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The definitive GPS evaluation

Hi everyone,
I am about to buy my first PDA/phone, and the choice boils down to either the E-ten X500 or the HTC P3600.
The E-ten has got the lead where GPS is concerned thanks to SIRFIII but the 3600 has UMTS/HSDPA...
I have read as much as I could on the Qualcomm chip that is used in the P3600 and since the GPS feature is very important to me, I'm worried that the P3600 is not the way to go.
I would therefore like to ask your findings in the GPS usage, not only in Time Till First Fix (although ofcourse very important), but also in keeping the fix, re-acquiring a lost signal, etc...

Have a S300+ (french vodafone version) with the original ROM and Radio version and for me it's less than a minute.

Hi,
TTFF is impossible under 30 sec (except A-GPS), 30 secs is the minimum to acquire ephemeride in good conditions.
If you are searching the best sensitivity, sure, take the ETEN (sirf III) !
But, with my french Renault Clio and its athermic heat shield, no big issues, no delay over than 10 meters, even in city, hot start less than 5sec (tunnel exit).
So really happy, it's nearly like a BT antenna (in same conditions)...
I will post tomorrow some pics showing differences between radio 1.38.00.11 and 1.41.00.11 on the same route, there is no changes in quality so all people can upgrade to 1.41.0.11 (for the gps part)

hi I have a P3600 and a separate Rikaline 6033 BT GPS. "the only 32 Parallel Channel GPS receiver in the world - Uses the latest Fujitsu Japanese chipset giving excellent precision
- Superior than the Sirf III Chipset with greater sensitivity and lower power consumption"
I can say (marketing blurb aside!) the Rikaline is a superb device, and the P3600 is almost identical.
It finds a fix very quickly from cold (unless in a moving car) and the sensitivity of the P3600 seems to be nigh on identical to the Rikaline BT device. I did own another BT GPS for a short period of time - but found the sensitivity poor so returned it for the Rikaline.
I have to say the P3600 is a great solution. My only gripe is to do with the poor Voda 3G coverage in the UK.
I would say that phone reception is slightly better on my M600 - but that's going on number of bars in the signal strength....

Please put the full name: "Time To First Fix" I guess in addition to the abbreviation (TTFF) in your vote
It can be : Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation or something esle
We are in a PDA dedicated forum... and not every body is suited to understand such GPS abbreviations

Cyrus Kourosh said:
Please put the full name: "Time To First Fix" I guess in addition to the abbreviation (TTFF) in your vote
It can be : Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation or something esle
We are in a PDA dedicated forum... and not every body is suited to understand such GPS abbreviations
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post edited... Dunno if I can change the poll though....

sickboy555 said:
hi I have a P3600 and a separate Rikaline 6033 BT GPS. "the only 32 Parallel Channel GPS receiver in the world - Uses the latest Fujitsu Japanese chipset giving excellent precision
- Superior than the Sirf III Chipset with greater sensitivity and lower power consumption"
I can say (marketing blurb aside!) the Rikaline is a superb device, and the P3600 is almost identical.
It finds a fix very quickly from cold (unless in a moving car) and the sensitivity of the P3600 seems to be nigh on identical to the Rikaline BT device. I did own another BT GPS for a short period of time - but found the sensitivity poor so returned it for the Rikaline.
I have to say the P3600 is a great solution. My only gripe is to do with the poor Voda 3G coverage in the UK.
I would say that phone reception is slightly better on my M600 - but that's going on number of bars in the signal strength....
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thx for the great info!
Can anyone back this up?
The reason I ask is that it is generally accepted that SirfIII is better than the Qualcom, and from a technical standpoint I can understand and accept this. However, if usage on a day to day basis shows equal or near-equal performance, I could care less about reputation and would go for the P3600
Hell, some might argue that if the Qualcom gets the job done with less sattellites, it's actually a better solution for it
On the other hand, I already put an offer in on a used X500 and can't seem to find any decent priced used P3600's where I live, so that might end up being the deciding factor anyway. But still, if the GPS is fine and I do get a chance to purchase a used one, I won't hesitate

If it can help :
Cyrus Kourosh said:
Here is the test of the HTC P3600 GPS (Qualcomm gpsONE chipset) compared to SiRFstar III GPS chipset based devices
made by www.gpspassion.com
--> English version
--> French version
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I disagree with this test !
Got the S300+ SFR, and it works like a charm !
Depend of the radio version etc...

I already saw that one but thanx anyway
Actually, that was the review which caused me to start doubting the P3600 as far as GPS is concerned
The problem is that the only thing that is translated into real-world usage in this review is the slow Time Till First Fix they mention (though this is not reflected by the poll here I must say...Maybe thanks to the radio updates in the meantime...).
It does not really answer my questions on how GPS usage is affected on a daily basis.
Ok, there is deviance from a set route and you can witness that on the tracks they map, but how does this translate into the real world?
Does it point you in the wrong direction a lot?
Is it slow in giving you the right directions because of a more latent signal?
Does it lose its signal a lot?
Does it not reconnect quickly after connection is lost (tunnels and such)?
From what I'm seeing here on the forum (or from what I am not seeing actually: complaints ) this GPS seems to perform just fine so what is the relevance of the findings of the gpspassion comparison?
I'm not questionning these guys' work though, they seem particularly tech-savvy when it comes to GPS and I appreciate what they do.
But I'm starting to wonder in how far the SirfIII is actually any better.
I just set an appointment to pick up the X500 this weekend though, so if you guys are going to stop me from buying it, the window of opportunity is fading

I don't doubt that the X500 has better GPS but I'll never own an ETEN product again. Go with HTC.

Argh....we've been down this road a lot on this board already....
There's no actual winner here... I've used both a BT GPS mouse and now the Qualcomm in Trinity, and i can tell you there's no notable difference in the normal usage scenario's...
But hell...if you wanna start a chronometer everytime you fire up the nav, go right ahead Does it make you feel better if either one turns out to be just 5 seconds faster than the other ?
The P3600 is just as excellent (if not better) in keeping the fix and reacquiring it, it's got HSDPA/UMTS, it's already got WM6 by now, and just looks freakin' good as opposed to the freakin' ugly E-Ten...
Am I biased ? Hell no....

DisTreSs said:
I already saw that one but thanx anyway
Actually, that was the review which caused me to start doubting the P3600 as far as GPS is concerned
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Looking at that review it appears they tested it in an 'urban canyon' - city with lots of tall buildings type scenario. In that environment it is no surprise that the SIRF3 outperformed the Qualcomm chipset.
So whether or not it will work for you depends what the environment is like that you'll be using it in. If you are spending a lot of time in a city with lots of tall buildings and short streets (ie you'll be turning a lot) then maybe a SIRF3 based device is for you. But if you spend most of your time in the suburbs or open space then don't worry, the difference will be negligible.
DisTreSs said:
Does it point you in the wrong direction a lot?
Is it slow in giving you the right directions because of a more latent signal?
Does it lose its signal a lot?
Does it not reconnect quickly after connection is lost (tunnels and such)?
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My answers to your question would be no, no, no and no...
Having used both a SIRF3 BT GPS module and the internal GPS on the Trinity I would say there is absolutely no difference in performance in the environment I use it in, which is mostly suburban driving with occasional trips into the city.
Also TTFF I found was negligible between the 2 - cold time was ~3mins on both, warm < 30s on both.
Only real difference I noticed was that inside my house I can get a fix on the SIRF3 in most places, with the Trinity internal GPS I can only get a within fix 1 - 2m from a window. But since I don't have much use for the GPS inside this is kinda irrelevant!

DisTreSs said:
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Does it point you in the wrong direction a lot?
Is it slow in giving you the right directions because of a more latent signal?
Does it lose its signal a lot?
Does it not reconnect quickly after connection is lost (tunnels and such)?
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Hello:
my answers are NO, NO, NO and NO.
I get a faster fix when I'm not moving but it is always under 2 minutes (always with TT6).
The whole "fix-discussion" depends on where the satelites actually are and how many of them are "available" in the sky...
I did not recognize any differance between the radio roms for the GPS...

Antzzz said:
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Only real difference I noticed was that inside my house I can get a fix on the SIRF3 in most places, with the Trinity internal GPS I can only get a within fix 1 - 2m from a window. But since I don't have much use for the GPS inside this is kinda irrelevant!
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Good point....

DisTreSs said:
Does it point you in the wrong direction a lot?
Is it slow in giving you the right directions because of a more latent signal?
Does it lose its signal a lot?
Does it not reconnect quickly after connection is lost (tunnels and such)?
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No at all... (No signal lost, No wrong direction, No slow redirection, No slow reconnection ...)
For me, It is my first GPS... I never had one before, so I can not compare.
However, this GPS does not have such problems.... and works really perfect for classical/personal use.
I am using it extensively for months, and It fits all my needs and expectations.
Also, I do not have any experience with Eten.
But for me... the HTC Trinity is the best and the most complete communicating PDA never constructed

Now we're getting somewhere!
Thanks all for your great replies!!! Keep 'em comming
I'm starting to think about cancelling the X500 now damnit
Just when I thought I had it all figured out....

Antzzz said:
Only real difference I noticed was that inside my house I can get a fix on the SIRF3 in most places, with the Trinity internal GPS I can only get a within fix 1 - 2m from a window. But since I don't have much use for the GPS inside this is kinda irrelevant!
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Except when you are drunk, it very useful to find the way to your bedroom Looooll

Yes and you wouldn't want to get stuck in the hallway for 10 minutes waiting to get a fix

DisTreSs said:
Yes and you wouldn't want to get stuck in the hallway for 10 minutes waiting to get a fix
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The main problem for the GPS in this situation is to always show you the right direction while the world is turning, turning, turning....

3600 or 3300

Cant decide what to buy, pls give the pros and cons.
Regards McRill

McRill said:
Cant decide what to buy, pls give the pros and cons.
Regards McRill
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3600 has 3G
3300 doesn't
3600 has a Samsung MSP4 Processor 400MHz
3300 has a TI OMAP 850, 200 MHz
3300 has a trackwheel
3600 doesn't
3300 has a FM radio
3600 doesn't

http://www.tracyandmatt.co.uk/blogs/index.php/2007/06/22/htc_s_new_device_roadmap
to mix it up

Rudegar said:
http://www.tracyandmatt.co.uk/blogs/index.php/2007/06/22/htc_s_new_device_roadmap
to mix it up
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I really think that the 3.5" screen on the Polaris is a mistake. I really think the Polaris is just an updated 3300 and has a 2.8" screen. If I am wrong, then I will be all over that thing.

How big is the dif in speed btwn the processors. ?
Could there be a "hidden" radio in the 3600 ?
What is Polaris ?
Regards McRill

"Could there be a "hidden" radio in the 3600 ?"
no likely
"What is Polaris ?"
the link in my post

McRill said:
Cant decide what to buy, pls give the pros and cons.
Regards McRill
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Ah ah ah...
one month ago I posted the same question on P3300 room and they covered me with insults...(use search facilities, you crying baby...)
I had the same doubt , I bought the P3600 and I am very happy with it

orientale said:
Ah ah ah...
one month ago I posted the same question on P3300 room and they covered me with insults...(use search facilities, you crying baby...)
I had the same doubt , I bought the P3600 and I am very happy with it
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Thanks ! It was mostly the pros and cons that kept me awake....
Good to hear that you are pleased with it.
Anyone else that has a hint ?????

I went through the same thoughts and decided to go with the P3600.
Main reason were the slow processor even after overclocking (I used to own a Prophet and now a Wing), which really bugged me.
The P3600 appears to be quite a nice device, with the only drawback of the paint peeling issue. There are now new batches out and I hope these will have a fix to the paint problems.

Craic Dub said:
I went through the same thoughts and decided to go with the P3600.
Main reason were the slow processor even after overclocking (I used to own a Prophet and now a Wing), which really bugged me.
The P3600 appears to be quite a nice device, with the only drawback of the paint peeling issue. There are now new batches out and I hope these will have a fix to the paint problems.
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I have one of the 'new batch' 3600's and I have not had any issues with paint peeling, I have a black one.
You won't go wrong, I love this phone. One of the better ones I have had and I have had a few.

3300 have better gps people say

The 3300 can get a fix quicker, especially when QuickGPS is working (a tool that uses your phones cell tracking to locate you, and send satellite data over GPRS) but once 'fixed' there is little difference. QuickGPS has a data cost, but the data is quite small. We have done some comparative tests with both devices, and on average, the 3300 is about 1 minute faster for a cold fix when stationary, and with a clear sky view.
The 3300 uses a 12 channel SirfStar GPS Chipset, and the 3600 an 8 Channel QualComm chipset, but there appears to be little advantage in the extra channels- you only need 4 satellites for a good fix. The SirfStar does have better cacheing, so if you go into a tunnel, it will retain something of a signal, but some GPS software now caches anyway, so not a major issue.
Other advantages of the 3600 are that it uses a sidemounted MiniSD card, rather than a MicroSD card inside the battery compartment. MiniSD is inherently faster, and is available in larger sizes, and the P3300's have had some big problems with corruption to the SD cards, possibly due in part to the location method.
And of course, the 3600 is a 3G/UMTS phone, while the 3300 only has GPRS/Edge.

If you like the 3300, just wait for the HTC Polaris. It is the SAME EXACT phone as the 3300 but with 3G and more memory. I might even buy the Polaris when it comes out and sell my Trinity.

Thnx to all.
Will get my 3600 tomorrow.
Now is the Q what software to install..........
McRill

"If you like the 3300, just wait for the HTC Polaris. It is the SAME EXACT phone as the 3300 but with 3G and more memory."
well not really so unless the whole 3.5" screen is wrong
otherwise it's like a HUGE version of 3300
polaris also comes with a 3.0 megapixel auto-focus camera

Rudegar said:
"If you like the 3300, just wait for the HTC Polaris. It is the SAME EXACT phone as the 3300 but with 3G and more memory."
well not really so unless the whole 3.5" screen is wrong
otherwise it's like a HUGE version of 3300
polaris also comes with a 3.0 megapixel auto-focus camera
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Someone who works at HTC confirmed that it is QVGA w/ a 2.8" screen. They posted screen shots of the phone on HoFo.

Gps differences between 3600 and 3300. Take a look at this :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1324762&postcount=47
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1324763&postcount=48

maevro said:
I have one of the 'new batch' 3600's and I have not had any issues with paint peeling, I have a black one.
You won't go wrong, I love this phone. One of the better ones I have had and I have had a few.
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ah, that sounds promising. I will be receiving my p3600 tomorrow and cant wait to play with it.

went through the same process.....if only the p4350 had gps ..sould have been a clincher.......bought the p3600

bought the p3600 also

HTC Touch Dual -Will original Touch owners feel the love?

Okay the new virtual keyboard, contacts app, photos app,home screen and gestures all look great with the Touch Dual, but will original touch owners be able to enjoy this by way of an update? Ive heard nothing. Im a bit pissed actually, I know technology moves fast but the Touch is only 4 months or so old, its still a relatively new device and I feel HTC sold me half a product.

have a look
As quoted on techtree.com
After a successul release in Japan, HTC now plans to officially launch the Touch Dual mobile phone for Europe. The Touch Dual measures 107x55x15.8-mm and weighs 120-grams. It supports WCDMA/HSDPA (Wideband Code Division Multiple Access/High-Speed Downlink Packet Access) 2100MHz and GSM/EDGE 900/1800/1900MHz networks. It also features the TouchFLO interface over Windows Mobile 6 Professional and a 2.6" QVGA touch-screen and is powered by a 400MHz Qualcomm MSM7200 processor. It comes with 256MB flash, 128MB RAM, and microSD expansion; Bluetooth 2.0+EDR; 802.11b/g WiFi; HTC ExtUSB (HTC's mini USB 2.0 jack with support for data and audio); and a battery to keep you talking for upto 240 mins on WCDMA and upto 360 minutes on GSM frequencies.

darthbane2k said:
Okay the new virtual keyboard, contacts app, photos app,home screen and gestures all look great with the Touch Dual, but will original touch owners be able to enjoy this by way of an update?
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doubtful,.. but hope dies last!

There will be an update for the keyboard.. that's sure ! but for the rest we will see... it seems possible to have everything "software" if the rom are quite the same.. but we can't say this without the touch dual roms.
HTC promises the keyboard for the touch .... but for the rest.. nothing is said yet.

Ofcourse they aint gonna give that to us. They want you to buy the 'new and better' Touch. They already have your money, but they want mmmoooOOORE!
*ahwem*
Anyway, there might be a chance we get it for the Touch. And otherwise I'm sure someone will be able to get it from the Touch Dual .
But looking at how succesful the Touch is in sales, this is the moment for HTC to show how they are in the after sales.
Coming from the s100 and s200 I'm not too confident in all this though, but we'll see!

some of the new features for the dual is surely plus for me. i don't like the smaller screen and bulkiness of the unit compared to the touch. but who knows, when i see it personally on shops, i might get one also to play with.

i think pdaviet or another developer will include this functions to their roms for prophet and old htc touchs.

No wifi

I dont think we will want to wait for HTC to release an update for these features. This sounds like a job for.... someone else. I bet a developer will write a app that will implement these features. Touch Dual looks great, I like the direction HTC is going but not giving this device Wlan is really lame. It's also being released as the O2 XDA Star, but quadband.

No wifi? As far as I can see wifi is one of the features....in previous specs I've seen GPS - which is missing now - which would be for me the only reason to swich

GPS
Do you think GPS is on board, but disabled???

alexandera said:
Do you think GPS is on board, but disabled???
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Qualcomm MSM7200 processor technical features:
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gpsOne® position-location assisted-GPS (A-GPS) solution
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http://www.cdmatech.com/products/msm7200_chipset_solution.jsp

one of the things that made me switch to Htc Touch was wifi. Since the HTC Slide doesnt have wifi, then i dont think its worth the change

The lack of wifi let me down too.
I've been waiting for the new touch with 3.5G, but no wifi is a big no no for me. Let's see if they update the software on the original touch, if they do, I'll buy one, if they don't, I won't buy any of them, I'll just wait. Form factor wise, I think the original touch is cooler

Yep, my ideal phone (at the minute) would be the Touch, but with built-in GPS, a faster processor and larger storage. But processor and storage don't bother me too much (overclocked and a 6GB memory card) so only issue is the lack of built-in GPS - means I have to use a separate bluetooth GPS, which is rather inconvenient at times
David

400mhz
400mhz is awfully fast. the touch is 201, i think most people can get it running close to 300 with overclocking but that just means the new one is gonna scream, nothing better than streaming porn to classmates and coworkers via bluetooth!
seriously though, the tech upgrades alone might be worth picking one up, espcially considering it will probably have the same customization options our touches have now.

i just love my touch and wouldn want any other phone now! it just has everything and i like the fact that the only keys are the ones to make calls...
i dont mine useing the touchkeyboard and the 201MHr are enough i think...
gps doesnt bother me neither... only people with a bad sence of orentation need pgs

Hi
Does anyone know on what network the touch dual is going to be released in the uk?
Is it going to be available on t-mobile? If so when?
Thanx
Nik

hey guys !
watch this rewiew of the htc touch dual
http://smape.com/en/reviews/htc/HTC_Touch_Dual-rev.html

wow i just read the review, it seems the old Touch is better at quite a number for stuff especially graphics and many multimedia.
With the higher price, minus Wifi, and smaller screem, we (with the old touch) shouldnt feel too bad guys

Tomtom 7, GPS lag

Hello,
I have been running Tomtom on my PDA's for years now without a problem.
When I changed from an HP-Ipaq to a E-ten X500 I experienced also lag.
Lag means that when you are driving, the pointer is 20 meters behind. When the car stops, Tomtom seems to be driving for a few seconds.
I solved the problem in the E-ten X500 by changing the registry
HKLM\System\StorageManager\FATFS\CachSize:2048
With the Xperia, this tweak did not solve the problem, altough the Xperia is much faster and has more internal memory.
I even tried to boost up the catchesize up to 16384 with Xperia tweak 2.0. This did not help either.
Anyone got a suggestion?
Best regards,
Jan

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Anyone got a suggestion?
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I may not have, but I wanted to tell you that i know what you feel: i moved from a magician+btgps to a diamond, and the lag is there, just like you say:
"means that when you are driving, the pointer is 20 meters behind. When the car stops, Tomtom seems to be driving for a few seconds."

I also know what you mean, same happen to me.
I have not tested this yet but using tweaks2k2.net there is a setting for Video and have the ability to speed up video display - not sure if it will work or not as i have not had the chance to test it out yet.

me too
I have also experienced GPS lag but it is dependant on how many satellites i am connected to at the time. even with six or seven connected i still get around a ten meter gap however with around ten upwards its fine.
Hope this helps,
Creamy

Yep, I got the dreaded GPS lag too. Never happened with my N95 so was disappointed. I did think it may have had something to do with the satellites but I haven't been bothered to try a get a fix on more to test whether that improved things.

The X1 comes from the same idiots who built the "GPS laggy" Diamond, Touch Pro and HD....
Now why am I not surprise that the X1 lags?
Discussions are still on here (700+ posts and counting)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=427888

i haven't really bothered to concern about this but i did find this thread here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=439002&page=20 for the Raphael.. i guess the x1 and diamond and raphael have the same probs and lag so i asume this might work on the x1 too...

Maybe this issue is something to do with software rather than hardware? The reason I say this is because I have tried tomtom 7, copilot 7 and igo 8 on my x1 and they all have this gps lag problem. However, I also have route 66 mobile 8 which is also good and the map cursor when moving is spot on accurate with no lag at all. No idea why though I'm afraid..

I owned a Touch Pro, and I can assure you that the Xperia does NOT suffer the issues which plague that device.
Yes, the Xperia has a little lag, but nothing particularly out of the ordinary. No GPS will be absolutely precise because of the time taken to transmit and process the data.
The Touch Pro for me was seriously bad - massive lag, frequently several hundred yards off in its positioning, and often dropping signals altogether. That is why there is a 700+ post thread about it. The Xperia has none of these problems (well, not mine anyway... )

cmloo said:
The X1 comes from the same idiots who built the "GPS laggy" Diamond, Touch Pro and HD....
Now why am I not surprise that the X1 lags?
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Mr Anderson said:
I owned a Touch Pro, and I can assure you that the Xperia does NOT suffer the issues which plague that device.
Yes, the Xperia has a little lag, but nothing particularly out of the ordinary. No GPS will be absolutely precise because of the time taken to transmit and process the data.
The Touch Pro for me was seriously bad - massive lag, frequently several hundred yards off in its positioning, and often dropping signals altogether. That is why there is a 700+ post thread about it. The Xperia has none of these problems (well, not mine anyway... )
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Can't agree with that. My Nokia N95 was always absolutely spot on!

Well and how long did it take for your n95 to get a fix?
well did you ever got a fix when you were driving?.. i guess not.. so i would rather have qick fix and lag than waiting long time to get a fix then drive..
well i do have a n95 and i'm a symbian moderator on a forum so i do know what i talk about .. the raphaels gps is better usable that the n95.. eventhough the lag..
well and as for the one who stated that there were 700+ pages about a lag ifor raphael and no o much for x1.. well what do you call this thread buddy it has already started lol..
well it's better to try to impove what we got than crying about it forever..

Hey, chill out Arju007, we are all entitled to our views.
I too have a N95 (which I love), and I too am a Symbian forum Admin elsewhere, but I respect those who do not share my opinions. I just may not agree with them, that's all.
The N95 is indeed a very good GPS system, when it gets going (I find the Xperia is far quicker to get a fix). My old Palm Tungsten T3 with a GPSlim 236 bluetooth receiver was good too, and I don't notice anything significantly worse with the Xperia. I think Ruudfood has a point in that the N95 did seem a touch 'crisper' in its positioning, but only very slightly - I personally don't think the differences are that material. Others are welcome to disagree.
The main point I think is that the 'lag' isn't anywhere near as bad as the Touch Pro I had despite the hardware being identical.

sorry for being to sirectly, i didn't intend to eventhough it sounded like that..
well the raphael might have a lag issue as many people knows about but by using of what applications and tips and tweaks we got we've managed to make the lag little less... well it's better to improve what we have as i stated before than nagging about it.. well as i use raphael here in norway i haven't got any problem with it. i do see a little lag but not as much as people says with 100 yards and stuff.. mine is just like 2-5 meters sometimes much less.. so i do not have any problems with mine.. each time i get a fix i'm connected to atleast 7 or more sattelites... never less than 7 .. well that might be why i encounter less lag?. well i don't know, only speculation well as for being on topic i guess people could try the thread i shared here for the raphael on x1 and see if there is any difference.. the lag might be lesser .. thus lesser thus better ey?

Arju007 said:
Well and how long did it take for your n95 to get a fix?
well did you ever got a fix when you were driving?.. i guess not.. so i would rather have qick fix and lag than waiting long time to get a fix then drive..
well i do have a n95 and i'm a symbian moderator on a forum so i do know what i talk about .. the raphaels gps is better usable that the n95.. eventhough the lag..
well and as for the one who stated that there were 700+ pages about a lag ifor raphael and no o much for x1.. well what do you call this thread buddy it has already started lol..
well it's better to try to impove what we got than crying about it forever..
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Yes, I could get a fix while I was driving after A-GPS was added in the 2nd (or 3rd - can't remember) firmware update.

well the a-gps isn't something people in the symbian community wanted to use because of the the small payment after connecting to 3g, edge, hsdpa or and so forth..

Hi
I am a owner of Raphael and X1. Touch Pro has MUCH lag. X1 has a little lag. Not too bad but much worse that Samsung Omnia.
In my opinion the lag in latest HTC devices (Diamond, .... x1, hd) is produced 50% by very poor graphics performance (Refresh rate in a city is 2-3 frames/seconds for igo8. Samnsung omnia is much more smoother, almost like a video game¡ ) and 50% by low sensibility gps and static navigation system.....
Dani

I wondered if it was something to do with the internal GPS since the X1 has a fast processor and plenty of RAM, since we have seen lag in other GPS apps too.
I still have an old bluetooth GPS which I used use with my SE P990 (that did not lag and the CPU/memory suck on that device).
I might do some comparisons when I have time - anyone else here have an external GPS they could test too?

danielherrero said:
Hi
I am a owner of Raphael and X1. Touch Pro has MUCH lag. X1 has a little lag. Not too bad but much worse that Samsung Omnia.
In my opinion the lag in latest HTC devices (Diamond, .... x1, hd) is produced 50% by very poor graphics performance (Refresh rate in a city is 2-3 frames/seconds for igo8. Samnsung omnia is much more smoother, almost like a video game¡ ) and 50% by low sensibility gps and static navigation system.....
Dani
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if it's really the poor graphics performance, how can we change this? can we use hardware acceleration in tomtom like in tony hawks? has someone tried to use wvga fix an set an other resolution while navigating? if it works better with a smaller resolution, it might be indeed the graphics performance.

This is an old war for all the kaiser-diamond-touch pro-x1 users. As you know is related with the Qualcomm drivers for the graphic card. Personally I think there isnt a solution. HTC and Qualcomm wont provide those drivers. One interesting news is that HTC wont join Qualcomm to design/build their next devices. I hope they learn of these issues. By now HTC says they dont design multimedia or games devices so they dont have to provice those drivers

A question about the Wildfire before i buy one

What is the wildfire's GPS and WIFI performance like and can u use the GPS as a standalone unit thanks

Both work perfectly for me. There are sat nav apps on the market which allow you to download maps to use offline

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Hi,
I got rid of my iphone for a wildfire because i needed gps capability. The iphone was useless as an in-car sat-nav because as the cheap gps chip used by apple. this is a well known problem and not related to an athermic windscreen. The wildfire (& all htc's to be fair) have a far better gps chip that is faultless, it has never let me down. hope this helps

jamadant said:
Hi,
I got rid of my iphone for a wildfire because i needed gps capability. The iphone was useless as an in-car sat-nav because as the cheap gps chip used by apple. this is a well known problem and not related to an athermic windscreen. The wildfire (& all htc's to be fair) have a far better gps chip that is faultless, it has never let me down. hope this helps
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This is very accurate. I use copilot with downloaded maps and it is great.
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