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4G Support?

Will the HTC Incredible's radio support 4G when Verizon rolls it out?

No it does not support 4G

4G will require use of the sim card; since we don't got a spot for it..no go for the 4go.

qmartman711 said:
4G will require use of the sim card; since we don't got a spot for it..no go for the 4go.
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LTE requires a sim card? I think that's what OP meant. Idk

jp43 said:
Will the HTC Incredible's radio support 4G when Verizon rolls it out?
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To put all the pieces of this post together, no, it won't as it's a hardware requirement more than software. Plus, Verizon isn't "rolling out" 4g until.. summer '11? If it's anything like it is on Sprint, then it wouldn't be worth it.
That is unless you live in one of the 12 cities in the country (or world?) that have 4g network service available there.
4g Right now is just a stepping stone, by the time it's anything useful / prominent, it'll be time for you to renew your contract with Big Red.

Yup, VZW expects to have 25-30 markets with some LTE coverage by the end of 2011, double that in 2012, and they hope to have it whereever they have 3G today by the end of 2013. And that's simply their plan, as anyone in the technology industry knows delays are inevitible. I don't think we'll see the first 4G handsets from VZW for about a year.
So your 3G phone has a lot of life left in it. It's OK to be a little envious of the guy with an EVO today, if you happen to live in an area that has WiMAX coverage, but ultimately LTE is going to be superior in terms of coverage and speed.

It was actually a perfect time to grab this phone a few months ago because in roughly 1 1/2 - 2 years when we get our upgrades for a new phone the 4G/LTE coverage will be (hopefully) pretty substantial and can have a 4G supported phone right off the bat without having too much of a lack of 4G/LTE coverage.

How to tell if I'm on HSDPA or HSDPA+?

All,
I understand you can't tell if you are on 3G or 4G with the "H" symbol...but when you go to about phone -> network -> Mobile Network Type -> I only see HSDPA, never HSDPA+.
Is it supposed to show HSDPA+? Or its just a guessing game with "H" and HSDPA?
Just want to know if I'm on 4G or not.
Thanks!

On this phone you will see "H" regardless of HSPA/+. I downloaded the Mobile Signal Widget which shows you whether your network is 3G or H.

This is another thing I down quite understand. I remember the old 3g network would max out at about 1mb per sec. Then when they lunched the hsdpa it went up to about 4mbps in my area....now I was under the speculation that this means it was ready for hspa+. Well at the time I still had my g1 and my wife had her vibrant, both speeds were about the same her's a little faster probably due the faster phone. Now that i have the mt4g I thought i would be at least over 5mbps, but Im now the same as the vibrant. I was so excited about the hspa+ network, but either I dont have it in my area yet, or it was just false advertising. t-moble has a history of that. That had the faster internet on their map in my area about 4 months before it even happened. I called t-moble out on it and customer service kept sending services calls out to my local cell site, of course with out any results.

Crazynorwegian said:
This is another thing I down quite understand. I remember the old 3g network would max out at about 1mb per sec. Then when they lunched the hsdpa it went up to about 4mbps in my area....now I was under the speculation that this means it was ready for hspa+. Well at the time I still had my g1 and my wife had her vibrant, both speeds were about the same her's a little faster probably due the faster phone. Now that i have the g1 I thought i would be at least over 5mbps, but Im now the same as the vibrant. I was so excited about the hspa+ network, but either I dont have it in my area yet, or it was just false advertising. t-moble has a history of that. That had the faster internet on their map in my area about 4 months before it even happened. I called t-moble out on it and customer service kept sending services calls out to my local cell site, of course with out any results.
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To take advantage of the HSPA+ speeds, your hardware needs to be capable of it. Neither the G1 nor Vibrant meet those requirements. On T-Mobile, the G2 and MT4G were the first phones to utilize HSPA+. Depending on the area you're in, one may not even take advantage of full HSPA.

allen099 said:
To take advantage of the HSPA+ speeds, your hardware needs to be capable of it. Neither the G1 nor Vibrant meet those requirements. On T-Mobile, the G2 and MT4G were the first phones to utilize HSPA+. Depending on the area you're in, one may not even take advantage of full HSPA.
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Sorry the g1 in there was a typo, I was referring to my mt4g.

Please post questions in Q&A section.

T mobile has a posting of official hspa+ cities. Are you sure you're in one?
Keep in mind, when T Mobile says a city is hspa+, that means that at least 50% of the towers are upgraded to hspa+. So you still might not even get it.
And you'll see a difference for sure between the g2/mt4g running on hspa+, compared to a vibrant or g1 or whatever.
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I don't think the network indicator is always accurate. I've speedtested ~3.3mbps when the phone reported being on EDGE, which just isn't possible.
I've seen some reviews that complain the phone keeps falling back to EDGE and I wonder how much of that is just the phone showing inaccurate information.
There's no HSPA+ in my area and the phone currently reports being on HSPDA, but I recall that saying UMTS the other day. Again, that information displayed seems to be buggy.

HSPA+ and the ATRIX - Email from my Corp. AT&T Rep.

My email to her is below. But here is her response. So just hold it out people. It is coming. The phone supports it. AT&T just needs to "Turn it on"
Hi Donnie,
This means that the 4g Atrix is going to be ABLE to use the 4G service once it is available however, we do not have the service alive yet therefore you will not get those speeds at this time. We are proactively working on getting the network upgraded. Houston is a HOT spot for this project so I know it will not be long.
Thank you,
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Email i sent to my at&t rep who handles my corp account of about 150 phones.
According to ATT Website the Atrix, supports “4G” By using HSPA+. Houston is a HSPA+ market, but we have been unable to HSPA+ service.
We contacted CS and they said it was prolly a down tower. But I do a lot of driving and know that one tower would not affect all of Houston. So we hit up Google, and the results are disturbing. Motorola says it does not support HSPA+. Yet att website says it does. Many sites say that AT&T has disabled it. We need to know the truth. We bought this phone because it is listed as a 4G phone, but it seems we were misled. If you would please research this and shed some light on the matter.
https://supportforums.motorola.com/message/331802#331802
http://www.att.com/network/assets/maps/Houston.html
Thanks,
Donnie
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More BS from AT&T.
HSUPA is DISABLED on this device and i don't care how many lies at&t will try to push to cover this up.

Hey Donnie,
Had pretty much the same question for my Rep yesterday. Let me go ahead and say that I've yet to go to a market that is HSPA+ with my Atrix; my rep doesn't have one yet, she has an Inspire. She has been in "4G" market coverage where her phone shows 4+, the indication for 4G, and it's faster than her IP3 but not 2x as fast as 4G is supposed to be.
She told me that some markets are "4G" but only in the sense that they are running at 3.1 Mbps, which according to the FCC qualifies, hence At&t saying they have no 4G coverage. 4G being 7.2 Mbps.
She also informed me that At&t is not pushing 4G upgrades so much as they are pushing LTE upgrades, which according to her can run 5x as fast as 4G?
Sorry for the rambling, but I thought you might like that information.

clubtech said:
More BS from AT&T.
HSUPA is DISABLED on this device and i don't care how many lies at&t will try to push to cover this up.
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Again at&t will enable it when they want to go live with it. Point is Atrix, supports it. And will when the network is ready.

Not sure what counts as hspa+ speeds but im getting 4.5 mbps down where im sitting right now
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DrakenAlTi said:
Hey Donnie,
Had pretty much the same question for my Rep yesterday. Let me go ahead and say that I've yet to go to a market that is HSPA+ with my Atrix; my rep doesn't have one yet, she has an Inspire. She has been in "4G" market coverage where her phone shows 4+, the indication for 4G, and it's faster than her IP3 but not 2x as fast as 4G is supposed to be.
She told me that some markets are "4G" but only in the sense that they are running at 3.1 Mbps, which according to the FCC qualifies, hence At&t saying they have no 4G coverage. 4G being 7.2 Mbps.
She also informed me that At&t is not pushing 4G upgrades so much as they are pushing LTE upgrades, which according to her can run 5x as fast as 4G?
Sorry for the rambling, but I thought you might like that information.
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Wow really? Theyre not pushing 4g, theyre pushing lte? LTE is 4g. What att is calling 4g now is not 4g its 3g with overhaul. 7.2 mbps? The iphone 3gs could theoretically achieve these speeds but not on att. I like the atrix bht i didnt buy it for (4g) speeds. NO NETWORK HAS TRUE 4G!!!!!!
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donniesd said:
Again at&t will enable it when they want to go live with it. Point is Atrix, supports it. And will when the network is ready.
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We are talking about basic 3g they are disabling here ....nothing to do with hspa+.....
But you can believe whatever you want if it makes you feel better.

I know we're not getting HSPA+ speeds, but there's something even more. I have yet to see someone get more than 400Kbps UPLINK.
This is not just on AT&T.
Can someone ask an AT&T Rep about THAT!

Odd how my Captivate has HSUPA speeds yet my brother's Atrix doesn't... So much for the speeds not being available...

clubtech said:
More BS from AT&T.
HSUPA is DISABLED on this device and i don't care how many lies at&t will try to push to cover this up.
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HSPA+ *IS NOT* HSUPA. They're separate services. When AT&T enables HSPA+ across the country they'll also most likely send out a patch to enable HSUPA on the devices. Settle down on the conspiracy theories.
HSPA+ isn't enabled because the system isn't finished. We *all* knew this. When it is (in the next month or 2, most likely) they'll enable it and you'll see the difference overnight. My dad's worked for AT&T for 42 years as a repair tech (one of the 2 in this state that upgrade a majority of the HSPA+ and LTE hardware) and said the rough estimate looks like late March or very early April for HSPA+ and LTE in fall.

MarcMaiden said:
Not sure what counts as hspa+ speeds but im getting 4.5 mbps down where im sitting right now
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that is great speeds... im in an area where there is no H+ yet, in greensbroo NC but Charlotte NC has it and we a re the next to get it in NC... and i am getting 3.8 but without the HUSPA, we are getting .3/.4 uploads... no matter how fast our DL's are without an upload to match it... those speeds are kinda pointless

"HSPA+ *IS NOT* HSUPA. ...
HSPA+ isn't enabled because"
Well, my phone shows "H+" up top, indicating it is enabled in this area. But AT&T has some clever ideas about hardware deployment. When I called to ask about some problems last year the rep said "Oh, I see there are a number of degraded towers in your area, that could be the problem." "Is there anything else I can help you with today?"
I said "Yes, can you give me Verizon's number? I'd like to ask them how there towers are." <WEG>
Hey, I know one's no better than the other in the big picture. But lord, does the FTC need to make the cellcos ALL COME CLEAN and stop the lies.

Apparently the H+ doesn't necessarily signify HSPA+. Covers 3G and their "4G".
"Question:
What is this "H+" icon on my phone's screen?
Answer:
The "H+" icon is a network indicator. When present, it lets you know that your phone is operating on our 3G or 4G network (where available). "
"Question:
How will I know if I'm on the 4G network vs. your 3G network? Is there any visual indicator on the phone's screen itself?
Answer:
While there is no visual indicator on the phone's screen that differentiates the difference between 3G and 4G data speeds, when experiencing 4G speeds your videos and streaming movies will download/play even faster, web sites will load even faster, and large files will download faster. "
"Question:
Will that "H+" icon ever change to something else? If so, what other icons might I expect to see and what do they mean?
Answer:
The H+ icon will remain lit while connected to either our 3G mobile broadband or 4G network (where available). Should you travel outside of those coverage areas and/or experience extreme network congestion, the icon may display EDGE or E while on our 2G data network or, in some instances, it will display GSM. "

Att rep for our company confirmed that they are working together with verizon to "pull the trigger" on 4g running at full throttle within the next couple of weeks. He showed me some emails and charts showing that they have installed verizon's hardware in their towers and are debugging it now. I did not see that "partnership" coming at all to be honest lol Keeping fingers crossed ))

Hawk375 said:
Apparently the H+ doesn't necessarily signify HSPA+. Covers 3G and their "4G".
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I noticed this up here after doing this MOD. Before the mod the notification bar only showed H+ all of the time. Now it bounced between 3G and H (not sure about H+). I am assuming the display I am getting now is correct.

hotleadsingerguy said:
HSPA+ *IS NOT* HSUPA. They're separate services. When AT&T enables HSPA+ across the country they'll also most likely send out a patch to enable HSUPA on the devices. Settle down on the conspiracy theories.
HSPA+ isn't enabled because the system isn't finished. We *all* knew this. When it is (in the next month or 2, most likely) they'll enable it and you'll see the difference overnight. My dad's worked for AT&T for 42 years as a repair tech (one of the 2 in this state that upgrade a majority of the HSPA+ and LTE hardware) and said the rough estimate looks like late March or very early April for HSPA+ and LTE in fall.
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Okay that makes sense but why is it though that other devices like my unlocked streak or nexus one get much higher upload speeds than the atrix? Is it something in their rom that is allowing them to get good upload and the atrix rom not allowing it to? Trying to make sense of it all.
Dell Streak powered by Streakdroid 1.8.1

Video with proof
It's obvious to everyone now, but I made a video that can easily be shown to anyone who doesn't believe the ATRIX has slower speeds than something like the iPhone.
Show this to AT&T and then they'll shut their mouth about "possibly a defective device."
www[dot]youtube[dot]com/watch?v=X5YMJT08N64&hd=1
I'm sick of this bs. Why cant this company live up to their promises?

the atrix isn't even an HSPA+ device, it has an HSDPA cat 10 modem...

The Atrix is supposed to have the HSPA+ transceiver in it. Whether it is disabled or does not work because the network blocks access since HSPA+ is not fully deployed is a question heavily discussed in other threads in these forums. However, you should realize the LTE requires a different transceiver, which reviews have indicated the Atrix does not have.
So even if LTE is deployed this fall, the best the Atrix will be able to do is HSPA+, not LTE. Supposedly, LTE-capable smartphones are supposed to be announced this summer sometime.
Wanna wait?

wrayrb said:
So even if LTE is deployed this fall, the best the Atrix will be able to do is HSPA+, not LTE. Supposedly, LTE-capable smartphones are supposed to be announced this summer sometime.
Wanna wait?
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Yes, when I see the disaster with Verizon's first LTE phone the HTC Thunderbolt (still not released)....I wanna wait even a bit longer.....I don't wanna be the guinea pig for AT&T.

[Q] Can I get 3G+ on ATT Focus?

I've done the whole diagnosis tweaking (release 6) and pretty much all of the other tweaks I've found in these very helpful threads.
But my download and upload speeds are atrocious. 80-150 kbs mostly. I ALWAYS have a 3g signal. I'm located in Boston and before this I had a Tilt2, which data speeds avg. 2000 - 3500 kbs.
Could it be my sim card? it is like 3-4 years old. Just a thought, because really i have no idea.
I am a novice when it comes to this type of tweaking. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thx

The specs indicate that the Focus is only capable of HSPA (HSDPA and HSUPA), not HSPA+.
Michael.

ouch, that hurts....8(
Thanks for the quick reply...much appreciated

But your Focus should still be able to match the speed of your Tilt2 which is HSPA as well (but with HSUPA disabled). The real world experience really depends where you are and how many AT&T customers are on the same tower as you. I routinely get about 100kbps speed (download) on my various 3G smart phones as well here in nation's capital.
On the other hand, a lot of ppl who bought the new '4G' HSPA+ AT&T phones (Inspire 4G and Atrix 4G) are also rarely ever get HSPA+ speed at all. Those so called 4G phones also comes with HSUPA disabled.
So, in the end, it is the same crappy AT&T network that limits your connection speed, really doesn't matter what phone you have. I'll be happy if I can reach the full 3G speed (2 to 3 mbps down, 1mbps up) in next few years. And refuse to play the AT&T '4G' game.

You should get a new sim card considering it is 3-4 years old that will affect connectivity to 3g and hspa network..
Boston network shouldn't be a problem.
Samsung Focus At&t USA

I had the same problem when I had an old SIM card in my att fuze when trying to connect to 3g and hspa speed networks...rule of thumb is buy a new SIM when switching to a new phone....it also depends on what network your on...are you at&t?
Samsung Focus At&t USA

Yes, I am currently on Att network. Which I must say was really reliable and fast, up until the last few months...
And I will get a new sim card after work today or early tomorrow. I will let you know if that helps at all.
Thanks peeps 8)

Jcavz said:
I've done the whole diagnosis tweaking (release 6) and pretty much all of the other tweaks I've found in these very helpful threads.
But my download and upload speeds are atrocious. 80-150 kbs mostly. I ALWAYS have a 3g signal. I'm located in Boston and before this I had a Tilt2, which data speeds avg. 2000 - 3500 kbs.
Could it be my sim card? it is like 3-4 years old. Just a thought, because really i have no idea.
I am a novice when it comes to this type of tweaking. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thx
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Samsung Focus unlocked I get 3G+ in EU, if that helps. Seemed pretty fast, but I haven't done a speed test, though.

Usually I unlock my phone as soon as I get it home. With a bunch of unknowns with the Focus, I'm waiting it out right now before I do anything
So My phone is still locked 8)
Thanks for the help

I got 3G+ icoon with Rogers ROM, but not with AT&T ROM. And there's tool which can enable 3G+ icon, so I think it's just a registry issue.

3g+
I also get 3G+ with a Rogers sim card in my Focus, same card in the BB only 3G.

Is it possible to check whether this is just graphic, or there is a real difference in d/u speeds? I am using AT&T Focus in Europe.

You can check real speed with speediest.net to differentiate whether its gfx only or real network.

rrmcco said:
I also get 3G+ with a Rogers sim card in my Focus, same card in the BB only 3G.
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I'd love to hear what results you get if you test out the download/upload speeds. Like others have said you can use speedtest.net or there's a pretty good app called Bandwidth that I use.
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I'm getting a Focus and will unlock it to use on T-Mobile. What's the highest speed I can get? Thanks.

ikingblack said:
I'm getting a Focus and will unlock it to use on T-Mobile. What's the highest speed I can get? Thanks.
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7.2 mbps download

siralex241 said:
7.2 mbps download
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tmobile's edge network is that fast?

minori_aoi said:
I got 3G+ icoon with Rogers ROM, but not with AT&T ROM. And there's tool which can enable 3G+ icon, so I think it's just a registry issue.
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Do you have a link to the tool that enables the 3G+ icon

baritoneguy said:
Do you have a link to the tool that enables the 3G+ icon
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minori_aoi said:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Connectivity\CellularUx\DataConnectionIcon
1XHSDPA = "3G+"
You can basically change it into anything (3 chars max.). And I prefer "H", instead of "3G+".
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My original post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=17018543&postcount=6

[Q] N9005 on AT&T and HSPA+ only getting 0.62Mbps down

I just got an n9005 and while I understood it would not be 4G I expected HSPA+ at around 6 or 7Mbps which to be fair is about all my previous SIII 4G phone from AT&T would get, but when I swapped out the card, and entered the APN I can get now get HSPA+, but only at 0.62Mbps down and 0.6Mbps up, which well is not really worth it, I really do not want to switch phones, what a waste, and I understand HSPA+ it should be able to do 6+, yet I'm not seeing any close to that. I'm in NY City so signal is no issue, just can not work out why I have no speed at all on the N9005 unit.
Thanks,
ERIC

How old is your SIMcard? This is usually an Old SIM meets New Phone problem.

egandt said:
I just got an n9005 and while I understood it would not be 4G I expected HSPA+ at around 6 or 7Mbps which to be fair is about all my previous SIII 4G phone from AT&T would get, but when I swapped out the card, and entered the APN I can get now get HSPA+, but only at 0.62Mbps down and 0.6Mbps up, which well is not really worth it, I really do not want to switch phones, what a waste, and I understand HSPA+ it should be able to do 6+, yet I'm not seeing any close to that. I'm in NY City so signal is no issue, just can not work out why I have no speed at all on the N9005 unit.
Thanks,
ERIC
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What is the HSPA+ speed on your previous S3?
It may be due to the heavy traffic on your network. Try to test on another time (late night) or another location?
You can also complain with you service provider for the issue. Other users may also face with the problem as you.

SIM is only a year old. As for the old phone it gets 3Mbps+ .
I will try late tonight to see what happens.
Thanks,
ERIC