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I really like specs of DHD it seems to be really great phone. Even if it lacks AMOLED display I still think that it would be phone arround. 4,3" display should be big enough to do light work on it which would include lots of browsing, emailing etc. I just wonder what do you expect from 1230 battery? I am still sticking to my very old but precious HTC Touch Diamond which is painfully slow and battery last only like 12 hours while I am using. So with all "improvments" (better cpu tech, older display and Android 2.2) battery life should be at least as good as EVO ? Thanks a lot for your opionions
PS I know that nobody will be sure until we get hands on DHD but at least we have something to chat about until we get final release date
The same DHD ROM on HD2 with base WM ROM optimizations gets me 1.5 day worth and its not running Android directly from the phone yet.
So I would guess it will be 1-2 days with medium-heavy use
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Cool that would work for me Just wonder why EVO battery life is short? 4G drains more energy than 3G?
Not sure of 4G but rest is like this -
GSM : More Talk/Use time & Lower Standby Time
3G/HSDPA : Lesser Talk/Use time & Higher Standby Time
Hey guys, what do you think the battery life would be without 3g on? I dont have a data plan, and dont plan to get one (yet?), so i'll be using wifi for data. So with 3g off, and data roaming off, and even wifi off, what would u expect the battery life to be with moderate-heavy usage?
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Hey guys, what do you think the battery life would be without 3g on? I dont have a data plan, and dont plan to get one (yet?), so i'll be using wifi for data. So with 3g off, and data roaming off, and even wifi off, what would u expect the battery life to be with moderate-heavy usage?
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I think HTC lowering the size of the battery is a big indicator that the battery will definitely last you 1 day of heavy usage... I think if they was worried about the battery life they would have stayed with the 1400..
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I think HTC lowering the size of the battery is a big indicator that the battery will definitely last you 1 day of heavy usage... I think if they was worried about the battery life they would have stayed with the 1400..
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They are using unibody design for DHD that could be also reason since EVO has classic design with removable back than I would think that physically bigger battery fits to it.
Appart from SE X10 I have never seen a smartphone of DHD, SGS, Desire etc. caliber to last more than 2 days max. Even the SGS (wich has 1500mAh) doesn`t last more than 3 days (that was the max I could get from it) although the battery is not the one that GsmArena guys used for testing, does who know about the controvers around the SGS battery know what I`m talking about. So, I don`t think it will do better than 2 days (max).
I wish at least as a marketing tactic, they should keep same size battery (1400 mAh) as Desire. It's really annoying to know you actually downsize in terms of battery while you are making a device upgrade.
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I wish at least as a marketing tactic, they should keep same size battery (1400 mAh) as Desire. It's really annoying to know you actually downsize in terms of battery while you are making a device upgrade.
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From my understanding the DHD consumes less than the Desire, so even a downgrade in battery total capacity does not mean you will have less autonomy.
I hope htc gets this right, i am really worried about battery life with heavy use.. It will be more power efficient compared to the evo 4g because the 4g uses a 65nm batt + likely the screen consumes more + the 4g is a battery eater.. but still i think the battery could have been a little bit bigger say 1320mah or even 1400mah, I hope mugen power or seidio come with a battery @ around 1600mah they can make that, the legend(Unibody) can have a 1800mah battery instead of the 1300mah that gives around 30 to 40% longer battery usage time in practice!
We don't know how efficient the new chip is yet. We will have to wait for reviews. But like all modern smartphones, expect it to charge it everyday. (if you are a heavy user)
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From my understanding the DHD consumes less than the Desire, so even a downgrade in battery total capacity does not mean you will have less autonomy.
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Maybe HTC is right about less consuming maybe not, we will see but at least there are many people who directly look up the battery capacity and it a downsized capacity may them prejudge and not to decide buy. I know this is not such a big probability but If I were CEo of HTC, I would definetely go with same size battery with Desire but declaration with "less consuming" compared to Desire.
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Maybe HTC is right about less consuming maybe not, we will see but at least there are many people who directly look up the battery capacity and it a downsized capacity may them prejudge and not to decide buy. I know this is not such a big probability but If I were CEo of HTC, I would definetely go with same size battery with Desire but declaration with "less consuming" compared to Desire.
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i think they were forced into using that size, otherwise they would have to make the DHD fatter to fit in a bigger battery.
dont think so,
Keep in mind that the DHD has a completely new processor in it with a new GPU aswell!
tests have shown that the DHD is 2x faster then a Nexus one with android 2.2! This new processor probably uses alot less power, and thus a smaller battery would be enough for atleast 1 day.
DHD sports a bigger screen than desire. when screen is on, I 'd bet DHD would drain more, whilst it could be less energy-consuming when screen is off.
To end this pointless thread in a whip:
1: 45nm VS 65nm - you can make the maths. This alone will yield a hefty decrease in power usage.
2 (a): the (only) potential power usage increase might come from the 4.3" screen, although that remains to be seen. WIFI/BT are standard.
2 (b): in order to decrease 2 (a), disable auto brightness and set a static, lower level.
3: Another contender for battery usage might be HTC's framework+apps+services. Once you get rid of the unnecessary, you'll save quite a bit of power. Once you get recovery and use an AOSP build (I HATE SenseUI), this will further decrease power usage.
4: In order to further tune the power scaling, use an UV/OC kernel + proper scheduler ammendments (once HTC posts the source on the dev site). You can tweak the latter with in the meantime with temp. root and a user script targetting /sys values.
I guess that should cover the basics.
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4: In order to further tune the power scaling, use an UV/OC kernel ....
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hey man..there are rumors spred about new chips on board from sandisk with lock on nand. there's a chance that hd2 will be as u unbox, for a long time. just hope it could be possible to undervolt the same kernel provided from htc.
Or maybe not, everything has a weakness, even the lock on nand we will just have to wait...
Hey guys! I'm a new user on this forum and I also a completely new android user, I have just gotten the HTC Desire HD. And I'm really really enjoying the OS. The way you can customize the OS is amazing! And Therefore I feel like I have been missing out for a while.
However there is one single problem about the HTC Desire HD and sadly it's a pretty big problem. (You guessed it,) the battery life. I'm not gonna lie, if i cut some features i can easily get through a whole day. But whats the point of buying a phone with lot's of features if you can't use them, and whats the point of having a 4.3" screen if you can't have the brightness level at 50+.
To the point!
HTC have already made updated batteries that have a much higher capacity than the original batteries, these are for some of their other products.
(just look at the higher capacity HD2 batteries by HTC, they have a higher capacity than the original HD2 batteries.)
That's why i suggest that we all contact HTC and let them know that we are both aware and annoyed by the horrible battery. And then request a better and improved battery for the Desire HD.
If you look at their updates, they have a pretty good history of listening to their customers.
And if their customer service department get about 300 requests in one single day I am absolutely sure that we will see a result in a month or maybe even faster.
I live in Denmark myself and I've seen a similar thread in
a Danish forum and in two days time we have had 183 people send mails to the Scandinavian HTC customer service.
Now there is only about 2000 active users on that forum so that's pretty good for two days. And with such a huge success in a Danish forum, I'm sure a big forum like this would do even better!
So if you have the time to write a little email to the HTC customer service telling them about the poor battery life and then make a request for a better battery, I (and probably every DHD user) would appreciate it.
And even if you are one of those lucky users that can go for days without charging while having standard settings,helping us wouldn't hurt.
Thanks in Advance
Well....although I do get your point, I am not sure that I, and probably other people as well, agree entirely on the 'horrible' battery life.
Yes, at first, it does look to have poor capacity when you get your DHD out of the box.
But remember, a lot of people, if not allm are using their new toy a lot the first couple of days.
If you browse this forum and the DHD topics you'll see that people report a lot better battery life after a couple of charges.
In addition to this, when you get into rooting and flashing, you'll see that users with custom roms, custom kernels and special profiles setup in Setcpu (like less Mhz usage when the screen is off) actually even get better battery life out if their DHD....
In essence, from what I have read, most people are able to use their DHD for one day without charging, which in my opinion, is quite acceptable, considering the size of the screen, the speed of the device and the possibilities and syncing going on....
If I sometimes read other cells'threads, it appears to me that the battery life on the DHD is not that far off, or even is better, than other top devices....
Having said that.....the effort you take I understand for sure, I just am not sure that HTC will do anything about it (as I think what we get is what we should expect)...
Where is the solution in that? Infact there is no solution its how it is
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DHD battery life sucks.
There is no point defending it. Its a bloody mobile phone, it supposed to be able to work out of box, not a science project that u have to spend days tweaking it in order to last a day without the bloody adapter!
u can tell i m really crossed with DHD battery life...
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it supposed to be able to work out of box
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It does work out of the box. Did yours not turn on?
If you mean 'it's supposed to have the best possible life the first time I fully charge it on day one' then, no it's not. You are wrong.
I just don't get it this was my first proper Android phone after coming from a HD2 and an iPhone 4 and the battery life is on par with both out of the box however simply reducing the time some apps sync I mean can you really not wait the 2 sec ish Twitter etc take to update? Really does improve battery life I have my screen set to 30% brightness which is more than enough if not you need specsavers not a new battery.
At a push I can get 2 days out of my DHD and I would say I'm a average to heavy user about 30 min calls 50 odd text and a couple of hours playing games surfing the net
Gadget show last night drained an iPhone 4 from full charge to flat in 2 hours using the layer app
I don't use setcpu etc I've just used some common sense.
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It does work out of the box. Did yours not turn on?
If you mean 'it's supposed to have the best possible life the first time I fully charge it on day one' then, no it's not. You are wrong.
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well, i charged mine overnight, leave home at 7, phone dead most days by 5pm. u can defend the battery life as much as you want, and i m glad u like yours. less than 12hr of standard use makes any smartphone useless in my view.
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Gadget show last night drained an iPhone 4 from full charge to flat in 2 hours using the layer app
I don't use setcpu etc I've just used some common sense.
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I use iphone4 along side my DHD, almost identical setup in terms of sync and updates. when my DHD battery flat out in the afternoon, iphone4 has typically over 80% left.
I dont think it takes a rocket scientist to see DHD's battery is an issue.
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less than 12hr of standard use makes any smartphone useless in my view.
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well, i charged mine overnight, leave home at 7, phone dead most days by 5pm. u can defend the battery life as much as you want, and i m glad u like yours. less than 12hr of standard use makes any smartphone useless in my view.
I use iphone4 along side my DHD, almost identical setup in terms of sync and updates. when my DHD battery flat out in the afternoon, iphone4 has typically over 80% left.
I dont think it takes a rocket scientist to see DHD's battery is an issue.
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Unplug mine from charging about midnight, get home from work between 18.30 and 20.30 and most nights I have approx 30-40% battery left, LiOn batteries need multiple charge / discharge cycles to get the best out of them so no phone is gonna be at it's best outta the box.
There seems to be massive difference in peoples experience with there DHD mine defo lasts as long as the iPhone 4 I had how yours can last less than 20% there must be something wrong
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mine actually died last night (the first night i had it) i was a little surprised but i checked the battery usage and com.zxing..... used like 70%
lol it seems the barcode scanner didn't close and kept the camera on all night
I am a heavy user Facebook sync every hour a hundred odd texts a day few hours of internet browsing and I can get more than 12 hours mainly like 15 hours unplug at 7.30am and charge it 12.30am
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it seems that some people have a very good battery life even with heavy use,and some don't. I am new to android having come from windows mobile. In winmo devices,the radio version on the device can make a difference to the battery life on similiar devices.maybe this is the same case on DHD because I noticed there are several version of stock roms with different built of radio image.
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it seems that some people have a very good battery life even with heavy use,and some don't. I am new to android having come from windows mobile. In winmo devices,the radio version on the device can make a difference to the battery life on similiar devices.maybe this is the same case on DHD because I noticed there are several version of stock roms with different built of radio image.
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There isn't really a benchmark for "heavy user". I reckon its largely due to different interpretations. Throw the difference in batteries that are likely to exist due to the manufacturing process, and you'd get varying reported results.
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why do people complaint so much about battery life of DHD and other smartphone. when you look at their capabilities, you wouldn't switch your laptop on an expect it to last all day. cause its a smartphone doesn't mean it can do everything for you!
if the battery really bad, then the is a fault i.e faulty battery,app which is eating up resources, radio constantly changing from 2g to 3g which i think one of the biggest drain on battery or a set up which just going to drain battery faster etc etc. These phone when "out of the box" are set up to show the phone off, so yes its going to have it all sing and dancing at you! with everything switched on why you taylor the setting to meet your needs. please don't come back and say "but yes why have i got a smartphone and then i have to switch off all these features" you don't but don't expect it to last all day.
sorry about the rant but i think some people just have unrealistic expectations how long a smartphone can last. people who complain that the phone cant last 24hrs, why would you want it to last that long?. you telling me you don't sleep in that period of time if you want a phone to last 2 days get a nokia 8950! an if your a person who uses it as a business phone, come on what do you expect? your a heavy user. use some sense, have it so you can charge on the go or a get a nokia 8950 as your business phone, an use your smartphone as your own phone.
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why do people complaint so much about battery life of DHD and other smartphone. when you look at their capabilities, you wouldn't switch your laptop on an expect it to last all day. cause its a smartphone doesn't mean it can do everything for you!
if the battery really bad, then the is a fault i.e faulty battery,app which is eating up resources, radio constantly changing from 2g to 3g which i think one of the biggest drain on battery or a set up which just going to drain battery faster etc etc. These phone when "out of the box" are set up to show the phone off, so yes its going to have it all sing and dancing at you! with everything switched on why you taylor the setting to meet your needs. please don't come back and say "but yes why have i got a smartphone and then i have to switch off all these features" you don't but don't expect it to last all day.
sorry about the rant but i think some people just have unrealistic expectations how long a smartphone can last. people who complain that the phone cant last 24hrs, why would you want it to last that long?. you telling me you don't sleep in that period of time if you want a phone to last 2 days get a nokia 8950! an if your a person who uses it as a business phone, come on what do you expect? your a heavy user. use some sense, have it so you can charge on the go or a get a nokia 8950 as your business phone, an use your smartphone as your own phone.
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True, but i honestly cant see why it would hurt to encourage HTC to make a new battery with higher capacity as a part of their accessory lineup for the Desire HD.
sorry yeah i do agree with you, that HTC sould bring out a higher capactiy battery and don't understand why HTC have not used a higher capactiy battery in first place. ive also have a X10(1500mAh) and BB storm2(1400mAh) both have higher capactiy, and X10 is the worst for battery life out of the 3 phones and DHD beats both these phone on battery life.
HTC have the reasons why they used that size battery for the DHD and if they do bring out a higher capactiy at least you can believe the claims of it being a 1800mAh, were these 3rd party batteries claim 1800mAh but really you only getting 1400mAh.
i was not aiming this rant at you, an im sorry, its to people that complain about battery life of todays smartphone and there expections of them.
Test it! You must not use more Power per Hour than 1%.If you are at 4% you do something wrong. In standby of course...
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walda said:
Test it! You must not use more Power per Hour than 1%.If you are at 4% you do something wrong. In standby of course...
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How would you test it?
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Test it! You must not use more Power per Hour than 1%.If you are at 4% you do something wrong. In standby of course...
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Mine is using about 4 an hour. But I figure that's cos I rarely properly exit apps.
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I just submitted the following letter to HTC's Customer Service:
"Phone = Telus Desire HD. I've been using my new Desire HD for awhile now but have come to conclude it has one major design flaw. If I don't cripple half of its options/features before leaving the house the battery has trouble making it through the day. Once half the features are crippled what's the point of having a smart phone? Please tell me HTC is in the process of designing/producing an upgraded battery? I have no issues with spending additional money to utilize my device to it's full potential, although I am alarmed R&D did not resolve this before launch. HTC did not make the battery cover replaceable nor did they add a little depth to the phone to allow a larger battery. Unless HTC can refine their battery design are all their current Desire HD customers forced to use their phone with reserve? It saddens me that I can't even recommend this phone to a friend because of the atroshish battery life. Lastly when I purchased this phone I did so because of HTC's reputation. I neglected to read current reviews prior to my purchase knowing that it was a flagship phone for HTC. After purchasing it I started browsing reviews and found only one common theme that never deviated. The Desire HD has a dismal battery life. What if anything does HTC plan to do about this??"
Yes guys I know that recent rom development has done leaps and bounds to improve battery life, and there are plenty of ways to extend it but the bottom line is HTC released this and knows that everyone has the same issue. They should come up with some course of resolve. If they found a way to refine the battery vastly extending its life this phone would be untouchable. I hope more users write to HTC and complain. It only takes minutes but as customers our voices should be heard.
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I just submitted the following letter to HTC's Customer Service:
"Phone = Telus Desire HD. I've been using my new Desire HD for awhile now but have come to conclude it has one major design flaw. If I don't cripple half of its options/features before leaving the house the battery has trouble making it through the day. Once half the features are crippled what's the point of having a smart phone? Please tell me HTC is in the process of designing/producing an upgraded battery? I have no issues with spending additional money to utilize my device to it's full potential, although I am alarmed R&D did not resolve this before launch. HTC did not make the battery cover replaceable nor did they add a little depth to the phone to allow a larger battery. Unless HTC can refine their battery design are all their current Desire HD customers forced to use their phone with reserve? It saddens me that I can't even recommend this phone to a friend because of the atroshish battery life. Lastly when I purchased this phone I did so because of HTC's reputation. I neglected to read current reviews prior to my purchase knowing that it was a flagship phone for HTC. After purchasing it I started browsing reviews and found only one common theme that never deviated. The Desire HD has a dismal battery life. What if anything does HTC plan to do about this??"
Yes guys I know that recent rom development has done leaps and bounds to improve battery life, and there are plenty of ways to extend it but the bottom line is HTC released this and knows that everyone has the same issue. They should come up with some course of resolve. If they found a way to refine the battery vastly extending its life this phone would be untouchable. I hope more users write to HTC and complain. It only takes minutes but as customers our voices should be heard.
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I will do the same HTC India as well
Great News
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I will do the same HTC India as well
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Glad to hear it, I hope more follow suit. The way I see it is the XDA forums in the Desire HD section gets an astonishing number of hits. If even 1 out of every 500 people that just read the Desire HD threads write a complaint in regards to a battery it will have a swift impact on a battery upgrade option for the desire hd.
Unfortunately I think this is the HTC policy. They never build a perfect phone; think about the HTC Desire and the Nexus One: they're legendary devices but they had multitouch (and weak reception on N1) issues. The HTC HD2 probably was the best phone they ever made, but it had a tiny 1320 mAh battery and Windows Mobile 6.5. Other phones had issues like camera, WiFi performances, etc... And now our DHD: no S-Amoled ( = more energy required to keep the huge screen on), a low capacity battery and a sub-par GPS.
I think this is their strategy to make sure ppl will keep buying their new phones. You get it, you recognize it has plenty of great features and most things work just as expected (unlike other manufacturer like Samsung, Motorola), you get a lot of software updates... But you have one or more issues which will let you consider to upgrade to their new models.
Just my 2¢... I'd love if HTC should announce a 1500/1600 mAh extended battery tho
Scarey to think about eh?
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Unfortunately I think this is the HTC policy. They never build a perfect phone; think about the HTC Desire and the Nexus One: they're legendary devices but they had multitouch (and weak reception on N1) issues. The HTC HD2 probably was the best phone they ever made, but it had a tiny 1320 mAh battery and Windows Mobile 6.5. Other phones had issues like camera, WiFi performances, etc... And now our DHD: no S-Amoled ( = more energy required to keep the huge screen on), a low capacity battery and a sub-par GPS.
I think this is their strategy to make sure ppl will keep buying their new phones. You get it, you recognize it has plenty of great features and most things work just as expected (unlike other manufacturer like Samsung, Motorola), you get a lot of software updates... But you have one or more issues which will let you consider to upgrade to their new models.
Just my 2¢... I'd love if HTC should announce a 1500/1600 mAh extended battery tho
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Never quite looked at it that way but maybe it is a HTC conspiracy. Give them just enough to keep them coming back. Regardless I hope you voice you concern to HTC too and maybe we'll see that 1500/1600 mAh battery in the near future.
You won't see it for a couple of reasons.
The Desire hd is near end if life in terms of being a flagship, and the technology simply doesn't exist to increase battery cell density further. The only way would be a physically larger battery which is impossible given the design of the dhd.
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I don't know why people complain about the battery life. It is fine for me. And it is a smart phone, what are you going to expect, 2 days of battery???
I easily get a day out of it without any problems. Display is 20%, Wifi on, 3g on, sync on... I say the screen is on for around 1 to 1 and a half hours.
No offense, but I seriously hope you wrong!
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You won't see it for a couple of reasons.
The Desire hd is near end if life in terms of being a flagship, and the technology simply doesn't exist to increase battery cell density further. The only way would be a physically larger battery which is impossible given the design of the dhd.
Sent from my Desire HD pocket rocket.
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There is no doubt a new flag ship is just around the corner. And yes I've heard the density argument several times, but I'm praying they still have a trick or two up their sleeves that they have yet to reveal. ;0) Besides, it can never hurt to take a shot even when the odds look overwhelming. But hey who knows, when they respond to me they might just admit I'm SOL. We'll see what the future reveals.
Glad you're happy.
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I don't know why people complain about the battery life. It is fine for me. And it is a smart phone, what are you going to expect, 2 days of battery???
I easily get a day out of it without any problems. Display is 20%, Wifi on, 3g on, sync on... I say the screen is on for around 1 to 1 and a half hours.
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A day and a half and I'd be ecstatic. I get a full day too, but refrain from allot of the everyday tasks I'd also like to accomplish. I spend 14-16hrs away from home 5-6days a week. Normally by the time I return home my phone is warning me about 15% battery. Yes I could charge it while in my car, yes I could swap batteries (but I HATE the battery cover), and finally yes I could plug it into an outlet for awhile (abandoning my contact with 99.9% of the world) . To me 1230mAh seems exceptionally low for a smart phone doesn't it? Especially is you design one with such a power hungry screen? There are tons of things I do love about this phone and I mean tons. But in a year if this isn't resolved I'll remember it as the awesome phone that ate batteries. Lastly though all I can say is thank god for all the brilliant developers who are coming up with commendable ways to stretch our battery life further. And shame on HTC for just standing by on the sidelines.
The thing is, I don't think anything can really be done to make a battey big enough. Yes you can buy some 1300mAH - 1600mAH but they tend to be worse then the 1230mAH we have in the DHD. The software can be optimised but the main thing is the screen. To be honest, the DHD had a design flaw, a slot that was not big enough to house a battery that can contain more than 1230mAH. The only way we can go forward is hope that new battery technology comes out soon, but this is around 3-5 years away from current experiments technology from what I have seen...
But also, other phones are in the same situations. All battery of under 2000mAH will be terrible. Phones if you want it to last would need at least 10000mAH in my opinion, and again we are around 3-5 years away from this happening at the earliest for a credible solution..
Hate to say it but complaining will be fruitless as htc already have your money.
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Yes, there is no point complaining because they have no obligation to comply. Even if they really have the technology to provide a better battery, it simply not a viable business strategy to design a new battery for a phone that soon to be replace by next generation of androids. Its not just HTC, every business is like this, they provide a good product, but always reserve better for the next product cycle. Thats why most updated technology usually takes 5-10years to actually reach consumer market.
I don't think the battery of the HTC Desire HD is so bad, I easy get about 1 day and 12 hours with all options on, ofcourse I don't use battery comsuming apps like twitter, I mean if you are so active with a phone then most smartphones will barely make the day.
I think we should be happy that the battery is removeable, just look at the iPhone, the battery is not removeable and to extend the battery life they need use a external battery, no thanks then I rather carry one spare battery with me for just in case I would need it.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...nes-could-run-for-months-between-charges.html
That is the technology I head about 6 months ago... now widely reported... this is what will solve our battery problem... Having 1500mAH won't do anything about from extend the life for a few hours.
Too bad we are 3-5 years for it to get anywhere near market consumption
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really the battery in the htc desire hd is hopeless....
Well the main power consuming piece of hardware inside our phone is the screen.
Qualcomm have invented a new type of display called the mirasol display, and it uses a lot less power than the traditional LCD. Since HTC and Qualcomm are partners we could be seeing this type of display in future HTC devices.
Source: http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...-screen-technology-teased-ahead-of-ces-demos/
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I have no issues with spending additional money to utilize my device to it's full potential...
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This obviously doesn't solve the root cause, but if you're willing to spend around 50 USD google for something like "PB-5000 Phone Charger", it's 5000mAh...
my Desire HD has the exact same issue, with only 10-12 hrs maximum with half the features off. i am seriously considering buying the HTC Desire, just for the sake of the battery.
there is a very easy and acceptable solution for this problem. can't they make a charging case or a charging cover or a case holding the 2nd battery being in action for the HTC Desire HD? they have done it for the iPhone. i have mailed so many companies with this idea (including mugen and HTC), however no one replied.
I also have a question: how much does LeeDroid improve the battery issue??? as in how many more hrs does it give me?
Thanks, Best Regards, Android Asim
Trouble? Not so much.....
What kind of services are you running?
I listen to music to and from work, wifi is on all day at work + listen to music and watch a video or two. LiveProfile is on all day as well. I normally don't use Livewallpapers. A charge will last all day for me with this typical usage. Now, If I start rocking "Dungeon Hunter" or some other game or am using GPS then battery goes way down and I have to hit the trickle charge at work ( USB to Computer )
I normally charge overnight.
It is a Smartphone with a huge screen and chip, it's not a MOTO RAZR.
dhiral.v said:
Well the main power consuming piece of hardware inside our phone is the screen.
Qualcomm have invented a new type of display called the mirasol display, and it uses a lot less power than the traditional LCD. Since HTC and Qualcomm are partners we could be seeing this type of display in future HTC devices.
Source: http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...-screen-technology-teased-ahead-of-ces-demos/
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Sounds pretty good. I like my DHD and all its awesome functions but having to be so careful about battery consumption really is a pain in the ***. The phone's screen is pretty darn nice to look at, but I have it set to 25% brightness just to keep consumption down a bit. Seriously, using the DHD's screen for 4 hours the battery is almost empty.
I'd really have no problem settling with a 'less pretty' screen if it would mean I could use my phone for more than 4 hours a day.
chumbagen said:
What kind of services are you running?
I listen to music to and from work, wifi is on all day at work + listen to music and watch a video or two. LiveProfile is on all day as well. I normally don't use Livewallpapers. A charge will last all day for me with this typical usage. Now, If I start rocking "Dungeon Hunter" or some other game or am using GPS then battery goes way down and I have to hit the trickle charge at work ( USB to Computer )
I normally charge overnight.
It is a Smartphone with a huge screen and chip, it's not a MOTO RAZR.
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My typical use during a day:
-Unplug it at around 8:00
-Making calls for about 30 minutes
-Sending ~25 SMS
-Internet for about 2 hours (1 hour wifi and 1 hour 3G/H)
-Listening to music for about 1 hour
-Checking my awesome team in RunFootball ~5 times a day
-Plug it in at around 22:00
At 22:00, the battery is usually down to below 15%. I have GPS, BT, wifi and 3G off unless actively using them. With my screen brightness set at a low 25% the maximum screen time I can get out off my DHD is 4 hours. There are no rogue apps running in the background.
Honestly, a phone with this type of power consumption needs atleast an 1800mAh battery to last me through a day without me worrying about it.
Hi,
i read somewhere (French source) that HTC was going to release a larger capacity (rumoured 1450mAH) battery in the next 2 month for the DHD. Can anyone confirm this ?
German HTC have refused to comment on it.
That would be amazing!
Ain't gonna happen, thats my guess.
HTC don't win anything with this and i don't think its even possible because of the fixed alu. housing. They can't make it bigger.
New phones arrive soon, so they not gonna put effort in making a bigger battery.
My 2 cents.
Post a link with that info.
i hope they do come out with that. it should be 1500 mah in the first place
I emailed HTC about a month ago, Nada. But they said they're investigating the battery life
I saw some batteries on Ebay, but I think they are cheap batteries, it can be dangerous...
don't trust the third party batteries, they don't perform well.
mjehan said:
Hi,
i read somewhere (French source) that HTC was going to release a larger capacity (rumoured 1450mAH) battery in the next 2 month for the DHD. Can anyone confirm this ?
German HTC have refused to comment on it.
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I really doubt it. Also, 1450mAh would only be an increase of 18% of capacity. Of course any increase would be nice, but current battery tech coupled with the alu housing just doesn't allow for much higher capacity batteries than stock for the DHD.
Wekko306 said:
I really doubt it. Also, 1450mAh would only be an increase of 18% of capacity. Of course any increase would be nice, but current battery tech coupled with the alu housing just doesn't allow for much higher capacity batteries than stock for the DHD.
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I can confirm a new "Replacement Battery for Desire HD" is available, the very same size to fit in the unibody, and it is 1600mAh, you read well. I ordered one about 10 days ago, they tried to deliver it today, but I wasn't home, so I have to go to the Post Office tomorrow.
You can order it from HTCPedia:
http://shop.htcpedia.com/inspire-4g-desire-hd-extended-battery-1600mah.html
But I found it cheaper, here:
http://www.htcrepairparts.com/standard-battery-for-htc-desire-hd1600mah-p-3411.html?language=en
I'll report back about it towards the end of the week.
This is not an htc brand. There is a thread discussing screen issues that was caused by a similar battery expanding after several charges and pressing against the screen. Personally I would stay clear of non branded battery - its not worth the risk.
Htcpedia is not related to htc.
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Howling Wolf said:
I can confirm a new "Replacement Battery for Desire HD" is available, the very same size to fit in the unibody, and it is 1600mAh, you read well. I ordered one about 10 days ago, they tried to deliver it today, but I wasn't home, so I have to go to the Post Office tomorrow.
You can order it from HTCPedia:
http://shop.htcpedia.com/inspire-4g-desire-hd-extended-battery-1600mah.html
But I found it cheaper, here:
http://www.htcrepairparts.com/standard-battery-for-htc-desire-hd1600mah-p-3411.html?language=en
I'll report back about it towards the end of the week.
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These aren't official HTC batteries and if they are similar to the ones being discussed, endlessly, in the accessories section are inferior to the stock HTC batteries and unlikely to offer any gain in battery life, but please report back but give the batteries at least 7-10 days of normal use before offering any realistic feedback.
Well, you managed to scare me... I thought HTCPedia was serious enough not to sell or advertise garbage.
It cost me less than 20€ (about 28 USD). I'll give it a try around 7-10 days right, but will most probably remove it if I encounter screen issues.
Yep picture looks exactly like the one I got from a UK supplier and has swollen enough to press against the inside of the phone
Did it last longer. Ermm yes and probably about 30% longer but over the two months I have had it performance has dropped below that of the original so personally I have been unsuccessful and will be sticking with the original HTC one
Id buy this but the battery life isnt as bad as it used to be. Its probably got something to do with HTC shipping their batteries uncalibrated or maybe Im just getting used to owning a smartphone
Isn't there a new nano technology available that can store more mAh? Maybe thats what there aiming for? They will profit from it because many would buy an Official battery with mor mAh..
Just do some tweak and it will save ur battery life longer..bigger capacity just giving it more juicer but that is not far different from original. I think just flash to new recommended ROM + Radio to get the best result
Battery lasts nearly 2 days for me with moderate use on standard HTC battery.
You just got to get the phone set up right or go the custom rom route to get even better battery life.
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Isn't there a new nano technology available that can store more mAh? Maybe thats what there aiming for? They will profit from it because many would buy an Official battery with mor mAh..
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Net yet.. Battery Technology has hit a brick wall at the moment and basically what you have now is the best out there...
However there are some clever stuff happening. There is one which I particularly from last year
http://www.greenmuze.com/climate/energy/2761-mit-nanotube-batteries-.html
However we are still at least 5 years away from this entering the market in my opinion...
Just try and buy an extra battery if you really need more juice
Just want to inform those who are frustrated just like me about the battery draining problem with the limited hd2 stock battery. On average and moderate use with most roms it will die between 5 to 6 hours or even earlier no matter what setting you have. If you use the extended battery it will double up you battery power. However most extended batteries are ugly fat and requires a custom battery cover for which you have to sacrifice the many/all phone cases you would like to have on to protect you phone.
I have found this THIN and EXTENDED battery at ebay:
New 2300mAh High Capacity Battery For HTC HD2 T8585 LEO
Item number: 260840063860
I want to confirm that after several and full charging, it lasts me about 12-15 hours, and I am not kidding. You don't need to sacrifice your case or don't need an ugly fat battery cover since it is the same size of the original battery. Please note that there are few 2300 mah extended and thin battery of HD2 available on ebay. I tried couple of those and they both last well over 12 hours. If any of you are interested, you may want to consider. Hope this solves your battery drainage. It solved mine. Good Luck
smells very, very fishy
I don't know of ANY batteries that will pack 2300mAh in standard size battery.
Also check: http://batteryboss.org/ for any more info regarding 'false' capacity claims
Btw. read carefully in auction "capacity UP TO 2300mAh" lol, might be 1200 as well
12hrs is about what you get on a standard cell.
6hrs is what you get on a ****e rom/kernal or with a cheap china battery swollen like a rotton mellon.
2300mAh in a standard size battery is impossible using current Lithuim Ion technology.
Total bull**** & that linked battery will be 1100 maybe 1200 at best.
I have dealt with factories in China making this junk & as an engineer can 100% claim 2300mAh in standard size cell on Li Ion is not possible ...
With only 5 posts we have to be sceptical you are not selling your own cheap Chinese imitations?
In the past I have tested plenty of these cheap batteries on eBay. All of them are junk. You must be a very lucky person to find one that actually lasts longer... lol
Look at it this way do you really think cheap Chinese companies on the backstreet corner has the same resources as the mega corporations who would love nothing more than make their phones thinner/smaller and have better battery life?
Common sense.
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With only 5 posts we have to be sceptical you are not selling your own cheap Chinese imitations?
In the past I have tested plenty of these cheap batteries on eBay. All of them are junk. You must be a very lucky person to find one that actually lasts longer... lol
Look at it this way do you really think cheap Chinese companies on the backstreet corner has the same resources as the mega corporations who would love nothing more than make their phones thinner/smaller and have better battery life?
Common sense.
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Not only that, but technology used is already at limit(max power at certain density)
Take into consideration that Motorola atrix 4g has 1930 mAh and it is thin. So it is not impossible! I am not an engineer for that matter but the battery I got certainly doubled up the power...as I write my last charge was at 8:30am...now it is 6pm..I have 50% left after one hour of music, half an hour of navigation, few short phone calls, an hour of web browsing...checking facebook few times, few test messaging....two hours underground without service when the phone really drains out battery like diarrhea looking for service....my original battery would be dead by 3pm the latest....I have 50% left!!! And as I was saying Atrix has a thin battery so it is not impossible!!! OR I must have pure luck
AND another thing, I am not a seller!!!!!!
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With only 5 posts we have to be sceptical you are not selling your own cheap Chinese imitations?
In the past I have tested plenty of these cheap batteries on eBay. All of them are junk. You must be a very lucky person to find one that actually lasts longer... lol
Look at it this way do you really think cheap Chinese companies on the backstreet corner has the same resources as the mega corporations who would love nothing more than make their phones thinner/smaller and have better battery life?
Common sense.
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BTW what you call the resource of those companies...most of them are actually in China
ez2remember said:
With only 5 posts we have to be sceptical you are not selling your own cheap Chinese imitations?
In the past I have tested plenty of these cheap batteries on eBay. All of them are junk. You must be a very lucky person to find one that actually lasts longer... lol
Look at it this way do you really think cheap Chinese companies on the backstreet corner has the same resources as the mega corporations who would love nothing more than make their phones thinner/smaller and have better battery life?
Common sense.
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I am not a seller by any means.....just trying to help and thats all. I have owned three HD2 and still do... I have tested all most every single rom here and tried many different batteries before I actually found one that last me very long time than the original battery with same cpu settings and rom. Just sharing what I found
P.S. Most of the resources of your mega corporations are actually in china...it is called outsourcing lollll....check the labels of your products buddy
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12hrs is about what you get on a standard cell.
6hrs is what you get on a ****e rom/kernal or with a cheap china battery swollen like a rotton mellon.
2300mAh in a standard size battery is impossible using current Lithuim Ion technology.
Total bull**** & that linked battery will be 1100 maybe 1200 at best.
I have dealt with factories in China making this junk & as an engineer can 100% claim 2300mAh in standard size cell on Li Ion is not possible ...
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Mister B,
Do you think there is a manufacturer out there who can actually produce a new extended battery for our HD2 using new technology (like Huawei Honor's 1900+mah)? If only there is a DIY battery...
I am not an engineer and if you really are then I can tell you this... there is nothing impossible in tech world...and there is no limit. Many of the technology, hardware and software you see today, someone in the past thought are impossible. Making things possible is what we call science. I am not totally discounting the limit. But making an extended and effective thin battery is not impossible when everything getting thinner and lighter day by day...just like making a pocket size cell or smartphone in the era of brick-sized and shaped cell phone was considered impossible. Science and technology do not take things for granted...
I get 24 hours from my battery, with 3g on and bluetooth on, 1 hour of calls, some texts,2 hours of 3g browsing (lots of them reading xda), reading documents and a lot of emails..
So I think you had a bad battery and or you have wrong settings or you havea very intense and heavy usage..
With a cheap Chinese extended battery from ebay for 10 € I can easily get 48 hours..
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NYSEAN1 said:
Just want to inform those who are frustrated just like me about the battery draining problem with the limited hd2 stock battery. On average and moderate use with most roms it will die between 5 to 6 hours or even earlier no matter what setting you have. If you use the extended battery it will double up you battery power. However most extended batteries are ugly fat and requires a custom battery cover for which you have to sacrifice the many/all phone cases you would like to have on to protect you phone.
I have found this THIN and EXTENDED battery at ebay:
New 2300mAh High Capacity Battery For HTC HD2 T8585 LEO
Item number: 260840063860
I want to confirm that after several and full charging, it lasts me about 12-15 hours, and I am not kidding. You don't need to sacrifice your case or don't need an ugly fat battery cover since it is the same size of the original battery. Please note that there are few 2300 mah extended and thin battery of HD2 available on ebay. I tried couple of those and they both last well over 12 hours. If any of you are interested, you may want to consider. Hope this solves your battery drainage. It solved mine. Good Luck
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I own this battery. It provides very similar performance to the stock battery. In addition, it was a bit too large for my HD2; I had to trim it to fit with an Exacto knife. I have the TMOUS model. It may be a little better, but not much.
NYSEAN1 said:
I am not an engineer and if you really are then I can tell you this... there is nothing impossible in tech world...and there is no limit. Many of the technology, hardware and software you see today, someone in the past thought are impossible. Making things possible is what we call science. I am not totally discounting the limit. But making an extended and effective thin battery is not impossible when everything getting thinner and lighter day by day...just like making a pocket size cell or smartphone in the era of brick-sized and shaped cell phone was considered impossible. Science and technology do not take things for granted...
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For 10>15 bucks it is impossible.
No cell manufacturer makes a cell of 2300mAh as small as HD2 standard battery.
Latest 1800 to 1900mAh batteries are thin but overall volume is larger & cells are constructed with absolute minimal framing & wrapping.
China has some great manufacturing but it also has world leading fraudulent copying & low quality goods with misleading specifications masked as high quality items.
Cell technology for small 2000mAh+ batteries will come but it is not available yet & certainly not first on eBay ...
erlern said:
Mister B,
Do you think there is a manufacturer out there who can actually produce a new extended battery for our HD2 using new technology (like Huawei Honor's 1900+mah)? If only there is a DIY battery...
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Huawei Honor is a 3.7v Li-Polymer cell, the cell itself is quite large & test results seem power is around 1850mAh & up.
Li-polymer has lower power density than Li-ion & lower charge cyle count but it does allow very thin cell designs & minimal battery shell/wrapper & more form design options.
Li-Polymer is not new technology, Good progress is being made on improving power density of cells but it will be 2 to 5 years before you see big gain in retail products & it won't be on eBay first ;-)
it is kinda tight...mine lasts at time and half the original. Never have to worry about it dying if I don't have access to charger as I write this it has been off charger for 10 hrs and about 60% juice left. Lot of credit goes to the great Rom and kernel developers of this great site. I salute them!
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It is funny that most replies are attacking China. China's manufacturing ability is real and well tested. That is why you will barely find any small or big corporation who does not rely on China. Now don't start calling me Chinese...lollll I am neither Chinese nor a seller!!!
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NYSEAN1 said:
It is funny that most replies are attacking China. China's manufacturing ability is real and well tested. That is why you will barely find any small or big corporation who does not rely on China. Now don't start calling me Chinese...lollll I am neither Chinese nor a seller!!!
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The Chinese put out some quality material, including batteries. I think almost all of mine have been assembled there, although some will mention "Japanese cells".
Wow 24hr that's awesome. On HD2? If you don't mind which Rom?
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NYSEAN1 said:
It is funny that most replies are attacking China. China's manufacturing ability is real and well tested. That is why you will barely find any small or big corporation who does not rely on China. Now don't start calling me Chinese...lollll I am neither Chinese nor a seller!!!
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US Brentronics buy cells from China for military use, unfortunately copy products & cheap tat for quick profit has damaged Chinas product reputation as a whole ...
The 2 largest cell suppliers are Japan & Korea but all the low cost Chinese batteries use Chinese made cells some of which are ok & some not as QC is low & production material grades vary drastically.China has amazing manufacturing abilities but also some amazing waste of human resources & materials to produce pollution & junk products with a life-span of maybe a week !
When buying from China do some product research first ...
NYSEAN1 said:
Take into consideration that Motorola atrix 4g has 1930 mAh and it is thin. So it is not impossible! I am not an engineer for that matter but the battery I got certainly doubled up the power...as I write my last charge was at 8:30am...now it is 6pm..I have 50% left after one hour of music, half an hour of navigation, few short phone calls, an hour of web browsing...checking facebook few times, few test messaging....two hours underground without service when the phone really drains out battery like diarrhea looking for service....my original battery would be dead by 3pm the latest....I have 50% left!!! And as I was saying Atrix has a thin battery so it is not impossible!!! OR I must have pure luck
AND another thing, I am not a seller!!!!!!
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I have a almost 2 year old T-mobile HD2 and I can tell you that my standard battery will easily last me 12 hours when I use my phone to listen to MP3 or FM radio. Normal use for me will easily net 2 days with standard outlook settings, yahoo settings, and a few phone calls along with text mesages.
1 standard battery will give me about 4 hours of video before it croaks... and that is with bitrates upto and including 2mbps.....
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NYSEAN1 said:
It is funny that most replies are attacking China. China's manufacturing ability is real and well tested. That is why you will barely find any small or big corporation who does not rely on China. Now don't start calling me Chinese...lollll I am neither Chinese nor a seller!!!
Sent from my HTC Sensation XL with Beats Audio X315e using xda premium
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The problem is not with the Chinese ability to manufacture quality items, it is with their preferred route of as cheap as possible with no to little quality. They have chosen to be the kings of disposable merchandise.....
My HD2 was made in China and that phone has been nothing short of spectacular......