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What are the cons of Rooting??

As the title asks, with me getting the Evo (2 of them) on the 4th and wanting to root them to get full access, I understand the "pros" for rooting but what are the "cons"?

If you dont know the cons of rooting your phone... the con is you'll probably brick it.
good luck !

There aren't many, but I guess if you had to list them:
1) Slight risk of bricking your phone, but this really only applies if you're not careful, IMHO.
2) Technically it voids your warranty, however, you can always unroot, assuming your phone is still operational.
3) You won't receive OTA updates, however HTC has made a habit of not releasing timely OTA updates for their phones, and you can again unroot if you really want to.

Can you post a link to the PROs of rooting please. Thanks.

A few Pros:
1) Can install custom roms, which are usually faster and more customizable than the stock rom.
2) Can overclock
3) Can remove bloatware (e.g., Sprint pre-installed apps)
4) Can use a free wireless tethering app
5) You often get features from upcoming versions of Android faster than if you waited for the stock ROM to be sent out by the carrier/manufacturer (e.g., by installing new custom ROMS).

In regards to #4. How long do you think it will take someone to get wireless tethering going on the EVO. I think it is another 30 bucks a month if you want to pay for it. Overclock, that will be new territory for me, I have a Palm Treo Pro which could seriously use an OC.

I had WiMo for years and did the Kitchen and RUUs on many. My 6700 was OC'ed to 624. My VZW 6800 has a Sprint radio on it for GPS and 6.5 with lots of reg edits. Im not worried about bricking my device. Ive never bricked one before and done plan on it now.
Im aware of voiding the warranty but its not like VZW or Sprints reps have been much help or use before anyway.
Unrooting is something I dont see much about. I can understand why since rooting is where we all want to go but how do you unroot?
Not worried about OTA updates either as Im sure the updates will be on torrent sites and sites like this one for manual updates to happen.
Does all 3rd party software work on a rooted device or is there something in the software itself that needs to be changed?

PAPutzback said:
In regards to #4. How long do you think it will take someone to get wireless tethering going on the EVO. I think it is another 30 bucks a month if you want to pay for it. Overclock, that will be new territory for me, I have a Palm Treo Pro which could seriously use an OC.
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I currently use PDANet to tether.
It does not require Root.
Maybe I am missing something here.

You can also use the multitude of root-required apps like Titanium Backup (my favorite Android app).

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You can also use the multitude of root-required apps like Titanium Backup (my favorite Android app).
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Titanium Back up is also one of my fav Root/Android apps.
the only reason i root is for the roms and apps

I'm a noob but saw utube video about rooting the EVO but does someone know the actual steps to do this , forgive my ignorance. Please don't flame me, I know I'm a neophyte.

cooley_l said:
I'm a noob but saw utube video about rooting the EVO but does someone know the actual steps to do this , forgive my ignorance. Please don't flame me, I know I'm a neophyte.
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I don't think the official steps have been officially released yet by whoever did it.

Yeah I dont think they have been released either. They are waiting for the phone to be officially released first.
I have PDAnet also for Android and am just waiting to get the device. I use it one my WiMo all the time and it works great.

here are the cons I have noticed since rooting my Hero......:
1. You will quickly turn into a flashaholic...
2. You will be glued to this site all the time......
3. You will never ever leave your phone alone....."if I could just change this one thing i will be happy" nope.... IT NEVER ENDS
4. oh and yes u could brick it and it does void the warranty
jus me 2 cents

beerock said:
here are the cons I have noticed since rooting my Hero......:
1. You will quickly turn into a flashaholic...
2. You will be glued to this site all the time......
3. You will never ever leave your phone alone....."if I could just change this one thing i will be happy" nope.... IT NEVER ENDS
4. oh and yes u could brick it and it does void the warranty
jus me 2 cents
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..and I'll add another 98 cents to that!!

I had root on my Hero for wifi tether, and the roms. OTA updates don't mean anything because the devs are able to usually incorporate those right away and even before they are released. I was running 2.1 on my Hero long before Sprint released it. I also like having the ability to remove all the System apps I don't want. I don't see much negatives from rooting.

[Q] I've searched, no one asked: Should I root my Vibrant?

Ok...
No one has debated or have asked this question:
Should I root my Vibrant?
I'd like to actually see a debate whether or not rooting is better or stock is better. I know you have to root in order to do custom ROM, but what I'm trying to achieve on this thread is, the benefits of rooting (since I know there are plenty). I just want to give noobs and new users of Vibrant the flexibility of deciding whether they need to root, or not. I myself, have a rooted vibrant, and LOVE IT.
So, is rooting for me? Should I root the Vibrant? Or stick with the stock?
P.S.
I used "me" as an example. It isn't necessary that I want to ask the question, i just thought it's better if i put "me" on the question...

Rooting is ALWAYS better.

Certainly the VAST majority of people do not need to root their phones for any reason. I have several friends with Vibrants that are quite happy with their phones as-is.
You gain absolutely nothing by rooting your phone, there is absolutely no difference in any way shape or form except you can now do modifications that non-rooted phones can not. The question isn't whether to root or not, the question is whether or not you want to do something with/to your phone that requires root access.
For me, I would have had to stick with my Blackberry simply to have tethering ability, it is a feature I have had to use many, many times. Since I never got Kies working right, I had no choice but to root in order to install MobileAP which has been a real life saver for me when I absolutely had to have internet access on my laptop and their was no alternative. This is the same reason I had to root my wife's 3G Slide. She absolutely has to have internet access and it is her only means to get it in some places.
That will probably be the only reason for her. Me, being a techie, I have flash Franken-Twiz, Bionix 1.8, 1.9, and am now running Fusion and absolutely love my phone now.

djquick said:
Rooting is ALWAYS better.
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How come it is ALWAYS better? What makes rooting better for you?
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@ Kerry
Well put. Hopefully this would bring light to new users.
Personally, rooting is a must for me, because of the fact I'm always on the road, having a tethered phone has an advantage.
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I rooted because I could...
I like the ability to do different things with my phone - I'm not one to leave it stock if I don't have too.
but it's weird, I haven't jailbroke my ipod yet - never really felt the need to nor the desire.
with my phone (and this is my first android) it just seemed like the right thing to do, then after bricking during the OTA I dived right into flashing ROMs and overclocking...yeah, rooting like a gateway drug...and I'm so happy...
but I was the noob on rooting/flashing/ etc up until the other week...and now I have a flashing problem...hahahaha

I rooted my phone just to delete the bloatware.

There is a whole section of "things to do with root" in the general sticky....
I mean, that IS the reason to root... to open up options.
Want to control which apps can open at startup? Want to tether? Want to flash a custom rom? Want to overclock the processor? Want to get rid of bloatware? Want to create backups of your phone for an "oh $hit" moment?
I really do not see any reason not to. Especially since it is so easy to get back to stock/non-root.

I owned a G1 previously and never thought rooting was for me. Less than 2 weeks after getting my Vibrant I decided to give rooting a go and instantly loved it. I was actually mad at myself afterwards for not even considering rooting my G1 and running stock for almost 2 years. I don't even use custom ROMs but I love being able to take screen caps, Mobile AP, and being able to block ads.

djquick said:
Rooting is ALWAYS better.
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That depends on who is using the phone. I mean for someone that doesn't care for rom or doing anything other than making phone call, text, and browse the web, he or she will not really need to root. They will not find root better. Like my GF thinks root is too much work and hassle. For me, I think root is better since i actually like to try new roms and get updates before the OTA. Root will give you the ability to tether and use custom recovery to backup/restore.
Now to the OP, it just depends on what you are looking to do with your phone. If you are just using it to make calls and browse the web, you can just keep it unrooted. If you plan to use tethering or make any system changes, you will need to root. Also, if you root, it doesn't mean you have to do anything else to your phone. You can still keep it in its stock form and have the option to do whatever you want later. It's up to you.

Shakespeare Said it is better to root
Shakespeare says it is better to root Ahhhh .... Yes to Quote:
"to Root or not to root"... that is the question
"Is it better to suffer the slings and bloatware from the carrier" or to
Just Root the phone and make it more versatile, delete the bloat and do what and when you want to the phone YOU own
I personally never like outside controls on objects that I buy.... neither would Shakespeare
Rooting is always better unless you are only interested in the retail version only type device.
Listen to Kerry G he has it right

Tether
Just a note! I can tether with PDAnet using bluetooth and I'm not rooted.
Rooting isn't a requirment to tether, However there may be other options that do require root access.

Great feedback.
s15274n said:
There is a whole section of "things to do with root" in the general sticky....
I mean, that IS the reason to root... to open up options.
Want to control which apps can open at startup? Want to tether? Want to flash a custom rom? Want to overclock the processor? Want to get rid of bloatware? Want to create backups of your phone for an "oh $hit" moment?
I really do not see any reason not to. Especially since it is so easy to get back to stock/non-root.
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Lol, somehow i knew s15274n would reply. Not many people know that rooting is a good thing or a bad thing. They don't know that they got options. I've been reading and been surfing on XDA for a long time, I had an old handle here, when WinMo was popular. But then when i got promoted, I started to be on the road, i've lost touch (and my account i closed).
Many people I encounter across the country don't know why they should root, or skeptical to root. Since I got the Vibrant, i rooted it right away, and plenty of my clientèle are amazed of what that Android phone can do. Most have Crackberry, and I've led them to this site and found it very usefull.
They don't see the stickies, or such, so i made a thread that i could access on my phone to show them. They ask the same thing all the time, "Should I root/Why do you root/I'm afraid to root/I don't know Andriod" Most of them don't have the time to read stickies. SO, i tell them. But I tell them of what MY opinion is (and why I wanted to root), and so i decided to thread and ask other people's opinion on why they would root.
Great feedback guys

oka1 said:
Shakespeare says it is better to root Ahhhh .... Yes to Quote:
"to Root or not to root"... that is the question
"Is it better to suffer the slings and bloatware from the carrier" or to
Just Root the phone and make it more versatile, delete the bloat and do what and when you want to the phone YOU own
I personally never like outside controls on objects that I buy.... neither would Shakespeare
Rooting is always better unless you are only interested in the retail version only type device.
Listen to Kerry G he has it right
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Good one!

Proud new 10.1 owner...Thinking of rooting..

does rooting this tab and isntalling a custom rom make a huge difrence as far as speed and battery life? im interrested in doing it, but want to make sure it is worth it...i know it always has been on my android phones...
thoughts?

Personally, I believe it to be an improvement. I'm running Paris v4 rom at the moment and it's exceptionally fast and smooth. I noticed lag when sliding between screens without the rom and it annoyed me enough to try Paris. I would never go back.
Rooting lets you fully use your Tab imho.

im a new owner too, and i wanna know does the rooting break the warrenty from the seller or can you unroot it if something happends to it ??

It can be unrooted. not sure on the warranty question.

dvigue said:
does rooting this tab and isntalling a custom rom make a huge difrence as far as speed and battery life? im interrested in doing it, but want to make sure it is worth it...i know it always has been on my android phones...
thoughts?
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I have always believed in staying stock until rooting and ROM'ing my G2x. The difference was more than night and day; more like the sun and the planet that was, Pluto. I took the plunge with my GTab 10.1 after going through hell with the stock OS. task650 and Phantom's "In Paris" v4 ROM will make you wonder why you didn't do it earlier!
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You are doing your Tab & yourself injustice if you don't root it.
Having a Titanium Backup of your apps comes in handy & among other stuff.

This thread has the worst advice i've seen across the entire XDA-Developers website.
DO NOT ROOT UNLESS YOU HAVE A REASON TO ROOT
Rooting allows you to make administrative changes only. This means you have the ability to use it as you would a Linux computer.
You will not get a speed boost.
You will not get magic abilities.
You will gain the ability to completely destroy your tab.
You will gain the ability to run malicious apps to their full potential.
Do not root unless you have a reason to root.

AdamOutler said:
This thread has the worst advice i've seen across the entire XDA-Developers website.
DO NOT ROOT UNLESS YOU HAVE A REASON TO ROOT
Rooting allows you to make administrative changes only. This means you have the ability to use it as you would a Linux computer.
You will not get a speed boost.
You will not get magic abilities.
You will gain the ability to completely destroy your tab.
You will gain the ability to run malicious apps to their full potential.
Do not root unless you have a reason to root.
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Hey here's a reason:
Installing a modded rom.
Hows that for a good reason?
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AdamOutler said:
This thread has the worst advice i've seen across the entire XDA-Developers website.
DO NOT ROOT UNLESS YOU HAVE A REASON TO ROOT
Rooting allows you to make administrative changes only. This means you have the ability to use it as you would a Linux computer.
You will not get a speed boost.
You will not get magic abilities.
You will gain the ability to completely destroy your tab.
You will gain the ability to run malicious apps to their full potential.
Do not root unless you have a reason to root.
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Starting a post with a general insult, writing in huge font, and giving no useful information. Over 2000 posts, called "recognized developer," and you're still trolling? Bad form, dude.
+1 for installing a custom ROM. Sure, anyone using these forums should know that rooting won't do any of this for you. But a custom ROM will...

Don't listen to anyone but yourself on this issue. Go to the development section and look over some of the ROMs posted and what they offer in terms of features/improvements. Then read some of the user reviews/comments in those threads, as well as any particular issues any of the ROMs are having. Then take a look at what you can do with root access that you can't without it.
Then I would say use your tab for a few days. If you feel yourself wanting to try out those ROMs or those things that need root, than do it. If your device makes you happy as is and you don't feel like doing it, than don't. That's the best advice anyone can give.

slack04 said:
Starting a post with a general insult, writing in huge font, and giving no useful information. Over 2000 posts, called "recognized developer," and you're still trolling? Bad form, dude.
+1 for installing a custom ROM. Sure, anyone using these forums should know that rooting won't do any of this for you. But a custom ROM will...
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Installing a custom ROM is a good reason, however this guy obviously has no clue what is or what it does.
Recommending that anyone "root" is totally bad information 100% bad information.
Bad information
You are doing your Tab & yourself injustice if you don't root it.
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If someone EVER asks "Should I root"? The answer should ALWAYS be "no".
Remember this line: With great power, comes great responsibility.
Would you give a gun to someone who does not know how to use it? Root has the same potential to destroy your device as a gun has to kill you. Rooting just to "root" is ridiculously dangerous and should never be done.
How many times have you seen someone say "Hey, I've rooted my device, what cool apps can I run"? You don't root your device and then look for things to run.
If someone asks "Should I root my device" and has no reason, the answer is NO! under no circumstances should you root your device unless you have a reason you NEED root capabilities.
Gah... why don't you just tell him to run su;rm -rf / <<never run this.

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Gah... why don't you just tell him to run su;rm -rf / <<never run this.
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I'm not real into Android Dev humor, but I know computers (Windows) almost inside and out. I take it this would be the Android version of the common joke "Delete System32"?
What exactly does that command do, if I may ask?

He clearly stated in the OP that he has rooted his previous android devices and put roms on them. He was specifically asking if he should with THIS device.
He was maybe wondering if the device is fast enough to not need a custom rom. The answer to his question:
No device is fast enough :-D
And definitely not this one.

i think I read some post that if you root your tablet that the android market place will not let you purchase movies ... not sure if that is still true or not

@OP: I've rooted some other devices and when I picked up this device I was unsure... I finally did it one day after reading and reading and reading and watching a video or two I rooted... I flashed the overcome 1.2.1 rom and it really made a noticeable difference in speed. This was my reason to root my device and its good enough for me and if I damage it then its my fault and I take the hit for it simple enough...

I was in your exact same position a couple weeks ago, try rooting it and flashing " in parisv4" youll love it. Night and day speed difference

Edited:I rooted my Gtab so that I can play Hulu and be able to take advantage of the custom roms tweaks like the ability to overclock/underclock. More quality apps on the market like juice defender, Titanium backup, wifikiller, wifitether and so much more when rooted. Yes if your just looking to change the look of your home screen then just go download a launcher. But sine I rooted its hard to go back to stock. Currently I'm using Bindroid v2.0

There's no "need" to root. Running ADW allows me to customize the look, and to be honest, I don't get screen lag. People want to run custom roms... great. Does it do anything other than let you feel more in control? Not really. As for Hulu, I don't find myself wanting to watch much that's on there. Now... if you had said HBOGO, that would be a different story.

AdamOutler said:
This thread has the worst advice i've seen across the entire XDA-Developers website.
DO NOT ROOT UNLESS YOU HAVE A REASON TO ROOT
Rooting allows you to make administrative changes only. This means you have the ability to use it as you would a Linux computer.
You will not get a speed boost.
You will not get magic abilities.
You will gain the ability to completely destroy your tab.
You will gain the ability to run malicious apps to their full potential.
Do not root unless you have a reason to root.
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+1. Rooting is considered a toy. But it is very dangerous indeed... I have come acroos apps that can brick a device irreversibly. And, yeah, it voids the warranty, although you can unroot.
sent from my CM7 nokia 3210

I was running stock since end of July and then touchwiz... eventually I got bored and needed "a fix" in the form of rooting and custom rom =)
This is a fancy toy so once you get bored I would start looking into root/custom rom. Not before then.. Btw, Task650 & Phantoms In Paris v5 is a very nice rom to start with!

Debating on Rooting the S4

Im a pure n00b. I'm About to buy my first droid phone. Im very knowledgeable about iphones and the jailbreak world but I'm not sure what would be the benefit of rooting a droid phone. I've heard the droid community is pretty wide open without rooting.
What would be some benefits of rooting a phone like the samsung galaxy s4? I did see that it will allow you to tweak bluetooth to connect a ps3 controller to it wirelessly for emulators but is it anything else that XDA could share to help push me in that direction? any cool features?
Thanks in advance.

I'd say the biggest benefit from rooting is getting rid of that crap that both Samsung and AT&T put on the S4

First thing, droid phones are from Motorola. Call all others android phones. It will save some unnecessary flaming.
Pretty much still running the stock rom on mine, but used root to flash a mod that allows free wifi tethering and hot spot, and an extended power menu.
Flashing roms is also a big reason most people root phones. You can pick and choose what you want(touchwiz roms or aosp) and find one you like.
I wouldnt want an android phone without rooting it.
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I mainly rooted for faux's kernel which removed the launcher lag and the messaging lag that occurs sometimes. I also rooted to removed all the bloatware.

Biggest reasons to root, for me personally, are custom roms, custom kernels, debloating, backing up and restoring apps, theming, overclocking, and undervolting. These are just my reasons personally. There are literally hundreds of other things you can do as a root user that you couldnt do otherwise.
The worst case scenario of rooting being, if you really dont find the benefit for yourself personally, its pretty easy to revert back to stock unrooted. These samsung phones now are basically unbrickable and flashing is really easy, especially if youve went through jailbreaking an iphone... lol rooting a samsung device is way easier imo.
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I root for the deep-level backup capabilities, custom kernels that improve speed and battery life, Pie Control (makes navigating & using a large phone much easier), custom ROMs, mods like Hot Spot and custom themes, and deeper level security apps (firewall, find your phone, etc).

Here are the main reasons while people usually root. In no particular order.
1. Ad blocking
2. Remove unwanted apps "bloatware"
3. Custom ROMs/ advanced custom theming
4. Custom kernels and features such as nandroid backups and under/over clocking etc.
5. Tethering/free hot spot
6. Aosp ROMs
Ultimately think of rooting as taking complete control of your device. You can do pretty much anything depending on your knowledge after you are rooted.
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thanks
thanks everybody. starting to like the community already. alot of quick helping people here.
I'm grandfathered in with unlimited at ATT. so free hot spot and removing bloatware talked me into it. thanks.

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First thing, droid phones are from Motorola. Call all others android phones. It will save some unnecessary flaming.
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I was thinking the same thing..lol

How much space are you guys saving when you root and get rid of all the bloatware? How much available space is on your phone before all of your additional aps?

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djv3n0m said:
thanks everybody. starting to like the community already. alot of quick helping people here.
I'm grandfathered in with unlimited at ATT. so free hot spot and removing bloatware talked me into it. thanks.
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There is at least one downside to rooting. You can't take the updates w/o breaking root. I've not rooted my S4 yet, but am thinking about it. I always rooted my HTC phones and it would sometimes take several months for a developer to incorporate updates into a ROM. So that makes me a little gunshy with a new phone like this, as I assume there will be a few updates in the first few months. But it seems like the dev's are much more active and on top of it with the Samsung phones, so I'm tempted to go.
Main reasons I want to go are deep backup, ad blocking and being able to tweak my settings to make it so the home button does not wake up the phone. I know, the latter reason seems silly, but it's a big deal to me.
BTW, you do not need to root to be able to tether. Check out the PDANet+ app. That's what I'm using and it works great wired or via bluetooth.

jejb said:
There is at least one downside to rooting. You can't take the updates w/o breaking root. I've not rooted my S4 yet, but am thinking about it. I always rooted my HTC phones and it would sometimes take several months for a developer to incorporate updates into a ROM. So that makes me a little gunshy with a new phone like this, as I assume there will be a few updates in the first few months. But it seems like the dev's are much more active and on top of it with the Samsung phones, so I'm tempted to go.
Main reasons I want to go are deep backup, ad blocking and being able to tweak my settings to make it so the home button does not wake up the phone. I know, the latter reason seems silly, but it's a big deal to me.
BTW, you do not need to root to be able to tether. Check out the PDANet+ app. That's what I'm using and it works great wired or via bluetooth.
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You should be able to take otas if you have stock recovery and are just rooted, this is how it was on the S3 at least and I don't see why you can't. Also on the S3 we always got the leaks right before the otas came out so the ROMs would always have the newest builds out before the otas usually, depending on the developer, some didn't like using leaks. But Sextape would always have a leak right before the otas dropped and we had everything usually within a day or two up to a week. But the development there was amazing on the S3. :thumbup:
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GiantJay said:
You should be able to take otas if you have stock recovery and are just rooted, this is how it was on the S3 at least and I don't see why you can't.
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You can take the OTA, it will just break root. There were several threads here stating that fact here when the MDL OTA came out for the S4.

GiantJay said:
You should be able to take otas if you have stock recovery and are just rooted, this is how it was on the S3 at least and I don't see why you can't. Also on the S3 we always got the leaks right before the otas came out so the ROMs would always have the newest builds out before the otas usually, depending on the developer, some didn't like using leaks. But Sextape would always have a leak right before the otas dropped and we had everything usually within a day or two up to a week. But the development there was amazing on the S3. :thumbup:
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Exactly what I was going to say! Sextape always came thru on the e4gt as well. The next update would always be out before the official release. So glad to see him have stuff for the s4 as well.
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jejb said:
You can take the OTA, it will just break root. There were several threads here stating that fact here when the MDL OTA came out for the S4.
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This is generally the case with OTA's, but every year it seems like rooting becomes more straight forwsrd, especially for Samsung. As for MDL it was a specific attribute added by Samsung to tighten up control on deeper root access that broke root, but it was hardly a locked bootloader or anything that severe. Re-rooting was as simple as loading a kernel and then Odining. At this point, most manufacturers are beginning to understand the benefits of the development community. Now if we can just get the carriers to "get it."
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To put it very simple I root my phone to be free and to have my phone the way I wanted it not the way a company wants me to have it
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Once you root your phone and learn all the possibilities that come along with it, you won't go back haha It's a lot of fun after knowing your stuff. reading in this forum is probably one of, if not, the best thing/s you can do

Rooting for a purpose, then unrooting

So, I've been at this Android thing for a very long time, and had unofficially retired from the XDA world when I bought a GS7 because I never thought rooting would even be possible. Well, now that I've rooted the phone and experimented with a custom ROM, I've come up with a question I don't know that I've ever had or read before.
I'm struggling with whether or not to stay in the rooted universe because I had come to take advantage of Samsung Pay quite often, and I didn't realize the battery difference would be what it is.
I want my phone rooted for two primary reasons, 1) to hack the provisioning so that I can use the native hotspot feature without needing a special app like FoxFi, and 2) to be able to remove all the crapware these phones come with.
So.. Theoretically here..... Shouldn't it be possible to root my phone, remove the crap, hack the provisioning, and then unroot the phone, revert back to the stock kernel, get my battery life back, and use Samsung Pay again? I never did load Samsung Pay on this phone since I've rooted it.
I saw psouza's unrooting guide but if I recall it was a destructive process..... I'd like to see if there's a way to root, set things up, then unroot and restore the phone to a state that maintains the hotspot hack and makes Samsung Pay happy.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-galaxy-s7/help/magisk-t3462583/post68962510
I had the same question. Apparently if you alter the system the stock boot image/kernal will not boot.
You will get a verity error.

bart77 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-galaxy-s7/help/magisk-t3462583/post68962510
I had the same question. Apparently if you alter the system the stock boot image/kernal will not boot.
You will get a verity error.
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well poo....I wonder....since the S7 is still relatively new to hacking....I wonder if someone can figure out a workaround that would allow for tampering first, and a successful unrooting afterward. Or maybe this is a Android-wide problem...I've never really thought about this particular approach before....I've always just been always rooted, or never rooted.
I also have this hope that someone will figure out how to spoof whatever is necessary in order for Samsung Pay to still work.
I am using stang5.0liter's ROM and the only slight issue is the battery.......phone runs smoothly for me.....if Samsung Pay worked on this ROM I wouldn't even care about my initial question here.

spearoid said:
well poo....I wonder....since the S7 is still relatively new to hacking....I wonder if someone can figure out a workaround that would allow for tampering first, and a successful unrooting afterward. Or maybe this is a Android-wide problem...I've never really thought about this particular approach before....I've always just been always rooted, or never rooted.
I also have this hope that someone will figure out how to spoof whatever is necessary in order for Samsung Pay to still work.
I am using stang5.0liter's ROM and the only slight issue is the battery.......phone runs smoothly for me.....if Samsung Pay worked on this ROM I wouldn't even care about my initial question here.
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It will not work. The original kernel for the device checks system verity. This is a part of locked boot loaders and android M+. If one bit of information is changed the original kernel will not boot. The reason we can root with the engineer kernel is it does not do this. Due to being in a "custom" status and non original kernel Samsung pay will not work nor will it ever work with this root method.

You have ruined my life with this response

So, why is the performance so bad on the engineering kernal?

spearoid said:
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Just the messenger lol. But honestly I can live without root. If I desperately needed root I wouldn't have bought a Samsung device as they are not the best for it. If you NEED root next time look more towards Nexus Phones, now Pixel and WAY over priced imo. Or research which phones have good root with an unlockable BL. For that I would stray from VZW branded devices and buy an unlocked version from the manufacturer that is compatible with VZW
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So, why is the performance so bad on the engineering kernal?
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It was used for internal testing for Samsung. This was an early version of the first kernel they had for the S7, I believe and correct me if I am wrong anyone. It was fine tuned and then released but the engineering kernel was left in the dust.

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Just the messenger lol. But honestly I can live without root. If I desperately needed root I wouldn't have bought a Samsung device as they are not the best for it. If you NEED root next time look more towards Nexus Phones, now Pixel and WAY over priced imo. Or research which phones have good root with an unlockable BL. For that I would stray from VZW branded devices and buy an unlocked version from the manufacturer that is compatible with VZW
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I don't need to have root. I bought this phone fully expecting to never be able to root it again. After several months of non root usage, it was very nice to enjoy some of the luxuries of a rooted phone again. I'm still torn as to which direction to go. I use the hotspot feature daily, and it works much better now than in the unrooted world for me at least.
I just wanted to see if there was any hope for having the best of both worlds.

spearoid said:
I don't need to have root. I bought this phone fully expecting to never be able to root it again. After several months of non root usage, it was very nice to enjoy some of the luxuries of a rooted phone again. I'm still torn as to which direction to go. I use the hotspot feature daily, and it works much better now than in the unrooted world for me at least.
I just wanted to see if there was any hope for having the best of both worlds.
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I was too until the pokemon update lol then I decided no root.