Hey, guys (and gals):
I posted this in the thread about the z4Root application, but didn't get an answer. It's kind of a general question anyway.
I'm totally interested in Rooting my Vibrant (using z4Root or some other one-click application based method), installing lag fix, and wifi tethering. That's it. I'm just worried that when 2.2 is pushed out to us, I won't be able to get the OTA. Does anyone know if the system is left intact enough by these methods to allow me to receive an OTA? Otherwise I might just suffer with what I have and wait a while. Also, anyone know if I can easily unroot using these methods if that is what is needed to receive an official OTA?
I'm not a total noob to rooting. I had an original MT3G, and rooted that one, flashed roms, etc, and even restored to stock before selling on eBay.
Thanks.
I'm pretty sure if you are rooted with stock rom you will receive OTA updates. If you flash a rom though you will not receive updates.
And yes, you can one click unroot with Z4Root if need be.
Pretty sure is good, but I was hoping for something definite. I don't plan on flashing ROMs, just rooting, applying lag fix, and then maybe wifi tethering/minor overclocking.
This is directly from the sticky post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=732458
IF I ROOT, WILL I GET OTA UPDATES?
Yes. Rooting will not prevent this, unless you flash a custom ROM that will block receiving the OTA update. Typically, accepting an OTA will make you lose root. Some upgrading to JI6 state they didn't lose root, I did (using ODIN), but gaining root back is so easy.
So basically yep you'll get OTA's and then you can root again.
Awesome. It seems like there's always a sticky or previous post that answers my question. I appreciate your patience in not just douche-ily linking to it and telling me to search better. I'm thinking I'm going to root today.
Any idea on which lag fix is the easiest/best, if you've already done it?
jakemg said:
Awesome. It seems like there's always a sticky or previous post that answers my question. I appreciate your patience in not just douche-ily linking to it and telling me to search better. I'm thinking I'm going to root today.
Any idea on which lag fix is the easiest/best, if you've already done it?
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Stick with RyanZA's one click lag fix from the market. It's pretty hard to mess up your phone with his fix.
Thanks. I plan to use his root and lagfix, then.
But you must get rid of the lag fix prior to update.. root is fine but not the lag fix though afaik..
go here and do this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=833024
Even if you don't get OTA (which you should), you can always use Kies/Kies Mini to update. I use Kies/Kies Mini anyway because I hate waiting until the OTA is pushed to my particular handset.
Ms_Vibrant said:
But you must get rid of the lag fix prior to update.. root is fine but not the lag fix though afaik..
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This is true... Ryanz lag fix is an EXT2 type and the OTA's seem to look for the stock rfs system. So undo the lag fix, but you don't have to unroot.
RyanZa's OCLF is the way to go as already mentioned.
Yeah, I try not to be "douchey", it's not so fresh when you do that... lol!
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Will Unlocking + ROOTing my Nexus One prevent me from recieving future OTA updates from Google or no?
If you have a rooted G1 (reading your sig) wouldn't the answer be self explanatory?
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If you have a rooted G1 (reading your sig) wouldn't the answer be self explanatory?
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Did you even read my question?
What does my Sig have to do with my question?
I have a Nexus One and I don't want to miss future updates, such as "Adobe Flash" which is a proprietary app and I don't want to miss out.
If you install ROMs, I assumed you would know that you cannot receive OTA updates anymore. Which I'm sure you do. I don't know personally if rooting your phone, and still using the stock system will disable you from receiving OTA updates. So I'm not of use here. Don't know why I posted here myself lol. Thanks for the harshly toned text ._.
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If you install ROMs, I assumed you would know that you cannot receive OTA updates anymore. Which I'm sure you do. I don't know personally if rooting your phone, and still using the stock system will disable you from receiving OTA updates. So I'm not of use here. Don't know why I posted here myself lol. Thanks for the harshly toned text ._.
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kthanx. I think.
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Will Unlocking + ROOTing my Nexus One prevent me from recieving future OTA updates from Google or no?
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i'm also interested in this question. i would like to root my n1, but i would also like to receive OTA updates from google. i don't plan on installing a custom ROM, just use stock and root for the purpose of wifi tether and a few other root apps. anyone?
I am wondering this as well. I installed the bacon addon from cyanogen and don't want to screw myself out of the ota updates.
Thanks.
You can't have everything people. Pick one. If you need to revert back, I wrote a tutorial.
Chances are you are going to see the updates here first. You guys should know that already unless you are one of those people that come in here, download an update and leave for a few months and recheck to see if there are any other updates.
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You can't have everything people. Pick one. If you need to revert back, I wrote a tutorial.
Chances are you are going to see the updates here first. You guys should know that already unless you are one of those people that come in here, download an update and leave for a few months and recheck to see if there are any other updates.
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Sorry, I'm not referring to running a custom ROM. I just want to know if i unlock and ROOT but, keep the original ROM, will I still get the OTA updates or no? So, if anyone knows, I'd gratefully appreciate it.
As far as I understand, as long as you're using the stock, signed Nexus One ROM, nothing would change that would prevent you from receiving OTA updates.
I'm not positive.
The reason custom ROMs do not get OTA updates is because they have the files for them removed, and in the case of the G1, the partition used for doing those is removed if you have the DangerSPL.
Simply rooting and keeping stock should allow you to OTA update still no problem, but like was already pointed out, the updates will be on here befor they are released OTA, and a good cooked ROM is 10times better than the stock.
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The reason custom ROMs do not get OTA updates is because they have the files for them removed, and in the case of the G1, the partition used for doing those is removed if you have the DangerSPL.
Simply rooting and keeping stock should allow you to OTA update still no problem, but like was already pointed out, the updates will be on here befor they are released OTA, and a good cooked ROM is 10times better than the stock.
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Thank you.
flomid said:
i'm also interested in this question. i would like to root my n1, but i would also like to receive OTA updates from google. i don't plan on installing a custom ROM, just use stock and root for the purpose of wifi tether and a few other root apps. anyone?
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If you do root and want your wifi to work you have to flash a rom i think, i rooted and didnt plan on flashing a rom but had to to get the wifi working.
did u root with superboot over a modaco, as i had no probs with wifi, after i rooted.
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Will Unlocking + ROOTing my Nexus One prevent me from recieving future OTA updates from Google or no?
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Why does this matter??????????????
If you rooted, you'd get the OTA updates faster than OTA people!!!!!!!!!!!
I have a 100% stock, un-rooted N1. I didn't get the OTA update within the first day, so I did it manually anyway.
What is the point of fearing that you'll miss out on OTA updates??? With root, that should be your *LAST* concern.
BTW guaranteed you will get Flash sooner with a rooted phone than without!
These threads make no sense whatsoever.
Newbie question - I had installed unRevoked last week on my stock EVO to try out the wi-fi tether app. My device does not seem to have recieved the update today. Shouldn't I be able to force it through Settings --> System Updates --> HTC Software update ??
Or does the fact that I have unRevoked block it?
I tried uninstalling unRevoked, but it still looks like I can't force the update?
Any ideas?
You will loose root if you apply it.
https://twitter.com/unrevoked
Worse yet if you accidentally apply twice you brick your phone.
Can't get the update?
Thanks - I was less worried about not being able to unRevoke - what has me worried is I can't seem to force the update and I haven't gotten any message that it's available?
I think it is a rollout update. Wait it out.
a question
I've been following the 'how to gain root access after OTA' thread and have a question, but they don't want people posting anything not DIRECTLY RELATED to hacking after OTA there anymore. So, I will try this question here. Here goes :
I have NOT done the 1.47.651 June 29 OTA update, I keep refusing it. My Evo is essentially stock (no rooting, no unrevoked, etc. ) I would like to know if I can run unrevoked since I haven't done the OTA. also, would like to know if I can do the OTA and STILL run unrevoked. Or do I need unrevoked2?
I've been to unrevoked Twitter page and unrevoked docu.wiki and see some information, (but not enough for someone new to Android like myself), and no way to ask/post questions directly. So, I am trying here. My main interest isn't even so much root, it's that I want to be able to tether via USB without having to use extra software like PDAnet.
Any help or a point in the right direction, much thanks.
Scott
scottspa74 said:
I would like to know if I can run unrevoked since I haven't done the OTA.
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Yes.
scottspa74 said:
also, would like to know if I can do the OTA and STILL run unrevoked.
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No.
scottspa74 said:
Or do I need unrevoked2?
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You need to use unrevoked2 and use their modified OTA which will give you the benefits and maintain root. If you install the official OTA at any point, you will lose the ability to root, period (until someone figures out a new way to do it )
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Yes.
No.
You need to use unrevoked2 and use their modified OTA which will give you the benefits and maintain root. If you install the official OTA at any point, you will lose the ability to root, period (until someone figures out a new way to do it )
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Thank you. You even broke it into separate questions. last clarification, I promise: with no OTA I CAN use unrevoked1 and that doesn't break 4G/not what's being blamed for breaking 4G?
I'm not too concerned with most of the root features, I just wanna be able to tether, so I'm thinking unrevoked1 would be good enough for me, (if It's not what's responsible for breaking 4G on non-updated devices)
Thanks again.
Once rooted, even if running the stock ROM with su permissions, will I be able to even receive OTA updates (Froyo)? Or be solely responsible for flashing the firmware myself? Had a G1 before this but I ended up rooting it after all the updates to 1.6 had been sent out, so I'm unfamiliar how the world of rooting and OTA's collide. I would prefer to do as little modding as possible, even though my vibrant is much more of a high end phone than the G1, it got to a point where I was constantly flashing my phone with new mods and hacks and roms, and it got kind of frustrating having little things wrong here and there. I got my adfree so far, thats enough to make me happy for now.
joe.kerwin said:
Once rooted, even if running the stock ROM with su permissions, will I be able to even receive OTA updates (Froyo)? Or be solely responsible for flashing the firmware myself? Had a G1 before this but I ended up rooting it after all the updates to 1.6 had been sent out, so I'm unfamiliar how the world of rooting and OTA's collide. I would prefer to do as little modding as possible, even though my vibrant is much more of a high end phone than the G1, it got to a point where I was constantly flashing my phone with new mods and hacks and roms, and it got kind of frustrating having little things wrong here and there. I got my adfree so far, thats enough to make me happy for now.
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I'm sure right before the update becomes available you'll hear about it and you can always unroot ...
if you install the OTA, you will download the OTA (which is a NON ROOTED update) therefore making your phone get UNROOTED. now, you WANT do avoid installing the OTA's because they will unroot you, but since you aren't running a custom rom on your phone, you WILL get the OTA from t-mobile, you just have to force urself to DECLINE the install (if you want to keep root) you can update to the OTA release if you want to get rid of root, but if you wait a couple days, someone will have hacked a rooted version of the update.
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if you install the OTA, you will download the OTA (which is a NON ROOTED update) therefore making your phone get UNROOTED. now, you WANT do avoid installing the OTA's because they will unroot you, but since you aren't running a custom rom on your phone, you WILL get the OTA from t-mobile, you just have to force urself to DECLINE the install (if you want to keep root) you can update to the OTA release if you want to get rid of root, but if you wait a couple days, someone will have hacked a rooted version of the update.
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or you can just re-root...correct?
most of the time when an ota update comes out they patch the exploit used to root... this probably will not happen with the galaxy s series phones... 1)Samsung intends to sell 10 million of these phones... 2)It wasnt an exploit, it was left open to begin with
I'm not even sure if T-mobile cares. They allow their customers to post information about rooting their phones on their own forum.
I would post the link but I'm not allowed until my account has been verified.
oh lol, the way i worded my post was inferring that the new update would have "patched" the way to get root, but your responses make me think otherwise lol.
Better safe than sorry if Root is important to you. Wait for a guinea pig to update and verify if root is still an option or not.....
I was wondering the same thing too, but I have deleted most of the bloat ware that came with the brand. So after the ota and unroot, will these programs be reinstalled?
And if I did a factory reset would it restore the bloat ware and unroot the phone?
I got my adfree so far, thats enough to make me happy for now.[/QUOTE]
Is add free really that important? If you don't want a 3mm bar on your screen buy the app. I click the add every time I open an app that is free. If you don't then all the dev will make apple apps... Just kind of selfish if you where to ask me.
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Not like we're getting an update ever. =|
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bauerlucas said:
Just kind of selfish if you where to ask me.
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He didn't ask you.
disturkis4u said:
Not like we're getting an update ever. =|
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Looks like this is the case for the moment. Maybe we will see something soon though, but I still would like to know about my questions.
Charles Sloan said:
I was wondering the same thing too, but I have deleted most of the bloat ware that came with the brand. So after the ota and unroot, will these programs be reinstalled?
And if I did a factory reset would it restore the bloat ware and unroot the phone?
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Rather then making another thread about this, id just like to ask it here.
i know this has been asked about a million times, but i need to make in a million and one.
im rooted, clockwork recovery, mobile ap installed, and JAC kernel. I do not have any custom roms installed. Because of the custom kernel, im guessing that will keep me from receiving OTA?
I recently aquired the Vibrant and all I have to say is OMG this is a fnatastic phone. it blows my cliq, cliq xt, and g1 out of the water.
Anywho, the one question I have now that my phone is rooted and has the clockworkmod recovery is when the 2.2 update releases around september-ish, will this effect the phone being able to update like it did for the cliq, or will i be able to flash 2.2 from root and just lose root. i would be ok with it at that point because 2.2 takes care of all the issues that i have with 2.1 update1. the only reason i know this is because i have 2.2 on the g1 and its amazing. any thlughts on the matter?
once rooted on this phone, you have to wait for one of the devs to dump a 2.2 flashable rom to get the update. This is why I am gladly waiting to get the ota before considering rooting. I love the phone as it is.
chucky80 said:
once rooted on this phone, you have to wait for one of the devs to dump a 2.2 flashable rom to get the update. This is why I am gladly waiting to get the ota before considering rooting. I love the phone as it is.
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yeah but I heard that if you just root only, you will be able to get the OTA update as you are still using the stock ROM. But if you are using a modified dev ROM, then yeah it will not auto update.
Can anyone confirm this?
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yeah but I heard that if you just root only, you will be able to get the OTA update as you are still using the stock ROM. But if you are using a modified dev ROM, then yeah it will not auto update.
Can anyone confirm this?
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Yes this is the case, if all you do is root the phone, you will still get Tmobile updates. You might lose root, but as was pointed out in a similar thread, Samsung doesn't seem to care about locking things up, so you should be able to root again easily.
ok so its more in line with what the g1 used to do if you didnt go onto a modified rom. with the cliq, even if you root and are on the stock rom, you still cant load the ota update because it fails when you try to load it once downloaded. i dont mind losing root once 2.2 comes out, i just want to make sure i can get it. i was thinking of going back to stock without root, but i'm having some trouble getting the phone in download mode
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Yes this is the case, if all you do is root the phone, you will still get Tmobile updates. You might lose root, but as was pointed out in a similar thread, Samsung doesn't seem to care about locking things up, so you should be able to root again easily.
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Thanks for the input. Has this been the case for any other phone? Where rooting only will still get you OTA updates, or is this a theory?
Thanks~
The latest 3.2.1 update is pissing me off, I figured I'd do it, then re-root and -enable adhoc support, which is all I care about as far as needing root for. Now I realize the root for the latest will cause me to reload the entire setup/apps and think it sucks.
So, what is so dang important in these updates to start with?
It was up to you whether you applied the OTA update. You didn't have to. Caveat Emptor!
That wasn't addressing the question asked.
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That wasn't addressing the question asked.
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The question seemed rhetorical coming from someone that took a 3.2.1 update expecting to maintain root.
Next time use this to maintain root through OTA:
https://market.android.com/details?id=org.projectvoodoo.otarootkeeper
kjy2010 said:
The question seemed rhetorical coming from someone that took a 3.2.1 update expecting to maintain root.
Next time use this to maintain root through OTA:
https://market.android.com/details?id=org.projectvoodoo.otarootkeeper
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The question was not rhetorical. I did not mean to allow it to update, it was done by accident when clearing notifications.
Thanks for the link, if it works I'll do it.
BBAHunter said:
The latest 3.2.1 update is pissing me off, I figured I'd do it, then re-root and -enable adhoc support, which is all I care about as far as needing root for. Now I realize the root for the latest will cause me to reload the entire setup/apps and think it sucks.
So, what is so dang important in these updates to start with?
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Heh, I feel your pain, but I think you're overlooking the bigger picture.
If you're already on these forums, and have rooted your device, OTA's are a bit of a non-issue. (personally I think they're over-rated) Grab a custom rom and have at 'er.
Also reloading setups/apps is a pain in the arse but you'll likely have heard a dozen times or more to use TitaniumBackup, it does help so you don't have to redownload all of your apps after an update, or rooting, or installing a custom rom.