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Should we be thinking of ways to get rid of it?

-No win7 support , although even though our hardware if far supperior to the win 7 devices currently
-horrific support (HTC has to be nobel price winning at sucky support)
-battery life is amazingly bad..some members here report success with alternative chinese batterie types, but come on we paid our bottoms off for the thing we shouldnt have to bleed our eyes out on 3rd party web merchant pages
-its being discussed that we are not even going to get 6.5.3 or 6.5.5 upgrades even though omnia II and toshiba models will(or have dunno)
-millions of buggs that shouldnt be there in the first place
-lack of supported apps
-overpriced marketplace
Such a mixed feeling..I truly and deeply love the device i hold in my palm as i write this..but its like i am holding the hand of a relative in a hospital dieing..is truly HTC gonna give away the future of such a brilliant phone?have we payed 50% more of the value of the competitor's phone(iphone) price and go nowhere (while they get their free os 4 upgrade) ? i feel so decieved..i even got to thinking ways i could cheat for my warranty to get my money back..
-edit : forgot the 250ms sound delay woe issue (one of the reasons we bought this cursed phone was to watch movies in its perfect screen dammit)

You got what you paid for, the hardware is already surpassed by the Evo 4G, in a few months time it will be even farther behind, such is the way of tech. WP7 was never promised, only speculated so that is not a valid argument.
Your other reasons are otherwise sound to varying extents, but at the end of the day this is still a fantastic device, so no, I dont think anyone who bought the device and is happy should be looking for ways to get rid of it. If you dont like it, return it or sell it but it works very well for a large number of us.

So that the fact that they do not even care enough to upgrade it to something as idioticaly as simple as 6.5.3 version (hich like 40 roms in here have) doesnt make u feel they are throwing the phone support (that made me laugh) away?
And no, i do not get what i paid for..i paid nearly 800$ for this..no not even marginaly close to it.

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So that the fact that they do not even care enough to upgrade it to something as idioticaly as simple as 6.5.3 version (hich like 40 roms in here have) doesnt make u feel they are throwing the phone support (that made me laugh) away?
And no, i do not get what i paid for..i paid nearly 800$ for this..no not even marginaly close to it.
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No, I agree totally with your view of HTC support, I actually think they are the worst phone manufacturer among WM OEM's, contrary to what everyone else thinks because they like the eye-candy of Sense, which I think is utter bug-ridden rubbish.
HTC has the HD Mini out now, you would think they would be releasing 6.5.3 updates for all their phones, especially the HD2, but this is typical HTC, once a device is released the normal support life cycle is 6 months, then we are left to our own devices while they work on the next device. In the current climate, HTC is apparently focusing entirely on their android phones, so we WM users are left to look on and lament our lack of updates.
As for getting what you paid for, I guess we will have to disagree, I never expected HTC to provide an update to 6.5.3, knowing their past history and considering they never announced it. I knew I could only count on the OS they shipped the device with, and anything above that would likely come from Xda.
You have a great device there, the hardware is top notch and capable of outstanding performance, just dont look to HTC for any kind of realistic support. Xda is your friend and will give better support and performance enhancements than HTC ever has.

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-No win7 support , although even though our hardware if far supperior to the win 7 devices currently
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Win7 was *never* officially an option, only rumour. Do you buy things due to hearsay? Theres an iPhone for that.
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-horrific support (HTC has to be nobel price winning at sucky support)
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Never needed this so cannot comment - think of that what you will
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-battery life is amazingly bad..some members here report success with alternative chinese batterie types, but come on we paid our bottoms off for the thing we shouldnt have to bleed our eyes out on 3rd party web merchant pages
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I have the standard battery, it lasts between 1.5 and 3 days. Thats better than my Nokia E90 and my N80 ever was.
Not to mention the fact I have 3 email accounts checking every 15 - 30 minutes, Windows Live (hotmail in the background), at least 30 mins 3G browsing, some light games and texts + calls.
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-its being discussed that we are not even going to get 6.5.3 or 6.5.5 upgrades even though omnia II and toshiba models will(or have dunno)
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"(or have dunno)" proves that you are yet again working on rumour, why not do some research before slagging things off, eh?
Have you actually used 6.5.x? What did you think of it? How much advantage will it give you over 6.5?
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-millions of buggs that shouldnt be there in the first place
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*any* complex system will have bugs, its a given. It needs to support several hundreds of different device configurations, 3rd party applications and different personalised configs. How many bugs does Linux have, for instance?
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-lack of supported apps
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How many supported apps does the iPhone have in amongst the thousands of crap free ones?
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-overpriced marketplace
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Welcome to Microsoft.
chris2busy said:
Such a mixed feeling..I truly and deeply love the device i hold in my palm as i write this..but its like i am holding the hand of a relative in a hospital dieing..is truly HTC gonna give away the future of such a brilliant phone?have we payed 50% more of the value of the competitor's phone(iphone) price and go nowhere (while they get their free os 4 upgrade) ? i feel so decieved..i even got to thinking ways i could cheat for my warranty to get my money back..
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You seem to be stuck in a mindset which goes against that of technological advancements over the last, say, 50 years.
The computer you buy tomorrow was out of date last week, that surround sound system you've got, that's been surpassed several times since you bought it.
You do realise that the iPhone OS upgrade was to insert features that most phone companies have been producing lines of phones with for almost a decade?
Cut and Paste for instance, was first used (in a computer sense) in a Xerox environment in the 1960s, Apple's iPhone was announced in 2007. It didn't support it until an OS upgrade. The first Windows PocketPCs in the mid/late nineties had it as standard.
The iPhone's hardware is 50% of the capacity of the HD2, maybe you did get what you paid for?

Ur point seems truly valid, but dammit thats not what i signed up for..(even though it was contract reneweal bonubs 650$ bonus to get new phone) this is no way to treat a heavily paying customer..and i am not obligated to know the tradition of customer handling of each company each time i buy a phone..i know the phone is amazing , but its dead..truly dead..and mark my words when in a couple months the new candies come to surface no1 in xda will care to develop roms in this long dead phone....at least those 800$ taught me 1 thing i guess ..never buy anything from htc again

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.i know the phone is amazing , but its dead..truly dead..and mark my words when in a couple months the new candies come to surface no1 in xda will care to develop roms in this long dead phone....
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You have seen the various forums on xda supporting WinMo5 devices,haven't you?

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You have seen the various forums on xda supporting WinMo5 devices,haven't you?
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u still cant tell its not unofficial support thats my problem?really?

chris2busy said:
Ur point seems truly valid, but dammit thats not what i signed up for..(even though it was contract reneweal bonubs 650$ bonus to get new phone) this is no way to treat a heavily paying customer..and i am not obligated to know the tradition of customer handling of each company each time i buy a phone..i know the phone is amazing , but its dead..truly dead..and mark my words when in a couple months the new candies come to surface no1 in xda will care to develop roms in this long dead phone....at least those 800$ taught me 1 thing i guess ..never buy anything from htc again
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The HD2 is far from dead.... there will be people making roms and writing apps for it for years still. It's gonna be known as the last great WinMobile phone. It will remain as the best WinMobile 6.5 device, and for that fact, I think it will last longer than most phones do.
There are still people supporting phones from 5 years ago on these forums.
What is it that you signed up for? Nothing was promised for this phone other than what came with it. HTCs customer service sucks, but they make some great devices, and with them we get XDA support here! Thats much better than the support any other oem gives, imo.

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u still cant tell its not unofficial support thats my problem?really?
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But you specifically mentioned XDA developing ROMs, now you're complaining about official support?

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But you specifically mentioned XDA developing ROMs, now you're complaining about official support?
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this was a comment because imho past devices were not as promising as the imminent are..nevertheless my problem is that i the services that came with my purchase feel like being molested..absolutely no future in it from the developer's end..i really dont know if its that typical of HTC to manage in that manner, and if it is is till do not know why this company still exist.

Got what I wanted!
I researched for months, got what I wanted, & what they said it had! Runs smooth, no bugs,"except audio booster" Would not trade for wm7, don't like how it will hold you down. I also pd alot for mine!! But I'm still sooooo happy. Love it. Sounds like you need to trade every month to try to keep up? Quig

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I paid nearly 800$ for this..no not even marginaly close to it.
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They must have seen you coming!!!

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I researched for months, got what I wanted, & what they said it had! Runs smooth, no bugs,"except audio booster" Would not trade for wm7, don't like how it will hold you down. I also pd alot for mine!! But I'm still sooooo happy. Love it. Sounds like you need to trade every month to try to keep up? Quig
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well i am happy for you in all honesty..but i ,as hundrends of other members in here still have mega issues like lip sync or ufo like battery drain that even manifacturer cant identify, sms problems, music playback lags, incredible bluetooth battery drains sluggish video recording and many more..and thats the second hd2 i get after warranty return.

chris2busy said:
well i am happy for you in all honesty..but i ,as hundrends of other members in here still have mega issues like lip sync or ufo like battery drain that even manifacturer cant identify, sms problems, music playback lags, incredible bluetooth battery drains sluggish video recording and many more..and thats the second hd2 i get after warranty return.
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Issues mentioned in forums are negatively biased. People with problems are more likely to come here and post their problems as opposed to the many people who are not having problems.
Secondly, if you want to troll, do it on MySpace. April 2010 join date, seriously? If you don't like your phone, sell it and be done with it. Stop whining because you didn't have the common sense to read the labels on what exactly HTC is selling in the HD2. HTC is a phone manufacturer. Ergo, their job is to keep selling phones, even if it means phasing out past models. If you do not agree with this business strategy, go with another company that suits your needs.

How many 1000's are in use?
You have to realize how many of the hd2's are in use! I wish someone would count the number of people on these forums that are having problems, since they come here to get fixes. Not too many people go to forums, if everything is working ok. We have over 7000 members on htchd2forum.com the % is pretty clear, most are great!! Think about it,"if your car runs ok, do you go to dealer & tell them? If it is giving you trouble ,you call,complain, go in, get it fixed? HUH? wierd concept!! Sorry, got going,, I like this phone better than anything I've ever had!! But that is"me" not "you"! Goodluck,,Quig

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Issues mentioned in forums are negatively biased. People with problems are more likely to come here and post their problems as opposed to the many people who are not having problems.
Secondly, if you want to troll, do it on MySpace. April 2010 join date, seriously? If you don't like your phone, sell it and be done with it. Stop whining because you didn't have the common sense to read the labels on what exactly HTC is selling in the HD2. HTC is a phone manufacturer. Ergo, their job is to keep selling phones, even if it means phasing out past models. If you do not agree with this business strategy, go with another company that suits your needs.
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I GUESS I really didnt know the HTC way of thinking...apple and android seem to get it a lot different..although they state 6.x phone support is not halted it indeed is..no upgrades,no updates,no nothing...i guess i should start flashing or im stuck with the ton of problems bundled in my handheld

I dont see the point in making these kind of thread. What will u get from these?
If u have problem, then try to search and solve it.
If u dont like the phone, then try to sell it.
Is it easier to feel better than making these threads and have most of people tell that u wrong here?
As far as I see, most of people who complain about their devices are people who just joined in to ask and complain. They messed up with their phone then try to get people to help them fix it. This phone is just amazing and works out of the box.
Let's compare the ones that have problems with the ones that dont, who only focus on flashing and trying roms. Maybe at a rate of 100 and 10000?

Hey guys!
I think chris2busy actaully does like the phone, but he is probably just really fustrated with the lack of support. I mean, usually, wouldnt it make sense that if you had issues with a certain product you have purchased from a certain company, then u should get all the support from them(Mostly). But for me, this forum is my support.
Also, I too agree with the point that why on earth,after paying so much money, do we have to rely on third party apps to tackle issues that shouldnt really be there in the first place? I mean, why doesnt it just simply work right out of the box? Dont get me wrong, i love customising my phone, but these customisations should really be for "customising" our phones with what suites us & looks good in our eyes....not to fix issues that HTC/WinMo shouldve done. I still love my HD2 but these are just some things we ALL couldve done without......
Finally, No, we shouldnt be thinking of getting rid of this phone as its "Kick Ass!"
(watched the movie last night, so still in that mood!)

I do not like this moaning and groaning, It has been posted recently that it takes time to know your new device. If you're not willing to spend that time, then stop harrassing us/this forum with your "complaints". By the way: what's the point of your post anyway?

The best of the top Android phones

I'm not sure how many people have seen this or not: http://synapse-phones.com/order.php
I think that if everything worked correct on it, this would be AWESOME. Granted you are paying full price for the phone.

I do like this concept a lot, but i'm not sure how well it will actually work. We'll see when they start shipping in 2011. If the reviews are good hopefully they will get a lot of business and be able to offer super fast processors, OLED or better screens, and up to 5" in the future. It's like building the phone of your dreams.

I agree this is awesome. Would be great of more people started doing this, like HTC. That would be the shiznit.

That is a great idea, Im interested to see this in person.

That is some pretty slick hardware. Being able to customize based on your needs would be very cool.

won't work with sprint or verizon =/

this will be the norm in 24 to 48 months. mark it down that i said it. phones are already all identical itll be cheaper just to do it this way, higher profit margin for companies.

I said in another post a few weeks back that I bet that will be the future in smartphones, build them with universal upgradeable swapable parts like a computer, only smaller.

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I said in another post a few weeks back that I bet that will be the future in smartphones, build them with universal upgradeable swapable parts like a computer, only smaller.
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exactly... my kids will say whats a pc, cause were just gonna hook up our pad or phone to a hdmi cord and grab our keyboard and off we go

edit: never mind, I can't read.
Anyways, no CDMA option for Sprint yet but interestingly enough there is one for WiMax.

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I said in another post a few weeks back that I bet that will be the future in smartphones, build them with universal upgradeable swapable parts like a computer, only smaller.
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Just got to get the carriers out of the game, which isn't likely to happen very soon.
Apple is the only company to distribute a phone that doesn't get manipulated and locked down by the carriers, which is really more a testament to Apple's own locking.
Carriers need to get back to providing the service and keep their hands off the phones.

Would you buy a NEW Nexus S for $395.10?

I'm a proud Vibrant owner, rooted with Nero 4.1 & Voodo. I have a 16gb external SD card filled with personal files, music, and movies. I purchased my Vibrant for a little over $450 at T-Mobile and spent exrta money on a 16gb SD card, and a protective cover.
Today (01/14/2010), I can go to Best Buy and use a special 'Buy Back' program and they will give me $165 for my Vibrant on a in-store gift card. I can then turn around and purchase a Nexus S with it.
Nexus S is $529.99 - $165.00 = $364.99 + %8.29 (Sales Tax) = $395.10
Knowing how close the Nexus S is to the Vibrant, would you shell out 400 clams for the 'Pure Google Experience'? Whats your take? I have an idea, but why should I buy something that my rooted Vibrant can do except a FFC?? Opinions?
The Nexus S doesn't even have an external SD slot.

Yes you getting google updates but you are missing the sd slot. Thats a total buzzkill for me.
Im just going to continue supporting the dev's here at xda and maybe be brave and install the ffc.

not unless the money was burning a hole in my pocket
they're practically the same phone. not worth it imo

At the time I bought the Vibrant the only real difference between it and others in its class was the up to 48 gigs of storage (16 internal, up to 32 external). Save your money you have a great phone, thanks in large part to the devs here. We'll have Gingerbread soon.
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Absolutely not.
You're basically getting 30% of the total value of the phone. The vibrant, even without the updates, is still worth more then $165.
The nexus S is definitely worth $400, but if your giving up a device thats worth more then $165 to get the $400 price tag, nuh uh. Don't do it. Not worth it at all.

you could get more $$ in here in the marketplace....a then use that money to buy any other phone you want...

Not at all. It just doesn't feel like the additions to the S make it any better than a rooted Vibrant especially with the loss of the SD slot.

Never, don't ever purchase anything made by samsung, even if the software is controlled by google, the answer is no no no no no!
Let google learn a lesson too, maybe in the future they will choose another hardware manufacturor.

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Never, don't ever purchase anything made by samsung, even if the software is controlled by google, the answer is no no no no no!
Let google learn a lesson too, maybe in the future they will choose another hardware manufacturor.
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I agree with everyone about the bad marketing decisions Samsung is taking. Which explains how every Galaxy S series phones throughout the world received Froyo except for the 4 sim-lock carriers in the US.
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Respectfully, I disagree with you about the Nexus S. Even though the hardware is from Samsung (which NO other phone out there can beat the Super AMOLED screen). Google has already sent an update to the Nexus S to 2.3.1. Owning a Google phone like the Nexus S is guaranteeing Android updates.

the nexus s is already outdated
wait for more dual core 4g phones coming out this quarter

No. My next phone will have a dual core processor.

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the nexus s is already outdated
wait for more dual core 4g phones coming out this quarter
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DITTO on that! Except I heard that dual core is a drain on the battery. We don't have battery technology as of yet to give a substantial user experience to last as long as what superphones do now.

Stick with your Vibrant or sell it on Craigslist or Ebay or something, but getting $165 for it is a complete rip-off.

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the nexus s is already outdated
wait for more dual core 4g phones coming out this quarter
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have fun with manufacturer based skin and late OTAs (or OTAs not even happening)
.. your phone may not have the latest hardware specs, but it will always have the latest android version
its a matter of compromising latest hardware vs latest software

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have fun with manufacturer based skin and late OTAs (or OTAs not even happening)
.. your phone may not have the latest hardware specs, but it will always have the latest android version
its a matter of compromising latest hardware vs latest software
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can the nexus s even record HD video?
life won't end if you're not running the absolute latest OS. besides, that's what XDA is for... NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT GPS
in the end, the technology advances so quickly, no matter what you buy you will have buyer's remorse within six months. phones are evolving at a faster pace right now than PCs did a few years back

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can the nexus s even record HD video?
life won't end if you're not running the absolute latest OS. besides, that's what XDA is for... NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT GPS
in the end, the technology advances so quickly, no matter what you buy you will have buyer's remorse within six months. phones are evolving at a faster pace right now than PCs did a few years back
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it doesnt matter if rooted ROMs are available, what matters is that Samsung isn't open sourcing the kernel for 2.2.
Open sourced kernels allows development to move even further. OC'd kernels for the Vibrant are based off the I9000 kernel, which results into poor battery life.
Also, all ROMs built for the Vibrant are pretty much using the base of TouchWiz. Now im not complaining about TouchWiz, I do like a lot of the aspects from it. The Power Widget on the notification bar was a great start; but the fact is that Samsung is not reliable when it comes to software updates. The one plus with TouchWiz is the video codecs.
The Nexus S is a unlocked bootloader from the very beginning with easy commands to unlock and lock it. It is made in mind that its a device primarily made to be hacked with. It is backed by Google.
Not to mention.. the Nexus S at this point has more love from CyanogenMod than the Vibrant. The Vibrant and Galaxy S series dev community is too split between each other. The Nexus S is the same in the UK and USA, therefore.. it allows further collaboration with each other.
In the end, it really depends what you want. What can you fight against? hardware or software? Since most of us are tight on cash, im sure a lot of us would lean towards software. In this case, the Nexus series would be the winner since it is backed by Google (or any device that is supported by CyanogenMod).
And dont even start with HD recording.. OH MY! we all have to realize that a phone has its limitations. If you're looking to take pictures or do a lot of video recording, just do yourself a favor and get a dedicated camera.... not to mention with TouchWiz, have fun taking HD recording for a long period of time... when it hits the 15% mark, have fun recording or taking pictures buddy
life won't end if you're not running the absolute latest OS. besides, that's what XDA is for... NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT GPS
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Oh really....? Tell that to the people who are filing lawsuits and enraging because Samsung isnt releasing a 2.2 OTA.... OH WAIT?! we have rooted ROMs with 2.2... does that justify the idea that they aren't doing OTAs to maintain their products? But instead to just release new ones without committing to their current products?
Go tell that to people who stuck a two-year contract with a MOTOROLA CLIQ, Droid Eris, and all those phones that the manufacturer didnt commit to upgrading their existing phones. The reason why there aren't more people who are furious about this is because they aren't tech savvy and just care about the phone working.

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In the end, it really depends what you want. What can you fight against? hardware or software? Since most of us are tight on cash, im sure a lot of us would lean towards software. In this case, the Nexus series would be the winner since it is backed by Google (or any device that is supported by CyanogenMod).
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i want a fast phone that works. i have that.
And dont even start with HD recording.. OH MY! we all have to realize that a phone has its limitations. If you're looking to take pictures or do a lot of video recording, just do yourself a favor and get a dedicated camera.... not to mention with TouchWiz, have fun taking HD recording for a long period of time... when it hits the 15% mark, have fun recording or taking pictures buddy
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lol @ the "it's not a feature until we get it" mindset. iphone much?
my battery never gets down to 15% anyway, because nero is awesome on battery life
Oh really....? Tell that to the people who are filing lawsuits and enraging because Samsung isnt releasing a 2.2 OTA.... OH WAIT?! we have rooted ROMs with 2.2... does that justify the idea that they aren't doing OTAs to maintain their products? But instead to just release new ones without committing to their current products?
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i understand the anger towards samsung, and it's completely valid. however, if you want it done right you have to do it yourself. xda has allowed that for many many people. lawsuits and complaints about manufacturers might as well fall on deaf ears, because nothing will happen around here because of that
Go tell that to people who stuck a two-year contract with a MOTOROLA CLIQ, Droid Eris, and all those phones that the manufacturer didnt commit to upgrading their existing phones. The reason why there aren't more people who are furious about this is because they aren't tech savvy and just care about the phone working.
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i would tell those people to do their research before making such a large purchase. i knew full well samsung's history when i bought my vibrant. i knew there might be a good chance they'd jerk consumers around and delay updates. if i was running stock, i would be furious... but i bought an android phone full well knowing that i would be modding it... a lot.
lastly, team whiskey > cyanogenmod

Nope..
I will not buy anything else made by Samsung. Back in the 80's / 90's they built the absolute best quality products with great support. I've been fighting with my GPS for too long and they didn't make it right. There was going to be a 2.2 update in August and it still hasn't happend (except for the great XDA devs). My first Android device was a HTC (g1) and my next one will be as well.

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i want a fast phone that works. i have that.
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It's not all about you. People have their different reasons for having phones:
1) Flash Addict: Always wanting something to flash. With a developer phone like Nexus S (or any other phone that is popular in the modding community)
2) Normal user
.. and so forth. All ROMs in general has one thing in mind: increasing its speed.
lol @ the "it's not a feature until we get it" mindset. iphone much?
my battery never gets down to 15% anyway, because nero is awesome on battery life
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Again.. this is not all about you at all. Some people are more heavy users when it comes to battery than others. Nevertheless, the 15% mark is annoying and should be removed. Hacked camera.apk does this but not incorporated in all Vibrant ROMs.
i understand the anger towards samsung, and it's completely valid. however, if you want it done right you have to do it yourself. xda has allowed that for many many people. lawsuits and complaints about manufacturers might as well fall on deaf ears, because nothing will happen around here because of that
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What you said makes absolutely no sense. Grammar check. I personally don't care about Samsung not updating to 2.2 because I don't use a Vibrant anymore, but I still have the phone.
All your points aren't even valid. You're just trying to start a war without pointing out what I said but going AROUND them because you can't defeat my points.
My point is that it just depends on what kind of person you are. And you can say whatever your opinion is about CyanogenMod and Team Whiskey, you just seem like a ignorant individual who is difficult to argue with because they are so close minded. They're both composed of great developers but the additions that CyanogenMod includes is just too significant to add. Am I saying that you're wrong for believing what you do? No.. you have a opinion, I'm not going to try and beg you to change your mind.
CyanogenMod actually complies from AOSP source whereas Team Whiskey base their ROMs from the OTA. You wouldn't understand this since you don't use a phone that is CyanogenMod supported (don't even start with G1.. that phone is so outdated that it isn't even capable of taking full advantage of CM7).
I'm sure when CM7 stable is released, TW will start basing their releases off CM7. And you know what? It is built on top of CM7... so whos the better team then? I'm not going to go for one particular side because a developer is a developer. They aren't in this to get any accreditation from the community. They just do it as a hobby. Quit thinking that CyanogenMod & TW are like the rivalry between NVIDIA & AMD/ATI.
Thanks.

Is $300 to $350 worth it for a 32gig xoom with new tablets coming.

I'm looking for a tablet and I see three xooms near me. One of them for $400 new, another $350 used and one for $300 used. Need advice.

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I'm looking for a tablet and I see three xooms near me. One of them for $400 new, another $350 used and one for $300 used. Need advice.
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Maybe if you prvide your location you will get better help? There was a special in Sydney yesterday for brand new Xoom for 298 AUD. If you are happy to wait I am sure by January next year all the tablets will come down in price.
K.

I was looking at the prime but i really don't want to spend $500. But I want ICS and there is no sure fire proof it will officially come to the xoom.

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I was looking at the prime but i really don't want to spend $500. But I want ICS and there is no sure fire proof it will officially come to the xoom.
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JBQ stated that it is coming to the Xoom soon. Motorola stated that it's coming to the Xoom, but no time frame given.
It's coming; we just don't know when. I estimate Late Jan - Mid February.

The latest AOSP release included files for the Xoom, just give it a week and it will be in here...
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I got dude that wanted $400 to drop it to $350 but I would rather pay $300 tops.

Keep an Eye on Woot. I picked up 2 wifi only's for $320 a pop in november.

Yeah they trying to get $400 when it's $369 on newegg

Get a Quad Core Transformer instead (I am not Hating, I have a 32GB WiFi Xoom), but GED has held this device back. Still can't Write or Delete the SD Card without a PC, while other Android Tablets have been doing this since the day they came out. Google is Super Slow in allowing us GED Xoom owners Full SD Card Access.

ghodzilla5150 said:
Get a Quad Core Transformer instead (I am not Hating, I have a 32GB WiFi Xoom), but GED has held this device back. Still can't Write or Delete the SD Card without a PC, while other Android Tablets have been doing this since the day they came out. Google is Super Slow in allowing us GED Xoom owners Full SD Card Access.
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*sighs* You can write to your SD card if you were willing to root. I personally bought my Xoom over a transformer, or galaxy tab or what have you because its a GED device. You know why? because I do not want bloat. I dont want touchwiz, I dont want sense, I dont want motoblur or any other modified interface. I wanted pure undiluted android with the lovely added bonus of being virtually unbrickable all while being unlocked.
I did not buy a xoom to remain at stock, I bought it to overclock it, to tweak it, To make the device MY device. As im sure a lot of other xoom owners did. This will probably sound harsh but it's not my intention; If you wanted to remain at stock, which seems obvious from your previous posts in another thread complaining about the very same issue your complaining about here, Then maybe you should have done your research and checked out competing tablets before making your purchase. I find i'm pretty happy with all my purchases because I do huge amounts of research to find the product that is right for me.
The xoom is an amazing device, We have a pretty amazing community here that will help you if need be, Thou I find most everything answered already. The developers we have are great. Team Tiamat for example make a flawless rom/kernel from my experience, limited as it may be. Its still great. I currently have mine with the moray 2.2.2 rom and odachi OC kernel and its extremely smooth, wonderful batterylife.. And relatively amazing. Being a GED device means its basically a developing template. You bought a GED device, because its a GED device and you're not taking advantage of the fact its a GED device. It takes longer to read the instructions on how to root then it does to actually do it. You will be MUCH happier with your purchase if you take advantage of what its capable of. Root it, rom it, kernel it. Do your research before trying, But if you do You will have a more plesant experience. You will be much more happier with your device. I personally used this thread and I can vouch for its accuracy http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1249798 if you don't like it. Then simply return it to stock and you're done. There are more benefits to rooting a device Then their are downsides from what I've read.
In response to OP's question. I paid the current price on newegg (370$) and even at that price I am very happy with my purchase. If I could find one for 300-350$ I would buy it in a heartbeat for my parents. Now keep in mind the 370$ price tag is for a RE CERTIFIED xoom, Mine came with stock everything in the box. No problems what so ever. Soo if you were going to pay 350 for a used one, Splurge for the extra 20 to get a re certified product. Its very much worth that price in my honest opinion.

You see, I bought the WiFi Xoom the day it came out because of PROMISES & HYPE. You are partially right. I should have waited for the Transformer (at least I would have a working SD Card Write/Delete from within). I just feel I SHOULD NOT have to go thru the Trouble of Rooting to get what the device should do out of the BOX. That's why GED "WAS" supposed to be so special. To me it isn't.
I feel we were duped and I personally will NEVER get another GED device EVER again. Actually GED is holding back the US Xoom's. A very talented Dev has said as much. If you have ever been on the Moto Community Forums, Gmanapps (who created SDCARDXD) has said as much, and he is VERY Talented and Smart (not to say you are not, I just respect what he has to say on the issue at hand). To me these EXPENSIVE Devices should work out-of-the-box as my Samsung Galaxy Player 5.0 does. I got tired of keeping up with Myn's Rom then Synergy. I jut want it to work Stock. There is NOTHING wrong with that, especially after the money we 1st Day Adopters paid for it.
Just my 2 Cents from a VERY Frustrated Consumer. When you Root, things go wrong and something ALWAYS gets FUBAR'd (like No 4G or Camera Not Working). No Thanks.

Ohhh, I can understand why you're so frustrated now. I learnt to always take promises and hypes with a grain of salt. Just because people will say whatever it takes to sale their product. I just about always wait until something has all its bugs and stuff worked out before buying it. So I can very much understand your point now.
I personally will buy a GED device again, but my reasoning is because its unlocked. I very much enjoy hacking things to do more then they should, It extends the life of a product for me. Means I have to replace it less often. Which is a huge plus for me because I can be kinda cheap haha. I originally started my "mobile" carrier, so to speak, with iOS, its the openness of android that attracted me so much. I hate not having control of my devices. So rooting for me, was part of the appeal. No disrespect taken Because I can understand your frustration. The devs on here know alot more then i do haha. Maybe it has held it back, But at the same time in my eyes it's helped because of it being unlocked, it allows for an easier time developing.
Things should work out of the box I will agree with that, they really should. People shouldn't have to create apps to allow a feature thats available on just about anything that includes an SD card. Sometimes things don't thou, and I guess it would be googles fault for it not doing so since updates do come through them. I guess its because the tablet is kinda like the nexus program, Devices with the pure unfiltered android experience. I guess even the flaws of that "unfiltered" experience come through as well. Personally though, I would much rather adapt and find a solution then be unhappy.
If you ever do decide to give rooting/roming (is that what you call it?) a go. Def use the guide i linked earlier for as long as its still valid. The only thing that would suck is backing up your data before the wipe that happens when you unlock.

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Just my 2 Cents from a VERY Frustrated Consumer. When you Root, things go wrong and something ALWAYS gets FUBAR'd (like No 4G or Camera Not Working). No Thanks.
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If you follow directions properly, most issues are avoided. And afaik, issues like no 4g or broken camera occur when you apply an unstable rom. Rooting simply gives you full control, that's all.

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Ohhh, I can understand why you're so frustrated now. I learnt to always take promises and hypes with a grain of salt. Just because people will say whatever it takes to sale their product. I just about always wait until something has all its bugs and stuff worked out before buying it. So I can very much understand your point now.
I personally will buy a GED device again, but my reasoning is because its unlocked. I very much enjoy hacking things to do more then they should, It extends the life of a product for me. Means I have to replace it less often. Which is a huge plus for me because I can be kinda cheap haha. I originally started my "mobile" carrier, so to speak, with iOS, its the openness of android that attracted me so much. I hate not having control of my devices. So rooting for me, was part of the appeal. No disrespect taken Because I can understand your frustration. The devs on here know alot more then i do haha. Maybe it has held it back, But at the same time in my eyes it's helped because of it being unlocked, it allows for an easier time developing.
Things should work out of the box I will agree with that, they really should. People shouldn't have to create apps to allow a feature thats available on just about anything that includes an SD card. Sometimes things don't thou, and I guess it would be googles fault for it not doing so since updates do come through them. I guess its because the tablet is kinda like the nexus program, Devices with the pure unfiltered android experience. I guess even the flaws of that "unfiltered" experience come through as well. Personally though, I would much rather adapt and find a solution then be unhappy.
If you ever do decide to give rooting/roming (is that what you call it?) a go. Def use the guide i linked earlier for as long as its still valid. The only thing that would suck is backing up your data before the wipe that happens when you unlock.
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You are a cool dude, Thanks for the help. I have Rooted before. My OG EVO had Myn's Warm 2.2 , then Synergy. So I am NOT a Noob to Rooting. I just don't feel like following the ROM to Death like before. It gets old. I guess I will just have to wait until Google gets off it's LAZY ASS and gives us ICS. HC works fine and as for me, the Playbook and Galaxy Player are all I need for now. I have no more need for tablets and what I have will suffice for a long time.

I personally thing if u find a xoom has better spec. then another 10' tablet. it has 4g, duel core, and used ranged from 300 dollar. Samsung makes good tablet but right now still not really match xoom in price range. Samung tablet plus price is like more then xoom. xoom is close or less then this tablet. Only think i would consider is the old samsung tab 7 inch. becasue:
Samsung tab 7" ( old )
1 core, 2gb + sd slot. 3g around 200-250 ( i got one on ebay 198)
Xoom
2 core 32 GB +sd slot 4G around 300-340 ( i got one on ebay. 310)
for 50-60 dollars more u get 4g and bigger screen and 1 core. Hope you understand.

its got the longest battery life among current tablets and its the only one that does dualband. I have no interest in buying a non GED device. I want to decide on my overlay and I want the first updates. Google's updates are far more featurefilled than anything Asus will offer you in their overlay, so picking a non GED product makes no sense for me. Ill get a new one either after nvidias next Gen processor comes out in a year or if Samsung makes something with that awesome flexible display concept design they made (YouTube the commercial, coolest thing I've ever seen). The tegra 2 is not yet outdated. Everyone's entitled to an opinion, though

i paid 240 for my xoom :]
got it used on craigslist

Just picked one up as well. 32gig Wifi for $300. Buyer also included dock and case. Cant complain about that. Now.. on to root

I wouldnt personally buy a xoom when the transformer prime is around the corner...

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I wouldnt personally buy a xoom when the transformer prime is around the corner...
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I bought a 4G LTE XOOM, knowing the Prime was around the corner... Mostly because I needed a tablet with its own dedicated data connection... Verizon has the best network and didn't want the Galaxy Tab or Xyboard. TP isn't coming out with mobile radios, so had to rule it out.

I feel like at&t doesn't actually want me to upgrade.

Lg Optimus G - Locked bootloader
Htc One X+ - Locked bootloader.
Galaxy note II - Out of my price/size range regardless of bootloader.
Xperia TL- Locked bootloader
Galaxy S3 - may grab but, not really thrilled about it like I would have been a few months back.
Nexus 4 - not paying 400$+ for 16 gb of memory and lack of LTE.
I really don't feel like I'm being *that* picky with what I want... Dev Support, better battery life than my captivate, a nice (preferably ips) screen. Either 32 gigs of memory or expandable storage.. and ideally LTE.
Anyone else out there feel kinda like they don't have any "real" options for their next device? I'm stuck on a family plan at the moment and feel like at&t is trolling me to be quite honest.

I feel the same here. I'm not upgrading anytime soon at all. My s2 should last me until I find a good fit for me.
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Shawn said:
I feel the same here. I'm not upgrading anytime soon at all. My s2 should last me until I find a good fit for me.
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It's a real shame too. There are a lot of nice phones being locked down for no real clear cut reason.
I mean I understand that they will sell regardless of whether or not I buy any given phone.. but, it just seems like a waste of their time/energy to lock up a phone when all it does is discourage users from upgrading.

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.. but, it just seems like a waste of their time/energy to lock up a phone when all it does is discourage users from upgrading.
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People like us are not the norm. Probably an iOS fart app has more downloads than the xda android app. The people who are being discouraged essentially don't exist to them.

post-mortem said:
People like us are not the norm. Probably an iOS fart app has more downloads than the xda android app. The people who are being discouraged essentially don't exist to them.
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While you are probably right on both accounts... I do think it's incredibly sad on all accounts.
They
A. spend money to lock down the bootloader. Even if it's not a lot it's still money.
B. Loose out on customers like me and you and the few who refuse to buy anything that won't get ROM updates for 2 years.
It's spending money to lose money for no real good reason. And while you're right, we don't exist to them in a lot of ways.. they still look for every possible way to get in our pocket and want every dime we have.

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While you are probably right on both accounts... I do think it's incredibly sad on all accounts.
They
A. spend money to lock down the bootloader. Even if it's not a lot it's still money.
B. Loose out on customers like me and you and the few who refuse to buy anything that won't get ROM updates for 2 years.
It's spending money to lose money for no real good reason. And while you're right, we don't exist to them in a lot of ways.. they still look for every possible way to get in our pocket and want every dime we have.
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A. is not necessarily true, because I'm pretty sure they hand out free phones to people who come in with their Android device "that just happened to shut off on them one day." Locking the bootloader cuts down on these numbers and saves them money in the long run.
Either way, AT&T has pretty much super phones from every major Android manufacterer, so you might want to take advantage of that. Also, the Galaxy S3 is a few months old - so what? Why is that impacting your decision on getting it? If I may, #firstworldproblems. I say go for it with incredible development support since that really appears to be the most open.
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Also not upgrading anytime soon, but for another reason. As it turns out, I went through 3 devices from sept 2011 thru 0ct 2012.
But yes, nothing coming out appeals to me. I fear the new nexus will be too massive for me, and I don't want any mfg/carrier controlled device.
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A. is not necessarily true, because I'm pretty sure they hand out free phones to people who come in with their Android device "that just happened to shut off on them one day." Locking the bootloader cuts down on these numbers and saves them money in the long run.
Either way, AT&T has pretty much super phones from every major Android manufacterer, so you might want to take advantage of that. Also, the Galaxy S3 is a few months old - so what? Why is that impacting your decision on getting it? If I may, #firstworldproblems. I say go for it with incredible development support since that really appears to be the most open.
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There are a number of phones out there that are incredibly hard to brick past the point of repair.
"Average Joe" is going to be scared off by the possibility of a voided warranty and having to do anything requiring any level of technical skill. I don't really think locking down the bootloader saves them nearly as much money as they would like to believe. People are either going to be scared off and not mess with it, or they are going to be angry at you for not fully supporting your phone in any way shape or form.
You also say AT&T has super phones from every major manufacturer, yet the only one you listed with an unlocked bootloader/ample dev support is the S3.. I hardly think that qualifies as a serious or decent selection of "super phones" to pick from. Unless you mean "they have a bunch of phones that will be dropped in terms of support after 6 months."
And you can #firstworldproblem all day long. You're on the internet. The fact that we are even discussing this on the internet means it's a pretty high chance of being a first world issue. Being completely blunt, if you were to argue it's not even a problem I wouldn't really disagree because, quite frankly it's a luxury device and not a lack of water needed for survival.
On the flip side, if you are going to choose to discuss an issue, why not keep it relevant? Even if it is non-existent in scale as far as problems go, we can still discuss whatever we want last I checked.

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Also not upgrading anytime soon, but for another reason. As it turns out, I went through 3 devices from sept 2011 thru 0ct 2012.
But yes, nothing coming out appeals to me. I fear the new nexus will be too massive for me, and I don't want any mfg/carrier controlled device.
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It's my understanding the new nexus will be about the same size as the Gnex or AFAIK it is.
I don't care if it has carrier branding, I just want the ability to install the latest version of Cyanogen until I'm eligible for a new device.

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There are a number of phones out there that are incredibly hard to brick past the point of repair.
"Average Joe" is going to be scared off by the possibility of a voided warranty and having to do anything requiring any level of technical skill. I don't really think locking down the bootloader saves them nearly as much money as they would like to believe. People are either going to be scared off and not mess with it, or they are going to be angry at you for not fully supporting your phone in any way shape or form.
You also say AT&T has super phones from every major manufacturer, yet the only one you listed with an unlocked bootloader/ample dev support is the S3.. I hardly think that qualifies as a serious or decent selection of "super phones" to pick from. Unless you mean "they have a bunch of phones that will be dropped in terms of support after 6 months."
And you can #firstworldproblem all day long. You're on the internet. The fact that we are even discussing this on the internet means it's a pretty high chance of being a first world issue. Being completely blunt, if you were to argue it's not even a problem I wouldn't really disagree because, quite frankly it's a luxury device and not a lack of water needed for survival.
On the flip side, if you are going to choose to discuss an issue, why not keep it relevant? Even if it is non-existent in scale as far as problems go, we can still discuss whatever we want last I checked.
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Dude.. please. Chillax. I'm not arguing with you, simply stating my thoughts. No need to get aggrivated
I'm letting you discuss... when did I say you couldn't.....? I have my $.02 too, though.
By the way, when I said #firstworldproblems it was meant as a joke, not as an insult. I have them too, you know
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Dude.. please. Chillax. I'm not arguing with you, simply stating my thoughts. No need to get aggrivated
I'm letting you discuss... when did I say you couldn't.....? I have my $.02 too, though.
By the way, when I said #firstworldproblems it was meant as a joke, not as an insult. I have them too, you know
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I am not aggro'd just discussing for the most part.
I more went off on a tanget and never reigned in the train of thought.

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I am not aggro'd just discussing for the most part.
I more went off on a tanget and never reigned in the train of thought.
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Sorry mate, it just seemed like you got angry at me.
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Sorry mate, it just seemed like you got angry at me.
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Oh no, I just have adhd tendencies like rambling.
At any rate, I am really hoping LG decides to throw out some way to unlock the bootloader. I'd really love to have a quad core device with an IPS display this time around.
I don't have anything against the SAMOLED displays but, I would personally prefer a sharper image to a more saturated image.

AT&T Atrix 4g user here...having a tough time deciding what to upgrade to as well. I've toyed with the idea of the One X and the SGS3 but neither excites me too much. Optimus G is very temping from a hardware perspective, but LG's lack of update support and a locked bootloader are a real put off. Will probably just end up grabbing an sgs3 because it will have the most rom support of any at&t phone.
I would prefer a nexus...but I just can't afford to spend $350+ on a phone.

My family plan on AT&T is breaking up. I've decided to go T mobile prepaid with the new Nexus, my dad, getting a job at US Cellular, will get a free plan there along with a $200 discount (he chose the S2) and my mom is sticking with AT&T for the iphone 5
Well good riddance, I had no service in various parts of school and at the local mall
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jhotmann said:
AT&T Atrix 4g user here...having a tough time deciding what to upgrade to as well. I've toyed with the idea of the One X and the SGS3 but neither excites me too much. Optimus G is very temping from a hardware perspective, but LG's lack of update support and a locked bootloader are a real put off. Will probably just end up grabbing an sgs3 because it will have the most rom support of any at&t phone.
I would prefer a nexus...but I just can't afford to spend $350+ on a phone.
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I would wait for a little while at least and see if the Optimus G gets an unlocked bootloader.. it would be godmode then. But, I have to wait till Dec 1st anyway.
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My family plan on AT&T is breaking up. I've decided to go T mobile prepaid with the new Nexus, my dad, getting a job at US Cellular, will get a free plan there along with a $200 discount (he chose the S2) and my mom is sticking with AT&T for the iphone 5
Well good riddance, I had no service in various parts of school and at the local mall
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Not entirely a bad thing.. Tmo has great selection of phones and AFAIK is a little more open with bootloaders and stuff.

I'm only getting the Nexus 4 because my current phone is pretty beaten and battered by now. (not to mention 2 years old)

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