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Hey guys,
Got a M2 recently...my camera quality is always grainy for some reason...I've tried to change settings but it's still grainy. Using stock camera app and I've tried in many different lighting conditions and still same result. Any ideas?
Not only your M2 takes grainy pictures, mine too. I think it's a common thing for our phones.
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Not only your M2 takes grainy pictures, mine too. I think it's a common thing for our phones.
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not exactly. what i observed from my experience of using smart phones (moto milestone 2, dell streak, xperia x1), these phones take pretty amazing outdoor shots where there is sufficient light.
the reason ur getting grainy pictures is because the pictures ur taking is probably taken indoors or where lighting is limited.
try taking a shot where u have ample sunlight and be amazed
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not exactly. what i observed from my experience of using smart phones (moto milestone 2, dell streak, xperia x1), these phones take pretty amazing outdoor shots where there is sufficient light.
the reason ur getting grainy pictures is because the pictures ur taking is probably taken indoors or where lighting is limited.
try taking a shot where u have ample sunlight and be amazed
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That is true. Just indoors is terrible quality. Outdoors it is.
MegaBubbletea said:
That is true. Just indoors is terrible quality. Outdoors it is.
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u could improve the lighting indoors; ie use brighter lights, or adjust the angle of the capture to minimize the effects of shadows. buts thats the best u can do. at the end of the day, its a monster of a smart phone, not a digital cam. i suppose its picture quality is good enough. ive seen worse on a HTC Mozart with a supposedly better cam
I see. That is pretty true.
Does anyone know if this could be "repaired" with a software update, because the outside picture really look great and I might think, that the bad-light-pictures do just look so bad because of wrong calibration or so.
Not really a software issue, while they could try and improve the denoise filter the image gets passed through, all digital cameras suffer the same issue.
All CCD/CMOS sensors suffer from grainy pictures when there is insufficient light unless you have control over shutter/iso settings which can alleviate it somewhat. (eg, digital cameras).
I think for what it does, it does it very well and more than sufficient for a phone! As stated in previous posts, if your indoor shots are grainy, try adding some more light to the subject.
One thing I did note with the camera was that, if you have your 'scene' set to 'Steady Shot' it greatly increases noise and other issues when indoors.
Shellite said:
Not really a software issue, while they could try and improve the denoise filter the image gets passed through, all digital cameras suffer the same issue.
All CCD/CMOS sensors suffer from grainy pictures when there is insufficient light unless you have control over shutter/iso settings which can alleviate it somewhat. (eg, digital cameras).
I think for what it does, it does it very well and more than sufficient for a phone! As stated in previous posts, if your indoor shots are grainy, try adding some more light to the subject.
One thing I did note with the camera was that, if you have your 'scene' set to 'Steady Shot' it greatly increases noise and other issues when indoors.
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Ok cool. That's handy to know.
I'm looking for switching from Lumia 920 to an Android phone with a good camera like the one in 920. I was close to getting a HTC One but I read horrible stories about purple fringing and so dropped that idea. Then I looked at HTC One X, but it seems to be an outdated phone and so dropped that plan too. All my friends have iPhone or Samsung and so I don't want to get them either.
Finally when I read the reviews for G2 it seemed to be the most perfect phone for me as it's said to have a nice camera, 5 inch display, Android and fast. On top of it AT&T has also promised an early free upgrade for G2. But when I read some of the threads here they talk about the camera being too slow and not good for indoor. I also read the thread about the Xdabbeb Mod and it seems promising but some folks in that same thread say that even after updating with that Mod the camera is still not that good.
So here I'm, so confused now knowing if I should get G2 or not. What's your opinion on G2's Camera? Again I'm looking for a decent camera that could take good pictures like my Lumia 920 whether indoor or outdoor. Any help is greatly appreciated.
(I'm sorry about the long post and for the wrong techy terms that I might have used here)
ratibars said:
I'm looking for switching from Lumia 920 to an Android phone with a good camera like the one in 920. I was close to getting a HTC One but I read horrible stories about purple fringing and so dropped that idea. Then I looked at HTC One X, but it seems to be an outdated phone and so dropped that plan too. All my friends have iPhone or Samsung and so I don't want to get them either.
Finally when I read the reviews for G2 it seemed to be the most perfect phone for me as it's said to have a nice camera, 5 inch display, Android and fast. On top of it AT&T has also promised an early free upgrade for G2. But when I read some of the threads here they talk about the camera being too slow and not good for indoor. I also read the thread about the Xdabbeb Mod and it seems promising but some folks in that same thread say that even after updating with that Mod the camera is still not that good.
So here I'm, so confused now knowing if I should get G2 or not. What's your opinion on G2's Camera? Again I'm looking for a decent camera that could take good pictures like my Lumia 920 whether indoor or outdoor. Any help is greatly appreciated.
(I'm sorry about the long post and for the wrong techy terms that I might have used here)
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G2 camera is excellent in my opinion. I never had a problem with it or had to install a modded camera on it. I didn't really use it but when I did the pictures were crisp & clear. I'm running AOSP now and the camera is still performing well. It all depends on what you want to use it for. The mods that you mentioned are great and if you ever have problems with the G2 camera flashing one of them will solve it. :victory:
It's exactly like what you've read. Shots with plenty of lighting are fantastic and stunning. Shots with lower lighting (as in indoors) are terrible with the stock camera--it takes way too long to take a shot after you hit the shutter button, as in 5 seconds sometimes. So if you have a moving target, you will miss the moment, or get a blurry mess.
Plus, the denoising algorithm is terrible. Detail on low light shots get lost and people's faces often look like a watercolor painting and unrealistic. Camera mods like xdabebb's help quite a bit, but still the camera has a lot to be desired.
Coming from the Lumia, you will be VERY disappointed.
beezar said:
Coming from the Lumia, you will be VERY disappointed.
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yes he will, but compared to other android phones it is one of the best cameras available, for the next 2-3 months or so. there are some pretty saucy rumors about the s5 camera though.
I used to have an HTC One before picking up the LG G2 earlier this month and it had a great camera. Until it started malfunctioning with the purple/blue/pink tint issue. The low light performance was awesome and the audio recording was the best I've had on a phone due to the dual microphones that it had. I haven't really had a chance to test out the G2's camera much but it's been alright so far. Just disappointed in the low light and microphone performance. The G2 does capture a lot more details with more accurate colors in normal conditions because of the higher megapixel count though.
These are really the only pictures I took to compare the two cameras before I sent in my HTC One to my insurance company:
http://imgur.com/a/OJlTa
Here are some photos I took with my HTC One before the sensor went bad:
http://imgur.com/a/9lRiz
The camera in decent light and with still objects is great. Like others have said, it doesn't do too well in low light conditions or with moving objects. I would expect that with the speed in which the phone takes pictures, that it would do much better with moving objects but you do get a blurry mess. It's a fantastic phone in every other regard, however, the camera could use some improvement.
I love the G2's camera. If you don't think it takes good photos, just look at these. None of these are edited, and straight from the camera. Photobucket reduces the quality a bit as well.
Thanks everyone. So it looks like I can't get pictures as good as the ones I get in my 920 but it seems I can still get decent pictures. I think that should be enough for me. I'm not looking for digital camera quality pictures but just the ability to capture good moments and share it with others. As long as those pictures are not bad I should be ok with that (yes, I'm convincing myself! ).
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I love the G2's camera. If you don't think it takes good photos, just look at these. None of these are edited, and straight from the camera. Photobucket reduces the quality a bit as well.
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Those are nice pictures. Were they taken using a camera MOD?
ratibars said:
Thanks everyone. So it looks like I can't get pictures as good as the ones I get in my 920 but it seems I can still get decent pictures. I think that should be enough for me. I'm not looking for digital camera quality pictures but just the ability to capture good moments and share it with others. As long as those pictures are not bad I should be ok with that (yes, I'm convincing myself! ).
Those are nice pictures. Were they taken using a camera MOD?
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A mix really, some with the stock LG camera, some using the AOSP camera, and some using the 1.5.0 camera mod.
Front-facing Camera
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LG G3 vs Samsung Galaxy S5 Camera
Magic Focus Feature
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Small G3 camera shootout:
First LG G3 samples get compared with the Galaxy S5, One M8, Note 3, and iPhone 5s
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Very good
Good.
crappy audio noise cancellation
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crappy audio noise cancellation
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yes I wonder if they haven't finalized their software for it or if you should only turn it on in certain situations or what.
Anyways, I haven't seen many videos but here's one that shows the super steady and well exposed video the G3 can shoot, along with no audio issues. Pretty impressive for indoors video so far:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffz71YW02lM
Looking good, the audio cancellation issues aren't great, but I hope it is software related somehow. I really dig the "magic focus" feature. Much better implementation than HTC.
The real question is if they have improved the camera in low-light conditions with moving objects. The LG G2 stock camera suffered BADLY in trying to shoot pictures of moving objects in low light conditions.
In addition, the stock G2 camera denoising algorithm was way too aggressive leading to watercolor-like pictures, again especially in low-light.
Glad they tried to address the slow focus issue with the G2 by implementing laser focus.
here are some samples
http://www.androidcentral.com/lg-g3-initial-photo-and-video-samples
hello00 said:
here are some samples
http://www.androidcentral.com/lg-g3-initial-photo-and-video-samples
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It looks good
I wonder how it performs against Z2
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The real question is if they have improved the camera in low-light conditions with moving objects. The LG G2 stock camera suffered BADLY in trying to shoot pictures of moving objects in low light conditions.
In addition, the stock G2 camera denoising algorithm was way too aggressive leading to watercolor-like pictures, again especially in low-light.
Glad they tried to address the slow focus issue with the G2 by implementing laser focus.
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Photographer here -- unfortunately, in low light with ANY smartphone you'll have difficulty capturing a moving object. With low light, you require a longer shutter speed, and depending on how fast the object is moving, you're guaranteed to have blur. Whether your phone is hand held or on a tripod does not matter -- the motion is relative to the camera, not the camera itself.
In low light to be able to effectively capture a moving object with no blur you will need a large sensor camera (e.g. DSLR APS-C or m4/3) and fast (large aperture) lens. Smartphones have small sensors and can't capture as much light which therefore requires lengthening the shutter speed to allow enough light in to expose the scene properly. Similarly, they can't use higher ISO (sensitivity) to keep the shutter speed short either due to having excessive noise at comparable ISO levels.
The exception to this is a good flash. With a good flash you can use a faster shutter speed and be able to "freeze motion" better. Of course, the flashes on phones are underpowered and will only help you out if you're reasonably close to whatever you're trying to capture.
Just to give some examples, in lower light situations small sensor cameras pretty much have to use a 1/30s or longer shutter speed. Any object that's moving faster than a snail's pace will therefore have blur. On the other hand, with a large sensor camera and fast lens, you can realistically increase your ISO to say 6400 if you have a fast moving object and set your shutter speed to 1/200s and fire away.
Another issue is that we really don't have effective control over shutter speed on smartphones. Hopefully this will come eventually with Android's new API (along with RAW support). Sure, most people don't know how to shoot in manual mode but for those who do it's very helpful. I believe many phone manufacturers include a "sports" or "action" mode that will prioritize shutter speed over ISO (and no idea if the G2 has a similar mode), but still there's only so much it can do with a small sensor in a situation where the physics just aren't in its favor. Smartphones are great in good light, but if low light is a priority, a dedicated camera is the only solution.
thx for all that info KLMD, really helpful and easy to understand! cheers bud
Of course, glad to hear it was understandable.
With all that said, what do I think of the G3's camera so far? Well first off, OIS is critical when you're not shooting outdoors and not using a tripod (due to the shutter speeds as I explained above). No other Android flagship has OIS which is quite a shame, so based on that the G3 is already starting ahead of the pack. The benefit of this is clearly demonstrated in PhoneArena's samples compared to the Galaxy S5. Due to the indoor lighting, the S5's shots appear to lack detail because of the blur induced by a long shutter speed that's not stabilized optically. Meanwhile, the G3's are tack sharp. Their samples are more of a "real world" demonstration compared to many smartphone camera reviews where they have the indoors shots stabilized on a tripod. Having the phones on a tripod eliminates the reviewer's shaky hands from affecting results, but it also hides the necessity of OIS for low light photos. 99% of the time we're not using a tripod with our smartphones.
From samples I've seen so far, LG appears to have gotten their software processing down pretty well -- way better than the G2. White balance and exposure seem to be handled well, and photos seem to have better saturation than the G2.
The G3 also appears to have a wider angle lens than the S5, and I appreciate that its sensor is 4:3 rather than 16:9. 16:9 may fill up your entire screen when framing the shot, but if shooting in landscape mode you're really losing out on vertical height (and vice versa if oriented in portrait you're not getting much horizontally). The G3 without a doubt fits more into the frame due to both the lens angle and 4:3 aspect ratio.
With the OIS and good software processing, at this point the G3's camera looks to be the most promising of any Android device. I'll wait for more samples to make a firm conclusion, but again, the G3 is more compelling than anything else right now.
Edit: correction the Nexus 5 also has OIS, but of course it's also made by LG
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Edit: correction the Nexus 5 also has OIS, but of course it's also made by LG
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HTC One M7 also has it, M8 lost it coz it didnt play well with the duo camera setup apparently.
My view on G3,Sorry to break ice about camera but here are facts :
1. There is no laser in g3 but laserish IR light that gets detected by camera to focus for near objects.
2. No practical use in daylight.
3. Useless to detect & focus on far objects - let's check when reviews comes for range. Depends on how powerful ir included.
4. Same camera hardware except Lewis software promotion.
These are simple practical physics facts of camera working.
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NaveenKumarXDA said:
My view on G3,Sorry to break ice about camera but here are facts :
1. There is no laser in g3 but laserish IR light that gets detected by camera to focus for near objects.
2. No practical use in daylight.
3. Useless to detect & focus on far objects - let's check when reviews comes for range. Depends on how powerful ir included.
4. Same camera hardware except Lewis software promotion.
These are simple practical physics facts of camera working.
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Just info share no offense [emoji89]
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what did u think it had? a laser from a gun
hello00 said:
what did u think it had? a laser from a gun
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Yes
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Any confirmation of 1080p60?
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Any confirmation of 1080p60?
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Yes. Its already in the G2 also, so pretty obvious to be in G3.
Ohhhhooo
hello00 said:
what did u think it had? a laser from a gun
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Yes Sir, I thought "Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Light" but not the case Here. Hence a Lie.
The lg g2 camera is wxtremely slow any ideas on how to get the best of this camera????
This day with my iphone friend compared the camera, they're both excellent in outdoors conditions but in low light or indoors ahahahah.
My g2 camera lags a lot and produce some little little "dots" but the iphone's have high FPS and the the're were no dots...
Why i mean in a good phone put a good camera because today a good smartphone has a good coamera,it can't replace the reflex but is good to have a good one...
Sorry for my bad english.
Don't say put a modded camera because i know the photos are progressivly darker so.....PLS help me.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g2/help
try this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2548974
Hi!
I bought Lg G4 very much for its camera, but my Nexus 6 still takes better pictures...........
First pic is from g4 and second is from Nexus 6. G4 is picking up sunlight and making pictures to bright......very dissapointed.
They look about the same to me. Try some different shots I guess.
I am quite impressed with G4 camera, beats the S6 edge and Priv we have.
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They look about the same to me. Try some different shots I guess.
I am quite impressed with G4 camera, beats the S6 edge and Priv we have.
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You can see the sunbeam on the back of the chair on the G4.
Here is two other examples. First one from Nexus 6, second one from G4. Nexus 6 pic is much more vivid and clear, LG G4 is to bright and catches all sunlight on the picture,
Ohh yah I see it there. Have you tried dark shots with out sun light.
I don't have a Nexus 6 to compare but I do wonder if maybe you got a bad camera on a G4 (if that is possible).
Are you on the latest version too, M?
It may make a difference where you touch to focus too.
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You can see the sunbeam on the back of the chair on the G4.
Here is two other examples. First one from Nexus 6, second one from G4. Nexus 6 pic is much more vivid and clear, LG G4 is to bright and catches all sunlight on the picture,
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This is just different focus points. G4 has laser focus and probably focuses on another area. Indoor pictures are crap anyway especially when shot against bright windows.
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Ohh yah I see it there. Have you tried dark shots with out sun light.
I don't have a Nexus 6 to compare but I do wonder if maybe you got a bad camera on a G4 (if that is possible).
Are you on the latest version too, M?
It may make a difference where you touch to focus too.
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Yes i am on Marshmallow. Still picks up every sunbeam there is, doesent matter where I focus. Here is another example. The sunbeam looks like a white mark across the picture, my Nexus 6 does not pick up that at all
see if this help:
clean the camera lens, then take a shot;
i have my G4 for 3 weeks and i love photography ! i have photos that make me say WT...lolololol
exemples:
https://goo.gl/photos/1guniv2cwdW3vBx9A
https://goo.gl/photos/CMxKBp5KfnUeVndN6
https://goo.gl/photos/FkYgDs6A2dQiTNjD7
all in manual mode
You have full manual controls with RAW capability. Regardless of how auto works, tweaking manual settings will produce far better shots than the Nexus 6 would ever be capable of producing.
Now for the helpful less "fan boy sounding" response: LG tend to blow out highlights in the background to produce a proper exposure for the main subject.
Even the G5 looks like this will be the case, as sampled here
Personally, I think Samsung nailed the auto camera experience with the S6 generation phones. LG have more capability, but it's lessened by the fact most users are not photographers.
Kind of looking forward to the S7 for this reason, it brings back all the features I couldn't tolerate losing with the S6 and enhances the camera even more.
To fix your problem (particularly in environments like your photos)
Turn the brightness up to about 80% with auto brightness disabled
Switch to manual in the camera
Keep everything auto, but fiddle with ISO and exposure time.
Keep the ISO as low as possible while making sure you can take a photo without motion blur from hand shakes (1/30 is as slow as I go usually)
When it looks right on screen, take the shot.
If in doubt and you're feeling technogically empowered, enable RAW.
Happy snapping
Your shooting scene is a difficult one. Play with Manual. The G4 camera is plain excellent. Ecstatic even.
If you want to record a video you are doomed, no manual mode there. Enjoy massive overexposure and over saturated colors. And the retarded ois of course...
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Night shots are amazing. I took this one without flash in Netherlands. The best thing is it was with auto mode. In my opinion better camera than any other smarts.
http://i.imgur.com/lO18AzQ.jpg
Thanks all for your replies. Its going back. I want a phone with a camera who can take ok pictures without having to fiddle with manual settings. I am no photographer and have no interest in changing settings for every scenario.
İ thing ur LG g4's camera has some problem cause i also used h815 and right now h818p mine was not like that bad u can look my photo's from the link
Edit I'm not photographer also it's really easy to learn manual settings just try but automatic also not bad
https://drive.google.com/folder/d/0B0YMxD-WRGRoVnNudThXN01Fcms/edit
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Night shots are amazing. I took this one without flash in Netherlands. The best thing is it was with auto mode. In my opinion better camera than any other smarts.
http://i.imgur.com/lO18AzQ.jpg
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Good shot is it automatic or Manuel if Manuel than if u was try to ISO 50 and 4second exposure u can get gread pics u can also check my photos if u want
I went through my gallery to check indoor pictures. Definitely a faulty unit/optics/glass you have there, did not notice the same effect here.
Maybe you (OP) are looking at it from a wrong angle. I think the G4 camera just records what is sees. It's not its fault that there are sun rays. On the other hand, the N6 doesn't capture what there really is. Besides, the net is full of tutorials how to catch sunbeams. With G4 you get it out of the box.
This must be a problem with dirt on the lens or the protective glass, nothing to do with the camera, the camera is awesome. Could even be on the inside so it might be hard to remove without disassembling the phone.
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If you want to record a video you are doomed, no manual mode there. Enjoy massive overexposure and over saturated colors. And the retarded ois of course...
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Yeah the OIS is frankly terrible. I don't take any video with my G4 because of it.
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This must be a problem with dirt on the lens or the protective glass, nothing to do with the camera, the camera is awesome. Could even be on the inside so it might be hard to remove without disassembling the phone.
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Yep, looks to me like the lens had a smear or something on it.
I have 505 serial dual h818N. Having a vignette effect when on 60 fps mode. Some users reported that they have no issue like mine. Ois is terrible on my device IMHO.
KoRoZIV said:
If you want to record a video you are doomed, no manual mode there. Enjoy massive overexposure and over saturated colors. And the retarded ois of course...
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I just own the G4 and I have to say hat video quality exposure and all that stuff its the best. maybe you need to learn a bit on how to use a proper camera.