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[Q] Real world noticeable benefits of Over clocking G2?

Hey,
So I'm on the fence about perma rooting and over clocking my G2, but i have a few questions:
1) Will my battery life suffer greatly due to over clocking say to 1Ghz or 1.4Ghz?
2) Are there any real world noticeable real world performance gains besides benchmark scores?
3) Will perma-Rooting it decrease performance? (Back when i had the mytouch 3g, the phone never felt as snappy after i rooted and installed custom roms, as compared to stock).
Thanks

1) battery life is the same if not better when overclocked with setcpu in ondemand mode at 245/1100mhz
2) there is a definite performance increase
3) custom roms can decrease performance depending on the rom and ui (sense is a bit heavy). Just simply rooting will not decrease performance. Also, CM6.1 is super snappy, especially using Launcher42
DO IT!
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thedarkpassenger said:
1) battery life is the same if not better when overclocked with setcpu in ondemand mode at 245/1100mhz
2) there is a definite performance increase
3) custom roms can decrease performance depending on the rom and ui (sense is a bit heavy). Just simply rooting will not decrease performance. Also, CM6.1 is super snappy, especially using Launcher42
DO IT!
Sent from my T-Mobile G2
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Launcher42? that's a heck lot of upgrade from Launcher2 I'd like to check it out
but he's right overclocking is not going to eat up your battery much. Heavy graphic ROMs do however suck up battery and performance. I personally like to stick to rooted stock roms and tune up here and there to fit my personal needs.
You should however read carefully and make sure to understand every steps you're doing if you want to root your phone.

androidtoy09 said:
Launcher42? that's a heck lot of upgrade from Launcher2 I'd like to check it out
but he's right overclocking is not going to eat up your battery much. Heavy graphic ROMs do however suck up battery and performance. I personally like to stick to rooted stock roms and tune up here and there to fit my personal needs.
You should however read carefully and make sure to understand every steps you're doing if you want to root your phone.
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thedarkpassenger said:
1) battery life is the same if not better when overclocked with setcpu in ondemand mode at 245/1100mhz
2) there is a definite performance increase
3) custom roms can decrease performance depending on the rom and ui (sense is a bit heavy). Just simply rooting will not decrease performance. Also, CM6.1 is super snappy, especially using Launcher42
DO IT!
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Alright I'm going to give it a shot later tonight probably, i forgot about the SETCPU profiles where you can have the phone under clocked while the screen is off. That should definitely give me better battery life. Ill be back to post results

kcm117 said:
Alright I'm going to give it a shot later tonight probably, i forgot about the SETCPU profiles where you can have the phone under clocked while the screen is off. That should definitely give me better battery life. Ill be back to post results
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Good luck and I'm sure you will enjoy your G2.
Oh, and don't forget to show it off to your friends. Let them see how this thing "Fly"

I oc to 1.4+ with setcpu and a few profiles set up i get much better bat life then stock. Im also running a sense rom which feels sluggish until you oc. At 1.4 it runs smooth as can be with live wallpapers plus all the pretty sense animations. The only problem i have is i hate the sense dialer and msg system also i want to change the "personalise" tab....do people really change theyre settings everyday that they need a dedicated button for it? Anyway i digress
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Excuse me, since when does increasing the clockspeed of your CPU INCREASE battery life?!

convolution said:
Excuse me, since when does increasing the clockspeed of your CPU INCREASE battery life?!
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No, that's not entirely true BUT with SetCPU you can profile it with different mode which can benefit the battery life.

kcm117 said:
Hey,
So I'm on the fence about perma rooting and over clocking my G2, but i have a few questions:
1) Will my battery life suffer greatly due to over clocking say to 1Ghz or 1.4Ghz?
2) Are there any real world noticeable real world performance gains besides benchmark scores?
3) Will perma-Rooting it decrease performance? (Back when i had the mytouch 3g, the phone never felt as snappy after i rooted and installed custom roms, as compared to stock).
Thanks
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I don't notice any difference in battery and I have the 1.9ghz kernel. I normally keep it at 1ghz though. I enjoy it overclocked. My games run incredibly smooth, when navigating my phone it literally almost feels like it knows what i'm pressing a split second before i do and benchmarks rape the face off anyone else I know with an android phone. It's just sooo smooth. It really boils down to being the kind of person who likes to hold a powerhouse of a phone in the palm of their hand. (Literally) with even just the 1.4ghz OC you'll never have to ask yourself "can my phone run this without being sluggish?" because the answer is yes, it can probably even run two or three instances of whatever made you question yourself in the first place without being sluggish. Any if you're worried about custom roms from the past, just remember how outdated your old android is compared to this one. No offense because I can relate, I used to have a G1 that is now a hand-me-down to my brother and whenever he asks me to mod something on it, I'm just amazed at how slow it is and really don't know how I tolerated it for the last 2 years. I mean I'd score a 150 quadrant on the G1 (on a good day) but with my full OC on, the G2 scores 3000~3100. That's roughly 20 times faster...
Bottom line is that you won't need to worry about "will this make my device sluggish?" for quite some time.

Hey
Alright guys i got the phone perma rooted now, but i havent installed an OC kernel yet, two questions.
-Which kernal should i install if i want 1.4Ghz? there seems to be two threads with 1.4ghz kernels
-Do i need to install Bacon Bits for the kernel?

kcm117 said:
Alright guys i got the phone perma rooted now, but i havent installed an OC kernel yet, two questions.
-Which kernal should i install if i want 1.4Ghz? there seems to be two threads with 1.4ghz kernels
-Do i need to install Bacon Bits for the kernel?
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just install cm6.1 and setCPU and you will be fine, then you can tweak it up to 1.42 if you like or whatever you want it at

Any heat related issues? Let's say I get into a zone and play some graphics intensive game 6 hours straight on USB power at 1.4Ghz? Wouldn't that put out more heat then the G2 was design to handle possibly shortening its life span?

convolution said:
Excuse me, since when does increasing the clockspeed of your CPU INCREASE battery life?!
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It doesn't. However, overclocking is misnomer. What we really mean is over and UNDER clocking. For example with SetCPU is can create a profile that greatly slows down my CPU when the screen is off. This saves the battery a lot, since my screen is nearly always off.
Also, I can create profiles that slow down the CPU as the battery lowers in order to offset the fact that I overclock the CPU when the battery is fuller.

manvstech said:
Wouldn't that put out more heat then the G2 was design to handle possibly shortening its life span?
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Probably could shorten the life span. I keep phones for a year or two, though, and shortened life span for me isn't an issue. The phone becomes outdated before the CPU gives up.

cparekh said:
It doesn't. However, overclocking is misnomer. What we really mean is over and UNDER clocking. For example with SetCPU is can create a profile that greatly slows down my CPU when the screen is off. This saves the battery a lot, since my screen is nearly always off.
Also, I can create profiles that slow down the CPU as the battery lowers in order to offset the fact that I overclock the CPU when the battery is fuller.
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^This.
I've gone a full 10 hours with my battery still reporting 100%.
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my default sense rom does not feel sluggish at all.
this oc is not really required from my point of view. and it also does not increase battery. the thing what increased is the underclocking when screen is off.
and this you can do even without overclocking. and THEN it brings even more gain.

an example of "real world" for me is how well my g2 plays PSX games on the emulator. I have it overclocked at 1.5 on setcpu and it runs chrono cross pretty much flawlessly with no noticeable slow down.

i use setcpu for underclocking since i don't do enough just yet to overclock, i haven't noticed any battery increase just yet and i've been using it for a few days now. i almost questioned my self if i was losing battery life due to my system mhz always fluctuating? is this a possibility? i just added a profile for screen off 245/245 but i still had to choose on demand? what should i put there. thanks for ur help everyone

I installed the bacon bits 1.4ghz kernel and setup some setcpu profiles.....battery life is much better now.
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screen off profile doesn't work with G2
noone has any proof it does change anything.
with or without widget running

Fresh 3.5.0.1 + net's 4.3.2 CFS nosbc havs more + latest radios = 1100s quadrant?!

Hi guys,
I have been running Fresh since I first rooted my phone months and months ago. I would say, that on average, I would get high 1400s to low 1500s in quadrant with either net's or king's kernels. Lately, however, as I was finding time to update the benchmarks on my sig, I found that my quadrants are landing at about 1100s. I don't remember them being that low with net's 4.3.1 kernel and below. Anyone else having issues with his latest (4.3.2) kernels? Everything other than the low quadrants are fine; including fps2d and linpack.
Also, I tried CFS and BFS with the same results.
Any ideas?!
Thanks in advance...

Quadrant tests don't mean ****. Does your phone run OK? If it does, don't even worry about it.

Did you upgrade you Quadrant? The new one reports lower scores.

jstalford said:
Did you upgrade you Quadrant? The new one reports lower scores.
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Indeed! That might be it. How come it reports lower now? Shouldn't they have adjusted the other phones listed as well then?!

I can't remember exactly, but I think they fixed something that was causing scores to be falsely reported as higher than they actually were. Not sure why they didn't adjust the scores in the graph, maybe they were unaffected by whatever was fixed?

Well, anyone else experiencing the same thing? Lower quadrants?!

unless you love stroking your ego, these scores mean nothing. as long as the phone is snappy and responsive for you, don't worry about "lower" scrores

Yep I get a lot lower scores on all roms and kernels I use.
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Just tested on fresh 3.5.0.1 with stock kernel and got 1014.
I couldn't imagine a phone running any smoother than this and I have no need to overclock or tweak or anything. Easily get 16 hours on a charge with moderate use.

brokentoaster24 said:
unless you love stroking your ego, these scores mean nothing. as long as the phone is snappy and responsive for you, don't worry about "lower" scrores
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I understand that it isn't accurate, but it is still the most used method of comparing between and within devices. As long as the 'innacuracy' is constant across the board, what does it matter? It also, somewhats, can give you a glimpse of whether a ROM or kernel is better or worst than others. Which is what I mostly use it for. A 300-400 drop is significant IMHO and I don't feel I'm crazy for inquiring about it.

Bielinsk said:
Just tested on fresh 3.5.0.1 with stock kernel and got 1014.
I couldn't imagine a phone running any smoother than this and I have no need to overclock or tweak or anything. Easily get 16 hours on a charge with moderate use.
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Good to know I'm not the only one. I didn't notice any change in performance on my end too. Just thought the sudden drop was weird.
Thanks!

from my experience, there's tons of things you can do to improve quad scored but do nothing in the realm of real world gains. look up data2ext for serious I/O boosts
edit: just for fun, i loaded up the same set up. overclocked and set to performance governor and i get about 1300's

[Q] Cant Overclock???

Im getting kinda fustrated here... i tried CM7 and currently on Ice Glacier and im having a problem where when i try to overclock my phone (even if its not so high) it gets frozen and needs a battery pull... i know that some cpu's cant handle frequencies like 1.8ghz, but even at 1.2 / 1.3 / 1.4 etc. i still get it. I switched from smartass, ondemand, and other governers and still freezes... any advice? Or am i stuck with the weakest link??

mike21pr said:
Im getting kinda fustrated here... i tried CM7 and currently on Ice Glacier and im having a problem where when i try to overclock my phone (even if its not so high) it gets frozen and needs a battery pull... i know that some cpu's cant handle frequencies like 1.8ghz, but even at 1.2 / 1.3 / 1.4 etc. i still get it. I switched from smartass, ondemand, and other governers and still freezes... any advice? Or am i stuck with the weakest link??
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have you tried flashing another kernel?...maybe another Faux kernel on low voltage or maybe try Grankin v.05 kernel

Freek91 said:
have you tried flashing another kernel?...maybe another Faux kernel on low voltage or maybe try Grankin v.05 kernel
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im using faux right now. ill see if i can find another one thats good to try out
thnx

i always thought that stock voltage was the more stable of the two since thats why i flashed it first when i had this issue... Anyways, tried faux low voltage and cranked it up to 1.8ghz to see how it goes. PLayed around with it so see no freezing yet. but performance was pretty much the same so i tried quadrant and see... i get an average of 1600 so thats pretty low IMO. As soon as i change to ondemand governor... it froze
back to the drawing board

mike21pr said:
i always thought that stock voltage was the more stable of the two since thats why i flashed it first when i had this issue... Anyways, tried faux low voltage and cranked it up to 1.8ghz to see how it goes. PLayed around with it so see no freezing yet. but performance was pretty much the same so i tried quadrant and see... i get an average of 1600 so thats pretty low IMO. As soon as i change to ondemand governor... it froze
back to the drawing board
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well like im sure you've seen or heard...all hardware is different
so while 1.8ghz maybe slow...going down to 1.5 maybe quick and the opposite maybe true for someone elses phone...they may just totally fly at 1.8 while they grind to a halt at 1.5
so keep messing with it and see what happens...change clock speeds...change up the governors...just dont OC it to 1.8 and think the phone will magicly hit a 4100 quadrant and not have any issues
worse case...flash a different kernel and see how it acts
also on that topic...you said you were running IG...did you run the stock kernel for any length of time? did you try and OC that one?

Stable overclock for Hero?

I am new to phone overclocking and have just installed Zero Hero. Never overclocked a phone before so I would like to know what is a safe and stable overclock that pretty much any Hero can achieve?
Thanks

Depends on your hero. I've read some posts where there are those who report the hero being unstable past 700.
I would start bumping it up one setting at a time and see how it runs. I have mine set to 768/556 and its totally stable. Just remember that the higher the cpu clock the more drain on your battery.

Rich3077 said:
I am new to phone overclocking and have just installed Zero Hero. Never overclocked a phone before so I would like to know what is a safe and stable overclock that pretty much any Hero can achieve?
Thanks
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some heroes can't boot at 768. i have one i play with that can't and mine i use that can. only one way to find out

691 is the universal safest speed you can overclock to. Some are lucky like me and can overclock to the 800s.
Of course battery life sucks as you overclock. At least on my Evo 3D it does haha
私のEVO 3Dから送信される。

Best Battery Life?

I have two HTC EVO 4g phones with CyanogenMod 7.2 RC1 | Tiamat_Evo-v4.1.0-sbc (CPU governor: Smartassv2 245/1152). They are also running SuperCharger v6 script for memory optimization. What I'm looking for is optimal battery life, stability, and not very much focus on performance. Already searched Google for awhile and the answers were never clear and led me nowhere.

Bump. Also need a mod to move this to Q&A.

Well you might as well underclock; no need to be over a 1152. Additionally, play with undervolting to see how much the evo can take. Keep the radios off when not needed.

I'll do some underclocking, but undervolting seems kind of sketchy. The kernels are already undervolted.

+1 for undervolting and tiamats kernels are not undervolted by default so go go vipermod lol
what kind of battery life are you getting now?

IncrediControl or vipermod? I don't know what kind of battery life I'm getting since its my parents phones. I'll try undervolting out, but just want to know if the app is safer or the script. Your only supposed to go like -50 under for both right?
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Personally, I'm having fantastic battery life and performance on Swagged Out Stock N (thats the one with go launcher, and not sense), aggressive lionfish 1.8 SBC, plus using setCPU...

UnlockedNand said:
IncrediControl or vipermod? I don't know what kind of battery life I'm getting since its my parents phones. I'll try undervolting out, but just want to know if the app is safer or the script. Your only supposed to go like -50 under for both right?
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-50 is what i usually do and never used the app but script is great has yet to fail me on an aosp rom

Angelus359 said:
Personally, I'm having fantastic battery life and performance on Swagged Out Stock N (thats the one with go launcher, and not sense), aggressive lionfish 1.8 SBC, plus using setCPU...
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Thanks, but want to stick with well known aosp roms.
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-50 is what i usually do and never used the app but script is great has yet to fail me on an aosp rom
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Ok thanks man, yeah I ended up using vipermod -50 and underclocked the phone smartassv2 - 128/652. Working out great so far.

I'm a super heavy user and have tried all the big name roms, but none of them gave me the great combined total of speed and battery life, I get bewtween 15+ hrs other roms I got normally 6-10 nitrous Rom with underworld kernal and uv'd via vipermod using extreme mod, and still runs fast and I'm oc'd to 1.03
This is a picture of what I consider normal use, heavy I consider screen on all day, normal is like 3 hrs of Pandora text here and there played games probably for about an hour total, phone calls, surfing forums, using gps results:
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teh roxxorz said:
Well you might as well underclock; no need to be over a 1152. Additionally, play with undervolting to see how much the evo can take. Keep the radios off when not needed.
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This worked for me. Thanks

I've had a lot of bad experiences with aosp roms... GPS not working, poor data connection, and "cellular standyby" taking up an obnoxious amount of my battery... I've tried CyanogenMod and deck 1.3 with savaged Zen and tiamat kernels
Maybe I just have bad luck?

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I'm a super heavy user and have tried all the big name roms, but none of them gave me the great combined total of speed and battery life, I get bewtween 15+ hrs other roms I got normally 6-10 nitrous Rom with underworld kernal and uv'd via vipermod using extreme mod, and still runs fast and I'm oc'd to 1.03
This is a picture of what I consider normal use, heavy I consider screen on all day, normal is like 3 hrs of Pandora text here and there played games probably for about an hour total, phone calls, surfing forums, using gps results:
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The screen is what drains battery so much and yours was barely on =p