin app that I have for my iPhone that works good too.
For sure I guess if you navigate a lot google nav would be better for those reasons. You shouldn't input anything while driving though so the touch screen makes perfect sense to me. Also the voice recognition on android is definitely a plus. Btw next time your company buys nuvis, make sure they get the ones with lifetime map updates...
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How does nuvi get updates, through the sdcard?
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Umm I would ask a store that sells them.
if they arent updating the software every year thats why the phone has better directions. have to keep the GPS updated. havent you seen the "mayhem" commercial? LOL.
Plus I think on most standalone gps units, you have to PAY for the map updates, it was 75$ for the garmin I used to use before I got this phone.
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You update through the sd card. It is 75 bucks to buy the updates, but you can spend a little more and get the nuvis that end with "lm" or "lmt" which stand for lifetime maps or lifetime maps and traffic.
Usually, especially around christmas time, they have great sales where the ones with lifetime updates are basically as cheap if not cheaper than the ones without. But definitely look for the ones that come with lifetime map updates.
I'd much rather use my gps so I dont have to waste precious battery or keep my phone plugged in to the car charger. Especially because when you get calls, it cuts out your data signal...plus I like having the map with street names mounted right in front of me at all times. I use my phone to play music in the car so it gets to be a hassle.
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Seeing as though my Fascinate's GPS had worked flawlessly ever since DJ05(and I used it this weekend for a few hours), I can definitely say it's better. The satellite view is really awesome. The only advantage a dedicated GPS has is the voice. If Google improves the voice, the free GPS on Android phones WILL be the best, even though I consider them that already,
Personally I prefer google nav over my garmin. I still keep the old gps in the trunk incase of emergency if my phone was to die. If you already have one, might as well take it just incase.